Pinewood
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Loc: 40.77638º N 73.982652 W
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Eyes centered
[Re: Neil Sanford]
#5257588 - 06/06/12 06:35 AM
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(1) IMHO the kidney-bean problem in the 8x32SE is not solved by getting the correct eye distance from the eye lens. You can get the perfect eye distance via extended eyecups, or an appropriate hold (more below), and then this: gently and naturally roll your eyes in the field of view and see prominent, distracting, black edges.
Hello Sanford,
Definitely, that is to be avoided with the 8x32 SE. When one uses the EII or many first quality binoculars, this is not a problem. In my case, I favor binoculars with FOV's wider than the SE, so I generally let my eyes wander around the field. In bird watching, this technique allows one to notice targets at the periphery. This technique does not require the field to be sharp to the edge, as color, mass or movement may be detected, even in a soft edge. This is one of the reasons I consider the SE to be unfriendly. I want a binocular to accommodate me, rather than I should accommodate the binocular.
Incidentally, on BirdForum, my comments were taken, by at least one owner of the SE, as criticism of the owner rather than of the the binocular. Among some bird watchers, this glass has taken on a cult like following. I am simply happy that there are enough binoculars on the market, including some vintage ones,to satisfy all sorts of personal tastes and needs.
Clear skies,
Arthur Pinewood
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FrankKD
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Pinewood]
#5258044 - 06/06/12 11:36 AM
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Having owned both the SE and the E II my experiences differ somewhat from the others posted. In my particular situation the E II does not offer enough eye relief while the SE is perfect. The difference in my case is my facial dimensions. I have relatively narrow-set eyes and a high bridge to my nose. Because of this I either require that a binocular have long eye relief or relatively narrow eyecups (so the ocular surface can be placed closer to my eyes).
Though the EII is a fabulous performer I have to completely remove the rubber eyecups in order to receive the full experience that so many others take for granted.
It was the only reason I sold mine several years ago.
I have never run into a problem with blackouts with the 8x32 SE. The only reason I sold my last one was because I found the Sightron SII (roof) to be more to my liking with similar optical performance levels.
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: FrankKD]
#5258180 - 06/06/12 12:27 PM
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Looks like I might not be getting them after all. Out of stock apparently! Bit disappointed...
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rydberg
scholastic sledgehammer
Reged: 02/25/04
Loc: Richmond, KY, USA
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5258826 - 06/06/12 06:23 PM
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Hi Simon:
It might not be ideal, but B&H photo claims a 7-14 days shipping time, and they do ship outside us.
Perhaps you may want to contact them.
LINK
Also Optics Planet claims to carry them, but I don't know what the stock situation is and if they ship outside US.
LINK
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Grimnir
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Reged: 04/28/10
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Re: Eyes centered
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#5259471 - 06/07/12 05:52 AM
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Rydberg,
Alas! I think we in the UK have to pay 20% VAT on optical goods imported from outside the EU. However I have PMd Simon on a reputable dealer who has them at a good price in the UK.
Graham
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Grimnir]
#5261521 - 06/08/12 08:40 AM
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Good news the 8x32 is on its way and should have it Sunday.
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5264799 - 06/10/12 02:02 PM
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Binoculars arrived this afternoon, and first thing that really stands out are how amazingly bright they are. Comparing them on a dull dingy day with my very best 8x30 binocular, the Leitz Binuxit The Nikon is much brighter and although the Leitz matches the Nikon on central sharpness, the Nikon is sharper towards the field stop than the Binuxit.
The blackout problem Pinewood complained about is just noticeable if the IPD is not correctly set. It does not seem to be associated with eye relief but more on a fairly critical eye placement.
I will carry out some more testing in good light but so far I am very impressed.
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Pinewood
Pooh-Bah
Reged: 12/07/04
Loc: 40.77638º N 73.982652 W
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5265004 - 06/10/12 04:37 PM
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Binoculars arrived this afternoon, and first thing that really stands out are how amazingly bright they are. Comparing them on a dull dingy day with my very best 8x30 binocular, the Leitz Binuxit The Nikon is much brighter and although the Leitz matches the Nikon on central sharpness, the Nikon is sharper towards the field stop than the Binuxit.
The blackout problem Pinewood complained about is just noticeable if the IPD is not correctly set. It does not seem to be associated with eye relief but more on a fairly critical eye placement.
I will carry out some more testing in good light but so far I am very impressed.
Hello Simon,
Modern coatings and an extra 2 mm of objective diameter make a huge difference in brightness. Additionally, the Binuxit probably has uncoated prisms. The Binuxit was introduced about 75 years, ago and updated with single coatings about ten years, later.
The Se has been described as a binocular with very good eyepieces.
Happy collecting,
Arthur
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Pinewood]
#5300153 - 07/03/12 03:46 AM
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Here is my review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyPQDhOehk4&list=UUlvsx_04l8H6aoHP4aL_4Xw&index=1&feature=plcp
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KennyJ
The British Flash
Reged: 04/27/03
Loc: Lancashire UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5300591 - 07/03/12 12:26 PM
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Very honest, well spoken and recorded,Simon.
Well done !
Kenny
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: KennyJ]
#5300652 - 07/03/12 01:35 PM
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Thank you Kenny.
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Mark9473
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Reged: 07/21/05
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5300984 - 07/03/12 05:26 PM
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I liked seeing how you handled it; sort of confirms that it's a bit too small for me. I like binoculars where my fingers don't extend forward of the objectives. Have you tried shooting a video through the binoculars?
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NDfarmer
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Reged: 04/02/09
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Mark9473]
#5301407 - 07/03/12 10:35 PM
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Mark:
Simon has produced a nice summary. Don't dismiss the 8x32 SE in any way. The optics are at the highest level. You
should try one. I find it to be my reference standard, by which I judge any binocular.
They are not an astronomy binocular, the other SE's are
better for that use as you may know, and I have them also.
Jerry
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RichD
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 11/08/07
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: NDfarmer]
#5301810 - 07/04/12 07:07 AM
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Lovely bino and a very interesting video, thanks for posting. The barrels are very short on them, do they feel at all "dinky" in the hand or do they sit nicely when holding them?
I still think about a 12x50 se occasionally, great line of binos.
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Mark9473
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Reged: 07/21/05
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: NDfarmer]
#5301819 - 07/04/12 07:21 AM
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Mark:
Simon has produced a nice summary. Don't dismiss the 8x32 SE in any way. The optics are at the highest level. You
should try one. I find it to be my reference standard, by which I judge any binocular.
They are not an astronomy binocular, the other SE's are
better for that use as you may know, and I have them also.
Jerry
I'm sure it's really nice but I don't see it replacing my 8x42 roof which has a better form factor, is waterproof and, more importantly, focusses closer.
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alsendk
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Mark9473]
#5302317 - 07/04/12 02:12 PM
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A very enjoyful Youtube video to watch Simon, and you are doing great in explaining the performance of the Nikon.
If I have understood correctly what the kidney been effect is about, then I really wonder why my 1926 years old 8x30 Goerz are so much better to look through,than my Kern/Leica swizz 8x30 ?
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
Reged: 01/07/07
Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: alsendk]
#5302352 - 07/04/12 02:27 PM
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Alsendk, all the early binoculars had poor eye relief, great for us if we don't wear spectacles. But as eye relief increases with better ocular design, so does the "Kidney beaning".
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Diter
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Simon S]
#5400720 - 09/03/12 08:55 AM
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Hello!
Nikon today has produced a series of binoculars Nikon 8x32 SE (Porro), or was it discontinued?
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Simon S
Carpal Tunnel
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Loc: Crawley West Sussex UK
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Re: Eyes centered
[Re: Diter]
#5400812 - 09/03/12 10:13 AM
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Diter this model is discontinued as far as I know, but you can still purchase them from various outlets.
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