Bensi
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From my blog ..
http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/7834558.html
What do you think ... just my imagination or excessive pessimism?
Bye
Marco
Edited by Bensi (10/15/09 03:53 PM)
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beachchairbill
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It would be nice if this was in English
BB
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It is translated from the middle of the page but with google translator.
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BobinKy
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Marco...
You may be correct that binoculars, as we have known them in the 20th century, may be something of the past. This is sad because the porro binocular is such a wonderful optic.
If possible, can you show us a few of your photographs of seamen on deck using binoculars during world wars I & II?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. You have a wonderful collection of classic binoculars.
-------------------- Bob
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Bensi
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Quote:
Marco...
If possible, can you show us a few of your photographs of seamen on deck using binoculars during world wars I & II?
I try to add a few personal image or already authorized.
I apologize for English is not very good, but I help with Google and now I hope to improve the text of the blog.
Other posts on the blog I am translating them in English (put the text after the Italian text).
I take this opportunity to explain the logic of my message, even a little ironic.
I tried to divide in a simple way the three ages of binoculars.
XIX - Invention of binoculars and Porro prism and roof.
XX - Small improvements but huge deployment and use (WW)
XXI - Likely sunset of optical glasses, and the birth of the binocular with CCD (without prisms)
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
Edited by Bensi (10/16/09 02:47 AM)
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Bensi
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Tests ship in Naples in 1939 with Mussolini, Hitler.
In this photo you see Rudolph Hess with a Hensoldt binoculars.
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Bensi
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another photos of WW - German sailors with binoculars and cameras
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Bensi
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One photo of 1WW.
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
Edited by Bensi (10/16/09 04:44 AM)
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Bensi
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To simplify the reading and comments ;-)))
We pasted here the text that I put on my blog.
If anyone knows the Italian can help me to correct some errors in my translation ... thanks
Traslate ..with Google but with my changes and corrections ... to automatic translation.
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The sunset of the binocular optical signals in the XXI century.
For a romantic collector of binoculars, like me, you do not suffer from any of the considerations and pessimistic thoughts that I intend to do in this article-my little note.
Indeed, for the same reasons that I shall give later on, maybe the collection will be even more happy and honored to have among the hands, and his eyes, binoculars vintage.
They do not even have a problem who do not agree with my idea on the future development of binoculars, at least for what remains of binoculars, defined as optical instrument itself.
Will be glad to see someone who loves the news and new technology, always and everywhere, as a necessary good, and impervious to any kind of reflection or homesickness.
Recently, the german expert Dr Holger Merlitz, with whom I had the opportunity to exchange a few messages on C.P.Goerz binoculars, wrote a web page (http://www.holgermerlitz.de/digitalbino.html) which describes the new scenario evolution of that instrument, which according to his idea, yet a little, we will call binoculars.
I am not here to repeat what Dr. Merlitz lists and explains, so well ,but I prefer to make a historical reflection mei then introduce the final conclusions.
Beginning with the state the date of birth the first binoculars in the world, at least what is considered the official start of the use of two coupled Galilean.
In 1823, the optician Viennese Johann F. Voigtlander, invented the first binoculars in the world with his invention was opened in human history and its relationship with nature, war, sport, science, security and entertainment pure and simple, a key chapter of the man-tool a bit like it was prehistoric humans, the discovery of weapons and tools.
For the entire nineteenth century, the genius of inventors and scientists, to name but three names on many, Porro, Abbe, Hoegh ... gradually brought within 70 years (since the invention of Voigtlander) to achieve a model of which reached top quality binoculars optical quality and ease of use and portability.
Before the nineteenth over, there was the invention of the roof prism (and the pentaprism), a pioneer in optics, Moritz Hensoldt, who invented and patented by the company that still bears his name in 1898, are still a milestone in the construction of high-end binoculars and superior optical quality.
Without this tiny premise historical necessity, the development of binoculars in 900', I believe, has experienced changes of minor technical importance but still worthy of note (anti-reflective coating, improved over the FOV eyepieces, water resistance, brightness, compactness and lightness) but in return greatly confirmed its usefulness as optical instrument indispensable to some human activities, but especially in the first and second World Wars.
I have hundreds of historic photographs of soldiers who have neck or a pair of binoculars that are using the deck of a ship or a submarine or tank.
Gone are the sad times of war, the binoculars of the 900 ', is back to being a playmate and entertainment (sports and theater) and has maintained a scientific importance (birdwatching and astronomy) and sea rescue and research.
Naturally, the amount of optical binoculars that have gone into the military supply remained significant, but much more specialized. Among the most famous military binoculars, remain the Hensoldt rubber and waterproof (distributed by Zeiss).
Towards the end of the twentieth century the most important technological innovations have been directed to increased stability of the observation, by gyroscopes and electronic stabilizing, compasses and cameras and then incorporated.
We have come now to the great technological leap that perhaps will change its name to the binocular optics.
With the advent of CCD and the miniaturization of cameras and electronic equipment, tubes of old binoculars, we can imagine, that can no longer ocular prism and achromatic doublets but microcameras stabilized with a single small button allows the magnification or the effect angle variable and adapts quickly to low light.
In short, Oversimplified, there will be a leap forward similar to that which led to the sensors and electronics in cameras, making it instantly obsolete and useless films and mechanical shutter.
More than anything else to beat the new name of this "tool" could be "BinoCCD" or "Binovision" and remove it faster than half the fun of keeping his hands a binocular optical-mechanical, prisms and eyepieces designed with the great genius of the sigg.Abbe or Hoegh.
Fortunately for us old bino nostalgic man, the batteries will fade and visions goodbye! Hi!! Hi!! Hi!!
Returning to more serious things, progress must not stop but emotions will not change for those who will always have the pleasure of challenging a Zeiss, Voigtlander, Busch, Goerz, Leitz, Hensoldt, Dollond, Ross, Kershaw, Baush & Lomb, Barr & Stroud, Krauss. .. and I will stop here!
Unfortunately we have to resign .. the end of optical glasses is close ... but will in human history and the optics of the last two centuries XIX and XX, perhaps even more than the telescope, as it also had a huge popularity that the tens of millions of binoculars in the world bear witness ..
Edited by Bensi (10/16/09 05:44 AM)
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BobinKy
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Marco...
Thank you for posting the photographs. I am sorry I asked you do something against Cloudy Nights regulations.
-------------------- Bob
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Edited by BobinKy (10/16/09 11:12 AM)
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Bensi
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I have many images but no possible posting for my dubt on copyright , because I have download some photo from internet sites. Another photos it's mine. 
Please at all, to take my little text in light mode, as I hope to have been a little pessimistic.
I love the optics binoculars.
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Bensi
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So to make a small personal reference to historic binoculars ...
With original photos of the family ....
These people depicted in the photo are my maternal great-grandfather Giovanni and his brother Attilio Cascioli (artillery soldier) in the Cathedral of Milan in 1933.
Great-grandfather had his Zeiss 10x50 neck.
Too bad I have not come into my hands ... sigh!
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Bensi
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And if you think it's a trick ...
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Bensi
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Another original photos...
My great-uncle Attilio Cascioli to Passo del Gran San Bernardo 2472mt, the 23lug1933 8:30 am with binoculars military.
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Bensi
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That's the whole picture
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Wonderful old photos , Marco !
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Bensi
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Thanks!!!
I have many photos family of soldier and normal life...
This one..my maternal great-grandfather Giovanni and his brother Attilio Cascioli (artillery soldier) in the Cathedral of Milan in 1933.
Same site.. but frontal , with Zeiss 10x50 in first place good visible.
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Dan in San Diego
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I think that we have a long, long time of optical binoculars ahead of us. But if you're right and the technology can outpace pure optics that quickly, I want a pair! Dan
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Bensi
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I hope so too ...
:-)))))
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Marco...
Very nice photographs of your family. It is good to see you carry on the family tradition for binoculars.
-------------------- Bob
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Marco, I enjoyed your old pictures as well - thank you for posting them.
As for the future of binoculars, I would think we will still need lenses to create the focal planes for the CCD's. But the prisms and eyepieces could be eliminated in your scenario.
-------------------- Clear skies, Milt
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Bensi
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Thank you very much for the nice words.
I tried to enlarge the image of binoculars around the neck of my great-grandfather and I seem to recognize a pattern Binoctem 7x50 or a Dekarem 10x50.
I'm not sure but looking at the magnification of similar models on eBay and catalogs of the period like that, I find them identical.
You see the knob of the Central Focus and the eyepieces are exactly the same .. what do you think?
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Quote:
One photo of 1WW.
Wow, Really shows the importance they placed on optics back then!
Most US Soldiers today seem to only rely on the low power sights on their rifles…
-------------------- Brian S. Johnson
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.. what do you think?
Marco, Sorry I cannot help. You know more about these binoculars than I do. Perhaps someone here can identify them.
Milt
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Bensi
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I see many Binoctem and Dekarem (catalogue Zeiss and ebay sell).
Are identical to binoculars what my grandfather had his neck at the time.
-------------------- Marco Bensi
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C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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Regarding the aspect of digital binoculars:
The technology cannot, for some time yet, replace the subtlety of that which can be seen with the eye.
It CAN enhance and expand on what is there in a falsified way, but it cannot dynamically scale the same way as an eye can or contrast as well as a human eye. Not yet, at least.
I've done years and years of work in modification and single cause analysis in display technology and associated optics...and we have yet to come close to the capacity for subtlety of signal and resolution the the eye can do. This will only occur in a properly executed revolutionary change in the current technology level with regards to display devices. It also takes a person or design crew that has an understanding of the absolute limit of human capacity, not a fixation on textbook limits.
I hope to have fun with such digital binoculars and they very likely will become the standard in the future-but not yet!
-------------------- It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this...is the key
to it all.
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Bensi
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I hope to have fun with such digital binoculars and they very likely will become the standard in the future-but not yet!
Something begins to move, but for me .. .. romantic collector of binoculars is a different emotion.
But I am fully agree with you.
There are examples of optical and digital but we are not yet complete replacement of lenses.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-25x42-nvb.html http://www.intellisec.it/pdf/ISS-NOFF.pdf
Bye
-------------------- Marco Bensi
Telescope
C.P.GOERZ 1270/110 - 1910
Binoculars Gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37533746@N03/sets/72157622478972171/
Blog: http://blog.libero.it/GOERZ/
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