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cosurgi
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dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :(
      #5399991 - 09/02/12 06:00 PM

It happened tonight when we were preparing to moon observing session. I badly attached that connector ring. I always have a bad feeling about attaching this ring, and I normally double and triple check it. So I did today. I even told my brother that I always feel uneasy about this connector ring. Few minutes later with eyepieces attached it fell down on the concrete.

Very frightened I attached it again, and we had a great moon observing session. I was so afraid that it might get damaged. But now I really don't know if something happened to it, or if I should contact Baader and ask if they could check it for me.

At first I saw a collimation problem, one eye couldn't match the view with another eye, but soon the problem disappeared, and none of my fellow observers noticed this. Even at 200x magnification (refractor ES 127mm;952mm with ES 4.7mm eyepieces) the view was sharp, good and collimated.

I wish there was another way to connect this binoviwer, this connector ring is so... difficult to use.

Should I contact Baader?
Do you think that if there are any problems I would notice them instantly during the moon observing session?
What should I do?


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: cosurgi]
      #5400093 - 09/02/12 07:40 PM

I would think that if you're not seeing a constant double image or having eye strain to make a merge you may have got off easy without knocking out something inside fortunately. Yes that connection is the one thing on my older version {but same design} that gets the double check everytime... still I feel your pain...no fun

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Refractor6]
      #5400176 - 09/02/12 08:50 PM

As far as I know, Baader is verrrrry slow in checking and fixing things. It could take several months to get the BV back if you send it to them. So if it seems to be working fine, I would probably take no action.

Yeah the connector is scary. I've had the Mark V spin around a couple of times when it wasn't connected perfectly, and it definitely freaked me out!!


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: cosurgi]
      #5400254 - 09/02/12 09:44 PM

Przykro mi slyszec. Since the problem appeared only momentarily, I would not worry about it, at this time.

Duzo szczescia!


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Kutno]
      #5400325 - 09/02/12 10:50 PM

I dropped my Mark Vs once and contacted Astro Physics about it. I was told that the prisms are cemented in place and that a drop would not cause any collimation issues. There is no way to adjust the collimation on the Mark Vs. As far as sending them to Baader, I once had to send mine for a thorough cleaning (water got deep inside the prism structure) and it took about 3 months to get them back. Also, it was a pricey cleaning since I had to pay for shipping to and from Germany. Total price came out to about $350. I now keep them in a waterproof case.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: crazyqban]
      #5400328 - 09/02/12 10:52 PM

As far as I am concerened, if the the view is OK, they should be fine.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: cosurgi]
      #5400498 - 09/03/12 01:58 AM

I am also using the Baader Mark V. The dropping risk always lets me think about a safety lanyard, keeping the Mark V from falling down. Or to put a thick soft cushioning pad on the floor, just in case...

Baader should offer modified, more reliable mounting adapters for their expensive and heavy Mark V binoviewer.

Stephan


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5400546 - 09/03/12 03:37 AM

Thank you very much for encouragement. So I think that I will take no action for now. Of course except quadruple and quintuple checking the connector from now on.

Yesterday we were looking at moon only. Next test will be on planets on another night. I used this bino a lot before this happened, so I should notice if there is any difference.

I hope that I got lucky with this one...


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: cosurgi]
      #5400597 - 09/03/12 05:11 AM

Because og affraid dropping, I do that...







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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: denis0007dl]
      #5400598 - 09/03/12 05:14 AM

...so now my MkV is fixed with adapter!

And with that I gave 2mm more CLEAR APERTURE of MkV, originaly it has on back side 28mm, now is fully 30mm ;-)


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: denis0007dl]
      #5400861 - 09/03/12 10:52 AM

I don't know why more people don't affix a lanyard or saftey line to heavy eyepieces, binos and cameras. Seems to me a small quick connector or snap fitting could make interchanges more efficient too. Mike

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: mikey cee]
      #5401014 - 09/03/12 12:36 PM

I dropped my MKV on concrete also and I started seeing a second image upside down. I sent it back to Astro Physics and they said collimation was out. It was sent back to Baader for repair but took over three months. I couldn't wait that long so I bought a second MKV to use while I was waiting. A cushion on the ground would be a good idea.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: rfr66]
      #5401046 - 09/03/12 12:59 PM

I'm thinking at this point being a recent convert and owner of the older unit that one of those small outdoor area rugs under the scope would be at least be a good start.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: cosurgi]
      #5401450 - 09/03/12 04:46 PM

Sorry to hear about that. I dropped mine, damaged it, and it took over eight months for turnaround. Luckily you are closer to Germany! Good luck.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: johnnyha]
      #5401892 - 09/03/12 09:30 PM

Hmmm, seems dropping Mk V's is too common. On that basis, I think I'll give them a miss

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: NickG]
      #5402265 - 09/04/12 02:04 AM

I dropped mine once and it seems the binoviewer survived but I still keep thinking sending the unit back to Baader for inspection, kinda paranoid

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: BWAZ]
      #5403613 - 09/04/12 06:50 PM

Mine was initially inspected by Roland himself at Astro-Physics before they sent it off to Germany, I think he can deal with basic collimation issues. Mine was knocked outta whack though, and then I think it got shuffled around once it reached Baader. Over eight months is a looong wait for service.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: johnnyha]
      #5403991 - 09/04/12 10:05 PM

I had a problem with mine a while back and I sent them to A-P for a look. Roland checked them out quickly and the problem had to do with the prism diagonal not the collimation of the binoc prisms. It was replaced under warranty.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: denis0007dl]
      #5405262 - 09/05/12 05:06 PM

denis0007dl,
How did you or where that was done. Besides also already dropped mine twice (only once due to the quick release system... At that time nothing happened and but after the second fall I had to use glue tape to hold my inter pupil distance - still is collimated... :-) ), I would prefer a simple T female on the binoviewer since would save 1 cm of focal length. I contacted Baader to ask if it was possible to remove the system and make a T tread female but they told it would be too expensive since had to produce new tools to collimate the binoviewer...


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: DRodrigues]
      #5405752 - 09/05/12 11:10 PM

I got a cold lump in my stomach just reading the title of this thread!

Glad it's still OK. You got lucky; you should find some way to make it more secure (the lanyard idea sounded good).


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5406030 - 09/06/12 04:54 AM

yes, definitely I will make some lanyard attachment

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: DRodrigues]
      #5406074 - 09/06/12 06:44 AM

Quote:

denis0007dl,
How did you or where that was done. Besides also already dropped mine twice (only once due to the quick release system... At that time nothing happened and but after the second fall I had to use glue tape to hold my inter pupil distance - still is collimated... :-) ), I would prefer a simple T female on the binoviewer since would save 1 cm of focal length. I contacted Baader to ask if it was possible to remove the system and make a T tread female but they told it would be too expensive since had to produce new tools to collimate the binoviewer...




Everything was done by turner expert, there atr many parts changed, and now bino is SUPERB!

WORTH IT!!!!


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5450122 - 10/01/12 01:10 PM

Only two nights ago i was covering my dob with a plastic bag when i heard a solid horrific thud. Somehow my Mrk 5 came off its quick release adaptor and smashed 5 feet onto solid concret! My brother had called me in to play MW2. I spent 2 hrs trying to play, but could not focus because i kept on thinking, "Damn! How did that happen, i am sure the quick release screw was fully tightened.... The bino must be wreaked!".

Afterwards i checled it ober in the light. Lucky for me i only had tiny 11mm TV plossls loaded and not my usual 24mm Panotics. Both eyepieces had badly scruffed eye guards. Both Mrk 5 eyepieces sholders where dented, one side dented on both sides. The body was also dented and scruffed. Surely they are ruined! The crash sound was horrid and i can still hear it now.

Loaded a 17mm ethos and monoviwed vega and double double. Beautiful. Split double double by fine hairline. Load up Mrk 5 with simular mag. Beautiful. View 95% as clear as monoview. Double double split by hairline. Set to x340 mag and point to jupitor, moons nice round spheres, hardly any CA or flaring on them. Jupitor detail as fine as the first day i got them. I can not believe i got away with no damage.

But as otherd have said.... In the bak of my mind i keep thinking "Somthig must be wrong". The Mrk 5 are near perfection, a big knocknlike that surely must effect it in some way.... I cant help think i should by another just to rest my mind. They are that wonderful.

But as others have said... Baader need to provide an alternative to the quick release. Its ridiculous. Why would anyone want a system with suck a high risk rate? I deffo dont. Ill rather have the usual 2in tube that eyepieces come with.

I now attach a safety bungie cord to them. Makes ne so much more at ease.

Glad im not the only one this happened to. The most aweful feeling. Wish i could turn bak time.

Edited by Pingster (10/01/12 01:13 PM)


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #5450146 - 10/01/12 01:21 PM

denis0007dl, whats turner experts webpage? And what do we need to ask for? Do we need to open our bino to apply the mod or does it simply screw in the bottom? Thanks for the help.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #5450180 - 10/01/12 01:46 PM

Oh no, not again... My stomach hurts. Another Baader Mark V crushing on concrete. Another victim of Baader's quick release system.

If I understand well your post, and as well the previous posts of other Baader Mark V owners, the T2i Quick Changer (Baader Part-No. 245 6313) failed repeatedly.

I recommend sending a copy of your report (or this thread link, accompanied by some polite notes) directly to Baader Planetarium, Germany, e-mail kontakt@baader-planetarium.de.
Apparently, the quick release system is a weak point in the entire bino set-up. In order to bring a more reliable connection solution for this heavy and expensive bino, Baader depends on our experiences.

I own the great Mark V too. The horrible dropping stories of some of you folks make me feel nervous now each time when I am looking at it... Not only double-checking, but triple-checking the quick release unit and its small screw has become common procedure...

To anyone who really hates the idea of seeing his beloved and expensive Mark V crushing on hard concrete, an attached safety lanyard gives some additional security.

Stephan


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #5450222 - 10/01/12 02:16 PM

You are right we should stand togeather and demand a free swap for a new unit. In its current form its actually a design fault and not fit for purpose. This many drops proves its not fit for purpose. As much as i love baader for this great piece of engineering, they are at fault and we should not have to live with the Endless feeling of doubt if our bino is really fuctioning as normal.

Ill do so and let you guys know how i get on. They owe ne a new shiney unit :P


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #5450414 - 10/01/12 04:09 PM

Quote:

You are right we should stand togeather and demand a free swap for a new unit. In its current form its actually a design fault and not fit for purpose. This many drops proves its not fit for purpose. As much as i love baader for this great piece of engineering, they are at fault and we should not have to live with the Endless feeling of doubt if our bino is really fuctioning as normal.

Ill do so and let you guys know how i get on. They owe ne a new shiney unit :P




The least they can do is make available a longer thumbscrew for existing units. Most of it stays unreachable between the diagonal the and Mark V body. After hearing these horror stories, my MO is to visually inspect the BV after tightening the screw. But even with this I'm scared I'll slip up one day...


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: TG]
      #5450689 - 10/01/12 07:27 PM

The problem with the quicl release system is that its only secured by one screw, which can work itself loose. But the main fault is that a small turn of that screw can allow the bino to simply "pop off suddenly. With no other astro gear/system i have owned does this happen.

Baader need to build in a secondry securing feature, one that acts as a fail safe yetstilling allowing to quick release to work. For example making the user unscrew the locking screw, then having to twist the bino to release.

Graaa its really annoying. Tonight i looked thru the bino and indeed the eye pieces arw out of collimation. Thru each barrel the view is slighly offset, no wonder first time i used it after dropping i felt my eyes had to "work a bit", normally its so natural. I thought i was just imagining it but today i confirmed it visually.


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6039792 - 08/22/13 09:41 AM

I sent my mark v to baader for recollomination they said they are on holiday and will start on it in september, I hope they can get it back to me for october. Fingers crossed, ill update to let everyone know how I get on

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6052057 - 08/29/13 08:02 AM

After an initial period of frustration because I got no reply.from baader (they were on summer holiday). Once they were back I got confirmation of receipt of my bino and an estimated repair commence of start ofSeptember. Just received an email from baader confirming its fixed and will be posted by UPS. Amazing, fixed faster than I feared. Im over the moon as in my eyes the mrk 5 is pretty much optical perfection.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6062168 - 09/04/13 06:10 AM

*Update, i got my bino back. After getting back from their summer holiday, much to my surprise it took them 2 weeks to fix it and another 4 days shipped via UPS to me. They repaired it free & did not charge me for shipping. Im really surprise and of course very grateful. Collomination fixed.

Breaking all rules the weather was clear last night and WOW, the views are exactly like last summer when i first got it, beautiful. Stars at x80 mag in the 24mm pans beautiful and sharp, at x150 still very sharp. Double double such a clean split with black sky between, the faint surrounds stars perfect pin pricks and not smeared at all. Cant ait for the moon and Jupiter so i can push it over x300.

So far the collimation looks extremely good. Very happy with Baader customer service and customer care. Its good to know that buying a mrk5 really is a purchase for life. Fingers crossed.


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6062477 - 09/04/13 11:10 AM

I am glad you got it fixed!

It is time now for a lanyard, or a soft and thick cushioning pad below your Mark V.

Stephan


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6062491 - 09/04/13 11:25 AM

Glad to see your Mark V's are as good as new, but did Baader say anything about addressing the problem of the quick release failing? did you discuss them making a threaded fitting for the Mark V's instead of the quick release?
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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: tomcody]
      #6062499 - 09/04/13 11:30 AM

Quote:

Glad to see your Mark V's are as good as new, but did Baader say anything about addressing the problem of the quick release failing? did you discuss them making a threaded fitting for the Mark V's instead of the quick release?




I hope they don't! I really like the quick release on my Mark V.


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: DaveJ]
      #6062676 - 09/04/13 01:16 PM

Quote:

I really like the quick release on my Mark V.




Yes, I too like the quick release feature of the Mark V. But I think Baader should slightly re-design the Quick Release Changer. With its tiny single set screw, it is the weakest point in the entire bino train, in particuar when using long and heavy 1 1/4" eyepieces as the TV Delos models or the Docter 12.5 UWA.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6062845 - 09/04/13 02:56 PM

I agree. This is a real design fault in what is otherwise an excellent piece of equipment.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: JRiggs]
      #6063108 - 09/04/13 05:45 PM

Thanks for the support guys. Since dropping I attach a cord around it and tie it to my scope. Lucky for my my dob has a cloth shroud, so if it should end up flying off again it will swing ::) into the shroud thus acting like a air bag.

And would you believe this, on my first night out with it I accidentally released the quick release thumb screw, as you all know we have many sets of thumb screws around the focuser. Luckily 1. I had not unscrewed it much... and 2 I had my safety cable.

I have sent baader this thread to let them know my accident has happened to many others.

The thing is I really do love the quick release, but maybe baader should add a second thumb screw as a safety net, that makes sense right? Ill suggest it to them.

But ok im ever so grateful for the repair and look forward to Jupiter rising at zenith XD.

Thanks again and let's hope baader does something about this issue. What would others suggest? I know ashely at precise parts makes a direct 2in adaptor, but I know I would miss the quick release as I have a baader to x2 televe powermate which I love and wod dearly miss.


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6063117 - 09/04/13 05:48 PM

How about if baader makes the thumb screw twist in the opposite direction to a normal thumb screw? Then you cant accidentally unloosen. If they made two holes in the qick release ring, one for normal direction to unlose and the other as an inverse option.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6063461 - 09/04/13 10:04 PM

If they even just made the screw longer, it would be an improvement! I complained about this to Astro Physics last year at this time shortly after the screw on my MkV came loose.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: JRiggs]
      #6063861 - 09/05/13 07:20 AM

I find the Baader quick release perfect.

Just make sure the dovetail is slipped in around the locator tangs prior to tightening the thumbscrew.

I have 2 mkv's and there's never a problem


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Pingster]
      #6065538 - 09/06/13 02:52 AM

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*Update, i got my bino back. After getting back from their summer holiday, much to my surprise it took them 2 weeks to fix it and another 4 days shipped via UPS to me. They repaired it free & did not charge me for shipping.



Lucky you! When mine dropped and needed re-collimating, it took them 9 months to get the MkVs back to me and they charged me almost $400, including shipping both ways. So lets just say their customer service is a tad inconsistent.


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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: johnnyha]
      #6065637 - 09/06/13 06:19 AM

Yup, I was charged $350 for a cleaning including shipping both ways. This was after the case that they were in took on water when my *BLEEP* tent flooded at the 2010(?) Chiefland Star Party. Needless to say that they now reside in a waterproof SKB case along with all of my other eyepieces and optical doo-dads. Oh, and I have a better tent also.

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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: crazyqban]
      #6065710 - 09/06/13 08:00 AM

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Oh, and I have a better tent also.






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Re: dropped my baader mark V bino on concrete :( new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6237798 - 12/06/13 05:31 PM

Well I was hoping not to join this particular club but I am officially a member. Dropped my Mark Vs and now I see double. To make things worse, my friend dropped his a couple of nights ago. Both will be on their way to Germany soon for some service. In the meantime I purchase a used TeleVue Bino Vue to get me by. Has anyone used a Bino Vue or compared them to the Mark Vs? I briefly compared them at the 2013 WSP and didn't notice much of a difference. If I like them I will probably sell the Mark Vs when I get them back. Any thoughts?

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