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Andresin150
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What binocular would you like to own?
      #5548529 - 12/01/12 10:17 AM

Like the name of the post reads, It would be nice to know what binoculars, without restriction in price or size you'd like to own.

If the reasons are for actual experience or just because you hear a lot of good things about them is equally valid but would like you to express them.

For me, I would like to own the Swarovision 8x32, a perfectly portable size with more than astonishing reviews of experienced observers like Piergiovanni from Binomania.

I have an excellent experience with the 10x42ELs, but those are a bit heavy for long walks, I've been looking for a lighter pair and my dad has already kidnapped my Leica 8x20 that I have to admit I ultimately bought for him.

Apparently, the Swarovisons are a big step over the older EL's, and that have to be seen since the EL's are excellent.

On the other side, I don't know if I would buy them since I've already have the Docter Aspectem 40x80ED, but the 82mm Kowa Fluorites have been in my list for some time, I just wish they improve some specific details like their edge performance and a wider Afov set of eyepieces in the range of 30 to 40x. Unfortunately I have not had the pleasure to look trough a sample...


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5548635 - 12/01/12 11:42 AM

Given my current location, my want list only contains binoculars that are at least reasonably portable. You have me wanting the Docter Aspectem 40x80ED, although it first caught my eye over a year ago after finding it on an eBay sweep. I also have the Zeiss 20x60 S on my list since I really like the concept if image stabilization in a binocular. The Nikon 18x70 is another one that has my interest. There is a nice one on eBay right now but I'm not ready to commit to one at this point.

I've thought about some of the better BT offerings but I'm not really sold on the concept yet.

The Canon 10x42 IS already on my short list. I'm going to sell some stuff in order to raise the funds to get one. And as much as I love reading your impressions of the Fuji 40x150, I can't see myself using something as large as that. Not here in the burbs anyway. Maybe when I buy a home in the mountains...


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Erik Bakker
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5548640 - 12/01/12 11:45 AM

My Nikon 18x70 never fails to stun me.

And it is still very easy to carry and mount. Unbelievable performer.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5548645 - 12/01/12 11:48 AM

I have what I want (see below)
but if I started over
-SW 8x32EL SV
-Kowa Highlander

if I could only keep one that I have-the SW
my favorites are the miyauchi 5x32, miyauchi 100mm, leica 10+50
least used-vixon and miyauchi 22x60s
most used-zeiss

edj

Edited by edwincjones (12/01/12 11:56 AM)


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Andresin150
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5548662 - 12/01/12 11:59 AM

Guess we are on the same page Edwin...

Smark, beware of used Docter 40x80's. There was an older version that looks almost the same, but its Eps are different and have only 10mm of eye relief, so I would be very hard to take the whole Fov for many people or to use glasses. Also, there is a non ED version, so the color correction is not perfect. I say this because those Docters are a recent version, and I don't think there are too many used for sale. The things that make this Docters amazing are precisely the things that got changed for the new version...


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5548664 - 12/01/12 12:01 PM

I think I would love to get my hands on the Fuji 16x70s and the Canon IS 18x50s or 15x50s. Money no object , would love to explore with the Fuji 40x150s or to go to easy to carry maybe the EL 10x42...so many choices...have heard many good reviews from all of the above. I guess these could fill some gaps I have and go towards satiating my lust for some fine optics.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: richsvt]
      #5549075 - 12/01/12 04:43 PM

Prob the docter 40x80, are the ep's removable so thy can be used with a scope also?

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Andresin150
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: daniel_h]
      #5549080 - 12/01/12 04:47 PM

No Daniel, the eps are fixed, but you can buy the same eps for telescope use.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549090 - 12/01/12 05:00 PM

This really is a very difficult question - if no restriction on price then there are a lot I'd like to try!

Here are two that would be high on my list:
Zeiss 20x60IS - I've always liked hand-held viewing, and these are probably the ultimate pair for that.
an alpha 8x32 - ideal travel binocular; I'd still want to try before I buy.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549094 - 12/01/12 05:03 PM

Nikon 18x70 and Docter 40x80, both because I read such good things about them here.

I've bought a lot of new binoculars over the last year or two, most of them because I've read good things about them here on Cloudy Nights.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: plyscope]
      #5549129 - 12/01/12 05:31 PM

Fuji 45 deg. inclined 25 x 150 ED.

Nikon 18 x 70. I have prewar Zeiss 18 x 50mm Delfort, which is a Porro II. Good for quick moon/ Jupiter moon glances in a light polluted environment, with elbows braced on a cartop. But it is not coated, nor is it widefield.

Nikon 10 x 70 red stripe, at least for comparison with similar equipment.


Perhaps take the time/$$$$ to make/have made an erect image 2-mirror pseudo roof prism phantom roof ED or flourite f/6 or 6.5 , with (fixed) 90 to 100 deg deviation, 120 to 180mm. binocular refractor, probably with the unilateral IPD adjustment ff. WW II Zeiss 25 x 100 or 12 x 60, but not neccessarily with real time ( to simplify construction) 2:1 eyepiece-"prism" linkage IPD mechanism.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Gordon Rayner]
      #5549404 - 12/01/12 09:07 PM

My needs are humble: a Pentax PCF WP 16x60.
I have been trying to locate one for years. I wish Pentax would reintroduce this version.

Chris


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Tamiji Homma
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549426 - 12/01/12 09:32 PM

Miyauchi BR-141 90 degree visual back.

I hope they come back some day.

Tammy


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: charen]
      #5549441 - 12/01/12 09:47 PM

Quote:

My needs are humble: a Pentax PCF WP 16x60.
I have been trying to locate one for years. I wish Pentax would reintroduce this version.

Chris




And it wouldn't cost a lot, maybe. I'd get one faster than the blink of an eye.

Here's what I would like to own:

Nikon 12x50 SE or Swarovski EL Swarovision 12x50

And if someone gave me a Swarovski SLCnew 15x56 WB, I think I could manage.

In conclusion, an old friend told me the truth: "Aging eyes need good optics!"


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #5549480 - 12/01/12 10:27 PM

Being 100% realistic....

Zeiss 20x60 IS


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Mapleton]
      #5549718 - 12/02/12 01:19 AM

A Nikon. Some kind of Nikon. I don't have a Nikon. I NEED a Nikon!
Ron


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549755 - 12/02/12 02:32 AM

All the latest and greatest of zeiss and swaros .

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: teelgul]
      #5549783 - 12/02/12 03:57 AM

If there were such a model as a Nikon 15x60 SE,with the same AFOV as the existing models,with around 17mm of eye-relief, I would be very happy to own one.

Kenny


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Simon S
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: KennyJ]
      #5549801 - 12/02/12 04:32 AM

I think a Nikon prostar would be one of my wants, but the Nikon 18x70 looks more usable with higher magnification.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549819 - 12/02/12 05:26 AM

About the only models that I kind of find tempting at the moment are the Swarovski 10x50 ELs, 10x42 ELs or the new Zeiss 10x42 HTs. However, given their high cost and the fact that these would just be nice-to-haves and not must-haves, and given the other binoculars that I currently have, I doubt if I'll if I'll get one. I'm pretty content with the set I have now.

John Finnan


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5549832 - 12/02/12 06:15 AM

Quote:

Like the name of the post reads, It would be nice to know what binoculars, without restriction in price or size you'd like to own.




Canon IS 15x50. Of all possible instruments I could buy, it's probably the one that would open most new options. But it's currently selling for 2X the price where I would be willing to consider it seriously, and 3X the price where buying it would be a no-brainer.

I would also love to buy an instrument that as far as I can tell doesn't exist at all -- the optical equivalent of a Kunming 15x70, but with eyepieces and an IPD that make it possible for me to use it.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #5549859 - 12/02/12 06:55 AM

I'd love to own an observatory in a rural area with a pair of the Fuji 25x150s. M42 under a dark sky must be incredible with those things.

Handheld, I have my favourites already in the shape of a Fuji 10x50 fmt and a NIKON 12x50 se.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: RichD]
      #5549890 - 12/02/12 07:43 AM

Quote:

..... under a dark sky must be incredible with those things.




under dark enough skies, almost any binocular would be better than what we have with our/most of our, LP skies

edj


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5550002 - 12/02/12 09:27 AM

What binocular would I like to own?It would also be the bin I would own and if I could only have one in my collection.It would have to be the Swarovski EL 8.5x42 SwaroVision.I tried one once and have been smitten ever since.Unfortunately I doubt if I could ever afford one.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Albie]
      #5550112 - 12/02/12 10:40 AM

My first choice is the 10x42 Swarovision.

But my next choice would be a hypothetical 14x70 Fujinon FMT that is a scaled up version of the 10x50, with a wide apparent field and long eye relief.

George


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Andresin150
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: George9]
      #5550149 - 12/02/12 11:12 AM

I've also wanted the fujinon 150mm D/N, but to use it with Docter 12.5 mm UWA Eps, something like a 60x150ED

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5550357 - 12/02/12 01:35 PM Attachment (43 downloads)

Really? Price is no object? I guess I just dream bigger....

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Stacy]
      #5550533 - 12/02/12 03:25 PM

Stacy,

nice pair of binoculars
but
maintance may be high

edj


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5550640 - 12/02/12 04:29 PM

An updated Sard 6x42 with modern coatings would be nice!

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RichD
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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: brentwood]
      #5550679 - 12/02/12 05:05 PM

Yes, or a true widefield 7x50 with a 10 degree field like the mark 41.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: RichD]
      #5550752 - 12/02/12 05:50 PM

The Docter Aspectem 40x80ED would be the next binoculars I would like to own. On a regular basis though, I have a problem using the binoculars that I have now.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: OpalescentNebula]
      #5551218 - 12/02/12 10:53 PM

40 x 150 fujinon.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: marcelof]
      #5551386 - 12/03/12 01:58 AM

the bino's i created are my favourite.2 x skywatcher 6 inch refractors,with baader prism diagonals.the images it produces with denkmeir d14 eyepieces is nearly the equal of my doctor aspectums.but the doc's produce perfect colour free images,where as the skywatchers show some colour.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Mapleton]
      #5551466 - 12/03/12 03:26 AM

Quote:

Being 100% realistic....

Zeiss 20x60 IS




Being 100% unrealistic:

A binocular telescope consisting of two NP-101s...

Jon


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5551555 - 12/03/12 06:22 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Being 100% realistic....

Zeiss 20x60 IS




Being 100% unrealistic:

A binocular telescope consisting of two NP-101s...

Jon





why limit the unrealistic?

a few years ago I say a photo of tow D&G 6" scopes mounted as a BT at the WSP,
but I would rather have two 6" Taks

edj


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: edwincjones]
      #5551563 - 12/03/12 06:37 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Being 100% realistic....

Zeiss 20x60 IS




Being 100% unrealistic:

A binocular telescope consisting of two NP-101s...

Jon





why limit the unrealistic?

a few years ago I say a photo of tow D&G 6" scopes mounted as a BT at the WSP,
but I would rather have two 6" Taks

edj




The problem with making a Binocular telescope with the NP-101s would be dealing the the rear elements. The distance from the rear Petzval to the focal plane is very short and with a 4 inch tube, some sort of staggered arrangement is necessary. It might be possible to find a way to fit it all together with a reduced tube diameter after a 90 degree mirror, depending on the size of the rear elements.

Jon


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5551664 - 12/03/12 08:45 AM

Quote:

The problem with making a Binocular telescope with the NP-101s would be dealing the the rear elements. The distance from the rear Petzval to the focal plane is very short and with a 4 inch tube, some sort of staggered arrangement is necessary. It might be possible to find a way to fit it all together with a reduced tube diameter after a 90 degree mirror, depending on the size of the rear elements.




Hi Jon,

It depends on how you make the binoscope.
There are interesting binoscopes out there with Televue 101/127/140 using Matsumoto-san EMS visual back.

Televue 140 (this must be one of a kind :
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/wengler3-j.htm

NP 127:
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/kuroki-j.htm

NP 101:
http://sky.geocities.jp/sougankyousuki/pg74.html

Here is more
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/user-j.htm

Tammy


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5551763 - 12/03/12 10:10 AM

Quote:

Quote:

The problem with making a Binocular telescope with the NP-101s would be dealing the the rear elements. The distance from the rear Petzval to the focal plane is very short and with a 4 inch tube, some sort of staggered arrangement is necessary. It might be possible to find a way to fit it all together with a reduced tube diameter after a 90 degree mirror, depending on the size of the rear elements.




Hi Jon,

It depends on how you make the binoscope.
There are interesting binoscopes out there with Televue 101/127/140 using Matsumoto-san EMS visual back.

Televue 140 (this must be one of a kind :
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/wengler3-j.htm

NP 127:
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/kuroki-j.htm

NP 101:
http://sky.geocities.jp/sougankyousuki/pg74.html

Here is more
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/user-j.htm

Tammy




Tammy:



Those are very interesting. Do you know more about the EMS-L optics?

Jon


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5551824 - 12/03/12 10:55 AM

Back to OP's question, Miyauchi Binon 5x32 or 2nd choice 7x50. "state of the art" wide field handheld. Of these two, I think the 5x would be more distinct in the views offered especially under dark skies, compared to a good 10x handheld.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5551827 - 12/03/12 10:57 AM

Hi Jon,

Yes, I studied Matssumoto-san EMS work. I think EMS-L is now EMS-UL (Ultimate L, silver coated mirror).

Light path is 150mm, image circle 38mm. I forgot mirror size but I believe newer version has large enough to deal with f/5 light cone.

He has good introduction written in English:

http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/mazmoto/intro-e.htm

Tammy


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Tamiji Homma]
      #5551863 - 12/03/12 11:18 AM

For terrestrial use, a pre-war Carl Zeiss Jena Deltarem 8 x 40 with modern coatings.

For handheld astro use, the 65 degree AFOV Nikon 10 x 70.

For tripod use, I'm with Tammy: it'd have to be the Miyauchi BR-141 with 90 degree inclined eyepieces.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5551907 - 12/03/12 11:55 AM

handheld astro:
Zeiss Victory 10x56

handheld terrestrial:
Leica Ultravid 10x50

handheld astro/terrestrial image stabilized:
Zeiss 20x60 S, or Canon 10x42 L IS / Canon 10x50 IS

tripod astro:
Kowa Highlander Fluorite 32x82 (have it already and would buy it again)

tripod terrestrial:
Docter Aspectem 80/500 ED

tripod astro observatory:
Fujinon 25x150 ED or 40x150 ED



Stephan


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5552149 - 12/03/12 02:26 PM

Quote:

Being 100% unrealistic:

A binocular telescope consisting of two NP-101s...

Jon




There is a fellow in Germany with two TV 140s. You have to think big.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: planetmalc]
      #5552160 - 12/03/12 02:32 PM

I have a Deltar, the IF version of the widefield prewar 8 x 40 with tapered prism ( uncoated). You would prefer the 8 x 50B Super Nobilem from DDR Carl Zeiss Jena, which I missed buying when they were available, and only saw about six years ago in a massive collector's (RIP) hoard.

The Deltar field, while very wide, and good in the center, deteriorates with increasing angle before modern eyepiece designs. The Deltar/Deltarem have an orthoscopic 4-element eyepiece. The inner surface of the eyelens is an asphere. The design was by Albert Koenig. A very similar eyepiece is in the WW II Zeiss 25 x 100 with 60 deg inclination.

There is a Deltar aberration plot , and for the cited 8 x 50B Nobilem, (in Zemax(?)What is the program?) At the Albrecht Koehler website www.AlbrechtKoehler.de

The 65 deg Nikon 10 x 70, from the 1970s, did not have modern multicoatings , and was less sharp than the standard field 10 x 70's which came later, and the 7 x 50 Fuji Meibo which I had at the same time on the boat, about ten each, new . Those 7 x 50 ( no rubber "armor" nor any brittle glue)cost about $70,maybe $100, IIRC. The 65 deg was heavy ( that is OK by me), and had cold metal on the nose, as I recall. My specimen, long gone, cost me under $200 in Yokohama in 1975. I used it to watch the albatrosses en route to San Pedro on American President lines, as an unpaid oceanographic temperature monitoring technician. A lady had one for sale at RTMC a few years ago. I was tempted, but passed on it, because of duplication of function at that magnification and aperture range, and no neck relief for astro with a straight binoc, without a p-mount, and they would be heavy for prolonged use handheld while one is resting on a recliner. That 10 x 70 has noticeably less color error than the WW II Nikko wide field (uncoated) 10 x 70, but more than the cited Fuji Meibo 7 x 50.

It would be welcome if Nikon were to re-offer that model, but improved as suggested.

Edited by Gordon Rayner (12/03/12 06:15 PM)


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5552691 - 12/03/12 07:47 PM

If I could afford it 45 or 90 deg 150mm Garrett binos w/ removable 2"/1.25" eyepieces.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Gordon Rayner]
      #5555386 - 12/05/12 10:00 AM

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I have a Deltar, the IF version of the widefield prewar 8 x 40 with tapered prism ( uncoated). You would prefer the 8 x 50B Super Nobilem from DDR Carl Zeiss Jena, which I missed buying when they were available, and only saw about six years ago in a massive collector's (RIP) hoard.

The Deltar field, while very wide, and good in the center, deteriorates with increasing angle before modern eyepiece designs. The Deltar/Deltarem have an orthoscopic 4-element eyepiece. The inner surface of the eyelens is an asphere. The design was by Albert Koenig. A very similar eyepiece is in the WW II Zeiss 25 x 100 with 60 deg inclination.

There is a Deltar aberration plot , and for the cited 8 x 50B Nobilem, (in Zemax(?)What is the program?) At the Albrecht Koehler website www.AlbrechtKoehler.de

The 65 deg Nikon 10 x 70, from the 1970s, did not have modern multicoatings , and was less sharp than the standard field 10 x 70's which came later, and the 7 x 50 Fuji Meibo which I had at the same time on the boat, about ten each, new . Those 7 x 50 ( no rubber "armor" nor any brittle glue)cost about $70,maybe $100, IIRC. The 65 deg was heavy ( that is OK by me), and had cold metal on the nose, as I recall. My specimen, long gone, cost me under $200 in Yokohama in 1975. I used it to watch the albatrosses en route to San Pedro on American President lines, as an unpaid oceanographic temperature monitoring technician. A lady had one for sale at RTMC a few years ago. I was tempted, but passed on it, because of duplication of function at that magnification and aperture range, and no neck relief for astro with a straight binoc, without a p-mount, and they would be heavy for prolonged use handheld while one is resting on a recliner. That 10 x 70 has noticeably less color error than the WW II Nikko wide field (uncoated) 10 x 70, but more than the cited Fuji Meibo 7 x 50.

It would be welcome if Nikon were to re-offer that model, but improved as suggested.



Thanks for that, Gordon. I already have a Deltar which used to be my main terrestrial binocular, but at my age (about to turn 70) I can no longer accomodate across a large range of object distance, hence my desire for the centre-focusing Deltarem variant. In the meantime, I'm using the oft-maligned (but not by me) Bushnell Xtrawide 7 x 32 instead.

I also have the Carl Zeiss Jena 8 x 50 Nobilem Super that you mention, but find the ergonomics to be awful (unlike the Deltar which seems like it was tailor-made for me). I have smallish hands with short fingers, and the Nobilem seems to be completely the wrong shape for me to hold properly. Great to look through, though.

Yes, a Nikon widefield 10 x 70 with modern coatings would be great, and I can imaginee quite a few CN-ers splashing out on them.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5563398 - 12/10/12 12:20 AM

I've always wanted to own a pair of 30x80 binos, but didn't want to spend a fortune since I have so much money invested in my 2 scopes and binoviewer, and I also did not want a pair that weighs close to 10 pounds becasue I didn't think my Paragon mount could handle it.
I finally bought a pair of Barska X-trail 30x80s. I was expecting them to arrive poorly collimated, and/or with the lenses inadequately coated and thus having annoying reflections, etc.
Turns out, this is a very nice pair of bincoluars. They weight less than 5 pounds. Collimation is good and optics are adequate. A mag of 30 looking at the moon, the sun (I have solar filters), Jupiter, Albireo etc. makes a huge difference over my previously largest binos which are 20x80s. The 30x80s are "a trip' to use.
Of course, at that much power, you need a good tripod and a little bit of experience in holding your head steady while viewing. Putting vibration isolaters on the tripod and viewing while seated in an adjustable chair helps me achieve a steady image and comfortable viewing. I also discovered that the viewing with the eyecups folded down is necessary to avoid feeling like you are looking through 2 tunnels. This is true with or without glasses on.
If you love big binos like I do but can't spend a lot, and if you can view in the manner described above , consider trying a pair of these binos, since the cost is only about $130 from Binocluars.com and others.
That recommendation is based on my pair arriving with good collimation. If you buy a pair and they arrive poorly collimated, send them back! Nothing worse than a poorly collimated pair of binos.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: gcfboulder]
      #5585338 - 12/23/12 10:28 AM

Hello!

Kowa Highlander Fluorite 32x82
Docter Aspectem 40x80ED,

One of these should be great !!!

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: MigL]
      #5590083 - 12/26/12 06:15 PM

120mm, 90º, BA8, changeable EPs, on a GOTO Fork Mount. Portable/transportable.
[with no loss of aperture]


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Space Dragon]
      #5590650 - 12/27/12 01:41 AM

Kowa Highlanders. I had only to look through them once, at an out-cropping of landscaping to find myself 'gob-smacked' by the image. gob-smacked!!!

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: camvan]
      #5591325 - 12/27/12 03:09 PM

Kowa Highlanders.

Fuji 40x150 right angle


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Sgt]
      #5591348 - 12/27/12 03:20 PM

Garrett® 100mm F/5.3 45º Mk II Binocular Telescope

https://www.garrettoptical.com/Garrett-100mm-Binocular-Telescope-p/gt100-45.htm

The reason I would like to own them is not based on personal experience, but a desire to use them for long range terrestrial observing.


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Sgt]
      #5591349 - 12/27/12 03:20 PM

The pair locked in the captains quarters on the Titanic.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Simon S]
      #5591805 - 12/27/12 08:49 PM

Fujinon 10 X 50 for handhelds.

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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: timfiskwa]
      #5592192 - 12/28/12 06:51 AM

Maybe a 110 mm BA8 series.

And then again..the bulk and weight keep putting me off. But the aperture is so very temtping...


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Sgt]
      #5594727 - 12/29/12 05:06 PM

You would like a Fuji 40 x 150 right angle. Such a specimen has not existed, correct?

I had use of a Fuji 25 x 150 right angle , as a demonstrator, for about the or three months, during the pre-Halley's comet sales push . It weighed about the same, some 65 pounds, as the straight view, trunnioned fork mounted Fuji I (my terminology)straight view widely used for fishing , mounted with thick bungee cords to isolate from engine vibration and some of the pitch and roll of the boats.

The right angle 25 x 150 had noticeable drop in field illumination, in comparison with the straight view. The pentaprism which fed the Porro II (same Porro II as in the straight view) seemed to be the maximum size which would fit without major changes in the body casting and departures from the f/5 objectives. Also, conveniently, that pentaprism was already used in a Japanese armored vehicle, I was told by a Fuji mechanical designer.

The Chinese semi-copies, and much smaller right angle penta feeding Porro II have appeared in the past few years have had problems , probably related to the topic just mentioned.
Smaller Chinese right angle view have shown non-circular exit pupils from asymmetric beam chopoffs in the prisms.

The glass path in a penta plus Porro II is very long. The semi-penta (plus Porro II), used in some 45 deg. inclined view 150mm. Chinese versions, has a shorter glass path.

Are there any Fuji 45 deg inclined 150mm ED outside Japan or the one widely known specimen in Europe? Can we get together a 5-piece minimum order?

Addendum 12/31/2012 :

A PM from the owner and user of a Fuji 45 deg. inclined view 25 x 150 ED indicates that it uses a Schmidt roof prism feeding a rhomboid, ff. WW II Japanese 45 deg inclined 20 x 120 by NIKKO, TOKO, etc., which show roof edge spikes when viewing Sirius, rather than a half-penta feeding a Porro II.

I have or had an 80mm WW II Japanese shipboard binoc, with spring suspension mount, which is half-Penta plus Porro II.

I have never seen a Fuji 45 deg inclined 25 x 150. Schmidt roof prism plus rhomboid was my guess, until Glenn LeDrew converted me, from consideration of external body configuration in the prisms housings , to the view that it uses a half-penta ( one surface metallized, rather that the two in a full 90 deg. pentaprism ) feeding a Porro II.

But, presently, that idea seems erroneous, from the cited testimony.


Edited by Gordon Rayner (12/31/12 03:32 PM)


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Re: What binocular would you like to own? new [Re: Gordon Rayner]
      #5595046 - 12/29/12 07:58 PM

If fictional instruments are accepted then I would settle for a modest non existent Fujinon 20x100. Quite acceptable without 45° by the way.

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