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Ok not sure what reception I am going to get but here goes.
I have just found a pair of Subal Clover 10x50 binoculars. Classic 70's blue coatings and wide field of view. Sharp in the centre and great colour fidelity. It surprises me that some of the famous Japanesemanufacturers have made some very poor binoculars around this era but some obscure names turn out some great instruments.
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Nothing to add as yet but well done Simon for restarting this thread and well done to Glassthrower for starting it in the first place...I was lost for days not being able to get my Vintage 'fix'.
To any body new dig into the forum archive if vintage bins are your thing there is a wealth of information on there which no doubt will soon be added to on this thread.
Not a new pic but a repost cos we like pics on here, hopefully new ones to follow soon.
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Any thoughts on a pair of Zeiss 8 x 32B mc,was using them
on the Moon tonight,quite nice.Sorry no Pics
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What happened?
Simon, how about put a link to the original archived thread in the OP? Is it archived?
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Hi Folks!
Here is a link to the previous thread -
Vintage Binocular Discussion Thread - Part One
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Whats the JB number on the Subal Clovers Simon?
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Jb142 and Je10 Potts
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One to look out for then, it's funny that with some Japanese 'brands' that one of their items is good and another not quite so , case in point my Omiya 8x 30's (JB32) are much better optically than their 10x 50 (JB257) period counterpart though build quality is identical and good.
Obviously (or not) their JB numbers are different.
I really rate my Limer 7X 50's these have no JB number on them just OTC in a lozenge shape on the bottom axle end, optically these are IMHO up to Zeiss standard.
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Quote:
Ok not sure what reception I am going to get but here goes.
I have just found a pair of Subal Clover 10x50 binoculars. Classic 70's blue coatings and wide field of view. Sharp in the centre and great colour fidelity. It surprises me that some of the famous Japanese manufacturers have made some very poor binoculars around this era but some obscure names turn out some great instruments.
Those appear to be the highly recommended WF 10x50 yashica's. I did that without seeing the J code reply first! I'm getting good fast...
I just checked my 7x50 yashicas. Same codes.
Sos I dashes me off to the auction site, all horny for a set of those eyepieces..and there they be. Oh. Not the same eyepieces. The ones on fleabay are the Manon/Mason/Tasco/Yashica/Lisenfeld/AsahiPentax/etc ones. Nice as they may be, I'm 'a gunnin' for those eyepieces.
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Yes that makes sense. The 8x30 Yashicas are the best Japanese 8x30's I own and the 10x50's are great too.
Well spotted KBK, your ahead of me............
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A nice pair of Goerz Neo-Trieder 8X dated 1911 according to seller. Very well made binocular and good optically although soft at the edges.
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Great purchase!
Where did you buy?
few days ago I was following an auction of a very similar but these days I spend too much money and I stopped.
In 1911 it cost 168 Kr
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Simon S
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Ebay purchace Bensi!
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How are the conditions of binoculars?
It is collimated and clean?
If you want the highest quality, You'll have to disassemble a prism at a time, and wash it with water and liquid soap for dishes, putting it back into place and coincide with the screws that push the pads of aluminum that are in contact with the prism.
Just had a sighting of a prism, passes to another, until the end.
This is my advice ....
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Doh! missed the finish of that one due to being away at a conference!!
drat and double drat!
well done Simon...again!
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Simon S
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Well potts they went to the next best home :-)
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Well yes I suppose so!
you're quite right though the build quality on Goerz is extremely good.
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Bensi I had to clean the prisms and internal glass. Love the prism mounting system, easy to collimate.
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An unusual addition to the Swift collection, an early model tied with the company Toko and made in the 1950's. I have a similar model to this , but the Swift name was worth buying alone
Swift/Toko
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You're a great expert of binoculars and I have very little to explain, but ...
The Neo-Trieder was born to civilian use, so it is extremely handy and lightweight, but sturdy enough.
Instead, if you pick the model Helinox, born for the military, you'll see a very similar to binoculars and Zeiss Silvamar and Silvarem, both in size and also in weight (6x30 750g). In fact both the brass and both prisms were increased in size and weight.
Instead, if you pick the model Helinox, born for the military, you'll see a very similar to binoculars and Zeiss Silvama Silvarem, both in size and also in weight (6x30 750g). In fact both the brass and both prisms were increased in size and weight.
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Quote:
Bensi I had to clean the prisms and internal glass. Love the prism mounting system, easy to collimate.
Yes !! Easy and practical system of prism mounting.
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I got a telescope built by the English but 1WW Baush & Lomb of Rochester - USA.
I paid very little but is reduced very badly and now is completely dismantled.
There were water leaks that had soiled limestone two prisms.
Now I have washed and removed the limestone and the eyepieces disassembled and cleaned.
I discovered a different system of collimation, screws hidden in the handle but that push or block the prism in different positions and from what we know today in the latest binoculars.
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one photo of frontal lens
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Ciao Bensi, erano questi un affare di Ebay? I manufatti della trincea WW1 hanno elencato recentemente?
Hi Bensi,
were these an Ebay buy? WW1 trench artefacts listed recently?
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Yes this B&L , I have buy on Ebay.
I don't understand the second question ...
Sorry ...I don't speaking well english.
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after cleaning and collimation....
http://quasar.teoth.it/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=135
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I love your picture of your work table! I see your tools, and the disassembled binoculars. It is encouraging to see how you do the work, and your organization.
Appreciatively,
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Good work Bensi, what are your thoughts on the collimation methods? The prisms are prone to chipping on this model. I am surprised that a service binocular design has such a fragile system for locking fragile glass parts when the chances of them being knocked and dropped is fairly likley.
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Good find ! Collectors heaven.
Got these two 'brand new' Japanese Manon 8x30 and SNS 7x35 binos.
Never used. All original boxs, caps etc.
Both from the late 60's and all in mint condition.
Cost a total of US$60.
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and the SNS
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and last photo
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Collimation system that has this B & L to 1WW me a little surprised, but still works well.
However, the 12 screws in total and by moving the prisms are so many regular and are hidden under the grip of black clay.
I did not find even if I had not opened and removed the binoculars.
Last night I collimated instead a wonderful Voigtlander 9x20 is that instead of 1895-97 coincided with the thickness below the prisms.
But I will talk about another topic.
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A Voigtlander 9x20 prismatic end 800' back to original quality.
Its serial number is only 3791.
I've purchased in a market for old things, which takes place in my city once a month.
Who sold it to me had given him a clean light but was not collimated.
I fell in love immediately because they have been waiting a Voigtlander for my collection.
In two different phases of work, I disassembled and cleaned lenses and prisms earlier, after, eyepieces and prisms rear.
At the end of work are extremely pleased, because this Voigtalnder is a rare example of binoculars that has returned to the original optical performance.
Contrast, sharpness and perfect collimation.
Obviously the only real limitation of this vintage binoculars is the FOV.
Here is the images folder.
http://quasar.teoth.it/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=134
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Wow Besi they look great! The condition looks great considering they are 110 years old.
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I have 4 binoculars are of the same historical period at the end of 1800 '.
Dollond 8x20, Goerz 12x20, Ross 10x20, and that Voigtlander 9x20, but Dollond 8x20 and this Voigtlander are those that are optically perfect and very clean, similar to original state.
The other two are in very good condition but... one point less, optically speaking, because I was not able to clean 100% prisms.
Need the hard way (acid, limestone).
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beautiful, Bensi another good find.
bello, Bensi un altro buon ritrovamento.
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Thank you.
Return to the previous message, because I made a small error in the trial Goerz 12x20.
This afternoon I have rebuilt a comparison between binocular I have mentioned, and Goerz is near the level of cleanliness of the other two (Dollond and Voigtlander) instead and the ROSS that I have to clean up again in the prisms.
There is no hurry ...
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Another surprisingly good performer,Vesper 7x35 J-B241 costing a staggering £4. The internals were very clear apart from a spot of fungus on the oculars and came with the lens caps and a scruffy case. The view is far better than most of my other 7x35's including all the Tasco's and was a real surprise.
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I have a pair of Vesper in the 10x 50 the image etc is pretty good but the build quality is superb, JB113 so
Ito Kogaku Kikai Seisakujo. Inc.
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One of the best Japanese binoculars has got to be the Yashica models. I have already commented on my 10x50's and 8x30's but I have just bought a pair of near mint 7x50's that needed a thin layer of dust removing from the top prisms. These are fully multicoated, all the glass has a blue tint to it including the prism surfaces. Although not as wide as the Jenoptem's and using lower index glass in the prisms, colour and sharpness is close to the latter Zeiss although not as bright mainly due to the inferior coatings and prism quality.
Photo's to follow..
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Years ago, I was able to pick up a WW2 Zeiss Naval 7x50 for $19.95 at the V.V. boutique. More correctly , they are the Zeiss 'Smooth Oculars'. What a beautiful instrument. I am still hoping for a repeat performance.
Today, I went to the local St. Vinnie's and through the front window I could see what looked like a really high quality leather case, with something 'black' on top.
I went in and it's a good job I saw the price label before I could see what they were as I would have collapsed on the spot had I walked into a junk shop and seen some WW2 Leitz 7x50 U-Boat specials for sale. The price was $950, so they had obviously done their homework. No, I didn't buy them, my limit for 'Optical Exotica' is about $100.
Hopefully the little old lady that donated them to the church will not be in the store to see what poor old George's (or maybe Fritz's) binoculars were worth!
Funnily enough, I did carry on to Value Village where they must have had over a dozen binocs for sale, including some very wide angled ones. I should have paid more attention as you guys were just talking about them.
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came to me from Great Britain a really interesting piece.
But I did not think he had a such high quality.
An E. Krauss 6x25 of 1WW gridded eyepiece sx (I will send you a picture of the lattice inside) very compact and lightweight.
Although it is to clean the image and is really very very sharp and contrasted and collimated.
No bag and strap ... but unimportant.
I enclose for now only the picture of the sale, but then send you photographs of very close and left eyepiece.
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Unfortunately, the photo you sent was taken with the phone and then do not ask me too!
I send you a picture of the graticule inside the eyepiece sx.
You notice the black spots at the edges which are small pieces of paint inside the compartment of prisms which came in the eyepiece and rotate with it.
Of course I'm going to work to clean the eyepiece.
However I have to congratulate E. Krauss (Paris) since the beginning of this century, binoculars, there are several that I have, has a clear image almost to the edges and of course very "tangent condition"!
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I was going to pm this one but it may be interesting for everybody else?
looking at Simon's Flikr Yashica 7x 50's I was amazed to see how close they are to my Limer 7x50's, now I know these things do look similar but they look identical,position of the cover holes, focus wheel, eye pieces etc etc.
The Limer have no JB number just a lozenge with O.T.C in side on the axle end cap, I'll post a few pics for interest/reference.
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another pic
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I just got a Swift Admiral Mk1 10x50. It has huge prisms. Like something to fit Klingon hands. I don't think it has quite the advertised FOV, however.
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And another view. The objective lenses have a nice purple coating, but I think its a single coating, like the "Fully coated" marking suggests. The eyepieces seem to have an amber coating.
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Looks like it has huge eye lenses too. As the wolf said to red, "the better to see you with..".
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Truly beautiful and spectacular.
is a binocular in which I'd like to put the eye
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Quote:
I just got a Swift Admiral Mk1 10x50. It has huge prisms. Like something to fit Klingon hands. I don't think it has quite the advertised FOV, however.
I can't see the FOV figures from your photo. Does it say 420 ft/1000 yds?
From the eye piece end I see a kinship with the Celectron Nova 10X50 listed on Fan Tao's web page: http://fantao.home.att.net/images/cnov10x50f.jpg
Link to Fan Tao article: http://fantao.home.att.net/celnova.htm
I have a Celestron Nova in 7X50 from 1985. I recall at the time Swift had a model of nearly identical appearance and the same 10 deg FOV. I placed an order with a Swift dealer. It was back ordered for months. Called Astronomics and they had the Celestron Nova in stock. Still has that pair today. Excellent mechanical construction but severe edge distortion.
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It says 420ft. I think that I could see from Vega to Sheliak, but not any more. I haven't looked up yet what that separation is.
This is probably not multi-coated, and definitely BK-7. Also I measured it's effective aperture(via Glenn's test), which came up 47-48mm.
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Here's the near final version of my refurbishing of E.KRAUSS 6x25 of 1WW with graticule (sx eye).
After arriving home I noticed that,
while looking pretty good, the hood of the eyepieces were mounted an incline.
I had to dismount with great difficulty as they had bonded with adhesive to attach them and even better had the wire wrapped around the cotton thread.
I even disassembled, cleaned well and collimate front lenses .
Now it is a pleasure to look inside.
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A courageous task! It is interesting to hear your ability to overcome some serious problems! Thanks for writing!
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Bensi, soon you will own all the remaining binoculars issued to the Imperial German army in WW1 !
another nice find!
Bensi, presto possederete tutto il binocolo restante pubblicato all'esercito tedesco imperiale in WW1!
un altro ritrovamento piacevole!
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OK! latest find a pair of Hunsicker & Alexis of Paris from WW1, they have the M.G markings as well as another G below this and the double broad arrows on the bottom plates.
These were very dirty and out of collimation mainly due to an objective being slightly cross threaded, this was easily sorted with no damage fortunately.
They are a bit tatty cosmetically and there is some light dust inside mainly from the usual French plaster of paris that secures the very large prisms.
The view through them is extremely good, well up to a Zeiss of the day and to be honest until decent coatings became available.
The image has a VERY good 3 dimensional effect with no 'pincushioning' at all and quite a decent fov.
There is a reticle in the right hand ocular, also they have I believe the original strap, cloth/leathertte covering is coming loose but should glue back down.
I really like these though I need an eyepiece or failing that a pair from a Zeiss Silvarem c1914 as the thread is the same measuring approximately 23mm in diameter.
Does anyone know how the oculars split on this model?
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and last one for now,
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From the symbolism that you see engraved on the binoculars, was included in the English army 1WW.
Beautiful specimen and should not be difficult to reconstruct the hood of the eye.
Congratulations!
Great purchase and I would rather rare ...
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thanks Bensi,
I think rare also, I have never seen any more from this maker.
Quality is excellent both optically and in construction.
I am not sure how I will get/ make a new eyecup (hood)...I
looked at getting some custom turned before but the cost was very high!
ringraziamenti Bensi, Penso raro inoltre, io mai non ho veduto altro da questo creatore. La qualità è eccellente sia otticamente che nella costruzione. Non sono sicuro come otterrò faccio un nuovo eyecup (cappuccio)… che io ha esaminato ottenente una certa abitudine girata prima che ma il costo sia stato molto alto!
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Thanks to a tip off from potts, I now own a pair of Busch Ultralux 6x24's. They arrived in a fairly clean condition, suggesting they had received a service in the last few decades. The view has respectable with good sharpness although contrast was very dull. I decided to remove the prisms and clean a fine haze from them spending the next hour trying to secure the prism clips in there correct positions. The end result is a surprising improvement considering when I first looked through them the wrong way they looked clean and clear. A bright sharp little binocular with very short eye relief, well made.
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My pair were pretty much the same as your Simon with light dust inside that once cleaned brightened up the image far more then I thought it should, also the clips on one side of my pair needed the two 'tangs' spreading to re secure them back into place.
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Harbinjer,
Those Swift Admiral MkI 10X50's do indeed have many features in common with the Celestron Nova. If similar to the Nova, the prisms are not what one would call 'huge', but rather 'large.' The Nova's prism aperture is 24.5mm, which is certainly larger than the now much more common 21-22mm. But this is dwarfed by the 27mm apertures found in such beasties as the Tasco Model 124 7X50 (needed because of the 29mm eyepiece field stop diameter.) Even so, 24.5mm is perfectly adequate because the eyepiece field stop is just about exactly equal, and hence edge-of-field vignetting will be well under control (discounting any inherent limitations imposed by the eyepiece design itself.)
I'll take this opportunity to remind all and sundry that prism aperture by itself has *absolutely* nothing to do with illumination in the (more important) central parts of the field. (Recall my first post here on CN, 'Prism aperture - the myth', or some similar title.) The prism aperture's primary determinant is eyepiece field stop diameter, where a too-small prism aperture will result in image darkening toward the field edge; it will *NOT* cause on-axis dimming.
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Very small and lightweight binocular that impresses for its quality but also for the extreme compactness.
It is half the size of 6x30 binoculars classical(in photo Goerz Marine Trieder 1914) era but do not remove the neck even after hours of use.
I show You in honor of Goerz company who built it in 1905 but my bino is made in 1912, the serial number 241370.
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One shoot between eyepiece with phone photo camera.
Pagor 8x15 Goerz 1912
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Recently, I acquired a Ross Stepsun 12X50 serial #18961 with coated optics and the older Ross trademark. I estimate manufacture in the mid-1950's. Although there was some minor surface wear, the optics upon careful examination were absolutely pristine - no scratches, rub marks, haze, fungus or internal debris. Optical performance was also superb except for a stray light problem which many Ross Porro II's seem to have. I haven't been able to evaluate it against my Leitz Mardocit 12X60, but this should be an interesting exercise. Anyway, yesterday while removing it from the case, I dropped it on the floor knocking it hard on the right eyepiece. Thankfully, no permanent damage occurred, but some small debris particles became evident on the right prism. Although I love to open up, examine and repair binoculars, this one showed no signs of ever having been opened and I didn't want to be the first to do it, but those particles were driving me mad so this morning I removed the ocular assembly and prism plate and blew them out. The operation was a complete success - no scratches, no marred screws, no smudged glass and clean optics again. But ... after removing the prism plate, I was surprised to discover that my Porro II was not really a Porro II! On other Porro II's (Stepmur 10X50, Steplux 7X50, BinoPrism 7X50)the two prisms are cemented together (which, I understand is the defining characteristic of a Porro II) and the ocular field lens is cemented to the prism cluster. I have read that in later production Ross discontinued cementing the field lens to the prism assembly because the introduction of coated optics made this unnecessary. So although I was not surprised to discover no field lens cemented to the prisms, I was surprised to discover that the two prisms were not cemented together either. They were held in place by the usual prism clamp, and there was a 1 - 2 mm space between the prism faces thereby creating two air glass surfaces which would reflect light. Technically, I believe this design is not a Porro II configuration. I still love the binoculars and although I'm a little disappointed to see Ross resorting to this sort of cost-saving measure, I'm not surprised having found numerous other sorts of cost-savings on Ross post-war binoculars. My knowledge of Ross binoculars has increased and the Ross brand still holds a lot of interest for me.
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As found also in the Stepmur
Air spaced porro 2
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Glenn,
Thanks for the comments. Is there anyway to measure the prism without taking it apart? I don't have a lot of basis for comparison, as I've never seen the Tasco 124. The Admirals just felt much bigger in my hands than other hand held binos.
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Frank, How is that Leitz Mardocit 12X60? I see them for sale 3, maybe 4 times a year. Does it work just fine? Is it almost to the level of modern binoculars?
Thanks for some details on this old binoculars--!
I wonder how it fits next to the Apogee unibody 12x60, or the russian 12x50 bagish. It couldn't be up to par with a nikon Action Extreme 12x50.
Sincerely,
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Hello Robert,
I have used the Mardocit, one which had "cleaning marks," and found it inferior in illumination and FOV to a modern 12x50 roof glass like the Leica BA, certainly not even the best by today's standards. Multicoating was enough to overcome the expected loss of light from the silver mirrors on the BA. I am assuming that BA did not have dielectric mirrors. Since the Mardocit's optics were not perfect, a comparison of resolution would be flawed, and beyond my memory. The Mardocit was definitely not a wide field glass.
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Robert, Specs on the Leitz Mardocit 12X60 are as follows:
FOV: 4.3 deg = 75 yd/ 1000 yd; APFOV: 51.6 deg
Weight: 1220 gr
Exit Pupil: 5 mm
Manufactured: 1939 - 1962.
I believe my example was made late 1950's - early 1960's. It has MgFl coatings. I purchased it about three years ago on an on-line auction. Mechanically and optically it was and has remained perfect requiring no internal cleaning, lubrication of focus or diopter ring, or collimation indicating a high level of quality which is to be expected from Leitz. It does not show any signs of ever being serviced. The only issue it had was the leatherette coverings were brittle and falling off. This is a problem on many old Leitz binoculars, but I regard it as a blessing in disguise since it discourages buyers and keeps price down. I was able to repair using a replacement covering exactly duplicating the Leitz pattern purchased on-line from a California supplier.
I use them frequently at our cabin for viewing about 1 Km across a bay. Usually I'm sitting so shake is not a big problem and I think the hefty weight also facilitates a steady hold. Image sharpness is excellent and under normal day conditions I can see better detail with these than with my Nikon 10X35 EII's. However, although I wouldn't say the Mardocits have a dim image, the EII's is, as expected, much brighter, and 10X50W Jenoptems with T3M multicoatings also show a noticeably brighter image. I don't wear glasses and find them very easy to look through but there could be problems with eye-relief for those who use glasses. My son has a Nikon 8X40 Action Extreme which is optically good but I don't like the eyepieces. They are thick, somewhat uncomfortable, and, for me, vignette easily.
Although I haven't tested, stray light has never been much of a problem, and I'd estimate image is sharp to at least 70% of field, probably more. They're not weatherproof and being a typical Zeiss Porro I design probably wouldn't stand a lot of banging around.
Hope this helps,
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I have bought a pair of Carl Zeiss Jena 7x50 Binoctem binoculars that I am puzzling over. The serial number is 2,33X,XXX which according to the list I have would date them to 1945.
They are the "light" 860g model introduced in 1937 but in every other respect they are almost identical to a battered 1932 pair I also own.
I imagine they are post war as the lenses are coated (blue) but I am wondering whether may possibly have been put together using pre-war components. Does anyone know whether there was a long gap before the Carl Zeiss Jena company resumed production after the war and if they took up the serial numbers at the point where they had left off? Are there any serial number lists for Zeiss Jena post war production?
Unfortunately I don't have any pictures as the lying toerag I bought them from claimed they were in good condition but the right ocular focus adjuster is just spinning round so I have had to send them off for repair.
Thanks for any help! Simon
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The jenoptems you have are post WW2 and the loose ocular mght be a loose eye cup?
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Ok didn't expect a lot from these, but was pleasantly suprised, image is very crisp and pretty bright, good colour rendition excellent 3d effect field is average for a 8x30.
They are however very light and 1/2" smaller in height breadth and width than all the other 8x30's I own.
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another pic, I guess 1970's build, there are no markings to suggest either East or West Germany.
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last pic, serial number is 75304 (1975?), I have been informed these are 1950's and have seen a catalogue scan showing them dated 1950.
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My latest buy is a scruffy pair of Kern Armee-Modell 6x24's that needed internal cleaning and a new strap. The engineering that went into this binocular is fantastic, beautifully milled out prism inserts with cutouts to lock the prisms perfectly in place.
The image bearing in mind the lack of coating is beautiful, sharp and rich neutral colour rendition. They are also bright and despite the basic 2 element oculars are well corrected.
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Hello Simon,
As this binocular, the Hunsicker & Alexis, was made in France, I wonder if the "M.G." stands for Ministry of War, in French, Ministère de Guerre. Perhaps it was purchased from civilian stores, or even donated, rather than by a government contract.
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another pic, I guess 1970's build, there are no markings to suggest either East or West Germany.
Are you sure that this binocular is German?
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pretty sure, it states Germany on the IPD scale cover plate, guess like me you thought that they have a 'French' look about them? internal build etc is all very German looking, suprisingly half decent view though!
The Hunsicker & Alexis yes I guessed MG war ministry of war though not sure what the other G marked below was for?
Yet more nice finds Simon, its hard to resist I guess? especially when there's so many bargain and rare 'precious' things about that we need.
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My latest buy is a scruffy pair of Kern Armee-Modell 6x24's that needed internal cleaning and a new strap. The engineering that went into this binocular is fantastic, beautifully milled out prism inserts with cutouts to lock the prisms perfectly in place.
The image bearing in mind the lack of coating is beautiful, sharp and rich neutral colour rendition. They are also bright and despite the basic 2 element oculars are well corrected.
Hello Simon,
I think that this binocular may have pop up, brass eyecups. I wonder if any were ever coated.
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Hello Simon,
As this binocular, the Hunsicker & Alexis, was made in France, I wonder if the "M.G." stands for Ministry of War, in French, Ministère de Guerre. Perhaps it was purchased from civilian stores, or even donated, rather than by a government contract.
Happy collecting,
Arthur
It is a possibility, it might be equivalent to our broad arrows?
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From what I can gather during WW1 there was a shortage of binoculars in the UK so they were bought in from many sources as well as from private donations.
France was a main supplier as well as an ally, these are unusual I suppose being 8x and not the usual 6x often prefered for military use, they also have a graticle in the right hand ocular.
Being French they are well made with some style, the internals are well machined with I believe high index very good quality prisms, these are however 'cemented' in place when collimated with plaster of Paris.
Whilst doing a fantastic job of holding the prisms in the field and making it nigh on impossible to knock them out of collimation, the Plaster of Paris makes it very hard work to clean them internally, sure you can clean all the exposed glass but you have to wet and cut/saw carefully the plaster down the sides and around the prisms then clean them all up and reposition!!!
A very difficult and time consuming job indeed , though the end result in these at least is pretty spectacular for a 90 year old instrument!
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This article 'no gunnery without glass' on the Europa site gives a good account of problems during WW1 for the British optical industry...
http://home.europa.com/~telscope/glass-ss.txt
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From what I can gather during WW1 there was a shortage of binoculars in the UK so they were bought in from many sources as well as from private donations.
France was a main supplier as well as an ally, these are unusual I suppose being 8x and not the usual 6x often prefered for military use, they also have a graticle in the right hand ocular.
Being French they are well made with some style, the internals are well machined with I believe high index very good quality prisms, these are however 'cemented' in place when collimated with plaster of Paris.
Whilst doing a fantastic job of holding the prisms in the field and making it nigh on impossible to knock them out of collimation, the Plaster of Paris makes it very hard work to clean them internally, sure you can clean all the exposed glass but you have to wet and cut/saw carefully the plaster down the sides and around the prisms then clean them all up and reposition!!!
A very difficult and time consuming job indeed , though the end result in these at least is pretty spectacular for a 90 year old instrument!
We have seen the adverts of the war ship sinking and a request to send your Zeiss binoculars to the Navy, but would they have been marked with a broad arrow? I have a pair of CF binoculars but I can't remember what they are with cross feet stamped on them.
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Hi Simon, this history bit is much of the fun of it all I find!...anyway I have found these for sale which are a few numbers younger than my pair, these have the crows feet on them also but not the double crows feet like mine...
http://www.militaryantiquesmuseum.com/military_antiques.php?step=20&searchunder=prodid&searchfor=2692&PHPSESSID=qseffhulstzqkz
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Thought y'all might enjoy this one.
Here is an interesting pair of ultra wide angle 12 degree 8x40 Linet binos.
Has a warm amber tone to the view (which I generally dislike in binos). Goes soft pretty quick out from the center of view. Decent comforable eye relief for a wide angle. The outside slope of the prism housing is very similar to the old Fuji Made Bushnell Rangemasters...indicating large prisms. BaK4 prisms. JB56 maker is the maker of most Swift binoculars, Hiyoshi. Nice build. Dislike the chromed knurled eyepiece barrels and focus knobs (as usual, its a pet peave of mine.)
Fairly clean interior, could use a cleaning. Pics are of binos in as received condition.
Never seen an extra wide in this 8x40 config before. Neat.
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Nice to see your still collecting OJ, that is wide for a 8x40 wider than the MKII Saratoga I think. It is unusual to find high index prisms in Japanese binoculars of this era.
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Ive been bleeding more than collecting lately. Tough times.
I just googled Swift Saratoga and a pair on UK auction site, they have the pointy elongated prism housing as well. Very similar to the Linets above (and the Bushnell Rangemasters).
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Nice find OJ, I agree on the knurled bit it puts me off these type of bins-I am that shallow!
These arrived this morning , CF version of the more commonly found IF 7x50's, they have the post 1962 logo.
Optically they are excellent and just about the same as the IF version only not quite so yellow in image hue.
They are cosmetically very good apart from the bridge area which has some wear then again I know these were used by a Lance Corporal in the British Army for some time.
I will probably clean and respray the bridge area as the rest is almost mint, came with a nice original case too, highly recommended binocular.
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excuse previous pic it's a bit blurred, here's another;
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and another,
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business end;
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last one!
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In recent days I've got a beautiful and perfect (I just have to clean the graticule) ROSS Steroe Prismatic 8x24 binoculars, with leather case with initials W.L.
From Serial number 66084, I could not understand the exact year but if anyone can help me, I'd be happy.
http://quasar.teoth.it/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=138
Great News!!!
Last night I bought (ebay) a very... very.. rare prismatic binoculars Filotecnica Milano-ing.Salmoiraghi 6x early twentieth century (at least it seems from his image).
You should know that the Filotecnica of Milano was founded by Ignazio Porro (her name reminds you of someone??) in year 1864, and his death (1875), was directed by one of his pupils who became his partner, engineer Angelo Salmoiraghi.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Salmoiraghi
As they arrive in my hands ... will send more detailed images and tight.
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Nice find Bensi, I eagerly await more photographs and information.
Ritrovamento piacevole Bensi, attendo ardentemente più fotografie ed informazioni.
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Thought of people here when I bought this Swift catalogue listing the binoculars of the 60's. Swift Catalogue
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Thanks Simon. Ive had my eye on the Apollo (bid on one once), and the Panoramic(also bid on one once) for some time now.
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Cool upload Simon, any body else got any others...who bought the Russian military binocular booklet off Ebay? I missed the end and would love a copy of that one.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140354224470&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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The Swift that I would like to acquire most is a Neptune 7x35 in excellent condition.
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Thought of people here when I bought this Swift catalogue listing the binoculars of the 60's.
Thanks for the trip in the Way Back Machine, Simon!
I had the Swift 7x50 Skipper model back in that period of time. My first "astro" binocular! Carried that heavy beast to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and back in '71 and decided after that trip that a pair of compacts would be more appropriate for backpacking. The 7x26 Custom Compacts were my next purchase.
Now I'm wishing I had purchased the 7x35 Panoramic back then when I had the chance! 11° FOV!!
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Hi Simon,
I feel that the Japanese had a good handle on the coatings of their day. Sure, they are not the FMC that FUJI now offers, BUT, they appear to be the best for their times.
And don't forget the war! U.S.A., Japan, and Germany were ingaged to obtain the best coating(s) available for use on the big binoculars employed by the hugh battleships in the war to spot U-Boats and other advisories in the high seas during this extended war.
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If people would scan in there manuals , I could add them to the site. What do you think?
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I have a 1950's Wray catalogue but it's a copy so not perfect.
I do think an online resource would be ideal for binocular historians.
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Sorry to say, you cannot post any scanned copies of manufacturer's manuals here on Cloudy Nights, unless you first obtain permission from each manufacturer and then post that notice of permission along with the scan. Posting scanned manuals without obtaining permission is a violation of copyright laws.
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Sorry to say, you cannot post any scanned copies of manufacturer's manuals here on Cloudy Nights, unless you first obtain permission from each manufacturer and then post that notice of permission along with the scan. Posting scanned manuals without obtaining permission is a violation of copyright laws.
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Good point, that's that idea out the window then.
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How does that apply to manufacturers that are no longer around, for example Goerz, Wray, Kershaw etc
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I don't know how the law applies to copyright of materials where the holder is no longer in existence.
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Doesn't at a guess, but might try and contact Swift regarding the upload I made.
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Pretty disgusted that I missed these, but its hard to keep track of eBay continuously. These are the Kowas I have been specifically looking for (or the 7x35 8 degree model), I have the 7x35 Prominar 11 degree wide angles and have had 7x50 Prominars as well...though I sold those.
These Vintage Kowa Prominar 8.8 Deg FOV sold last week for $32. Smack head. Dog gone it!
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Next time OJ...keep looking!
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I have a CF Ross 8X "Stereo Prism Binocular" with a 24mm objective which is very similar to yours. However, mine does not have a screw-down IPD lock and the joining of the ocular arms is much thinner. The serial number is 61114, and since it is a presentation binocular which is inscribed 31-3-14, I believe year of manufacture is 1913 or 1914. It could well be 1913 because the binocular is also inscribed with the name of an Australian retailer.
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Many thanks!
I suspect that the style and graticule, the WW1 was ill but now with your help we can be sure.
My model has the number 66084 and I think that of 1915-16.
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All I can say about this Zeiss is it's fantastic. This binocular although 99 years old is totally unmarked and pin sharp to almost the edge of the field. They had been serviced before me, although it must have been many years ago judging by the muck on the lenses. I love the IPD indent on the end of the swinging bar, making it easy to set the IPD without even holding them to your eyes.
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Hello Simon,
I like the shop's name on the IPD scale. This would have been manufactured just prior to WWI. I have a Silvarem from 1931, which would still be a useful tool for observations.
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I understand you! 
I congratulate you on your purchase and take this opportunity to say what I think peer Zeiss those of the first 900 '.
Even my Zeiss Silvamar sn.307685 ( http://quasar.teoth.it/gallery/albums/userpics/10111/dopo_la_cura_2.jpg ) and Silvarem sn.459636 ( http://quasar.teoth.it/gallery/albums/userpics/10111/Zeiss_totale_laterale_anteriore_dopo.jpg ) of the same historical period of your binoculars are fantastic.
What I was very impressed by is the effect of relaxing the image, which I think is due to excellent care in the design and construction of the eyepiece.
Although a field of 150m/1000 is comfortable, neat and say ... healing and healthy for the eye (sorry for the translation but I can not say it better in English).
For me, having in his hands a Zeiss of this historical period is exciting. Their weight is less than the sense of quality and strength that we give.
I particular, when I disassembled the Silvarem, piece by piece, I found a size of the ocular lenses and prisms much higher.
A great joy to have an old Zeiss bino ....
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Too bad I bought more than a month ago on ebay, another Zeiss 6x30 Silvamar sn130845 of 1907, including custody, but perhaps has been lost through the fault of the strikes to the post in Britain.
I enclose a picture of the sale but I do not I have received.
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Hi Bensi, I have also lost a pair of Zeiss binoculars in the Royal Mail. They are 7x50 Binoctems with coated lenses with a 2,XXX,XXX serial number dating from 1945. They were in a non-Zeiss leather case and are the lightweight version only made for a few years. They were sent on Oct 29 by Special delivery but it appears the package was stolen as Royal Mail has lost track of it. If anyone spots them on ebay or elsewhere I would appreciate a nudge. Simon
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That is terrible for both of you. I hope they were insured, but that does not detract from the fact that someone has lost or stolen them.
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Hi Guys, i recently 'lost' a pair of Russian Zomz 7x50's they turned up 3 weeks late, it might be worth checking neighbours as I once had a parcel left at a neighbours house they were partially deaf and pretty much housebound so never thought any more about the parcel, which was wrongly addressed.
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My latest buy is a scruffy pair of Kern Armee-Modell 6x24's that needed internal cleaning and a new strap. The engineering that went into this binocular is fantastic, beautifully milled out prism inserts with cutouts to lock the prisms perfectly in place.
The image bearing in mind the lack of coating is beautiful, sharp and rich neutral colour rendition. They are also bright and despite the basic 2 element oculars are well corrected.
Hello Simon,
I think that this binocular may have pop up, brass eyecups. I wonder if any were ever coated.
Happy collecting,
Arthur Pinewood
Pinwood, yes I think it should have pop up eyecups but I can't get mine to?
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I think that this binocular may have pop up, brass eyecups. I wonder if any were ever coated.
Happy collecting,
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Pinwood, yes I think it should have pop up eyecups but I can't get mine to?
Hello Simon,
By your 'photo, I think the eye cups may be present. Penetrating oil might loosen them but you would have to disassemble the eyepieces first, to avoid getting oil on or between the glass surfaces. This is a very simple binocular, but it seems to have been made extremely well.
The Swiss Army used a 6x30, in small numbers, then moved on to the 8x30, which are ubiquitous.
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Do they just slide up?
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Hello Simon,
I believe they just slide up, but I am not anywhere near mine, at the moment. If not, I'll let you know.
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Binoculars Filotecnica arrived !!!!!
A few minutes ago I arrived in the office and within 10 minutes I unscrewed and disassembled Eye ... etc
is a nice "rock" 1WW of 6x30 or so.
Comes from England from ebay.
From the research I have done in the internet ... I have not found one ... the same age and type.
After disassembly I noticed a building system is completely original and different from the Germans and British ... "The Filotecnica" was unique in the world in quality and we Italians should remember the more pride!
From the disassembly I noticed a building system completamnete original and different from the Germans and British ... "The Filotecnica" was unique in the world in quality and we Italians should remember the more pride!
I repeat .... a giant similar in style Silvarem Zeiss and Goerz Helinox the same era.
If the soldiers ended the bullets, they could shoot at the enemy as a weapon!!
From tonight I begin the restoration and cleaning and then I send pictures of construction details.
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Eyepiece that allows a better view (the other has the prism completely out of place), shows a picture rectilinear and perfect straight up to the extreme edges.
Another pic!!
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Binoculars Filotecnica arrived !!!!!
A few minutes ago I arrived in the office and within 10 minutes I unscrewed and disassembled Eye ... etc
is a nice "rock" 1WW of 6x30 or so.
Comes from England from ebay.
From the research I have done in the internet ... I have not found one ... the same age and type.
After disassembly I noticed a building system is completely original and different from the Germans and British ... "The Filotecnica" was unique in the world in quality and we Italians should remember the more pride!
From the disassembly I noticed a building system completamnete original and different from the Germans and British ... "The Filotecnica" was unique in the world in quality and we Italians should remember the more pride!
I repeat .... a giant similar in style Silvarem Zeiss and Goerz Helinox the same era.
If the soldiers ended the bullets, they could shoot at the enemy as a weapon!!
From tonight I begin the restoration and cleaning and then I send pictures of construction details.
I am very pleased they arrived Bensi 
They look interesting, can you keep us informed please?
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They look very nice indeed Bensi, a good buy I think.
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