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moynihan
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Meade Merges with another company
      #5871815 - 05/19/13 03:56 PM

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meade-instruments-corp-announces-merger-2133277...

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mayidunk
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: moynihan]
      #5871838 - 05/19/13 04:07 PM

Earlier, I received a PM telling me that I may have been "mod bashing" in one of my earlier posts, though they did not identify the actual post. I invited the individual to point out the post in question, but then decided to see if I could find it myself.

I quickly came upon this post from earlier, and since it is likely the post in question, I've decided it would be better to just remove the possible source of offense.

My apologies if I offended anyone, it was entirely inadvertent. The mods are just doing their jobs and, much like the guy shagging golf balls at the driving range, sometimes they get hit unintentionally.

Sorry about that!

Edited by mayidunk (05/20/13 12:40 AM)


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Starhawk
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: mayidunk]
      #5871933 - 05/19/13 04:45 PM

I posted the first thread on this in this group. It has already been locked. Tread lightly. I'm not sure what and all is getting these threads locked so quickly. I'm just guessing these categories of input are getting them shut:

(A) Nationalist pride projected onto a single business discussion.

(B) Brand perceptions.

(C) General snark.

Please be sensitive to the fact some folks have put sincere effort to put together good data for what they post, and an offhand emotional comment, while it may feel good for a moment, just ruins it for everybody when the Mods have to lock the thread to uphold the TOS.

-Rich

Edited by Starhawk (05/20/13 12:39 AM)


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Geo.
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: mayidunk]
      #5871940 - 05/19/13 04:47 PM

When a conglomerate with 300-400 subsidiaries and 400,000 employees is involved in a transaction of this type it is called an acquisition.

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bcuddihee
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Geo.]
      #5871964 - 05/19/13 04:56 PM

and why would this thread or any other on the topic of an important acquisition be locked?

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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: bcuddihee]
      #5871982 - 05/19/13 05:07 PM

It was not the subject of the thread that locked it IMO, it was the usual junk: name-calling, politics, yadda, yadda, yadda.

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moynihan
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5872050 - 05/19/13 05:41 PM

Quote:

It has already been locked. Don't bother commenting. It's a forbidden topic.




Fascinating


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GeneT
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: moynihan]
      #5872383 - 05/19/13 08:20 PM

Thanks for letting us know. Maybe it will help Meade's bottom line.

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Starman27Moderator
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: GeneT]
      #5872641 - 05/19/13 09:58 PM

There is another thread on this topic in the Meade/RCX/LX/ACF forum. The topic is not forbidden. However, many cross postings violate TOS. Also If the topic is lost or disregarded for politics, personal attacks, vendor bashing the usual problems that arise, then the thread can become locked. So far most everything thing discussed here has been off topic. Let's try an experiment and discuss this important issue with out the problems that have caused other threads to become locked. It is not the topic that is forbidden, but behavior that violates the TOS as uncle Rod pointed out above.

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gnowellsct
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Starman27]
      #5872673 - 05/19/13 10:16 PM

Four and a half million bucks for Meade? Such a deeeaaaal! We could have put that together with a bunch of CNers. Then turn out some primo optics!

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Cotts
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Starman27]
      #5872686 - 05/19/13 10:20 PM

Quote:

There is another thread on this topic in the Meade/RCX/LX/ACF forum. The topic is not forbidden. However, many cross postings violate TOS. Also If the topic is lost or disregarded for politics, personal attacks, vendor bashing the usual problems that arise, then the thread can become locked. So far most everything thing discussed here has been off topic. Let's try an experiment and discuss this important issue with out the problems that have caused other threads to become locked. It is not the topic that is forbidden, but behavior that violates the TOS as uncle Rod pointed out above.




This x 1000 from the other Mod here. Just stay on topic and this important topic can be discussed at length.

And just to be clear what is not allowed.

Personal attacks and insults.
Vendor bashing - i.e. "all the stuff made by "X" is junk..."
Mod bashing. "The mods don't allow certain topics...."
Taking the thread off topic. Stay on the ramifications of the Meade situation.

As Uncle Rod said, it is these sorts of things that get threads locked every time, no matter the topic, no matter the forum.

Herman <Starman27> and I are going to work hard to keep this thread alive. But we need your help.

Dave

Edited by Cotts (05/19/13 10:39 PM)


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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: rmollise]
      #5872766 - 05/19/13 10:58 PM

Quote:

It was not the subject of the thread that locked it IMO, it was the usual junk: name-calling, politics, yadda, yadda, yadda.






Jon


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Starhawk
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #5872955 - 05/20/13 01:18 AM

When I went and looked at the Equipment forum thread, not only was it locked, there wasn't enough of that thread left to figure out what anyone had done, or why it was locked. People I noticed who had had a lot of material vaporized have generally been pretty reserved contributors in other threads. It's in smoldering crater territory.

The history involving this vendor in recent years has been emotional for a lot of people for a lot of reasons. I can see rehashing isn't the pinnacle of our civilization's achievement. On the other hand, isn't that why everyone cares what is going on?

What are we left being able to say on this without getting a thread locked? Can we refer to the published financial reports? Can people talk about their product ownership experiences? Sometimes the snark-free discussion of the facts still is not a pretty picture. Where do we stand on that sort of situation, here? Is there a guideline such as, "If you find yourself writing 'I feel such and such is bad,' you're probably violating the TOS."

I fully agree there has to be a balance between whining snark and selling snake oil. It's just really frustrating to see discussions seemingly unable to get anywhere and not having an option for fixing it.

-Rich

Edited by Starhawk (05/20/13 01:23 AM)


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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5873069 - 05/20/13 04:00 AM

I find it disturbing that Meade has been acquired by a foreign competitor. Meade has a long history of supplying quality optics. I agree they made some mistakes, like all other such suppliers. They did not deserve this fate. It's a cutthroat business.

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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Benson]
      #5873171 - 05/20/13 07:40 AM

Quote:

I find it disturbing that Meade has been acquired by a foreign competitor.




If this goes through (and it surely will), Meade will be acquired by their primary supplier, who happens to be foreign. Very similar to what happened to Celestron, except that wasn't voluntary.


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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #5873213 - 05/20/13 08:23 AM

Regardless of my feeling toward Meade, I think this deal was inevitable and good for the long term prospects of the company. Meade has been on the financial ropes for quite a while. I would think that Meade being taken out by a foreign entity regardless of origin would add some stability to the company and hopefully will allow the company to focus on their products as opposed to whether or not they will live to see another day.

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Thomas Karpf
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: MikeCatfin]
      #5873263 - 05/20/13 08:57 AM

Personally, I'm hopeful that being acquired by a much larger company will allow for sufficient scrutiny of 'next product BLAH' that careless blunders (I AM NOT EVEN GENERALLY REFERRING TO ANYTHING/ANYBODY HERE) can be avoided.

Disclaimer: I haven't bought anything from Meade in a decade (although I liked the optical quality of what I bought back then), and would very much like to see them in the game again. I have NO opinion on ANY of their current products, but I like the idea of the LX-850 (and subsequent) lines.


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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Thomas Karpf]
      #5873319 - 05/20/13 09:32 AM

Meade has come up with some nice concepts. The implementation of these concepts uas left much to be desired. Hopefully this will be rectified now. Sad thing is the bad taste the consumer endured is not soon forgotten. Under new management is often employed to battle this.

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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: Benson]
      #5873321 - 05/20/13 09:33 AM

Deserve's got nothing to do with it. And it's questionable, anyway.

Meade, like most other companies that serve the amateur astronomy community, isn't a very big company. Not a huge cash flow, not many customers (all relative to the general marketplace). One bad run can easily bring such a company down. Without going into all the particulars, they've had such a run. A lot of folks unhappy with their recent work, a couple of very visible product failures. I don't know the details in all cases but, I suspect, had the folks at Meade had sufficient time, they could right the ship. But given the business world, they were never going to get that time. One can only hope now that the new owner can pull them around. Given their history and the relatively few players in the business, I suspect they can.

But it seems a good warning to all: making astronomy products for the amateur market is a tough business. Not many people there to buy your products and, when they do, they probably won't buy in bulk (ask yourself, even if you're one of those guys who goes through scopes and gear on a daily basis, have you ever up and ordered a pallet of eyepieces?).

Pretty much any of the companies we deal with here could go down with one bad launch. Carl Zambuto makes a dozen straight bad mirrors and, whoosh, all the air goes out of the room. Even though I've been ticked at pretty much every maker/dealer at one point or another, my hat is off to them for trying to serve such a small and demanding community and for making it possible to do stuff that, 20 years ago, I'd have thought impossible for the mid-level amateur.



Quote:

I find it disturbing that Meade has been acquired by a foreign competitor. Meade has a long history of supplying quality optics. I agree they made some mistakes, like all other such suppliers. They did not deserve this fate. It's a cutthroat business.




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moynihan
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Re: Meade Merges with another company new [Re: bunyon]
      #5873452 - 05/20/13 10:43 AM

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But it seems a good warning to all: making astronomy products for the amateur market is a tough business. Not many people there to buy your products and, when they do, they probably won't buy in bulk...Pretty much any of the companies we deal with here could go down with one bad launch.





I think this is a good reality check.


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