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m00nless
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Celestron 15x70 Cavalry
      #5617201 - 01/11/13 12:34 PM

What would be the quality of the new Celestron 15x70 Cavalry binoculars? I see they are not used available, but they seem like a significant improvement over the 15x70 SkyMaster.

http://www.celestron.com/sports_outdoors/celestron-cavalry-15x70-binocular.html


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Rich V.
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #5617309 - 01/11/13 01:44 PM

Well, they are waterproof/fogproof/N2 purged say the specs. The Cavalry have a slightly wider FOV spec and different close focus than the Skymasters as well; maybe a difference in optical components between the two? Perhaps we'll hear more about them in the near future.

There's no track record so you won't know if they have a better chance of being collimated than the Skymasters or not. Are they still actually 63mm effective aperture like the Skymasters and similar "15x70s" sold by other vendors? I'd like to know that as well.

Rich


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Rich V.]
      #5617543 - 01/11/13 04:19 PM

Looks like the Skymasters with a face lift,DA.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5617580 - 01/11/13 04:50 PM

http://www.celestron.com/sports_outdoors/series/cavalry/?cat=67

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5617664 - 01/11/13 05:52 PM

It seems to have taken quite a while for this Cavalry to have finally arrived under this brand. Given the specs. compared with the Skymaster,it's understandable that dealers would be charging quite a lot more for the Cavalry.

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BillC
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5617677 - 01/11/13 05:59 PM

Quote:

Looks like the Skymasters with a face lift,DA.




That happens a lot in optics. Still worse is that people sometimes flock to a name, when whose who WORK for that name did nothing more the re-direct the boxes from Asia.

BillC


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: KennyJ]
      #5618728 - 01/12/13 10:14 AM

Quote:

It seems to have taken quite a while for this Cavalry to have finally arrived under this brand. Given the specs. compared with the Skymaster,it's understandable that dealers would be charging quite a lot more for the Cavalry.




Searching the web, it doesn't seem like anyone is selling them yet. They seem to be aimed at the law enforcement and military market, hopefully they are solid binoculars. The 10x50's $100...

Jon


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m00nless
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5627988 - 01/17/13 12:26 PM

I have not seen other 15x70 binoculars that are waterproof/fogproof/nitrogen purged and so lightweight (only 1381 g). This alone makes them interesting to try.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #5628004 - 01/17/13 12:35 PM

If you check the specs of premium 15x70 binoculars, all are waterproof/fog proof/nitrogen purged, etc, all have BAK4 prisms, fully multi coated optics....
Why are then the huge price differences? You really think than a Celestron 15x70 will perform equally than a Fujinon? or a Zeiss?
There are a lot more things to consider.
Search in the best of threads an article from EDZ:
"if they look the same what could be different?", just to get started in the idea....

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/71821/pa...


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Andresin150
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5628028 - 01/17/13 12:44 PM

FWIW, my best "sales man" (when I was selling some BA8 binoculars, just for the fun of it...) was a Celestron 15x70 a friend left me here.
Explaining all the stuff that makes a good or premium optic different from a cheap one is not easy for me, at least not in few words or minutes, so the best test was to simply make them observe trough the Celestron's, then trough the BA8's, and finally to some of my premium quality binoculars.
So, as always, if you can test some vs others you can make a better judgment....
It was a pity when the Celestron's left... sales dropped too... Now I know there is another good use for them apart from paper weighting


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m00nless
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Andresin150]
      #5628065 - 01/17/13 01:04 PM

Personally I like to hand hold binoculars, so premium heavy binoculars are not for me. I have been looking for 15x70 binoculars with these features (waterproof/fog proof/nitrogen purged), so if the price is fair I would give these a try when they become available.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #5629956 - 01/18/13 01:35 PM

As several of my local stores are flooded with the Skymaster 15x70,s discounted to $50 I wonder if the Skymaster is being discontinued and replaced with the Cavalry??,DA.

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Riddick
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5698030 - 02/24/13 10:40 AM

These are no longer listed on the celestron website, I wonder what happened to them.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Riddick]
      #5698103 - 02/24/13 11:20 AM

Quote:

These are no longer listed on the celestron website, I wonder what happened to them.




The Celestron Cavalry 15x70 is on the web site along with the Skymasters.

Rich


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Riddick
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Rich V.]
      #5698114 - 02/24/13 11:29 AM

Quote:

Quote:

These are no longer listed on the celestron website, I wonder what happened to them.




The Celestron Cavalry 15x70 is on the web site along with the Skymasters.

Rich




That link redirects me to the Sports and Outdors section, I don't see the Cavalry listed anywhere.

Edited by Riddick (02/24/13 11:30 AM)


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Rich V.
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Riddick]
      #5698137 - 02/24/13 11:47 AM

Don't know what to say; the link works fine for me. It takes me directly to the Cavalry 15x70.

Try this: under "Binoculars" in "Sports and Outdoors", go to page 3. It's right there...

Rich


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KennyJ
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Riddick]
      #5698138 - 02/24/13 11:47 AM

Strange!

The Cavalry was right there in the Binoculars section ( top left )when I clicked the link provided by Rich.

Kenny


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Riddick
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: KennyJ]
      #5698198 - 02/24/13 12:38 PM

It is a mistery, I tried two diferent browsers, deleted cookies, cache and even reseted the modem. I can't see them listed through that link nor even through the celestron home page.

This is what I get:






Anyway, thanks for replying.


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KennyJ
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Riddick]
      #5698326 - 02/24/13 01:59 PM

The plot thickens!

The Cavalry has indeed suddenly completely disappeared,presumably over the horizon !

It was right there about 2 hours ago.

Kenny


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: KennyJ]
      #5698416 - 02/24/13 02:53 PM

Quote:

The Cavalry has indeed suddenly completely disappeared,presumably over the horizon !

It was right there about 2 hours ago.




The Calvary is still listed on the USA website.


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: hallelujah]
      #5698555 - 02/24/13 04:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

The Cavalry has indeed suddenly completely disappeared,presumably over the horizon !

It was right there about 2 hours ago.




The Calvary is still listed on the USA website.





Yup! Preorder with shipping in March. And a cute 360° viewer.


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m00nless
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Man in a Tub]
      #5708243 - 03/02/13 06:49 AM

Now http://www.celestron.com/sports_outdoors/celestron-cavalry-15x70-binocular.html does not work for me either and it redirects to http://www.celestron.com/sports_outdoors where I can't find the Celestron 15x70 Cavalry.

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Rich V.
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #5708651 - 03/02/13 11:55 AM

Both those links work fine for me; with the second one, clicking on the binoculars heading brings me right to the page the Cavalrys are listed on.

I'd check your browser settings; there doesn't appear to be a problem with the URLs.

Rich


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m00nless
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Rich V.]
      #5708726 - 03/02/13 12:30 PM

I am quite sure that it was not working a few hours ago. Anyway, it is now and an ADD TO CART button has been added to the page and the price is listed as $159.95.

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m00nless
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #6045174 - 08/25/13 01:17 PM

Has anyone tried these binoculars now that they are available? I am curious to know if they are any better than the 15x70 SkyMaster.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #6048643 - 08/27/13 11:35 AM

Yes I have, a demo model, a few hours into the first day of an astronomy show. By the time I got hold of it, Joe Public had already knocked it a bit out of collimation, but I could tell that the images were nice. It's amazingly light for a largish rubber-armoured binocular. I wouldn't risk buying one I hadn't inspected, but if I ever found a good one in a shop, I'd buy it.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: planetmalc]
      #6049089 - 08/27/13 03:26 PM

I tried the 15x70 Cavalry at the Celestron booth at a local star party, the rep told me this, against the Skymaster 15x70 they have the following upgrades, water and fog proof, better quality prisms and lenses, the coatings are fully multi coatings as against fully coated. Compared with my standard Skymasters they did throw up a brighter image as best as I could tell, DA.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: Binojunky]
      #6087270 - 09/18/13 02:24 AM

I bought the 15x70 cavalry as a cheap pair of beaters for winter because i won't dare use my canon 12x36IS in winter.
Comparing between the two models, the canon are much nicer.
They have a larger field of view, better space between the eyes, better eyecups, a better experience.

Of course they are 5 times more expensive too but their objectives lenses are almost half the size and still you don't see twice as much with the celestron. Going back and forth I failed to see any difference in the number of stars seen.
The only good thing about the celestron in my limited 2 days experience is the better color of the red stars. Betelgeuse and Aldabaran and blood red which I liked.
The Canon show just a slight red twinkle.

So beaters they will be!


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: deadspace]
      #6092820 - 09/21/13 03:00 AM

More experience with them.
They are very good. I like them a lot!
They balance so well that I won't need to buy a tripod for them even though I have rather shaky hands. I can keep them steady by holding them near the objectives and by resting my elbows on my knees. I just saw 3 moons from Jupiter. Stars are very colorful, much more so than with my Canon.
Much less flaring on bright objects too. A bit of purple around Jupiter but no big deal. Stars remain sharp until about 3/4 from the edge or so but again no big deal.
if they can keep their collimation, then they are really a great buy.


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planetmalc
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: deadspace]
      #6093210 - 09/21/13 11:14 AM

Quote:

I bought the 15x70 cavalry as a cheap pair of beaters for winter because i won't dare use my canon 12x36IS in winter.
Comparing between the two models...........Going back and forth I failed to see any difference in the number of stars seen.





Did you do a comparison using DSO's as targets?


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deadspace
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: planetmalc]
      #6093364 - 09/21/13 12:40 PM

My experience with them is still very limited and and last night was a poor session with the bright moon at zenith and some cloud. Plus there's a lot of light pollution where I live. With my Canon the only DSO I can see is Andromeda as a small faint puff of light.

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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: m00nless]
      #6093491 - 09/21/13 01:55 PM

Quote:

Has anyone tried these binoculars now that they are available? I am curious to know if they are any better than the 15x70 SkyMaster.




There are two reviews on the Amazon site.

Cavalry reviews

They are in a dead heat one pro and one con. Like the Skymaster I believe they are a krap shoot. Collimation issues again. Apparently they have not remedied the Skymaster Achilles heel and not beefed up the prism mounting system.


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deadspace
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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: ScumotheUniverse]
      #6105165 - 09/28/13 12:41 AM

Lol the strap on the carrying case just broke.
Even my $50 bushnell has a better case than this.


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Re: Celestron 15x70 Cavalry new [Re: deadspace]
      #6108406 - 09/29/13 11:08 PM

The 15x70 cavalry are now my #1 bins. I was wrong earlier: they do show twice as much as my 12x36 Canon. Even when the IS is engaged they are clearly inferior at astronomy.
I wish I could delete my first post on these.

Edited by deadspace (09/29/13 11:11 PM)


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