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tim53
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Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope?
      #3416800 - 10/28/09 07:41 PM

Well, Carry-on, actually!

So, I'm watching a local Craigslist ad for a Meade 2045LX3. The seller wants $280, but Uncle Rod says not over $200.

This is a rather rare Meade. I have a 2045 OTA. I don't use it much, it's not that good optically. But on a clock driven mount it might be nice to take on airline trips I have to go on from time to time. Most recently, I was in the foothills of the Apennines (not the lunar ones, the ones in Tuscany) and I could see the Milky Way from the hotel terrace, so I cried that I was there for a whole week but didn't have a telescope!

Ideally, I should probably make or buy something that either has the most aperture I can carry on (like a Seronik-style travel scope), or a tidy goto gizmoid from Celestron or Meade. If I buy something new and forego the LX3, it might as well have autoguiding capability, so I can image with either one of my DSI's or one of my Point Grey firewire cameras (smallest option for imaging). If I buy the LX3, I'd plan on guiding manually while shooting piggyback with a camera lens or something.

I haven't paid much attention to the new offerings from Meade or Celestron in the smaller-than-8" sizes (including the ETXs, which always turned me off with all that damned tupperware). But maybe I could look at the "problem" again, if someone has some ideas.

-Tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3416945 - 10/28/09 09:04 PM

How about the 6" and 6.5" MCTs from Intes-Micro? They have tubes that are just a hair under 8" in diameter.

SB


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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: Sheriff Bart]
      #3417123 - 10/28/09 10:18 PM

I've thought about those. But I'd still need a mount.

Tim

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3417519 - 10/29/09 02:01 AM

Tim, I've seen a lot of battles between various scope owners and supporters, but this is the first time I've seen one referred to as "carrion."
Might be the beginning of a whole new scope classification!

John


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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: 7331Peg]
      #3417694 - 10/29/09 07:10 AM

May I recommend the possum-on-a-half-shell??? MOST delectable!

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3420315 - 10/30/09 02:23 PM

How bad do you need GOTO? Seems like a lot of volume if you're flying. A small catadioptric OTA, a light but solid alt-az mount (like a Universal Astronomics MicroStar or DwarfStar), and a light but solid tripod (like a Manfrotto CXPRO4) makes for a very light, very portable, very low-hassle setup.

Something that doubles as a daytime spotter for viewing scenery or wildlife is even more useful than a strict astro scope. Lots of people seem to like the C5 in this role. Others skew bigger. I go even smaller, because I don't want to give myself any excuses for not taking a scope. Good luck with your quest!

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: mwedel]
      #3421162 - 10/30/09 11:38 PM

Well, I bought that 2045LX3 for $200. It looks pretty good, but I took it outside and tried it out on Jupiter, and it needs collimation rather desperately!

Also, the RA slow motion buttons don't do anything. Hopefully, it's just a weak connection.

The mount is amazingly solid (and somewhat heavy, actually).

If I can't collimate it, or it's just that bad opically, I could swap out for the optics or the OTA from my 2045 spotter, that's not too bad.

-Tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3421166 - 10/30/09 11:42 PM

Quote:

Also, the RA slow motion buttons don't do anything. Hopefully, it's just a weak connection.




They don't do anything obvious. One stops tracking, the other speeds it up. If you aren't looking at a star you won't see it.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #3421172 - 10/30/09 11:46 PM

I was looking at Jupiter with a 5x powermate and a point grey Scorpion digital camera.

It didn't move after holding the buttons down for 20 seconds or more each.

-Tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3421664 - 10/31/09 11:02 AM

A little more detail about the first light (at my house), with this puppy.

Well, it LOOKS pretty good. I took it outside and aimed it at Jupiter.

First, I've got a small outdoor teak patio table that it fit right on. Nice and steady, too.

I plugged everything in, and turned it on. It tracks pretty nicely, but there is a modest amount of backlash in the drive. When I was at the seller's, I ran the hand controller. It was easy to see the dec motor worked, but I could only put my ear up to the fork and listen for the RA drive. It was running too. I thought I heard it change pitch when hitting the fast and slow RA buttons, but they don't do anything when I was trying to center on Jupiter.

The manual RA slow mo is very smooth, and not nearly as coarse as the one on my orange tube C-8.

Jupiter looked awful, though. Definitely something's out of collimation. I put one of my Point Grey cameras in the visual back (from my other 2045, this one had an integral star diagonal, and I wanted that out of the loop), and turned it on and turned on the reticle in Astro IIDC.

When Jupiter was centered on the screen, the secondary shadow was close to centered inside and outside focus. But as I approached focus, it was clearly not centered, and the donut was brighter on one side, then flipped onto the other side when I went through focus to the other side, and it warped through 90 degrees at the same time, indicating astigmatism.

My other OTA is nowhere near this bad. Someone said on the Meade LX5/6 yahoo group that they sometimes have crude secondary support castings that can prevent collimation. But can the secondary be off but still show a nearly concentric shadow?

Anyhow, that's it so far.

It came with a camera t-adapter with a Nikon bayonet mount, a 9mm and 25mm MA Meade eyepieces, and a nifty camera piggyback bracket attached to the bottom of the OTA.

There's a 2045 manual dated 1985, and a Supplementary 2045/LX3 manual that I've never seen before.

I'm going to try to take a look at the innards of this thing sometime over the weekend or next, to see if there's anything obvious that would account for so bad an image. If it's the optics, I may swap them for my spotting scope's optics, as those are decent, if not earth-shattering.

The mount is surprisingly solidly-built. Makes it a bit on the heavy side, but still something I could imagine taking on a plane with me. One idea I've been toying with, would be to see if a 4" ETX Mak OTA might be adaptable to this mount? Even slight mods to accomodate a slightly larger tube (5" ETX?) seem possible, as the fork arms bolt on, so adapters could be made...

But, first things first... I want to see what I can do with the SCT alignments and the HC RA buttons, first.

-Tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3421841 - 10/31/09 12:56 PM

I've owned four 2045's, all three astro version had very soft optics and the spotter version was very sharp.

I would check the optics out before buying.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422586 - 10/31/09 08:34 PM

>>donut was brighter on one side, then flipped onto the other side when I went through focus to the other side, and it warped through 90 degrees at the same time, indicating astigmatism.>>

I'm fairly sure I can help you fix this. I had the same problem but now the scope is transformed. I'll pm you.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: CHASLX200]
      #3422614 - 10/31/09 08:47 PM

I got myself a couple of barley sodas, set the scope up in my shop with the door closed and the photon emitters off, whipped out my trusty Lasermax holographic laser collimator, and got to work!

This, after I'd tried to collimate on a powerline insulator about a half mile away with no success at all. It was so far out I couldn't figure out which way to tweak the screws.

Other thing I thought to check: this scope has clearly spent most of it's adult life (quite possibly it's adolescent and ankle-biter life as well) in a closet or on a shelf. And likely with some gratuitous heat thrown in for good measure.

I unscrewed the corrector assembly and grokked it. Everything looked ok and concentric. So I screwed it back on. Next, I unscrewed the tube (with corrector and secondary attached) and grokked the cell, primary and baffle assembly.

Now, mind you, this isn't rocket surgery by any means. Just some optics and a handfull of machined parts and stuff to hold it together. In other words, nothing to be afraid of (fear is the mind-killer. I will face my fear...).

First problem on the business end was obvious: the mirror literally "spun" on the baffle tube. So, I tightened the ring/nut holding it so it was "finger-snug".

Then I screwed the rest of the ota back on and did "The Lasermax Thang".

I set up on the patio and checked out my favorite. Insulator, and the view is markedly sharper and contrastier.

All I need now is for the sun to go down so I can finalize collimation on a star!

-Tim

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Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, "The Romance of the Telescope"

Edited by tim53 (10/31/09 08:49 PM)


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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422617 - 10/31/09 08:50 PM Attachment (15 downloads)

Here's a few pix

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422619 - 10/31/09 08:50 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

too

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Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422621 - 10/31/09 08:51 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

also

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422625 - 10/31/09 08:52 PM Attachment (8 downloads)

final

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422628 - 10/31/09 08:54 PM

Next, I'll need to figure out why the hand controller doesn't drive the slo-mos in RA, only Dec. I took the hand controller apart, hoping that the button connections would be accessible and easy to see, but they're not. They're hidden behind the PCB, which looks to be glued on?

Has anyone else had a problem with the RA buttons not doing anything?

Again, all I should need now is some darkness. Its' been a nice day, so hopefully I can test it out on Jupe again.

-tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3422675 - 10/31/09 09:24 PM

Second light, Jupiter looks pretty darn good through the 9mm Meade MA.

-tim.

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Re: Biggest/bestest Carrion Telescope? new [Re: tim53]
      #3423871 - 11/01/09 02:27 PM

Just discovered something cool. The hand controller doesn't drive the ra slomos with the drive base switch set at internal. When I saw this in the manual, I changed to external and everything works! When the hc is set to quartz, the ra buttons don't always make contact, but when set to manual they do.

I just reset the tension on the dec clutch and now all works fabulously.

So for 200 bucks I have a complete 2045lx3 with the optional hc and dec motor, and good optics to boot!

Now all I need is a case to fit it and a couple cameras for field use!

-Tim

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Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
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