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NSOG or Uranometria or... ?
      #5912107 - 06/09/13 09:43 PM

A few months ago I stumbled across a complete mint hardbound set of Burnham's Celestial Handbook at a library book sale. A score for $20! Despite the age these books have limitless information and have reintroduced me to astronomy. Now I'm putting the Burnham's set to use with a new telescope and am having a blast. My current technique is to find interesting objects in the Handbook and then use internet star maps to picture how the sky will look tonight. I determine how I'm going to star-hop and then make a few finder charts using the USNO site. It all works fine but I have to jump through a lot of hoops, bouncing from one source of information to the other. I was wondering if I could find a book(s) that would tie all these steps together (star charts, finder charts, descriptions).

The Night Sky Observer's Guide (vols 1 and 2) and Uranometria 2000.0 both seem to be be fairly comprehensive. I understand the Uranometria doesn't have descriptions however.

Can anyone recommend either of these books? Or should I save my money and continue using my internet/Burnham's combo?

Thank you.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: pahoota]
      #5912144 - 06/09/13 10:01 PM

The NSOG is closer to what you want, with small, localized star charts for various items and for each constellation. It has descriptions for several thousand objects as they appear in different apertures; it's a more amateur-oriented work.

Uranometria 2000 is strictly a star atlas - nothing but maps. There is, however, a companion volume to U2K called the "Deep Sky Field Guide", that is a massive list of objects in the U2K.

It's hard to say "either/or" on these; they're complimentary, and both are valuable to have.

Burnham's, of course, is the crowning masterpiece. $20 - nice score!


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5912257 - 06/09/13 11:15 PM

It's not nearly as extensive as the NSOG, but you may wish to have a look at "The Observer's Sky Atlas". It packs a wealth of information on the best objects for amateur telescopes, and includes charts as well as finder charts. One night I forgot to bring my pocket sky atlas and had this book with me and I found it works as both a guide and an atlas. It's especially handy to grab if I don't have any particular targets in mind and decide to just wing it.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Observers-Sky-Atlas-Covering/dp/0387485376



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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: pahoota]
      #5912396 - 06/10/13 02:08 AM

Quote:

A few months ago I stumbled across a complete mint hardbound set of Burnham's Celestial Handbook at a library book sale. A score for $20! Despite the age these books have limitless information and have reintroduced me to astronomy. Now I'm putting the Burnham's set to use with a new telescope and am having a blast. My current technique is to find interesting objects in the Handbook and then use internet star maps to picture how the sky will look tonight. I determine how I'm going to star-hop and then make a few finder charts using the USNO site. It all works fine but I have to jump through a lot of hoops, bouncing from one source of information to the other. I was wondering if I could find a book(s) that would tie all these steps together (star charts, finder charts, descriptions).

The Night Sky Observer's Guide (vols 1 and 2) and Uranometria 2000.0 both seem to be be fairly comprehensive. I understand the Uranometria doesn't have descriptions however.

Can anyone recommend either of these books? Or should I save my money and continue using my internet/Burnham's combo?

Thank you.




If you are really going to use the Night Sky Observers Guide (NSOG) to its fullest, you do need Uranometria 2000.0 (or a computer-based atlas like MEGASTAR or THE SKY). There is an extensive review of NSOG in the CN REPORTS section of Cloudynights, so you might take a look at that. Clear skies to you.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5912820 - 06/10/13 11:09 AM

Quote:

Can anyone recommend either of these books




They both are highly regarded. As for what reference work you use, it all depends on your needs. Do you currently need a no-nonsense, easy to use compendium of described objects or a an Atlas ? The road of "either" and "or" is perhaps not the ideal solution... Perhaps you need both ?

Uranometria is great stuff, but the swath of sky covered by each map is very small. It's really helpful as an "extra" when you need more depth and your field Atlas is a magnitude 6~8, but as a main atlas, it's not very practical.

If you do not own a "regular" Atlas yet, I suggest you start with the Sky Atlas 2000 Field edition and it's companion book (Index). or at very least, the Cambridge star atlas 4th edition. - Though not as deep as SA2000, it's a bit deeper and more detailed than the ubiquitous Pocket Sky Atlas, and facing every map is a nifty list of object. This said, many people start with the Pocket Sky Atlas, and never go beyond it, but your projects seem to require something more extensive. The SA2000 comes with a graded stencil allowing you to plot exactly where objects are. Even when they are to dim and not represented on the map, plotting them can give you a very good idea of what to look for, and where to find it at the eyepiece.

There is also the option to print. I don't know whether it's a resource you are aware of, and use, but one of the great digital works is the Tri Atlas. The "C" set is quite detailed.

As for the object compendium, the Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep-Sky Objects is also worth every penny. You can check it out Google . Scroll to a page beyond page #21, to see what the "meat" of the book looks like. Supply of this book is dwindling, though, so if you're interested don't wait too long, the price is going up and availability is getting scarce.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: pahoota]
      #5913061 - 06/10/13 01:13 PM

I would get both. The Night Sky Observer's Guide and Uranometria 2000.0 complement each other well. The All-Sky version of Uranometria is really a bargain for $60. The Uranometria Deep Sky Field Guide is nice to have, but that's something you can get later on. The Uranometria maps do have a narrow field of view, but you could first use something with a wider field of view like the Pocket Sky Atlas to help you find the right maps in Uranometria.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: turtle86]
      #5913440 - 06/10/13 03:55 PM

Does the all-sky edition include that large-scale finder atlas that was in the 2-volume set?

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5914430 - 06/11/13 01:53 AM

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Does the all-sky edition include that large-scale finder atlas that was in the 2-volume set?




No, I believe that it does not, which is sad, as that kind of made the 2nd edition a lot more useful. Clear skies to you.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5915469 - 06/11/13 05:13 PM

It is optional:

WillBell web page


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Pollux556]
      #5915718 - 06/11/13 07:37 PM

The only option I see is for the acetate overlays. Where are you seeing an option for the large-scale finder atlas?

Wait, maybe I wasn't being clear: by large-scale finder atlas, I meant the mini-atlas at the front that shows large areas on each map, and directs you to the main atlas page for each area. It's like having Tirion's "Bright Star Atlas" built in. That would be an unfortunate thing to leave out!


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: pahoota]
      #5915774 - 06/11/13 08:10 PM

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The Night Sky Observer's Guide (vols 1 and 2) and Uranometria 2000




Both; or substitute Sky Atlas 2000 for Uranometria 2000.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5915893 - 06/11/13 09:41 PM

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The only option I see is for the acetate overlays. Where are you seeing an option for the large-scale finder atlas?

Wait, maybe I wasn't being clear: by large-scale finder atlas, I meant the mini-atlas at the front that shows large areas on each map, and directs you to the main atlas page for each area. It's like having Tirion's "Bright Star Atlas" built in. That would be an unfortunate thing to leave out!




Ah ! Sorry Rick I misunderstood... again....


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Pollux556]
      #5915955 - 06/11/13 10:15 PM

Entirely my fault.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5915983 - 06/11/13 10:27 PM

I have the single volume and it does have the charts in the front as well as the close up charts of Virgo, Orion, etc,

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #5915993 - 06/11/13 10:32 PM

Ah! Good news!

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #5916294 - 06/12/13 03:11 AM

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I have the single volume and it does have the charts in the front as well as the close up charts of Virgo, Orion, etc,




Is this the Index map charts or the "mini" star atlas (Uranometria Star Map (22 charts: I through XXII))? It was my understanding from Don Pensack that they were missing in this "All Sky" version:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5529971/page...

So who is right?


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5916644 - 06/12/13 10:15 AM

I will take a look in mine tonight and let you know David.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5916918 - 06/12/13 12:51 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I have the single volume and it does have the charts in the front as well as the close up charts of Virgo, Orion, etc,




Is this the Index map charts or the "mini" star atlas (Uranometria Star Map (22 charts: I through XXII))? It was my understanding from Don Pensack that they were missing in this "All Sky" version:

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5529971/page...

So who is right?




The single-volume edition has index charts, but no mini-atlas. The index charts are significantly more detailed (and with better cartography) than the ones in the two-volume edition, but they're nowhere near the level of detail of the mini-atlas.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #5917310 - 06/12/13 04:31 PM

I guess I don't know what you all mean by "mini atlas". The index charts are on the front inside cover for northern hemisphere and southern is the next page, the "Detail" charts are in the back as appendices. What is the "mini atlas" we are chatting about? I sold my two volume set to fund the new version so cannot look for this "mini atlas" of which you all speak. I really like the new one volume format as it reduces weight and books in the field.

Edited by cliff mygatt (06/12/13 04:41 PM)


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cliff mygatt]
      #5917500 - 06/12/13 06:37 PM

Cliff,

The "mini atlas" is a large-scale atlas, similar to something like Norton's, Bright Star Atlas 2000, or the Cambridge Star Atlas. It's at the beginning of the U2000. It contains about 25 charts down to about mag. 6, and it's divided up so you can tell what chart in the main atlas shows in detail the small part of the mini atlas you're looking at. It's a "finder" atlas - you locate the area you're interested in, and then turn to the appropriate page in the main atlas.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5917736 - 06/12/13 09:12 PM

Thanks, I guess I never used that part for some reason. I always used the inside cover showing what constellation was where!

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5917789 - 06/12/13 09:40 PM

Thanks for adding to the discussion everyone; this thread really helped me make a decision.

I ordered the newest Uranometria. When it arrives I'll give my opinion of it from the perspective of someone returning to Astronomy after 25 years.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5918327 - 06/13/13 08:20 AM

Rick,

I have the Uranometria 87-88 edition ( the first ? ) and this mini-atlas does not appear. The index is at the last page off each volume

Edited by Pollux556 (06/13/13 08:24 AM)


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Pollux556]
      #5918732 - 06/13/13 01:01 PM

Andre,

The first edition doesn't have the mini-atlas. That was one of the changes in the second edition.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #5919673 - 06/13/13 10:27 PM

Thanks Rick.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Pollux556]
      #5921037 - 06/14/13 06:20 PM

Received the Uranometria 2000.0 Deep Sky Atlas yesterday from Willman-Bell. Excellent customer service by the way. The book was very well package and even though I chose the free media mail option for shipping, it only took one day to get here (due to proximity to Richmond where the publisher shipped from).

As already been noted in the thread, the book has large scale "index charts" in the first six pages which provide the chart number for the 220 or so main charts in the body of the book.

I'm returning to astronomy and consider myself a beginner again. Still, despite the density of raw information in the book, I'm not intimidated by it. It seems very useful to anyone serious about the hobby, even beginners.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cuir]
      #5922699 - 06/15/13 06:57 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Can anyone recommend either of these books




They both are highly regarded. As for what reference work you use, it all depends on your needs. Do you currently need a no-nonsense, easy to use compendium of described objects or a an Atlas ? The road of "either" and "or" is perhaps not the ideal solution... Perhaps you need both ?

Uranometria is great stuff, but the swath of sky covered by each map is very small. It's really helpful as an "extra" when you need more depth and your field Atlas is a magnitude 6~8, but as a main atlas, it's not very practical.

If you do not own a "regular" Atlas yet, I suggest you start with the Sky Atlas 2000 Field edition and it's companion book (Index). or at very least, the Cambridge star atlas 4th edition. - Though not as deep as SA2000, it's a bit deeper and more detailed than the ubiquitous Pocket Sky Atlas, and facing every map is a nifty list of object. This said, many people start with the Pocket Sky Atlas, and never go beyond it, but your projects seem to require something more extensive. The SA2000 comes with a graded stencil allowing you to plot exactly where objects are. Even when they are to dim and not represented on the map, plotting them can give you a very good idea of what to look for, and where to find it at the eyepiece.

There is also the option to print. I don't know whether it's a resource you are aware of, and use, but one of the great digital works is the Tri Atlas. The "C" set is quite detailed.

As for the object compendium, the Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep-Sky Objects is also worth every penny. You can check it out Google . Scroll to a page beyond page #21, to see what the "meat" of the book looks like. Supply of this book is dwindling, though, so if you're interested don't wait too long, the price is going up and availability is getting scarce.




Unfortunately they only let you view the beginning and the end. Not even a sample of one object??? Bring back book stores, so you can at least flip through the book to determine if it is worth buying!


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5922764 - 06/15/13 07:50 PM

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Unfortunately they only let you view the beginning and the end. Not even a sample of one object??? Bring back book stores, so you can at least flip through the book to determine if it is worth buying!





Here's an image of a couple of pages.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: pahoota]
      #5926617 - 06/17/13 11:35 PM

Totally different. NSOG is a field guide. Uranometria is a star atlas. The latter is for finding things. The former for understanding what they are once you've found them. They go hand in hand. Uranometria does have a tabular companion field guide, but it's static and lifeless. NSOG isn't as cultrually rich as Burnham's but as an observational guide for visual observers with modern larger aperture scopes, it is unsurpassed.

Regards,

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5927848 - 06/18/13 04:10 PM

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Unfortunately they only let you view the beginning and the end. Not even a sample of one object??? Bring back book stores, so you can at least flip through the book to determine if it is worth buying!




The link to Google shows 87 pages of it. You state expecting to see a "sample" target. The Obsever's handbook has very few images. It's a work with short and simple description of what to expect using 6, 10 and 12 inch scopes.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cuir]
      #5928578 - 06/19/13 01:19 AM

I'd go for the NSOG first if it was a toss up.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cuir]
      #5928897 - 06/19/13 10:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Unfortunately they only let you view the beginning and the end. Not even a sample of one object??? Bring back book stores, so you can at least flip through the book to determine if it is worth buying!




The link to Google shows 87 pages of it. You state expecting to see a "sample" target. The Obsever's handbook has very few images. It's a work with short and simple description of what to expect using 6, 10 and 12 inch scopes.




I have it. It is remarkable for accuracy and detail, a work of devotion and craftsmanship. A tour de force in that respect.

Unfortunately its prose is dreadful, even for a catalog.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5929554 - 06/19/13 03:42 PM

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NSOG isn't as culturally rich as Burnham's but as an observational guide for visual observers with modern larger aperture scopes, it is unsurpassed.




Maybe. After an early phase of infatuation shortly after I bought it, I find that I refer to NSOG surprisingly rarely.

The problem is that it's neither here nor there. Burnham's is clearly focused, beautifully written, and coherent -- but severely limited. It is a great work in its way, but you have no expectation that it's going to cover most of the objects you look at.

NSOG tries to be an expanded Burnham's, but it's too scattered -- written by multiple authors -- to be clear and coherent, and it's still far too small to cover most of the objects I look at. It was OK when I owned just a 7-inch scope, but my 12.5-incher easily shows ten times as many objects as NSOG covers.

So if I want a really comprehensive set of descriptions, I go out to the internet -- for instance, Steve Gottlieb's notes on the NGC/IC site. And if I want clear, engaging, in-depth coverage of a large (though by no means comprehensive) set of objects, I refer to Sue French's Deep-Sky Wonders book.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5929604 - 06/19/13 04:11 PM

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Totally different. NSOG is a field guide. Uranometria is a star atlas. The latter is for finding things. The former for understanding what they are once you've found them. They go hand in hand. Uranometria does have a tabular companion field guide, but it's static and lifeless. NSOG isn't as cultrually rich as Burnham's but as an observational guide for visual observers with modern larger aperture scopes, it is unsurpassed.

Regards,

Jim




Good, yes. Unsurpassed? Well, maybe not. NSOG has a lot of information in it, but it also has its share of problems. Many of the descriptions tend to be a little on the conservative side when it comes to describing what can be seen, and the number of supplied aperture descriptions for the objects are not consistent enough. Sometimes, you will find descriptions for four inch, six, eight, ten inch, or larger apertures, while with other objects, you may find only one or two larger apertures mentioned (even when the object is quite visible in smaller apertures). This tends to contribute to a sort of "large scope bias" when it comes to describing what might be seen. There are also a few annoying errors in the descriptions. One glaring example is with the description of the edge-on galaxy NGC 4111 which claims a dust lane is visible (the object has no such feature, as can be seen in deep images of it). Another example is the error on the Horsehead in the main text portion that says that an OIII filter is useful on it (it actually *vanishes* if you try that). This has made me take the descriptions provided in NSOG with a considerable grain of salt sometimes. For accuracy, I prefer something like Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects, by Luginbuhl & Skiff, which pre-dated NSOG. It doesn't have as many objects or diagrams, but its descriptive information is more consistent and more in line to what I have seen. Indeed, from a careful read of some of the descriptions in NSOG, it appears that just a little bit of the information in NSOG may have originated from Luginbuhl & Skiff's work. NSOG is good, but it could definitely have been better. As for the Uranometria "Field Guide", the only problem with it is its name. It probably should have been called a "Companion Catalog", as it is a very good source for all the data on the objects covered in the Atlas. It can be highly useful to me in the field for quickly determining whether an object might be within range of my scope or not. Clear skies to you.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #5930046 - 06/19/13 08:57 PM

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NSOG tries to be an expanded Burnham's,...




I don't agree. The NSOG is just what it is, and makes no attempt at the depth of coverage of Burnham's. It's just descriptions of observed objects. Burnham made it all very personal; Kepple & Sanner just compiled the observations and tried to present them in a consistent fashion.

All the criticisms of the NSOG are probably valid; but sheesh, it's just an observing guide. There aren't too many like it out there; and it's our job to look for ourselves, anyway.

A good library should have all the above works (U2K, NSOG, Burnham's, and L&S), in any event.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: David Knisely]
      #5930277 - 06/19/13 10:58 PM

Unsurpassed. Is there another written work (not digital; in book form) as comprehensive in field guide terms as NSOG? No.

Now, if Tony would undertake to do a "Flanders Celestial Handbook" covering every visual object accessible in a 12" scope under suburban skies, I'd be all over it. In fact, I might help fund it. But until then, NSOG is the state-of-the-art printed modern field guide. Props to the authors for having the wherewithal to undertake the NSOG project.

- Jim

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5930568 - 06/20/13 03:07 AM

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Unsurpassed. Is there another written work (not digital; in book form) as comprehensive in field guide terms as NSOG? No.

Now, if Tony would undertake to do a "Flanders Celestial Handbook" covering every visual object accessible in a 12" scope under suburban skies, I'd be all over it. In fact, I might help fund it. But until then, NSOG is the state-of-the-art printed modern field guide. Props to the authors for having the wherewithal to undertake the NSOG project.

- Jim




Being "comprehensive" may not be the end goal. If I have an object described both in Luginbuhl & Skiff and NSOG and I have a question about what is visible, Luginbuhl & Skiff often provides a better answer in its descriptions. The consistency in the apertures used and observing sites/conditions stated in the book are superior to those in NSOG. As I said, NSOG has a lot of information, but some of it might be a little less useful than material from other sources. Clear skies to you.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5930634 - 06/20/13 05:41 AM

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Unsurpassed. Is there another written work (not digital; in book form) as comprehensive in field guide terms as NSOG? No.




Agreed. For all its faults, the NSOG is an extremely impressive work. But as with star atlases, print is no longer the cutting edge.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #5931427 - 06/20/13 02:38 PM

"But as with star atlases, print is no longer the cutting edge."

I do not disagree. But "cutting edge" and "best option" are different things. Illuminated devices in the field compromise dark adaptation, whether a dimmable red LED for reading a target list or Atlas or an illuminated computer, tablet or smartphone screen. Minimizing light levels using paper based resources is not much of a problem; it's easy to get the LED flashlight just bright enough to allow reading paper and nothing more. That's because it is analog in brightness adjustment with an infinite number of brightness settings.

Not so electronic devices like iPads. Digital pre-defined settings as often as not end up too bright or too dim, and lack the granularity of an analog dimmer. There's a lengthy thread in the equipment forum right now debating different red films available for mobile device screens. The maker of Sky Safari, despite that application's "night mode" nonetheless uses red film on his mobile device.

Why? Because digital atlases and field guides, though state of the art technologically, are in many ways a less satisfactory solution in the field than print, even today. Perhaps not tomorrow, but for now I think print remains more than viable in the field.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5931516 - 06/20/13 03:29 PM

I think it fortunate for us that there are today so many good guides / sources not relegated to the bit. IMO each author or work brings something important to the party and I enjoy them all. Some provide co-ordinates and nothing else, others provide lengthy descriptions of certain areas or objects, others try for both in a narrow category. Times are good.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5932331 - 06/21/13 12:05 AM

I enjoy using SkySafari, but I also enjoy using both Uranometria and NSOG. Each has its own advantages (and disadvantages), so I'm really glad that I don't have to choose between one or the other.

As for NSOG versus Luginbuhl & Skiff, I'm glad that I have both, but if I could keep only one, in this case it would be a no-brainer: NSOG. It simply has much more to offer overall. It has many more objects, is illustrated with sketches, images, and charts, and is more fun to read to boot. And that's not even counting Craig Crossen's terrific introduction.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: turtle86]
      #5932902 - 06/21/13 12:14 PM

Now if they would just create Kindle editions of all of these works...



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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5932958 - 06/21/13 12:55 PM

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Unfortunately its prose is dreadful, even for a catalog.




Well, it's a subjective thing, but I don't need bloated prose in such a piece of work. "Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects" provides concise, informative texts that are to the point, bloat-free and based on a consistent set of instruments, providing a reliable comparison base. That reliable comparison base and constant type of short narrative is what make it so excellent, in my view.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #5933838 - 06/21/13 10:30 PM

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Totally different. NSOG is a field guide. Uranometria is a star atlas. The latter is for finding things. The former for understanding what they are once you've found them. They go hand in hand. Uranometria does have a tabular companion field guide, but it's static and lifeless. NSOG isn't as cultrually rich as Burnham's but as an observational guide for visual observers with modern larger aperture scopes, it is unsurpassed.

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Jim




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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: cuir]
      #5935456 - 06/22/13 10:13 PM

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Unfortunately its prose is dreadful, even for a catalog.




Well, it's a subjective thing, but I don't need bloated prose in such a piece of work. "Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects" provides concise, informative texts that are to the point, bloat-free and based on a consistent set of instruments, providing a reliable comparison base. That reliable comparison base and constant type of short narrative is what make it so excellent, in my view.




Ordered Used copy of "Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects" for $10 including shipping. Hope it is as good as you say.


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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: faackanders2]
      #5935837 - 06/23/13 03:26 AM

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Ordered Used copy of "Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects" for $10 including shipping. Hope it is as good as you say.




I don't know where you got that for $10 but if all the pages are still there its a pretty sweet deal.

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: beatlejuice]
      #5936013 - 06/23/13 08:46 AM

Indeed, at 10$ it is a very sweet deal!

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Re: NSOG or Uranometria or... ? new [Re: beatlejuice]
      #5936080 - 06/23/13 09:46 AM

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Ordered Used copy of "Observing Handbook and Catalogue of Deep Sky Objects" for $10 including shipping. Hope it is as good as you say.



I don't know where you got that for $10 but if all the pages are still there its a pretty sweet deal.
Eric



Not only is it a sweet deal but it is worth it too.


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