Return to the Cloudy Nights Telescope Reviews home pageAstronomics discounts for Cloudy Nights members
Get a Cloudy Nights T-Shirt Submit a Review / Article

Click here if you are having trouble logging into the forums

Privacy Policy | Please read our Terms of Service | Signup and Troubleshooting FAQ | Problems? PM a Red or a Green Gu uh, User

Equipment Discussions >> Binoculars

Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all)
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Advice on Zeiss Binoculars
      #5625621 - 01/16/13 03:51 AM

I want to hear the user experiences on Zeiss Conquest 10x56 T binoculars. Request members to share their experience.

Regards,
Umasuthan.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mark9473
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/21/05

Loc: 51N 4E
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5625648 - 01/16/13 05:05 AM

Welcome to the forum. I don't think these have ever been discussed here, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that somebody has some information for you.

In the tradition of this forum I'm sure we'd like to offer some advice on binoculars, so if you can tell us what it is you intend to use them for, that would be helpful. I don't think Zeiss Conquest would rank among the first choices for astronomy.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Mark9473]
      #5625681 - 01/16/13 06:16 AM

Hi Mark, Thanks for the reply. Primary purpose is for astronomy. I am looking for a light weight (less than a kg) equipment. You had mentioned that Zeiss Conquest may not be ideal for astronomy. Any alternatives that you can suggest?

Thanks so much


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mark9473
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/21/05

Loc: 51N 4E
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5625726 - 01/16/13 07:36 AM

Well if you say lightweight then I am thinking this will be for hand-held use. Then typically you will get the advice to go for 8x binoculars, because they're just so much more stable. I think 8.5x magnification is the ideal trade-off magnification between steadiness and detail.

Personally I use even my 15x60 mostly hand-held but I've had years of getting used to it.

Do you currently have any other binoculars?

In general the main consideration for handholding is the magnification, the lower the better, but for the weight it's actually the opposite. Higher weight dampens down the shakes a bit.

The best 10x binoculars for astronomy would be the Fujinon 10x50. BTW this is a porro binocular (avoids the diffraction spike you'll see on bright objects with roof prism binoculars such as the Conquest). It is however an IF model (individual focus at each eyepiece, instead of a central focus wheel) and is quite heavy. The Nikon SE series have also received high praise, they come in 10x42 and 12x50 (and 8x32 which is more for birders) and are a CF porro.

I think for further advice we'll need to know your budget, your preference on CF or IF, whether or not you wear glasses, the quality of your sky, the size of your eye pupils at night, the distance between your eyes (IPD) ... I could come up with a few more.

Here's some reading material for you:
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1770
and there's several more where that came from.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Mark9473]
      #5625755 - 01/16/13 08:26 AM

Thanks again. I am using an Olympus 10x50 entry level one. I was considering Canon 15x50 All Weather IS model originally. Since Zeiss is good in their optics I was considering Zeiss also. My budget is around 1.5 to 2K USD. I do wear glasses.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Mark9473
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 07/21/05

Loc: 51N 4E
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5625943 - 01/16/13 10:29 AM

The Canon 15x50 would be a huge upgrade with regard to what you can see in the sky, on account of its higher magnification. In comparison, upgrading to a top quality 10x binocular is more about seeing "better" and not so much "more".

I would encourage you to reconsider the Canon 15x50. Otherwise in your situation I would probably pick the Nikon SE 12x50.

Zeiss has good optics but the Conquest is probably the least convincing optic they made in the last two decades. Just my impression from reading BirdForum. With a $2K price cap I would be looking at a Leica Ultravid if I wanted something from the "alpha" brands, or if I could go a bit higher then definitely the Swarovision 10x50 which is the most impressive binocular I have ever looked through (not that Ive seen all of them).


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Mark9473]
      #5626206 - 01/16/13 01:28 PM

The very reason I didn't prefer cannon is due to the high magnification. I wanted a larger field of view. The bino will complement my 5" triplet telescope. Nikon SE 12x50 seems to be a great alternative. I will check this out. Another reason I am bit hesitant on Cannon is due to its IS feature. I want a pure optical/mechanical instrument without electronics

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
KennyJ
The British Flash
*****

Reged: 04/27/03

Loc: Lancashire UK
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5626704 - 01/16/13 06:07 PM

Welcome, Saptharisha !

I speak as a great admirer and former proud owner of Zeiss BGAT binoculars. I was never overly impressed with the Conquest offerings.

I think Mark has already provided great advice and good food for thought, the most appetising of all for out and out astro use being the Fujinon 10x50
FMTSX.

I'm sure other experienced members will chime in with theirs,but my own overall recommendation differs slightly because for one thing, astro use is a minor consideration for me .

In addition, I find non-stabilised 12x binoculars just a little too shaky to hand - hold to complete satisfaction and also find 5 degrees true field of view just a little too narrow for scanning the night sky without a hint of frustration and stress sneaking into the experience.

I would therefore suggest the model that has become practically the ONLY ONE I ever use now, after around 50 years of trying and buying.

It's the Nikon 10x42 Superior E.

Kenny


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5627347 - 01/17/13 01:58 AM

Hello sapatarishi
swarovski,10x50 and 12x50EL could be a choice .of course the price is higher.
Both weigh 998grams ,and have great optics ,built in flattener ,and
no IS. But excellent balance.
Rgds
Vaidya

Edited by teelgul (01/17/13 02:04 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: teelgul]
      #5627364 - 01/17/13 02:31 AM

Thank you all for the advices. I think it is better for me to try out a couple of premium Binos, before making a decision. I will first check with the local nature club on this.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5660059 - 02/03/13 02:08 PM

Hi Vaidya,

It will be helpful if you can share your experience with Swarovision 10x50 and/or 12x50EL (specifically for handheld stargazing)

Thanks.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5662901 - 02/05/13 04:18 AM

hello
saptarishi
the 12x50 due to its weight and magnification always performs better with a slight support like resting the arm on some thing or leaning against the wall. For nature observation full handheld is fine . For astro ,short periods ,scanning is fine but bracing or lying on the back is much better. its a well balanced bino ,so the handling or the feel gets better as we hold it longer. optics quality i feel is same as any top APO like the Televue NP101 or a TAK.it was a tough choice between the 12X and the 10x. even the 8.5 and 10 x 42 are worth considering for their weight advantage,
regards
vaidya


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: teelgul]
      #5664562 - 02/06/13 01:41 AM

Hi Vaidya,
Thanks for the details. Going by your description I think you own a SV 12x50 How is the hand tremor in 12x50 if you view for 30 minutes continuously? is it so bad compared to 10x50? I know this is more dependent on individuals and their way of holding the bin, but wanted to get an opinion from you as you actually own one.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5667669 - 02/07/13 07:01 PM

hello saptarishi
i have not tried for that long a time in a single stretch. its always a few minutes on and off. both weigh same almost a kilo and from my experience some thing like 30 minutes will produce instability for 12X or 10X.i got the 12X as i wanted for both birding and astro ,but tried all the models just for comparison
in that sense the 8.5/42 and 10/42 are good enough for stable viewing for much longer periods.you may have already seen this links but in case web page and also Binocular Resolution Handheld versus Mounted


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: teelgul]
      #5668898 - 02/08/13 12:22 PM

Vaisya, thanks so much for sharing the details and links. You are right. In Astro viewing, we generally don't watch through bins for 30 mins continuously. Will probably get either a zeiss 56 FL or a 12x50 SV . I did see through 56 fl and it is a beautiful bin. Yet to check SV.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5669943 - 02/08/13 11:09 PM

yes zeiss is a good combination of aperture and pupil.
it would be worth trying all all the three----swaro,leica and zeiss if possible.another good one is Docter
but not many dealers around.
regards

Edited by teelgul (02/09/13 04:24 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Erik Bakker
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 08/10/06

Loc: The Netherlands, Europe
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5670128 - 02/09/13 04:14 AM

Recently, I tested the Swaro 12x50 and Zeiss Victory 10x56 FL. The Swaro is smaller, lighter, well balanced and has better edge of field sharpness. Feels like a 40mm bin on steroids. The Zeiss 10x56 FL is a different animal. Bigger, (front) heavier, this is a substantial bino. I love the 4 lock-position eyecups. On-axis sharpness is comparable. But the Zeiss has better contrast, transparency and most of all is a lot brighter than the 12x50 Swaro. Side by side, the 12x Swaro looks a bit dull. Under the stars, the Zeiss is fantastic. When you take the price into consideration, the Zeiss Fl 10x56 is a bargain compared to the Swaro 12x50. The Conquest 10x56 is in a different league. Smaller AFOV, more chromatic aberration and less bright. It is lighter than the Victory, more like the Swaro.

The ergonomics and viewing characteristics of a bino have different interaction with different people, so try before you buy if at all possible. And see if you are happy with the price of admission for a particular viewing experience.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Binojunky
Carpal Tunnel
*****

Reged: 12/25/10

Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5670609 - 02/09/13 12:03 PM

Well I bought the 8x30 Conquest and it performs like a 40mm regarding resolution and brightness, made in Hungary it is a favourite of mine, as for the bigger brothers, I don,t know,DA.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Binojunky]
      #5671710 - 02/10/13 01:21 AM

Erik, that was good comparison between 12x10 SV and 10x56 FL. You had mentioned that FL is brighter than SV. Do you attribute it to the extra 6mm of aperture and 2x less magnification? I feel that could be a reason. Let me know your thoughts too. Any idea the % of light transmission in SV? I have read FL has ~90% light transmission.

Vaidya, I am seriously hesitant to see through 12x50 SV as I fear I will be tempted to own both FL and SV

Regards,
Umasuthan.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
John F
professor emeritus
*****

Reged: 02/16/04

Loc: Washington State
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5671758 - 02/10/13 02:55 AM

Erik,

In contrasting the relative advantages and disadvantages of the 10x56 Zeiss FL versus the 12x50 Swarovski EL it seems to me that you overemphasize the relative importance of the 10x56's brightness advantage over the 12x50s. As you stated elsewhere in your mini-review, these two binoculars are different animals.

By virtue of its larger aperture a 56mm binocular will collect 25% more light than a 50mm binocular will. Also, the lower power (i.e., both absolute and relative to its lens size) of the 10x56 contributes to it having a significantly larger exit pupil than a 12x50 does. It is those factors which enable the 10x56 to produce a much brighter image than even the best 12x50 ever could provide.

Now let's take another example. I have a pair of 10x70 Nikon binoculars and they have the same magnification as the 10x56 FLs. However, because of their significantly larger aperture (which collects 56% more light than a 10x56 does) and also because its exit pupil is 25% wider in diameter, the 10x70s will far outperform the 10x56s from a brightness perspective (and relative to the Zeiss 10x56s, they cost significantly less as well). Of course, I understand that those two binoculars are "different animals" and that a number of factors beside their relative brightness and cost to each other have to be taken into consideration when trying to determine which one of two would better suit the particular observing needs of a particular class of users.

When Swarovski announced their 10x50 & 12x50 EL SV models in 2011 I was not particularly excited about it because of my past experience with 12x50 binoculars being difficult to hand hold steady. But recently I read a couple of reviews that said that they were so well balanced and ergonomically designed that they represented a major advance in user friendliness for a 50mm size binocular. So I went over to a nearby Cabelas store to try them out and was myself very impressed with how comfortable they were to hand hold and the fact that I could hold them steadier than any 12x glass that I've used in the past. So after mulling it over for a night I ordered a pair the next day and they just arrived yesterday.

They're not that much larger or heavier than my 8.5x42 Swaro ELs and I've had far less problems holding them than any of the other (actually 3) world class 12x50s that I've owned in the past. As for their optical quality, they're very much in the same class as their smaller 8.5x42 brothers. However, and as result of their differences in aperture size and magnification, there are some significant differences between them and each has some advantages and disadvantages vis-a-vis the other.

Although I have yet to try them (i.e., the 12x50 ELs) astronomically, from my past experience with 12x50 binoculars I strongly suspect that on most individual deep sky objects the 12x50s will clearly outperform the 10x56s as a result of their higher magnification. The Adler index (which so far has proven to be the most accurate of the various indexes for predicting binocular performance for astronomical use), yields a 85 value for 12x50s, a 75 for 10x56s, a 71 for 10x50s and if Zeiss were still making 12x56s it would earn a score Adler index score of 90.

In any case, to make any serious headway with respect to being able to determine which Zeiss (or pier competitors) binocular is most likely to be the one that is best suited to meet the needs of this or that particular individual it requires that you know what particular application(s) that person primarily plans to use them for.

Assuming that the binoculars are going to be mostly hand hold rather than mounted, I'd favor 12x50 or 10x50 (as an astronomer) if I found a model that I could hold steady enough that I enjoyed using them. For hunting, an 8x56 or 10x56 is great because their larger aperture enables them to perform especially well during the morning and evening twilight hours. For marine use (on a boat) a 7x42 or 7x50 (which have large exit pupils is a good choice) for most other terrestrial applications a 7x42, 8x42 or 10x42 will work best overall for most users.

John Finnan


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5671765 - 02/10/13 03:08 AM

Light transmission is 90% in all EL and and the 10x50 by a whisker brighter ,which is more apparent in low light . I went for the swaro only for its size /flat field and use it for travel,nature,astro ,But you can't go wrong with the zeiss .of course nothing like having both .

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
John F
professor emeritus
*****

Reged: 02/16/04

Loc: Washington State
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5671770 - 02/10/13 03:14 AM

Quote:

I am seriously hesitant to see through 12x50 SV as I fear I will be tempted to own both FL and SV

Regards,
Umasuthan.




Umasuthan,

Be patient. I recently bought (prior to deciding to also get the 12x50 Swaros) a Zeiss 10x56 Night Owl binocular. This is model was made in the late 1990's and was the last binocular type that Zeiss made which still used lead glass (which they spent 100 years perfecting) and it enjoys an excellent reputation for superb performance. That binocular hasn't arrived yet but it should in a week or so.

In any event, next August or September I'll be taking both that binocular and my new Swaro 12x50s with me to one of my multi-night high elevation/very dark sky observing sites and I will have an opportunity to compare both binoculars using them both in hand hold-able and mounted modes.

The place I go to observe is in the Southeaster Corner of Oregon State in the US and the region has lots of great scenery as well so I'll also be able to try the binoculars out on terrestrial targets as well.

So late next Summer I will write up my impressions of the two binoculars and post them here the Cloudy Night site.

John Finnan


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: John F]
      #5671792 - 02/10/13 04:09 AM

Hey John,

I never thought about the exit pupil difference between 10x56 FL and 12x50 SV. Thanks for pointing. Looking forward to read your report


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
teelgul
sage


Reged: 09/02/11

Loc: Australia
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5671835 - 02/10/13 05:30 AM

Quote:

Hey John,

I never thought about the exit pupil difference between 10x56 FL and 12x50 SV. Thanks for pointing. Looking forward to read your report



Also a larger exit pupil may not always be an advantage as depends on age and individual.
Above 40 the iris max dia may only be up to 5mm.
A higher magnification,Smaller exit pupil,so better contrast .
any way the dark sky report will be interesting.and as John said each will have its strong points depending on application.


Edited by teelgul (02/10/13 07:01 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Erik Bakker
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 08/10/06

Loc: The Netherlands, Europe
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: John F]
      #5671896 - 02/10/13 07:00 AM

Hi John,

I agree with you. All I did was compare the 12x50 Swaro vs 10x56 FL, and that is how they compare to me. During daylight, the FL was the brighter bino, indicating better transmission. Under the stars, the 12x helps the EL a lot to see more detail. It's lighter weight and better balance help in hand-holding. I find the 10x56 FL to (front) heavy for prolonged hand-held observing. They have no solid tripod support like the Swaro SLC's or the Nikon 18x70. Since I already have the incredible Nikon 18x70 tripod mounted, I decided not to buy the FL 10x56.

Instead I bought the FL 10x32. The sharpest 10x I have used with a beautiful very wide and quite sharp AFOV. Nagler-in-an-APO like feeling. Bright? No. Tiny? You bet!

Enter the FL 7x42. Bright? Yes! Wide true field? Yes! Lightweight and well balanced too. A great pair with the 10x32 for handheld observing for me. My eyes plague me with increasingly imperfect stars with exitpupils bigger than 3mm due to astigmatism. But I don't like observing with glasses, so this is my solution for that. Sharp stars? 10x32. Wide and bright? 7x42. And it has such an easy view. So last week I got those 2 FL's and really enjoy them.

On a tripod, there is nothing quite like the Nikon 18x70. I even prefer it to my Tak FS102 on low power deep-sky. Gorgeous views.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ronharper
Carpal Tunnel
*****

Reged: 02/14/06

Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: Erik Bakker]
      #5674409 - 02/11/13 04:41 PM

Umasuthan,
You asked about the transmissions of 10x56 FL and the 12x50 SV. Allbinos has measured this for the 8x56 FL and the 8.5x42 SV, and I suppose the coatings are the same throughout the series. Look down at the bottom of the reviews for the transmission plots.

FL transmission

SV transmission

The FL is significantly brighter over the most luminous daytime band and also at the scotopic peak around 510 nm. The SV profile is flatter however, and a couple of percent above the FL in the deepest blue.

Ron


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: ronharper]
      #5677593 - 02/13/13 12:22 PM

Hey Ron, thanks so much for the details.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5688244 - 02/19/13 02:42 AM

Are there any non-Swarovision version of 12x50 EL binos from Swarovski?

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ronharper
Carpal Tunnel
*****

Reged: 02/14/06

Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5688576 - 02/19/13 09:50 AM

There were no 50mm original model ELs.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
John F
professor emeritus
*****

Reged: 02/16/04

Loc: Washington State
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5689988 - 02/19/13 11:51 PM

Quote:

Are there any non-Swarovision version of 12x50 EL binos from Swarovski?




No!

Incidentally, after using my Swaro 12x50s for a week or so (both terrestrially and astronomically) I decided to return the pair I ordered for a refund (they came with a 30-day return policy).

Optically, they're superb and the best 12x50 I've ever looked through. However, I found that while they're better designed ergonomically and easier to hand hold (reasonably steady for a 12x50) they still start shaking fairly quickly (if I'm hand holding them) after I place them on the object I wish to look at.

So given their high cost and the fact that I already have a pair of Zeiss 15x60 B/GATs (which are like the Swaro 12x50's bigger brothers) that I can use on a mount, I concluded that the Swaro 12x50s just didn't do enough for me to warrant keeping them.

This recent experience kind of takes me back to an opinion that I formed many years ago in relation to 12x50s and that was yeah, you can hand hold them some but to get the real value out of them you need to use the with a mount. And, once you decide to cross that threshold, then why not get a pair of 12x50s when you can get a nice pair of 15x56s, 15x60s, 16x70s or 18x70s instead?

In any case, it looks like I won't be getting to do a comparison of the Zeiss 10x56 Night Owls vs the 12x50 ELs. However, from past experience using many other different pairs of binoculars I can pretty much imagine what the likely outcome of such a comparison would be.

For some deep sky objects and Milky Way star fields the larger aperture and larger true field of the Zeiss 10x56 would provide the nicer view. But for many other objects and some portions of the Milky Way, the tack-sharp-to-the-edge 12x50s and with their higher magnification and greater contrast would produce the more engaging view. But with the 12x50s you really need to use them with mount to be able to get the type of performance out of them which they are capable of providing.

As for the Zeiss 10 x 56 FL vs the Swaro 10x50 ELs I'd say stick with the 10x56's provided you're pleased with the views that they're already providing you with and if you can hand hold them reasonably steady. You also have the option of getting a mount to use with them (at least some of the time) and I would recommend that. Else if you're not all that pleased with the views they're providing or if you find them rather difficult to hand hold reasonably steady then swithing to (but not supplementing them with) the 10x50 ELs might then make sense). Another good option is the 10x50 Fujinons but they're kind of heavy.

There is no single binocular that is best for all applications. What I think makes the most sense is to get a pair that is going to be very good for hand holdable use (e.g., an 8x42, 8x50 or 10x50) and also and second higher power and larger aperture pair (like the sizes I mentioned above) and use that with a mount. And then after you got those (which I consider to be essential requirements) adding a pair like the 10x70 Fujinons or Nikons makes sense for the very bright views of the Milky Way they can provide. But in order to get the most out of a fine pair of 10x70s you need (1) a mount and (2) be able to get to really dark sky sites to be able to use them at. In an urban or suburban location they're just not going to be able to perform up to their potential and therefore I would not recommend getting a pair if you can't take them to really dark sky sites to use them at.

John Finnan


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
OpalescentNebula
sage


Reged: 01/11/07

Loc: Calgary, Alberta, Observing so...
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: John F]
      #5690047 - 02/20/13 12:35 AM

Quote:

There is no single binocular that is best for all applications. What I think makes the most sense is to get a pair that is going to be very good for hand holdable use (e.g., an 8x42, 8x50 or 10x50) and also and second higher power and larger aperture pair (like the sizes I mentioned above) and use that with a mount. And then after you got those (which I consider to be essential requirements) adding a pair like the 10x70 Fujinons or Nikons makes sense for the very bright views of the Milky Way they can provide. But in order to get the most out of a fine pair of 10x70s you need (1) a mount and (2) be able to get to really dark sky sites to be able to use them at. In an urban or suburban location they're just not going to be able to perform up to their potential and therefore I would not recommend getting a pair if you can't take them to really dark sky sites to use them at.

John Finnan



I whole heartily agree with that staement


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: OpalescentNebula]
      #5701436 - 02/26/13 11:21 AM

John,

Thanks so much for the advice. That is very useful. I think you summed it up by saying "There is no single binocular that is best for all applications."

I finally managed to get my hands on 10x56 FL and 12x50 SV. Will try them both and share my experience.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
saptharishi
super member


Reged: 06/15/12

Loc: Bangalore, India
Re: Advice on Zeiss Binoculars new [Re: saptharishi]
      #5703648 - 02/27/13 02:45 PM

I have posted my experience with EL and FL in a separate thread.

My experience with Zeiss 10x56 FL & EL 12x50 SV

Regards,
Umasuthan.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | (show all)


Extra information
8 registered and 36 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  Greyhaven, Knuklhdastrnmr, WOBentley 

Print Thread

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled


Thread views: 3623

Jump to

CN Forums Home


Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics