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Jeronimo Cruz
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How often do you clean your bino lenses?
      #3406608 - 10/23/09 04:21 PM

Hi all,

I just finished cleaning all the lenses of my Pentax WPII 10x50's and I realized that it had been the first time since I bought them about two years ago. They just didn't seem to need it until someone recently wiped a finger on the right lens. I've yet to clean some of my other binos.

My philosophy is that one should clean lenses as infrequently as possible so as to avoid inadvertant lens damage while cleaning. Unless there is a blatant fingerprint or finger oil smudge, I'd be happy cleaning cleaning my bino lenses perhaps once a year.

So, how often do you clean your binocular lenses?

Thanks for your responses!

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3406654 - 10/23/09 04:39 PM

I clean mine only when I get a stain or fingerprint on them. Maybe once a year for the objectives, a bit more often for the eyepieces due to eyelash residue. The bins that see less or no use, get less or no cleaning of course.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3406660 - 10/23/09 04:41 PM

Like you, I try to clean them as infrequently as possible. I don't worry about dust or fibres so much, but fingerprints have to be cleaned ASAP as the oils will damage coatings. It's incredible how much dust can be on a lens or mirror before the images are compromised - I've never cleaned my dob mirror in about 8 years. It's filthy, but gives great views!

To answer your question, probably about 3-5 times a year per bino.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: RichD]
      #3406705 - 10/23/09 05:04 PM

Hi RichD,

I wasn't aware that finger oil could damage coatings if left for prolonged periods! Does this apply to telescope eyepieces as well? Thanks for the advice.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: RichD]
      #3406714 - 10/23/09 05:07 PM

It depends upon circumstances .

One day a couple of winters ago I was out in a snow blizzard looking through my 7 x 50 and had to keep cleaning off the snow every 10 seconds or so just to be able to see anything at all .

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #3406844 - 10/23/09 06:29 PM

I assume that any lens coated with an anti-reflective coating could be affected by the oils and grease in a fingerprint. I remember reading once that problems occur when they become "baked on" by strong sunlight. Probably more of a problem in binos than scope eyepieces.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: RichD]
      #3406871 - 10/23/09 06:51 PM

When they become to dirty. As others say from fingerprints or eyelash residue. I have my 20x80 stellar for over 7 years. The objectives have been never cleaned so far, the eyepieces more often. But i don't use the bino much.
My TS Marine is more extensively used, have it since Juin, not cleaned anything for now...

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: F.Meiresonne]
      #3407620 - 10/24/09 03:29 AM

Hi Rich,

Yor are absolutely correct. If a fingerprint imprints on any of our modern, multicoated lenses, then the fingerprint leaves an impression on the surface. The FMC are so very fragile!

Over time, this "bakes" onto the coating. I've never found a solution for fixing this type of problem completely.

The best one can do, as has been pointed out, is to clean the lens surface as soon as possible. I find the original Kodak lens cleaning solutions as effective as any.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3407664 - 10/24/09 06:03 AM

With the great majority of my binoculars, I've never cleaned either the objective or the eye lens. And I've owned most of them for more than a decade, and one for several decades.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #3407715 - 10/24/09 07:42 AM

I currently have 8 binoculars,
have sold/given away another 6 since 1996,
and have cleaned two or three binos during that time.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3407729 - 10/24/09 08:07 AM

I tend to clean my bins rarely and usually only when anything specific lands up on the objectives
IMHO eyepieces with shorter eye relief do merit cleaning from time to time mainly due to eyelash marks
I think fingerprints are always worth removing swiftly if possible from objectives
I generally use cotton wool swabs lightly moistened with a mix of ionised water/isopropyl alcohol
This seems to be really good for taking grease etc off and leaves a nice finish once the remainder is very gently cleaned off

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: richtea]
      #3407752 - 10/24/09 08:34 AM

I've used bins frequently on hunting trips in inclement weather, salty marshes, etc.. They accumulated dust, dirt, mud etc., mostly on the EPs, and were cleaned many times a day, sometimes, out of expedience, with a dirty shirt tail and spit, although most often by rinsing with water from a Camelback and wiping with a not too clean microfiber lens cloth. There's been no discernible damage to optics or coatings to date. Naturally, I wouldn't recommend this treatment in general but it illustrates that the coatings are not excessively fragile.

My astro bins get treated more respectfully.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Luigi]
      #3407768 - 10/24/09 08:47 AM

Living in the UK, I often observe at night in very dewy conditions or in winter the bins may get very cold and covered in condensation when bought inside. How do you guys feel about water marks that come from use like this? I appreciate it's only distilled water but I like to clean this kind of residue.

Better to leave it maybe.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: RichD]
      #3407806 - 10/24/09 09:11 AM

Some of you guys must live in a hospital clean vacuum.
I clean mine any time they need it ,Which is quite a bit more than 1 or 2 times a year.
A couple of them cost me nearly a months pension but ive never been worried about cleaning them using Zeiss lens cloths or the stuff i get from Costcos for my glasses with a micri fiber cloth.
Never done them any harm .
They are not as fragile as people seem to think.


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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: medinabrit]
      #3407926 - 10/24/09 10:42 AM

AR Coatings are not fragile at all, however it is correctly stated above that skin oils, if left on AR coatings, will cause harm. Skin oils should be cleaned off promptly. Common sense dictates that care should be used.

I end up cleaning mine a lot in spring as they often get deposits of sap falling from tree leaves. There is literally no place in my yard, from where I do 95% of my observing, where I can get away from trees.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: RichD]
      #3408397 - 10/24/09 03:18 PM

Quote:

Living in the UK, I often observe at night in very dewy conditions or in winter the bins may get very cold and covered in condensation when bought inside. How do you guys feel about water marks that come from use like this? I appreciate it's only distilled water but I like to clean this kind of residue.




It is, alas, *not* distilled water. Those water droplets are ideal sponges for any impurities in the air -- hydrocarbons, salt, dust, pollen, etc. Inside air tends to be particularly dirty, so the rule of thumb is to minimize any condensation that might form when bringing cold optics indoors. A blast with an electric heater or hairdrier works wonders. Or seal them so that the condensation comes from outdoor air.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #3408526 - 10/24/09 04:40 PM

I clean the lenses as seldom as possible. That does mean only when it's much dust or fingerprints/eyelash marks.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Swedpat]
      #3408762 - 10/24/09 07:03 PM

I've had to wipe my EPs a few times already, very lightly. I did notice a little of the coating seemed to have been disturbed, though not an actual scratch on the glass. The views have not been compromised so I'm thankful for that.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: zanti-misfit]
      #3409016 - 10/24/09 09:56 PM

I couldn't even to begin to hazard a guess as to how frequently I clean lenses. Suffice it to say, whenever needed. As many others seem to do, skin oils are removed promptly. I've read in the past that the danger from this source has to with acidity, which over sufficient time will 'etch' a coating, no matter if it's a single- or multi-layer job. Even if this is an overly cautious approach, oils are certainly a far more nefarious source of diffuse scattering and diffraction than is dust.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #3409995 - 10/25/09 01:39 PM

I own many pairs of binoculars and tend to only clean a pair that have been stored iay for some time in ther old case. I also feel there is little point in cleaning their objectives if they have dust on them as this does not effect the image.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3411020 - 10/25/09 11:11 PM

General comments:

Clean optics as little as possible. Every time an optical element is cleaned, there is some risk of scratching it.

Saliva particles and fingerprints should be cleaned soon because of salt and acidity, but typical AR coatings on commercial optics products like cameras and binoculars are pretty robust, and it will be a long time before exposure to fingerprints or spit damages them. Just talking really does result in flying spit particles.

Blow off optics often with compressed canned air (upright position!), but clean as little as possible by wiping.

The main culprit in scratching from wiping is dust with minerals from dirt or sand that are as hard or harder than the coatings and the glass, that get trapped between the cleaning wipe and the lens. Never dry wipe. Blowing off really well before damp or wet wiping helps a lot to prevent scratching.

Sometimes "sleeks", tiny scratches, show up after cleaning by wiping, even though all precautions are taken. These will be visible with a bright light source, like a fiber light in reflection. If the sleeks are minor, I think that this has little affect when viewing astronomical objects in binoculars.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: medinabrit]
      #3413145 - 10/26/09 10:53 PM

Quote:

Some of you guys must live in a hospital clean vacuum.







It's interesting to see the spectrum of resposes!

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3413586 - 10/27/09 08:31 AM

Quote:

It's interesting to see the spectrum of resposes!




I was thinking about that. As I said, I've hardly ever cleaned my binoculars, but I won't hesitate to do so if needed. I've cleaned most of my telescope's eyepieces many times.

But I have my oldest pair of binos right next to me in the office, and as far as I can remember, I've never cleaned them. Maybe dusted off the lenses with a camel-hair brush at most. Yet the lenses look nearly pristine.

The fact that I *always* use them with glasses on eliminates any chance of eyelash grease. And I'm not in the habit of rubbing my fingers over the objectives.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Simon S]
      #3413682 - 10/27/09 09:27 AM

"Some of you guys must live in a hospital clean vacuum."

Love it! In the professional optics world I live in, we call these folks "Nit Noids."

EdZ says you should use common sense. But, as Mark Twain pointed out: "Common sense is the least common of all the senses."

This hobby has many facets. For some the thrill is in coming up with elaborate solutions to non-existant problems . . . Let them be happy!

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: BillC]
      #3415495 - 10/28/09 05:32 AM

well-what can you expect from us?

we are a group that likes to stay up all night looking a faint blobs of light
we are even a subgroup that has turned our backs on the telescope
and use binoculars
and in our spare time spend hours on CNs arguing trivia



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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #3415679 - 10/28/09 09:30 AM

Hey, I stooped to working for the army. But, once a curmudgeon always a curmudgeon. Methinks its genetic.

Sadly, I can't argue trivia as much as I would like. It's not that I mind making folks mad, I just can't type fast. Stroke, you know.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3422556 - 10/31/09 08:19 PM

Jeronimo,

First I want to apologize to you and to everyone else for the length of this reply: it's long, and hopefully not too boring!

This is an interesting topic (as is obvious by the number of replies!). It is one that never concerned me until last year. I've owned binoculars since 1969. I recall that I hardly ever cleaned any of them (optics). Over the past few years I've used my 1984-vintage Celestron Nova 10x50s quite extensively, mostly "out in the field" (I do a lot of railroad photography). I haven't exactly treated them with "kid gloves". I almost never use the lens caps (too inconvenient and too much risk of losing them). So yes, they get dirty. I've frequently resorted to the hot-breath blow/wipe the lenses with my shirt, etc. Yet I've apparently done no damage to the lenses. These binos are built like the proverbial tank. After discovering CN in late 2006 and reading up on binos I realized how dumb and potentially dangerous my lens-cleaning process was. Now I'm much more careful with the Celestrons.

I clean them fairly frequently, with my camera shop's lens fluid and Kodak lens-cleaning paper. These do a fine job. I first take one piece of lens paper, wet it with a few drops of the fluid, then clean each lens with a circular motion, starting from the center and working outward. Next I take a dry piece of lens paper, blow warm air on the lens, and repeat the circular cleaning motion. The only glitch is that this doesn't get the (now dried) fluid off the lens. So I repeat with a third lens tissue - blowing warm air and the circular wiping. This results in a nicely cleaned lens. I use the same equipment and technique on my camera lenses, producing the same result. As far as I can tell there is no damage to any of these lenses.

However, this was/is not the case with my Vixen ARK 16x80 binos. I bought these in early 2007, and they're delightful. But last Summer I noticed that, when viewing Jupiter, the image seemed a bit "smeared", and there was an increased amount of CA - twice what I'd seen when looking a Jupiter the previous Summer. My conclusion was that the lenses had gotten dirty - though I had no idea how. I am a smoker, and even though I keep the Vixens in their case in my bedroom (wherein I never smoke) and treat them like gold, I assumed that cigarette residue had nonetheless found its way into the case an onto the lenses (even though they were capped).

So I decided that they definitely needed a cleaning. As I described, my standard cleaning process works fine on my Celestron binos and my camera lenses. Not so with the Vixen lenses[!]. For the life of me I could not figure out why. What would happen was that when I did the warm-air blow/dry-tissue phase the lenses would begin to look "greasy". Something seemed to be putting some kind of residue on them. I could be wrong, but I suspected that it was skin oil from my finger "bleeding" through the lens tissue. Why wan't this occurring on my other equipment?

I tried twice to clean the Vixens and then gave up, not wanting to increase the risk of damaging the optical surfaces. Later it dawned on me (duh) that one thing I didn't own was a lens-cleaning cloth. I bought one from my camera shop, pulled out the Vixens, and did my usual cleaning routine on them, this time finishing up with the lens cloth. Suddenly the lenses once again appeared pristine, essentially the same as brand new. I was very pleased by this, and even more relieved. I had the Vixens out one night this August, and noticed a bit of CA on Jupiter, but different from what I'd seen previously (a kind of orange-ish fringe at the 4-5 o'clock and 7-8 o'clock positions). My conclusion was that my cleaning had really helped but that the lenses still weren't completely clean. Hmm. Yet when I swung the Vixens over about 30 degrees to view the just-past-half-full Moon I was very impressed. "Stunned" may be too strong of a word, but the view definitely gave me pause. Now, 16x isn't a heck of a lot, but I could clearly see the mountains, "seas", and craters. And I mean craters! A multitude of them. And absolutely no CA visible anywhere. The best word I can think of to describe the view is "stark". And "razor sharp". The detail was simply amazing. It was the most rewarding view of Luna I've ever had in my life; not just through the Vixens alone. This was when I took the seeing conditions much more into context as far as the view of Jupiter was concerned. I agree with many here on this forum: Jupiter is one of the most difficult objects to view satisfactorily. One reason (probably the main one) is that it is so darned bright! I can understand why folks recommend filters.

So, this is my detailed (probably too much) commentary on binocular optics cleaning. To me the most important event in years optics-wise was the purchase of the lens-cleaning cloth. A minor miracle, IMO.

Yet I still cannot fathom why my standard lens-cleaning process works fine for my other equipment but not for the Vixens.

Any ideas/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

All the best,

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Mike Rapchak]
      #3422773 - 10/31/09 10:24 PM

Hi Mike,

My guess is that perhaps, because the coatings are different, the lenses may be reacting differently to your cleaning. Just a guess though.

My advice is to do what works for you. Personally, I had to experiment a little until I learned what works for me. Now I stick with it vigorously to eliminate the variables.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3423279 - 11/01/09 07:28 AM

Mike ,

I have similar problems with one particular pair of eyeglasses ( one in 7 different pairs that I've had since 2003 ) .

The ones in question are non - tinted distance glasses with so - called " Pentax " lenses that have anti - glare AND anti- scratch additional coatings , and which I wear exclusively for driving in less than bright conditions .

I've never understood how the anti - glare feature can work if applied BEFORE the anti- scratch layers , or how the anti - scratch property can work if applied BEFORE the anti - glare layers -- but either way they have always been a nightmare to clean , have never really reduced glare to any noticeable level , and are now scratched ! :-)

I've found the only way I can them anywhere near " clean " is by brushing them lightly with a soft artists' paintbrush , then applying neat household mild washing - up liquid over both sides of the lenses , rubbing this gently in and all over with a clean microfibre cloth , then rinsing under the cold water tap , drying with kitchen roll , then wiping again with a clean dry microfibre cloth until all residue is removed .

Usually , within an hour of driving , they are showing smears again !

Kenny


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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #3423312 - 11/01/09 08:23 AM

Kenny when you say "drying with kitchen roll" is this what we call paper roll towels, you tear off a piece? If it is I used to scratch a lot of my plastic eye glasses with these without knowing it. These will scratch binocular lens caps. I use warm water on the lens first and then put dishwashing soap on and lightly clean with my fingers and then air dry a little bit and then use the microfibre cloth and haven't scratched any since, well except when I drop them or have something hit the lens when working. These have the AR coatings and scratch resistant coating as well. The AR coating are easy to smear I agree. Binoculars are different story, if water proof under warm water first and the same thing the rest. The running water moreorless gets rid of the dust etc., at least I hope.:-)

Kenny do you see two images of road signs at night? I used to in my old non AR coated glasses. Polycarbonate glasses, not the best but mostly get them to protect my eyes.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: mooreorless]
      #3423426 - 11/01/09 09:43 AM

Hi Steve ,

The " kitchen roll " is indeed the type of soft tissue paper from which square shaped sheets can be torn along perforated lines .

We use a very soft brand , so soft that it has images printed on it , of snowmen and teddy bears with blue bow ties playing yellow and red double bass guitars .

It's not very hard or abrasive -- in the absence of any fine sand paper , I once tried it to smooth down some rough soft woodwork prior to painting , and the tissue paper just disintegrated .

I believe that type of wood to be softer than glass !

At any rate , it's never scratched any of my other glasses in over six years of almost daily use !

Kenny

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #3423438 - 11/01/09 09:51 AM

Hi Kenny thanks for your reply. I was sort of shocked that this stuff that we have scratched the caps. I use soft brush and Zeiss wipes, lots of them to clean the binocular lens. I have noticed that you have to "wait" until the wipes are starting to dry before you can get a clear lens.

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: Jeronimo Cruz]
      #3431764 - 11/05/09 07:19 PM

Jeronimo,

Your suggestion is a possibility; yet I've never heard of such a thing. Could it be that different coatings could cause this? My Vixens have that beautiful deep greenish coating. My Celestrons also have it, but seemingly to a lesser degree (1984 coatings vs. 2007).

If this is truly the case, does this also happen with other current binos? Is anyone here aware of such a situation with their equipment? If this is the way it is, then so be it. However, I am still very concerned about possibly damaging the optics by cleaning that I would consider too rigorous and too frequent. My Vixens are, well, gorgeous, and I treat them accordingly - somewhat different than I've until recently treated my Celestrons (duh).

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Re: How often do you clean your bino lenses? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #3431789 - 11/05/09 07:34 PM

Kenny,

Many thanks for your reply. That is certanly odd about that particular pair of glasses of yours. Whether or not it relates to my Vixen situation I can't say.

Personally I would never use "kitchen roll"-type of paper to clean optics - at least not expensive ones. I do use paper towels - plus rubbing alcohol - to clean my cheap reading glasses. But I wouldn't use it on my binos or camera lenses. My impression is that this type of paper can leave micro-fine scratches on the glass. These scratches are so fine that they can't be readily observed visually. But they will eventually destroy an optic's resolution (sharpness) ability. This is why a lens-cleaning cloth is, IMO, a godsend.

Mike Rapchak Jr.


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