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JonoW
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Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay
      #2588643 - 08/18/08 03:01 PM

I've just seen the above binocular listed on an ebay shop in the UK and was wondering if anyone has any experience with this company in the 25x100 size or maybe their clones in the USA.
The blurb in the advert goes on to state they will take 1.25" filters to enhance viewing,though they do come with FMC optics.
Is this company new to taking on the idea of adding filters to binos or does anyone add 1.25" OIII,UHC filters etc to their binocular eyepieces.
I'm guessing the filters screw onto the eyepiece or is their some eyepiece removal having to take place and attaching the filter in the standard way prior to fitting as per a telescope focuser.
I could see that this may cause problems with dust/moisture getting into the binocular.
Overall they certainly seem to be claiming a lot and in the UK are about the going rate for Chinese made bins in the 25x100 bracket.
Anyone care to comment.
Thanks
Jon
Heres the advert.
25x100 on Ebay

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Carl Zeiss Jena "Jenoptem" 10x50mm W ('88 model)
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2588853 - 08/18/08 04:51 PM

Quote:


Anyone care to comment.
Thanks
Jon





COMMENT: Don't waste your money.

Also, look for my PM at the top of the page next to your name.

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Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Edited by hallelujah (08/18/08 04:56 PM)


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: hallelujah]
      #2588870 - 08/18/08 04:59 PM

JonoW ,

I will second the advice above , although obviously I've no idea what additional information is contained in Stan's PM.

Clear skies ( and thoughts )
Kenny

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Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2588889 - 08/18/08 05:06 PM

Kenny,

Did you like it?

Stan

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Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: hallelujah]
      #2588903 - 08/18/08 05:12 PM

See my PM , Stan ! :-) LOL :-)

Kenny

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
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Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2588913 - 08/18/08 05:21 PM

I apologize, but, I just HAD to borrow your 'nickname' for the Zhu---- brand name.

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Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Edited by hallelujah (08/18/08 05:27 PM)


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: hallelujah]
      #2589024 - 08/18/08 06:15 PM

Thanks for that PM Stan and link to the reviews.Some reviewers are saying its 50-50 on what sort of pair you could end up with, not good at all when purchasing optical eqpt.so another Giant bino company to pass on should the urge for 25x100 or bigger come my way.
The best comment in the reviews was "R&D must be done by a 4 year old."

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589036 - 08/18/08 06:21 PM

I quite like my Zhumell 20x80 that were $70 shipped. However, I'd only consider getting another Zhumell binocular if there was a liberal return policy. Another local astronomer got his set of Zhumell binos and they were trash.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589044 - 08/18/08 06:22 PM

50-50 means that one half of it is O.K. and the other half is not O.K.
Save up your money and buy something that is better than a roll of the dice.

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Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589047 - 08/18/08 06:24 PM

Based on the experiences documented in that thread , 50 / 50 appears a trifle optimistic by my reckoning !

The plain truth about these cheap binoculars is that even if you get " a good 'un " , it's not really all THAT good , compared with REALLY good binoculars .

Kenny

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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton





Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589055 - 08/18/08 06:28 PM

I like the set I own. I know what good optics are. These are good.

The best binocular is the one you use.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589059 - 08/18/08 06:30 PM

Kenny,

At least the guy whose bincoular broke had two very nice? 25x100mm monoculars.

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Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Edited by hallelujah (08/18/08 06:31 PM)


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Nick Lloyd]
      #2589068 - 08/18/08 06:33 PM

< The best binocular is the one you use. >

I've seen that statement banded about for years now .

Personally , I don't agree with it .

I own several binoculars , but don't always use what I consider to be the best !

Kenny

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If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton





Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589092 - 08/18/08 06:44 PM

You're definitely right there Kenny.One day, I would hope to at least look through a Giant pair of Fujinons or Miyauchi 20x100 and maybe compare them with 100mm Chinese manufactured ones and then see what optical excellence is.
Until then I'll keep on playing the Lotto I think
Jon

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Opticron DBA 8x42mm (roof prism '03 model)
Carl Zeiss Jena "Jenoptem" 10x50mm W ('88 model)
Pentax 12x50PCF (year n/k)
Strathspey Giant 20x90mm ('08 model)


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589097 - 08/18/08 06:45 PM

Great... another snob.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589117 - 08/18/08 06:54 PM

Quote:

Based on the experiences documented in that thread , 50 / 50 appears a trifle optimistic by my reckoning !





Funny, but I've gotten the impression that zhummell binoculars get a lot more iffy in the quality control department once you hit about 80mm. Before that, they're not perfect by any means, either, but after that point I've seen more bad than good about them.

Quote:


The plain truth about these cheap binoculars is that even if you get " a good 'un " , it's not really all THAT good , compared with REALLY good binoculars .





Sure, but I'm afraid to look through a set of really good binoculars. I couldn't afford them.

Chris

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Nick Lloyd]
      #2589118 - 08/18/08 06:54 PM

Nick just returning KennyJ's post no. #2589047 - 18/08/08 06:24 PM.not his last comment.
In my dreams, it would be great to own a pair of the Japanese models as above,but like most I'll happily use what I currently own, a 20x90 Chinese made pair.
The only and best giant pair I own.
Jon

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Opticron DBA 8x42mm (roof prism '03 model)
Carl Zeiss Jena "Jenoptem" 10x50mm W ('88 model)
Pentax 12x50PCF (year n/k)
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Nick Lloyd]
      #2589164 - 08/18/08 07:10 PM

< Great... another snob. >

Nick ,

I hope , for the sake of your own credibility and repute , that you are NOT suggesting that I am a " snob " !

May I suggest that scrutiny of my 9787 previous posts to these forums would help you to conclude otherwise ?

In any event , I am at a loss as to how you can justify refering to JonoW as a snob , just because he made a statement in agreement with my previous post , asserting that I don't always use my BEST binoculars .

THAT is the truth ! -- and with all due respect , you are not in a position to dispute that .

Neither am I in a position to dispute that you " know good optics " , but what use are good optics when the lenses fall out , or the focus mechanism doesn't work , or when binoculars get knocked out of collimation before they arrive at the customers' destinations ?

Maybe none of these things have happened to YOUR Zhumells , but if your sample is as good as you say it is , it seems your case is the exception rather than the rule .

With GOOD binoculars , I very rarely read or hear about things like that happening to them .

Kenny

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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Nick Lloyd]
      #2589165 - 08/18/08 07:10 PM

I am the other local astronomer Nick is referring to. The 20x80's that came to me were grossly miss collimated..ie two distinct images..I would had to be cross eyed to merge images. They seemed very similar in construction to many others in the same size that I have seen advertised. Along with being miss collimated the right front lens housing was askew probably contribution to the collimation issue. My thinking is that many of these binos originate from the same manufacturer. The difference is how well they are collimated at the factory, and how well they are packaged prior to shipping to prevent damage or a bumpy ride to throwing collimation completely out, and if they are going to a dealer that can inspect for damage, reject damaged goods and collimate if necessary before they get to the consumer. Mine were packaged so inadequately that damage was a forgone conclusion. The original product was probably fine..at the factory. This is the strong point from buying from a reputable dealer like Garrett or Oberwerk. They can insure to the best of their ability that the product you receive was at least inspected and checked out properly. Once in a while, buying direct will pay off, but in my case did not. If I were to buy a generic bino again ..it would be from a reputable dealer. Nick happened to get a very nice pair that throws up great views.
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: bcuddihee]
      #2589201 - 08/18/08 07:31 PM

I'm not referring to JonoW. I was referring to you, KennyJ.

Some Zhumells are garbage, some Zhumells are very usable. This hobby is about observing, or at least it should be. Completely dissing Zhumell binoculars and not allowing exceptions to your perspective is gear-snobbery.

Respect is a two way street. I respect your insight, experience, and 9787 previous posts. I do not respect any kind of gear-snobbery.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589613 - 08/18/08 10:44 PM

Jono,

My personal opinion: If you already own a 20x90 pair that fuinction nicely, don't waste your money on a 25x100 as there isn't all that much difference between them visually. I'd also advise passing up the "Z"s as their quality level is pretty inconsistent (their low price is one tip-off). I don't consider it worth taking the gamble that you'd end up with a good pair.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #2589622 - 08/18/08 10:54 PM

Quote:

Jono,

If you already own a 20x90 pair that fuinction nicely,

Mike Rapchak Jr.




Mike,

Where did you SEE the 20x90mm???
All I found was a 15x70mm on his site.

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Pentax 12x50 PCF WP II FMC & Pentax 16x60 PCF WP FMC &
Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II FMC & Orion 12x63 Mini Giant FMC JAPAN &
SPECTRUM I 20x65 FC JAPAN &
Orion 15x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN & Orion 20x70 Little Giant II FMC JAPAN
Orion 16x80 Giant FMC JAPAN & Orion 30x80 MEGAView FMC JAPAN
Barska 30x80 X-Trail LW FC & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90 FMC
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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: hallelujah]
      #2589758 - 08/19/08 12:26 AM

Hallelujah,

In one of Jono's posts he said that he currently owns a Chinese pair of 20x90s.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: hallelujah]
      #2589765 - 08/19/08 12:32 AM

Oops - maybe I made a mistake here; after re-reading Jono's reply (to Nick) I think he was actually quoting a statement made by Kenny in an earlier post (I know Kenny owns a pair of 20x90s).

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #2589868 - 08/19/08 02:24 AM

That's correct , Mike , I do own some 20 x 90s , which bear the Strathspey logo .

I don't know if it's because I'm a snob , but although , after modifications , I enjoy certain aspects of viewing with them , and relatively speaking , considering these ARE 90mm binoculars , they are not at all expensive , unlike what I have done with Bushnell H20 and Bresser Porros , the combined cost of which was less than a car tankful of diesel , I simply could not bring myself to positively recommend this 20 x 90 model to anyone else .

Kind Regards
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Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589932 - 08/19/08 04:40 AM

Hi Stan/Mike/Kenny and other readers to this thread.Just to clarify a few things.

In my first posting,"Introduction and history to date" when I joined the forum on Sunday,I provided details of my newly purchased and "first light" 20x90mm Strathspey binos,I did previously own a pair of Helios 15x70 amongst others, however its only the 15x70mm bins that are pictured on my "old and discontinued" website, I owned them during a time when I was into sketching but via a 10" scope in a big way.
Unfortunately I am no longer with that broadband provider so can no longer update the site but they agreed not to close it as ~I still have an email account with them via Yahoo.

Mike - Regarding the purchase of 25x100, I dont think it will be something I'll be doing in a hurry, as you rightly say what more extra detail would you see with them visually.At the time of purchase i was more than happy to forego the extra 10mm for a big saving.
Originally I was curious ref the Zhumells as they can accept 1.25" filters.
The next step up in binocular aperture for me, should there ever be one, would be at least 28x110mm that I've spotted on a UK website,these are badged by Helios and I believe named "Apollo".There is also a 20x110mm version.
Binocular "aperture fever" setting in I think.

Kenny shame about your 20x90mm Straths, I would be interested to hear what the problem was.

Anyone wishing to start off a thread on 110mm bins feel free.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: JonoW]
      #2589948 - 08/19/08 05:40 AM

Could I just add a few reminders here.

Please let's not start labeling people. Talk about binoculars, not about people.

I appreciate those who provided first hand experiences here.

Stick to the facts. My advice is let those who DO have first hand experiences answer the thread. If you don't have a first hand knowledge of the product then for all you know you could be perpetrating internet myth. If you want, save your opinion and point to factual comments.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2589949 - 08/19/08 05:40 AM

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That's correct , Mike , I do own some 20 x 90s , which bear the Strathspey logo .

I don't know if it's because I'm a snob , but although , after modifications , I enjoy certain aspects of viewing with them , and relatively speaking , considering these ARE 90mm binoculars , they are not at all expensive , unlike what I have done with Bushnell H20 and Bresser Porros , the combined cost of which was less than a car tankful of diesel , I simply could not bring myself to positively recommend this 20 x 90 model to anyone else .

Kind Regards
Kenny




I own a pair of Bushnell H20 binos.. They do just fine for my scouting out birds.. I've also owned Garret 30x100 binos, which were outstanding.. Maybe not what is high end around here, but for certain applications and certain funding aspects, they fit a nice niche..

Many people use "cheap" stuff everyday and will swear by it.. An Orion reflector is't exactly on par with a Mewlon, but I swear by Orion's products, and respect the company for allowing shleps like me to get into this expensive hobby with quality, sound, affordable gear..

I'm sure a look through a high end pair of binos would be great, but, for what some use them for, it just doesn't justify the cost, especialy if they are satisfied with what they already have..

I think that was the jist of Loyyd's comments, and, frankly, I agree with his assessment..


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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: lowmal]
      #2590624 - 08/19/08 01:08 PM

Just to clarify a few points here .

In the past , I have RECOMMENDED both the Bresser 10 x 50 and Bushnell 8 x 42 H2O Porro to people looking for inexpensive hand - held binoculars , and stick by that advice .

That is why I mentioned them in my above post , precisely in that context , in CONTRAST to my NOT particularly recommending the 20 x 90 so I can only assume that Lowmal missed my point .

I've repeated several times on this forum that for over 30 years , I got by with single - coated 10 x 50s with barely a 5 degree TFOV and next to no eye - relief , and a self - converted 30 x 50 " toy refractor " using eyepieces from a junkyard 10 x 50 binocular .

These are neither the words nor actions of a SNOB whichever definition anyone wishes to choose .

I have not said a lot to this forum about my 20 x 90s , and I have also said very little about the Helios 15 x 70 I've had for many years .

That is because even when I conclude that a model is not what is was cracked up to be according to other , sometimes very experienced users , I am always reluctant to be the bringer of bad news , or open myself up to being mistaken for trying to " bash " any particular manufacturer or model .

A few weeks ago , for very good reasons , I had to send straight back a binocular that would have cost three times as much as the 20 x 90 , which I've seen recommended by several owners , but I refrained from passing comment about at all , as it was clearly both a bad sample and had been damaged in transit .

I did not wish to give that product a bad name just because of those possibilities , but declined the offer of a replacement , as I'd seen enough in the first one to realise it wasn't worth the money IN MY OPINION .

Is it snobbery to assert that an item is not worth the money being asked for it ?

A couple of years ago , I could have written volumes about the weakenesses of a couple of models which I've seen highly praised by others on this forum , but kept my mouth shut about that , too .

Frankly , I wouldn't pay for the delivery only of some of them , let alone pay for the products .

Just to inform Jonow , since he specifically asked about my 20 x 90 , for a start there are glaring reflections from the inside of the chrome coloured ring which attaches the objective cells to the barrels -- poor or complete absence of proper baffling .

The level of CA seen at full aperture in the daytime is alarming -- even worse than with the Helios 15 x 70 -- but I said I'd keep quiet about those , didn't I ? :-)

The 20 x 90s are NOT collimated -- they are conditionally aligned -- for someone with an IPD about 4mm narrower than my own .

The large , chrome - plated knurled thumbscrew that is supposed to tighten onto the central chrome support bar , was cross - threaded upon arrival .

It may as well be removed for what use it is .

The coatings on the objective lenses do not appear to be evenly applied , or particularly effective .

I can recognise my face through the eyepiece reflections .

The exit - pupils are not perfectly round , nor are they a full 4.5mm , as they ought to be .

Yes , I should have sent them back , like I should have sent back the £90 astro eyepiece adaptor from Zeiss , that took 8 months to arrive , and doesn't even do properly what it says it does on the tin -- but I didn't .

Last year , I had an item arrive from another " very expensive brand " manufacturer , which had either clearly not been inspected by anyone before leaving the factory , or was defective -- but no sooner had I so little as hinted at my disappointment on a relevant forum , in a relevant thread , than my post was deleted for " vendor bashing ".

I have written glowing reviews about binoculars which are priced well within the " mid price " range , making a point in one instance of praising the product as being superior in some ways to the only Zeiss binocular I own , which in spirit I'd been waiting more than 35 years to be able to afford to buy .

What can a man do ?

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2590668 - 08/19/08 01:25 PM

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but I refrained from passing comment about at all , as it was clearly both a bad sample and had been damaged in transit .





Wow Kenny. Some guys have all the luck. It wasn't toxic and chemically unstable, too, was it?

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2590887 - 08/19/08 03:28 PM

Kenny
That is really bad news on what you received from Strathspey on the 20x90's. Not to mention some of the other eqpt you've received in the past.
How long ago did you buy the 20x90's, as I can definitely say that for 2008, they must have improved the quality control before shipping,or John the vendor is weeding out the bad ones and returning to manufacturer.
Maybe I got lucky.

Its early days with my pair and I'm still waiting for some clear skies and get out with them again and carry out some more viewing/testing.

For now, there certainly appears to be no glaring issues with them like you've just reported.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2590896 - 08/19/08 03:36 PM

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Just to clarify a few points here .

In the past , I have RECOMMENDED both the Bresser 10 x 50 and Bushnell 8 x 42 H2O Porro to people looking for inexpensive hand - held binoculars , and stick by that advice .

That is why I mentioned them in my above post , precisely in that context , in CONTRAST to my NOT particularly recommending the 20 x 90 so I can only assume that Lowmal missed my point .






Point was missed.. My mistake..

Sorry for any confusion on my part!

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Nick Lloyd]
      #2591250 - 08/19/08 06:08 PM

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However, I'd only consider getting another Zhumell binocular if there was a liberal return policy.




http://www.zhumell.com/returnpolicy.html Most companies only offer a 10 day or 30 day return policy. Zhumell offers 90 days.

http://www.zhumell.com/warranty.html

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: KennyJ]
      #2591565 - 08/19/08 08:21 PM

Kenny,

Not to deliberately prolong this issue, but: You are hardly what I'd consider to be a "snob". You're intelligent, quite knowledgeable - and passionate - about binos and bino viewing. You often provide detailed, thoughtful commentaries - particularly when it comes to equipment with which you've had first-hand experience. Yet you do it in a way that makes it obvious that your experiences and opinions are exactly that: your experiences and OPINIONS.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Zhumell Tachyson 25x100 on Ebay new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #2592115 - 08/20/08 01:21 AM



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