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Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here!
      #6112744 - 10/02/13 09:56 AM

After more than 10 years of preparation, it is finally here and available for sale:

The new Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas by Ronald Stoyan and Stephan Schurig, printed and distributed by Oculum-Verlag, Erlangen, Germany.

This spiral-bound Atlas has a quadratic size of 28x28cm and is available in two versions (content is the same):

The Normal Version is printed on smooth-coated quality Offset paper, it weights 1'415 grams, price is 79,90 Euros plus shipping.

The Premium Version is printed on water resistant Polyart paper (a synthetic and light paper based on Polyethylene, structure and feel resembles very much to conventional paper), it weights 1'055 grams, price is 129,90 Euros plus shipping.


The publisher's descriptive pages of the Atlas are in German only, use Google Translator to read them:

About the Authors

Philosophy

Features

Sample Pages

Chart Key

Comparison with Uranometria 2000.0 2nd edition

Legend

User Tips


Order Link Normal Version

Order Link Premium Version


The new and unique idea behind this Deep Sky Atlas is that it categorizes the visually observable deep sky objects according their visibility for apertures of 4" (100mm), 8" (200mm), 12" (300mm), and very difficult objects for apertures above 12". The distinction between the four aperture categories is easily recognizable by different font sizes, so the user sees at a glance, if an object is - depending on the limiting magnitude of his observing night & site - within visual reach of his instrument or not. (For the categorizing system by different font sizes, see the "Sample Pages" link above.)
The object visibility for each aperture category in this Atlas is based on a limiting magnitude 6.5 sky and is matched to an experienced observer.

I am a visual-only observer and appreciate the highly practice-oriented concept and layout of Oculum's new Deep Sky Atlas. After a comparo with my other atlasses and maps, there remains no doubt that this new Deep Sky Atlas in the tough and water resistant Premium Version will be my new all time companion at the telescope.

The new Deep Sky Atlas is da bomb, check it out.


Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6112770 - 10/02/13 10:07 AM

Looks nice!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: esd726]
      #6113428 - 10/02/13 03:57 PM

Very nice atlas, indeed... but what's with the slight vertically-offset registration on most of the numbers and labels on the sample charts?

Edited to add: that was an artifact of the .pdf's portrayal at normal magnification; when zoomed a little in it disappeared.

Edited by amicus sidera (10/02/13 04:01 PM)


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #6113492 - 10/02/13 04:23 PM

Looks great. I like the synthetic paper option offered in the deluxe version, which sounds similar to what was used by Lymax for the Herald-Bobroff. Also like the color. Think I'll be ordering a copy!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #6113496 - 10/02/13 04:25 PM

A note on the sample pages: The left column shows four actual maps as they appear in the Deep Sky Atlas.
The right column shows the same maps with explaining labels added, who help to understand the categorizing system.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6113935 - 10/02/13 08:04 PM

For the most part, a very attractive offering.

I like how emission and reflection nebulae are color coded red and blue, respectively. (I insisted upon such a scheme back in 2002 when involved with the Desktop Universe software project.)

Oddly, while exceedingly low surface nebulosities are outlined, the brighter specimens often have 'shrunken' outlines, perhaps confining to the brighter isophote. (The Heart nebula, IC1805, is a good example.) I would prefer to see a 'fuller' size, even if it means an additional and different color outline to reflect the fainter extent.

I noted that the symbol for Stock 23 (Pazmino's cluster) is noticeably offset from the stellar group. Makes me wonder if some catalogue data are older and still containing innaccurate positions.

I prefer to not have 'common' DSO name labels printed in addition to the catalog ID, although here it doesn't seem to result in bad clutter.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #6114163 - 10/02/13 10:00 PM

German language only? It has an interesting mix of English and German common names.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: rockethead26]
      #6116291 - 10/03/13 11:07 PM

I'm embarrassed to be all provincial and unilingual, but with the sunk costs, wouldn't an English version for the UK and US make financial sense?

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6116680 - 10/04/13 08:04 AM

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I'm embarrassed to be all provincial and unilingual(snip)




I'm not. Make it all in English, or no sale.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #6117144 - 10/04/13 12:11 PM

Looks beautiful, though i don't speak or read other languages besides english, so its not for me.
One problem with the red/blue nebulae colors- the red ones will be invisible when used in the field with red flashlights.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: swalker]
      #6117307 - 10/04/13 01:43 PM

Quote:

Looks beautiful, though i don't speak or read other languages besides english, so its not for me.



Map 30 left page Cygnus et al: "Cloverleaf Nebula", "Seahorse Nebula", "Patchick I", "Campbell's Hydrogen Star", "Snail Cluster", "Fish on a Platter". Well, I see a lot of English names.
And the Legend of Stars and Deep Sky Objects, which is printed on the inside of front cover (Normal Version), respectively attached in card form to the inside of front cover (Premium Version), even if in German, is quite easy to be understood by international users. Ok, ok, or allow 3 minutes to get used to it.



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One problem with the red/blue nebulae colors- the red ones will be invisible when used in the field with red flashlights.



Yes. But the good part is that their b/w contour lines remain fully visible.


Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6117532 - 10/04/13 03:56 PM

I see no milky way isophotes. Indeed, I think the time is ripe for even such symbol-based charts to include a rather detailed continuous tone milky way of at least moderate detail. Along the lines of the Pocket Sky Atlas, but of far higher fidelity.

It seems the lovely carbon stars have been overlooked. This is a nice feature of the aforementioned PSA.

For nebulae, I would rather see a grading based on a representative surface brightness. The halfway experienced observer knows that at given surface brightness smaller objects require larger apertures. Or that at given size, higher surface brightness objects can be seen with smaller apertures.

The scheme of indicating a preferred filter (letter "O" for O-III, "U" for UHC and "H" for H-beta) for emission nebulae is a sound idea. I wonder if using color to differentiate might not be feasible? After all, the fundamental differentiator in most cases is the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen emission near 500nm.

Where there is is little or no oxygen emission, nebulae are dominated enormously by H-alpha, which makes a photo more pure red. If we use the H-alpha as the surrogate for H-beta, such a nebula is shown in a shade of red (appropriate for the surface brightness/visibility index.)

When oxygen emission becomes increasingly prominent, a photo takes on a pink or bluish-purple or even green hue (depending on sensor response and filtration.) Such nebulae could be colored purple, which is red and blue combined. (We don't want to use green, for planetaries--which are mostly oxygen-dominant--already use this color.)

And so red hued nebulae would be better seen with an H-beta filter, and purple hued nebulae would benefit from a UHC or O-III.

If we wished to differentiate between the near-equal hydrogen/oxygen emitters from those more prominently oxygen emitters, a third color could be used. Blue-green? Yes, it gets potentially confusing when breaking down to ever finer tints, and of course color blind users are not so well served. I guess I'm just rambling on about my own preferences, which would attempt to incorporate and show actual physical characteristics, and not rely on potentially arbitrary and ill-defined criteria as based on other, very human observer impressions.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #6117929 - 10/04/13 08:20 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm embarrassed to be all provincial and unilingual(snip)




I'm not. Make it all in English, or no sale.

Fred




Same here. Too bad.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: DavidNealMinnick]
      #6118039 - 10/04/13 09:36 PM

German doesn't deter me, so I'm thinking about it. Like the colors. I doubt I'd use this at the scope, so it works for me as a planning tool. Might be a nice addition beyond the B&W Uranometria or Millennial Atlases. 80 Euros puts it at about US$108. Single volume is a bit pricey, but as a useful coffee table book, I might bite!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6118442 - 10/05/13 02:58 AM

Quote:

I doubt I'd use this at the scope, so it works for me as a planning tool. Might be a nice addition beyond the B&W Uranometria or Millennial Atlases. 80 Euros puts it at about US$108. Single volume is a bit pricey, but as a useful coffee table book, I might bite!





Hi MacP,

Since I purchased both Versions, I can compare them well. Maybe the heavier Normal Version printed on conventional paper, weighting 1'415 grams, might be described as coffee table book.

But I can assure you by personal experience that the water resistant and light Premium Version is perfectly suited as tough workhorse outdoors at the telescope.
At 28x28cm (11x11 inches) and 1'055 grams, it is surprisingly compact and handy. With its very tough and 100% water resistant cover made of Priplak, you can put it elsewhere you want. Opened, it stays perfectly flat, no matter which map is needed. If any of the Polyart pages gets wet from dew, or even rain or snow, just gently pass a soft cotton cloth to absorb the water, later, at room temperature, the pages will dry perfectly and fast without getting wrinkled or otherwise damaged. Even if exposed to a heavy full day rainfall, it would survive without any damage. I have never before seen such a thing.

I intended to purchase the expensive Premium Version not as coffee table book, but as though outdoors companion and feel really impressed how it meets my high expectations. This one is the real MacCoy.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6146521 - 10/19/13 11:45 AM

Did anyone else buy this new Deep Sky Atlas from Oculum, and if yes, what is the opinion about it?

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: swalker]
      #6146545 - 10/19/13 11:54 AM

Quote:

Looks beautiful, though i don't speak or read other languages besides english, so its not for me.





Same for me.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: csa/montana]
      #6149109 - 10/20/13 09:19 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Looks beautiful, though i don't speak or read other languages besides english, so its not for me.





Same for me.




I was originally planning to buy this, but have since reconsidered for this reason. If an English version is ever published, I would buy it.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: turtle86]
      #6149267 - 10/21/13 04:19 AM

Well, a representative of Oculum told me that an English edition of the Deep Sky Atlas is not an impossible thing in the future, but they first have to find a right partner for such a cooperation.

In my opinion, an English edition will not change that much. The key part of the Atlas are the 114 double-paged maps and their layout and symbols are self-explaining for international users too.

At present there is no other water resistant Atlas like this available on the market: Optimized for the visual observer, it not only shows all visible NGC objects, but also contains the following complete (!) catalogues: Abell (PN), Arp, Basel, Barnard, Berkeley, Bochum, Fleming, Hartl-Weinberger, Hickson, Holmberg, Klemola, King, Menzel, Messier, Palomar, Terzan, Stock, Tombaugh and Trmpler. Plus 371 stars with known exoplanets.

All their symbols - and therefore the map readability in general - would be the same in an English edition.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6149552 - 10/21/13 10:06 AM

You make a good case, but I'd still prefer an English version. Another problem is that they don't have an English website like some other vendors, and I'm not sure that you can place an order after using Google Translate.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: turtle86]
      #6149622 - 10/21/13 10:45 AM

Rob, their German order link is as international as it gets

As far as I know, they added ALL overseas countries to their dropdown country list, check here (no Google Translator needed):

Order link Premium Version

To give an example for a buyer located in the U.S.A.: Just fill in the forename at "Vorname", name at "Nachname", street and street number at "Strasse/Hausnr.", zip code and town at "PLZ/Ort". Then click on the dropdown button next to "Land" (country) which opens the country list, scroll down and click on "Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika" (United States of America). Fill the e-mail address field, confirm the units ordered at "Menge" (units). Finish by clicking below on "Premiumversion sofort kaufen" and you are done! As easy as it gets.

After placing the order, a confirmation e-mail is sent to the buyer's e-mail address. Any e-mailed questions may be asked and will be responded in English language.

They are cool enough to ship without prepayment (!), at least to European customers (I do not know if this policy applies to overseas customers too, but I think so). They trust in their customers. Who else on the market still does this kind of customer-friendly service of decades long ago...

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: turtle86]
      #6149758 - 10/21/13 12:08 PM

I do not know much about paper weight. Is the normal version kind of like Uranometria grade paper?

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: turtle86]
      #6149759 - 10/21/13 12:09 PM

Given it's an sky atlas, not having it entirely in English really isn't a big deal. I can interpolate fairly easily. So that's not an issue.

It's just a matter if I want to spend $180 (and then shipping would be added).

Chris


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Ragaisis]
      #6149770 - 10/21/13 12:13 PM

Quote:

Given it's an sky atlas, not having it entirely in English really isn't a big deal. I can interpolate fairly easily. So that's not an issue.

It's just a matter if I want to spend $180 (and then shipping would be added).

Chris



This is how I feel also. I think it LOOKS great, but I don't have that much $ just laying around, esp to use on another atlas .


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: GlennLeDrew]
      #6149824 - 10/21/13 12:34 PM

Quote:

For the most part, a very attractive offering.

I like how emission and reflection nebulae are color coded red and blue, respectively. (I insisted upon such a scheme back in 2002 when involved with the Desktop Universe software project.)

Oddly, while exceedingly low surface nebulosities are outlined, the brighter specimens often have 'shrunken' outlines, perhaps confining to the brighter isophote. (The Heart nebula, IC1805, is a good example.) I would prefer to see a 'fuller' size, even if it means an additional and different color outline to reflect the fainter extent.

I noted that the symbol for Stock 23 (Pazmino's cluster) is noticeably offset from the stellar group. Makes me wonder if some catalogue data are older and still containing innaccurate positions.

I prefer to not have 'common' DSO name labels printed in addition to the catalog ID, although here it doesn't seem to result in bad clutter.




I also like the distinction is color symbos of reflection, emission, and dark nebulae. I like the attempt to show how easy or hart an objects apparent magnitude is (darker for smaller scopes vs. fainter for larger scopes required). This may be a first.

Do they have an engish legend, etc?


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Ragaisis]
      #6149855 - 10/21/13 12:59 PM

Quote:

It's just a matter if I want to spend $180 (and then shipping would be added).

Chris




Chris,

You are refering to the Premium Version. On export orders from outside the European Community, the German VAT will be deducted. The net export price of the Premium Version w/o VAT is EUR 121.40 (USD 166.00), plus shipping. Oculum's service is very customer-oriented, on overseas orders they automatically choose the most economical carrier.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: pjglad]
      #6149861 - 10/21/13 01:03 PM

Quote:

I do not know much about paper weight. Is the normal version kind of like Uranometria grade paper?




pjglad,

The Normal Version uses a high-grade smooth-coated Offset paper, its paper weight is heavier than the paper used for Uranometria.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: faackanders2]
      #6149892 - 10/21/13 01:25 PM

Quote:

Do they have an engish legend, etc?




faackanders2,

Not yet, but perhaps they will print one in English, if enough customers ask for it.

Checking the double-sided Legend, I would venture to say that the symbols are fairly well-understandable also for non-German speaking users. At least as long until an english Legend will be available.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6150060 - 10/21/13 03:28 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I do not know much about paper weight. Is the normal version kind of like Uranometria grade paper?




pjglad, the Normal Version uses a high-grade smooth-coated Offset paper, its paper weight is heavier than the paper used for Uranometria.

Stephan




An update on the paper weight of the Normal Version.

I did some measurements for you: Total Atlas weight of 1,415 grams, less estimated weight for spiral binding and cover, divided by total paper used for one Atlas (132 pages 26x28cm = 9.61m2) results in a paper weight of 140g/m2. Hope this helps.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6151026 - 10/22/13 02:46 AM

I bought mine through Amazon. You might want to check its availability there.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: obrazell]
      #6151807 - 10/22/13 02:35 PM

It can be found on the UK and DE Amazon sites. Not yet on the US site from Amazon directly.

Another resource is The Book Depository out of the UK. I just purchased the premium paper version for US$135.21 with free international shipping.

Edited by macpurity (10/22/13 03:58 PM)


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6154779 - 10/24/13 03:15 AM

Stephan,

Thanks for bringing the atlas to our attention; even with the German text, I'm rather intrigued by it, and I've been musing over the samples; seems quite self-explanatory even for non-speakers. I *am* tempted - think I'll email them to see if an English edition is in the works ...


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: core]
      #6154989 - 10/24/13 08:41 AM

Peter,

Glad you like it. After having purchased this new Deep Sky Atlas, I felt very impressed and thought this one deserves praise. This was the reason to start this thread and to share my experience with this outstanding new publication here on CN, and answering to my best knowledge to all questions that arose in the meantime.

As a Swiss, I am perfectly happy with the German edition, but I hope that the publisher will also consider an English edition, for all of my fellow deep sky map lovers here on CN and the rest of the world, who really want to see it with an English legend & introduction.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! *DELETED* new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6156044 - 10/24/13 06:02 PM

Post deleted by Pollux556

Edited by Pollux556 (10/24/13 09:33 PM)


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Pollux556]
      #6156125 - 10/24/13 06:45 PM

Nice . Like I said before, I wish I had enough to spend on it to get it. It doesn't REALLY bother me that it's not in English. From the pictures, the objects on the actual charts are enough in English (plus knowing what is there also helps when NOT in English) to make it look like a VERY nice addition to my other atlases. Just don't have that sort of $ just sitting around that I COULD spend on another one right now .

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6157777 - 10/25/13 04:37 PM Attachment (21 downloads)

For fun, I compared the double cluster in Perseus with GAOTS.

Edit: Not necessarily in scale.

Edited by Pollux556 (10/25/13 04:38 PM)


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Pollux556]
      #6157858 - 10/25/13 05:18 PM

Well, this would appear to be a decent atlas for 8" and down or for larger instruments used in heavy light pollution.
But Uranometria 2000.0 (now compressed to 1 volume) has over twice the DSO count and STILL comes up shy of displaying what CAN be seen in a 12.5" under dark skies.
I would contend that if the atlas is oriented to the visual observer it should show at least the number of objects visible in that aperture in perfect conditions, even if most observers won't see all the objects, because you never know what will or won't be visible to a particular observer.
That means this would be a decent atlas for a 4-8" scope owner, but not really adequate for larger scopes.
So that means it covers a lot of ground already covered by other atlases.
What is lacking is the printed atlas for, say, an 18" scope in pristine skies (probably over 100,000 DSOs). There was going to be one, but it never found a publisher (too small a target audience, computer atlases taking over, etc.).
Still, this looks nice, and I admire the creator for making another decent atlas available.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Starman1]
      #6158594 - 10/26/13 02:58 AM

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Well, this would appear to be a decent atlas for 8" and down or for larger instruments used in heavy light pollution.
But Uranometria 2000.0 (now compressed to 1 volume) has over twice the DSO count and STILL comes up shy of displaying what CAN be seen in a 12.5" under dark skies.
I would contend that if the atlas is oriented to the visual observer it should show at least the number of objects visible in that aperture in perfect conditions, even if most observers won't see all the objects, because you never know what will or won't be visible to a particular observer.
That means this would be a decent atlas for a 4-8" scope owner, but not really adequate for larger scopes.





Don,

The Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas is meant for 4-12" scope owners.

The publisher states under FAQ (scroll down to 5th question), that the visibility categories in the Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas are calculed for a typical rural sky with naked eye limiting magnitude of 6.5, for experienced observers.

With regard to the object selection, the publisher gives under Philosophie (Philosophy) the following informations as stated below. I traduced the original text of points 1.) & 2.), which refers to the object selection and visibility by aperture, from German to English:

"1.) Object Selection:
Quality, not quantity - conventional star atlases show deep sky objects regardless of whether they are visually visible or not. Usually much too many objects are listed that can not be seen. In contrast, others that are quite achievable with typical amateur telescopes are missing. The Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas shows only objects that are visually observable fact - and therefore significantly less than similar atlases. The maps are therefore exempt from invisible targets and show what is actually seen - more than 15,000 deep-sky objects."

"2.) Visibility Categories:
In the Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas all objects are registered by their actual visual visibility for telescope apertures of 4"(100mm), 8" (200mm) and 12" (300mm), so you can be sure therefore, that an object actually is visible when you look for it. They also recognize at first glance which objects might by difficult to be seen (also under a mag 6.5 sky). The visual observability for the three aperture categories was calculated with "Eye & Telescope" software and is matched to a typical country sky (mag 6.5 as specified above), hardly visible borderline cases were sorted out. This review is based solely on the overall brightness of the object, based on a complex algorithm that has been proven at "Eye & Telescope" for more than 10 years. Results of selection were compared with the 15,000 in the "Deep-Sky-List" documented observations and corrected accordingly. In addition to the three visibility categories, special challenges and objects for apertures over 12.5" are listed."


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6158959 - 10/26/13 11:12 AM

Stephan,

Yes, I read that, but I disagree with the author's understanding of what is and isn't visible for a particular aperture.

What this gets to is an understanding of how to create a "visibility index" of what is visible and what is not visible in a particular aperture. This has been discussed extensively over the years by many people here on Cloudy Nights. And the conclusions we came to was that it was nearly impossible to do so. A ranking by total integrated magnitude didn't make sense because some faint objects ranked higher than some bright ones. A ranking by surface brightness didn't make sense because it favored small objects over large ones even if the large one was more visible (or even visible to the naked eye!).

So how did the authors decide what was visible in a particular aperture? By viewing all 15,000 objects? I doubt it.
Here is my discussion of how ranking objects by visibility fails:
http://www.eyepiecesetc.com/DSO_Visibility_Index_p/visibility-index.htm
(see Extended Information" for the article).

So it is my guess they used integrated magnitude to decide what was and wasn't visible in a particular aperture, and this doesn't even come close for galaxies alone and works very poorly for any form of extended nebula.

Last is the understanding of just exactly what is the limit of a particular aperture.

For instance, for stars, a 4" under absolutely perfect conditions may reach magnitude 15.0. Under bad conditions, as low as magnitude 10.5. Needless to say, the deep sky objects that can be viewed in the first set of conditions will be radically different than in the second set of conditions.

The author of the atlas used a rule to decide what was and wasn't going to be visible in a particular aperture of scope and, like the authors of the Millenium Sky Atlas, chose to be quite conservative. I would argue that a star atlas for visual use should contain all the objects possibly visible in perfect conditions for whatever aperture at which the atlas is aimed.

In my experience in the field over 50 years of observing, I think the authors erred on the side of conservatism in their choice of objects.
Uranometria has >31,000 objects shown on the charts and I am continually discovering that objects not on the charts are visible in my 12.5". When I had an 8", I noticed the same thing when using other atlases. When I got rid of my 8", I had 9300 objects in my log and had barely scratched the surface of the UMA-CVN-CBR-VIR area. I also noticed that a lot of objects were visible in the 8" that shouldn't have been, based on magnitude. So I stopped paying attention to visibility estimates and assumed I could see an object unless proven otherwise.

There isn't a problem with having an object listed that isn't visible in a particular aperture in poor conditions. It just pushes the observer to look for the object when conditions are better or when they have more experience in viewing objects at the limit. It's very upsetting to an observer to continually see objects that aren't in his charts, however. Then, tracking down the identification of the object becomes a chore--a pleasant chore, perhaps, but a chore nonetheless. Better to show more objects than can be seen at first, but which can be ferreted out by observing longer or returning to the site under better conditions.

Hence, I think this will be a great atlas for the 4" to 8" scope owner. For the 12" and larger scope, though? Not so great, in my opinion.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Starman1]
      #6159224 - 10/26/13 01:51 PM

This nicely demonstrates how different people are. I want an atlas to show what I can almost certainly see - to go deeper I can always use Cartes du Ciel. The main problem I've been having with printed atlases is that I need/want a "small atlas" DSO selection on a "big atlas" scale. This Interstellarium atlas is really coming close to my ideal atlas. I'm just waiting a bit to see if international interest is sufficient to get an English version anytime soon.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Starman1]
      #6159260 - 10/26/13 02:10 PM

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So I stopped paying attention to visibility estimates and assumed I could see an object unless proven otherwise.




This is the greatest single line of advice I have ever heard about DSO observing.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Starman1]
      #6159266 - 10/26/13 02:12 PM

Don,

Thank you for sharing your standpoint, based on over 50 years of observing. I highly appreciate your well-founded input to this discussion.

Generally, the deep sky atlas related discussion "How many deep sky objects are enough?" is an interesting and most likely never ending discussion.

Speaking of printed Atlasses, I think we have a lot of great choices today: Willman-Bell's "Uranometria", Piotr Brych's "Great Atlas of the Sky" (discontinued), Sky Publishing's "Millenium Sky Atlas" (discontinued), or even Gerhard Stropek's ring-bound Deep Sky Beobachteratlas, and many more. Each of them has its advantages and disadvantages.

There is no perfect solution which fits ALL needs, nor will ever be one. Even less for the observer at the telescope who needs/wants a tough and humidity-proof deep sky atlas companion with compact and convenient dimensions.
But for all of us who just want such a handy companion, Oculum's "Deep Sky Atlas" could be the perfect choice. I buyed it and would - despite of its high price for the water-proof Premium Version - buy it again at any time.

I look forward to read any further user comments on Oculum's new "Deep Sky Atlas".


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Mark9473]
      #6159296 - 10/26/13 02:28 PM

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This nicely demonstrates how different people are. I want an atlas to show what I can almost certainly see - to go deeper I can always use Cartes du Ciel. The main problem I've been having with printed atlases is that I need/want a "small atlas" DSO selection on a "big atlas" scale. This Interstellarium atlas is really coming close to my ideal atlas. I'm just waiting a bit to see if international interest is sufficient to get an English version anytime soon.



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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: esd726]
      #6159324 - 10/26/13 02:50 PM

And, with any computer atlas, like Cartes du Ciel, you can always print a chart at any scale you want, with any amount of depth in DSOs and stars you desire.
You could even duplicate any printed atlas but add just a few DSOs, etc.
Yes, in this computer era, you can pretty much print your own atlas.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6163168 - 10/28/13 07:03 PM

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I look forward to read any further user comments on Oculum's new "Deep Sky Atlas".




Just got an email today that my premium copy is on its way! Given that it is "blowing like stink" in the UK (nautical phrase), it may be slightly delayed. I'll offer a short report when it arrives. I expect it will be here within two weeks. Looking forward to the new addition to my collection of bound atlases.

I use hard copies as well as computer/iPad planetarium apps. Heck I even wrote my own custom star charting software (bashing the heck out of the Generic Mapping Tools in a Unix script), so if I want highly detailed charts including UCAC4 stars plotted, I can do that too. Helpful for use at the 16" or 20" club scopes. I anticipate that the Interstellarium atlas will become a favorite planning resource, as a way to get a slightly bigger picture.

Stephan, does the premium paper allow for penciled notes, or are the sheets too slick? I was going to say that I'm not very kind to my books because I write notes in the margins. But I have to say one of my favorite Astro books on my shelf is a very heavily annotated copy of Webb's guide (Dover version) which the previous owner read from cover to cover and copiously made his own notes. I have no idea who may wind up with my books; whoever it is will find my "personality" scribbled in the margins...


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6163897 - 10/29/13 03:04 AM

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Stephan, does the premium paper allow for penciled notes, or are the sheets too slick?




MacP,

Glad your Premium copy is on the way!

The surface of the synthetical Polyart paper is not too slick and may be inscribed very well. You can use both, regular pencils and also write 'n rub foiling pens or similar products.
Oculum's Deep Sky Atlas webpage states that annotations made by walter soluble inks can be removed at any time, using just a little water.
In addition to this info, I just read elsewhere on a German site, that while annotations made with write 'n rub foiling pens (or water soluble inks) are removable from the Polyart paper of the Atlas, a very slight colour shade remains. The reason for this might be, that the Polyart paper has a micro coarse surface which holds really well any inscriptions or annotations.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6164187 - 10/29/13 09:19 AM

The more I hear about this atlas, the more I like it. And given my scope is only 85mm, the depth is right.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Ragaisis]
      #6165032 - 10/29/13 05:40 PM

Today I received my copy (Premium version). This is an atlas to behold. I own 8 different star atlasses from the Pocket Star Atlas to Millenium Star Atlas but this one is different!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: sabant]
      #6165038 - 10/29/13 05:46 PM

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Today I received my copy (Premium version). This is an atlas to behold. I own 8 different star atlasses from the Pocket Star Atlas to Millenium Star Atlas but this one is different!




Glad you like it too. Welcome to the Premium IDSA family!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: sabant]
      #6172153 - 11/02/13 03:40 PM

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Today I received my copy (Premium version). This is an atlas to behold. I own 8 different star atlasses from the Pocket Star Atlas to Millenium Star Atlas but this one is different!




Mine arrived today, too. Less than a week after having been sent from the UK. Not bad!

Have only had a few minutes to look it over, but I agree with Sabant that it is different. I have quite a few atlases, as well, and I'll be using this one more than, say, the Millennium Atlas.

I had made an earlier comment about notating the pages. Now that I've seen the atlas in person, I doubt I'll be doing that. First, there are no margins; the atlas is printed all the way to the edge of the sheets. Secondly, it's too darn pretty to mark up! I've already marked the heck out of my Pocket Atlas, so I'll simply continue to add notes there.

Thanks, Stephan, for alerting the CN gang to the existence of this atlas. I appreciate that some folks would like it in English, but if you're using it to look at charts of the heavens, it doesn't really matter that much. The introductory material is fairly minimal and is probably covered in other Astro material.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6172334 - 11/02/13 05:40 PM

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I had made an earlier comment about notating the pages. Now that I've seen the atlas in person, I doubt I'll be doing that. First, there are no margins; the atlas is printed all the way to the edge of the sheets. Secondly, it's too darn pretty to mark up!



Yes MacP, I think this piece of astro map art is simply too beautiful to be marked up.


Quote:

Thanks, Stephan, for alerting the CN gang to the existence of this atlas.



Thank you for your nice words.


Quote:

I appreciate that some folks would like it in English, but if you're using it to look at charts of the heavens, it doesn't really matter that much. The introductory material is fairly minimal and is probably covered in other Astro material.



Yes, this is exactly what I tried to explain earlier in this thread.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6173157 - 11/03/13 05:10 AM

I'm soooo tempted, but right now I really should try to be a bit less frivolous with funds, so I'm trying hard to resist...

I've had the Reiseatlas Mond from Oculum since it came our earlier this year, and if the printing quality and choise of paper e.t.c. is equally high on the Deep Sky Atlas, I'm sure it would be a very nice and fieldworthy atlas.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Patrik Iver]
      #6173371 - 11/03/13 09:45 AM

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I've had the Reiseatlas Mond from Oculum since it came our earlier this year, and if the printing quality and choise of paper e.t.c. is equally high on the Deep Sky Atlas, I'm sure it would be a very nice and fieldworthy atlas.




Patrik,

The Oculum-Verlag webpage gives no info on the paper weight used, but according my measurements earlier in this thread (see post #6150060 - 21/10/13 03:28 PM), the Normal Version uses a high-grade smooth-coated Offset paper with paper weight of approx. 140g/m2.
The water-proof Premium Version uses the luxury-class synthetical Polyart paper with paper weight of approx. 100g/m2. While it is considerably lighter than the conventional Offset paper of the Normal Version, the Polyart paper is much more durable and resistant. When you see and touch the light-weight, but super-smooth and super-tough Polyart paper, you will be nothing less than impressed - Promised!

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6173715 - 11/03/13 01:08 PM

You do realize you aren't making it any easier to resist...

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Patrik Iver]
      #6176441 - 11/04/13 10:20 PM

I wanted to jump in and say that, if we are counting votes...I'd really prefer an English version. I own lots of Atlases including MSA, Piotr Birch, HB etc...and I mostly use a 20" scope... But I have smaller scopes and this would be useful for when I am using those...

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: WOBentley]
      #6177112 - 11/05/13 10:37 AM

I found a typo!

In the detail maps, at the back. The Pleiades should be labeled D8, not D7. Otherwise, there are two D7 maps (the real D7 is M42). Even the page edge has D5-D7 when it should read D5-D8. Oops!

Also, with respect to the detail maps, it would be nice if there was a reference to the main chart number. Otherwise, I'm really enjoying this fine atlas.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6177160 - 11/05/13 11:08 AM

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I found a typo!

In the detail maps, at the back. The Pleiades should be labeled D8, not D7. Otherwise, there are two D7 maps (the real D7 is M42). Even the page edge has D5-D7 when it should read D5-D8. Oops!




Yes, you are right, someone in the German astronomy forum Astronomie.de reported this in the thread Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas (German post #1036684 - 20/09/2013 02:01). No detail maps are missing, label D7 just occurs twice, second map labeled D7 should read D8.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6182997 - 11/08/13 01:47 PM

Apparently, the limited edition of the water-proof Premium-Version of the Interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas sold like crazy and is already out of print.

Publisher's webpage states, that the Premium-Version is no longer available and that no reprint is planned at present.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6183013 - 11/08/13 01:58 PM

Wow! I feel very fortunate to have gotten one! There must be quite a few astronomers who wanted it. Presumably it sold well in Germany and Switzerland. If it sold well, it would be foolish not to offer a second printing. We'll see...

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6183031 - 11/08/13 02:06 PM

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If it sold well, it would be foolish not to offer a second printing. We'll see...




Yes, MacP, this is exactly what I am thinking too... WHAT are they waiting for?

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6184913 - 11/09/13 03:27 PM

Too funny! Today I found a paper copy of this atlas on my doorstep sent by Oculum/LKG. I had made an inquiry on the Oculum web site way back when Stephan first posted about the atlas and never received a reply. So to have this show up was quite a surprise. I'm glad to now have both a paper and premium copy. The paper version has a strong printer smell to it. Good ink!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6211603 - 11/23/13 03:02 PM

Quote:

Quote:

If it sold well, it would be foolish not to offer a second printing. We'll see...




Yes, MacP, this is exactly what I am thinking too... WHAT are they waiting for?

Stephan



Perhaps they are waiting on the other edition to also sell out.


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      #6211634 - 11/23/13 03:28 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

If it sold well, it would be foolish not to offer a second printing. We'll see...




Yes, MacP, this is exactly what I am thinking too... WHAT are they waiting for?

Stephan



Perhaps they are waiting on the other edition to also sell out.




This is exactly the answer I got from a Oculum staff member just a few days ago.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6211711 - 11/23/13 04:32 PM

If the second edition includes an English
version I'm definitely in.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6211715 - 11/23/13 04:34 PM

Ordered a "Used-Like New" Premium Version off Amazon a couple weeks ago. Looking forward to seeing the "real thing" .

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: esd726]
      #6211938 - 11/23/13 06:21 PM

It's a nice atlas, Rick. I still might use the Uranometria a bit more, simply because I'm able to write notes in the margins. But for sheer beauty and good detail, this is a fine atlas. Let us know what you think when it arrives.

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: esd726]
      #6214197 - 11/24/13 10:38 PM

Quote:

Ordered a "Used-Like New" Premium Version off Amazon a couple weeks ago. Looking forward to seeing the "real thing" .




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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6215462 - 11/25/13 03:41 PM

Quote:

Too funny! Today I found a paper copy of this atlas on my doorstep sent by Oculum/LKG. I had made an inquiry on the Oculum web site way back when Stephan first posted about the atlas and never received a reply. So to have this show up was quite a surprise. I'm glad to now have both a paper and premium copy. The paper version has a strong printer smell to it. Good ink!




Now LKG (distributor of the Atlas) is hitting me up for a late fee! Just lovely that they sent the notice in German.

To summarize: I made an inquiry on the web site that Stephan alerted us to; never received any type of reply; received the atlas without warning--along with a payment due date that had already passed; arranged for payment on the first day I possibly could, on the day after Veteran's Day (bank holiday) and now I received a letter saying I owe an additional 16.95 Euros as a late fee.

I've sent an e-mail, in English, to LKG, letting them know that payment on a late fee just isn't going to happen! I hope others had better luck from LKG.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6215591 - 11/25/13 04:28 PM

I am sorry to hear that. I hope LKG will settle this issue to your full satisfaction. If not, just send a copy of your e-mailed message to Oculum's both e-mail adresses verlag@oculum.de and bestellung@oculum.de and I am sure they will take care of you. Important: state your order number (on the invoice stated as "Beleg-Nummer" or "Bestell-Nummer") and your customer number ("Kunden-Nummer").

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6215597 - 11/25/13 04:32 PM

Thanks, Stephan, for the suggestions. I'll wait to see whether I hear from LKG, then contact Oculum. Its a minor inconvenience, since the Atlas is really nice (both versions!).

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6216854 - 11/26/13 10:21 AM

Getting a bit off topic, but I wanted to share some follow-up. It seems likely that LKG's bank may have levied a fee for an incoming wire transfer. My bank sent the full payment, but LKG claims they received only part of it.

Additionally, I have sent a note to the two Oculum e-mail addresses to alert them of this potential issue for international purchasers.

Customers cannot be held responsible for fees levied by foreign banks, if those fees do not appear on original invoices.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: macpurity]
      #6223581 - 11/29/13 02:52 PM

It finally came today. Is bigger than I thought (which is good) and at first I thought the paper felt too thin and delicate. I dropped a drop of water on the last page (so in case it "messed" it up) and wiped of fine with do sign of it ever being there! Looked for an extra page I could try tearing out just to see if that's possible (sort of feels like it, but I thought it didn't seem H2O proof either, so..)
I knew from the sample pages it looked great but when you get it in your hands and see all of it.......
Can't wait to actually try it out under the stars! Not sure when that is going to happen the way it looks though. Imagine that


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: esd726]
      #6223607 - 11/29/13 03:08 PM

Rick,

I knew you would be happy... The IDSA Premium is a true piece of art. Hopefully a 2nd printing comes soon, for all who had no luck to get their Premium copy (due to the limited amount of 1st edition copies).

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Starman1]
      #6261822 - 12/19/13 12:25 PM

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So how did the authors decide what was visible in a particular aperture? By viewing all 15,000 objects? I doubt it.




Hi Don,

A first selection was made using Eye&Telescope. Visibility estimations given by the software were cross checked with observations published in the German "Deep Sky Liste", a collection of thousands of objects observed under different conditions with different apertures. The atlas took ten years to become reality, and a large amount of this time was used for checking data and available observations.

I totally agree that whatever kind of prediction or preselection should never prevent you from trying to see things. I also know of the problems and pitfalls of visibility predictions - and their limitations, of course.

Over the last decade I received a bunch of mails. People told me that E&T's predictions provided them with candidates to look for they wouldn't have tried otherwise. And they found a lot of stuff they would have missed otherwise. So it obviously helped them with planning and made them see more.

I think that also the new atlas can give a lot of inspiration to try things you could have missed otherwise. The other atlasses (and almost all charting programs) don't care about visibility at all. Whether this is a good thing or a downside seems to be personal taste, however.

For my part, I do not like maps crowded with stuff I cannot hope to see. If I'd live in a part of the world with clear skies almost every night and time to observe whenever I wanted, I wouldn't care about visibility predictions. I'd just sweep like Herschel and try to see "everything". With only a few occasions for serious observing every year, wasting time hunting for impossible stuff is just frustrating.

Clear skies
Tom


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Thomas Pfleger]
      #6355481 - 02/04/14 12:50 PM

I have also had horror story working with LKG, and getting no replies to my email. I accidently ordered the atlas, then realizing my error, sent all the email addresses a cancellation. They still sent it out a week later, and they sent it via 2 day UPS for half the price of the atlas!! I have sent them again an email in GERMAN to their address indicating the problem, and have not again received any reply. I requested they do a return on the atlas.

Summary, DO NOT ORDER THIS ATLAS FROM THEM. If you want to order the atlas, use Amazon UK site. It is also listed now on Amazon.com, but it is unclear of the suppliers. At least with Amazon, you will receive customer service!
Regards,
Dr. Al


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6405253 - 03/02/14 10:02 AM

As we know, the fantastic Premium version sold like crazy and was out of stock after a few weeks. That one really needs a reprint. Hopefully the publisher is selling the remaining copies of the Standard version in a short time, opening the way for a 2nd German edition, and of course an international English-language edition.

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6539121 - 05/21/14 11:48 PM

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Do they have an engish legend, etc?




faackanders2,

Not yet, but perhaps they will print one in English, if enough customers ask for it.

Checking the double-sided Legend, I would venture to say that the symbols are fairly well-understandable also for non-German speaking users. At least as long until an english Legend will be available.

Stephan




Clicking the Legend link on the publisher's english language site (http://deepskyatlas.com/) provides an english version of the legend. The direct link to the downloadable png file is here.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Astro88]
      #6539622 - 05/22/14 10:57 AM

Apparently they are preparing an international Atlas version in English language. Checking deepskyatlas.com and clicking on "Orders", the following info is given:
"Please be patient! The English language edition of the interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas has not yet appeared. Ordering will be available through designated business partners in your country soon."

Now that's good news!

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6539776 - 05/22/14 12:27 PM

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Apparently they are preparing an international Atlas version in English language. Checking deepskyatlas.com and clicking on "Orders", the following info is given:
"Please be patient! The English language edition of the interstellarum Deep Sky Atlas has not yet appeared. Ordering will be available through designated business partners in your country soon."

Now that's good news!

Stephan




That is great news. I'll definitely order the deluxe version once it is available in English.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: turtle86]
      #6540095 - 05/22/14 04:00 PM

This sounds like exactly what I have been looking for. I can't wait!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: jhors]
      #6540608 - 05/22/14 09:10 PM

And deepskyatlas.com states that they are looking for dealers in multiple countries around the world:

"Dealer inquiries welcome!
Want to share the excitement about our new atlas? We are looking for national dealers/distribution partners for USA, UK, France, Italy, Spain, Russia, Japan, China, Taiwan, Australia, South Africa, and other countries. National exclusive rights available."

It sounds like there won't be too much longer to wait.


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Astro88]
      #6590598 - 06/19/14 11:11 AM

I am weakening. I have the German Desk edition in my Amazon cart and I don't know if I can wait.

Is the normal edition usable in the field in a dry climate like Arizona?


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: jhors]
      #6590794 - 06/19/14 01:04 PM

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Is the normal edition usable in the field in a dry climate like Arizona?




Absolutely, Josh!

Stephan


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Stellarfire]
      #6590836 - 06/19/14 01:28 PM

Thanks Stephan!

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: jhors]
      #6591244 - 06/19/14 05:39 PM

FYI, I just sent an email to Agena Astro and they sounded interested in distributing the atlas in the States. No promises of course, but they will look into it

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: DavidNealMinnick]
      #6591539 - 06/19/14 09:05 PM

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I'm embarrassed to be all provincial and unilingual(snip)




I'm not. Make it all in English, or no sale.

Fred




Same here. Too bad.




This is a long thread. Looks attractive but is there an English version or not?


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6591640 - 06/19/14 10:16 PM

Daniel,

They are currently looking for worldwide distributors, including the US.

Looks like it is ready to go once they find someone to carry it


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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: jhors]
      #6591820 - 06/20/14 12:11 AM

Thanks

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Re: Interstellarum DEEP SKY ATLAS - It is here! new [Re: Daniel Mounsey]
      #6591880 - 06/20/14 01:21 AM

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but is there an English version or not?




Daniel,

Yes, an English version is in the pipeline.

Stephan


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