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Poll: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w
      #5613066 - 01/09/13 01:46 AM

Hi all I'm starting to put together speakers for NEAIC 2013 and I was wondering who you all think the top five are. Please post names and any other contact info you may have..

Bob


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5614571 - 01/09/13 09:51 PM

That would be a 'Poll'. The best imagers do not the best speakers make. I've oft sat-in on presentations by great practitioners of many different genres that neither speak nor teach well. That being said, these are my favorites imagers though I can't limit it to 5!-

Gianni Paglioli

Adam Block

Dietmar Hager

Fabian Neyer

Martin Pugh

Leo Orazi

Jordi Gallego

Steve Leshin

Hannes Schedler

Ken Crawford

and many others


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Warhen]
      #5614621 - 01/09/13 10:32 PM

robert gendler

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Warhen]
      #5614629 - 01/09/13 10:40 PM

I would say that limiting it to five is really tough. I can pick 10 just from CN. Ken Crawford, Rogelio, Thomas Davis, John Davis, David Rosenthal, Warren Keller, Dean Salmen, Jerry Lodriguss, Kfir Simon, Harel Boren, Bob Fera, David Rankin and though he's not from this side of the pond, I have to throw in JP just because he does such great work. And I apologize to the other really good imagers here that I left out.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #5614658 - 01/09/13 10:53 PM

Hey what about me??
Warren you left your name off. Anyone with an RCOS of 20" in or larger shouldn't count. They don't deal with the issues back yard astronomers deal with daily. A guy who can take an 8" astrotech and wow me is tops in my book!


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5614675 - 01/09/13 11:06 PM

Mike, I know you are teasing, but you and our Jimmy W are doing great. In fact there are many CN brothers who are doing really good work. 'The Davis brothers' Tom and JOhn are fantastic. Our Israeli dynamic duo Kfir and Harel have become among the very best!! The list goes on. Hey Bill Snyder, JP are AWEsome...

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5614695 - 01/09/13 11:23 PM

Quote:

. A guy who can take an 8" astrotech and wow me is tops in my book!




Nice scopes those 8" Astrotech's


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Warhen]
      #5614746 - 01/10/13 12:09 AM

Big W, did you the time I posted this? almost 2AM after teaching for 14 hours, you lucky I spelled Bob right or should it be boB

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5614761 - 01/10/13 12:23 AM

Ok, so I already had Adam Block, Dietmar Hager, Fabian Neyer, Ken Crawford,Thomas Davis, Warren (Big W)Keller, Jerry Lodriguss. Rob Gendler, JOhn Davis, and Jim Lafferty are all speaking this year and I'm working on Damian Peach.

I'll check out the others listed please keep the names coming and remember to keep in mine, Would you pay to hear them.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5614899 - 01/10/13 03:57 AM

Don't forget Mike Unsold. He's a great presenter and, as an image processing software developer has a much better understanding of what goes into great images than most of us.

Phil


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Phil Sherman]
      #5614955 - 01/10/13 06:59 AM

Best and famous are not usually the same thing

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: ManuelJ]
      #5615026 - 01/10/13 08:19 AM

What about the NASA/ESA imaging competition?
Notice Gendler gets his name there.


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Prize winners — image processing category
There were 1189 entries in the image processing category, where contestants had to find promising data in the archive and process them into an attractive image. The top ten entries ranked by the jury are our prize winners; the top five of these were incredibly close and all impressed the judges in different ways.

http://www.spacetelescope.org/announcements/ann1211/





First prize and winner of the public vote:

Josh Lake, star-forming region NGC 1763


Second prize:

Andre van der Hoeven, spiral galaxy Messier 77


Third prize:

Judy Schmidt, star XZ Tauri


Fourth prize:

Renaud Houdinet, nebula Chamaeleon I


Fifth prize:

Robert Gendler
, spiral galaxy Messier 96
Robert Gendler (USA) is a well known figure in the amateur image processing world. His version of Hubble’s image of NGC 3190 is the default desktop image on new Apple computers. Robert submitted a number of excellent images into the competition. This image of Messier 96 was the jury’s favourite.




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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: alpal]
      #5615067 - 01/10/13 08:52 AM

In regards to skill as a speaker, I have seen Adam Block and he is quite good. People pay to image with him and learn his techniques all the time.

Of the others mentioned here, I have not seen any of them speak. But I'm sure many of them would give a very interesting talk - at least from my perspective.

Matt


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5615150 - 01/10/13 09:56 AM

Bob,
Look into Johhny Paglioli (Gianni), he is one of the Three G's of Officina Stellare. He is literally the most gorgeous processor in the universe, a delightful personality, knows PS in and out, great English, and if he's coming over with Gino and Gianni2, it would be a natural. He spoke at WSP last year and did well.

Thank you guys for incl me in such a list of artists!


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Warhen]
      #5615194 - 01/10/13 10:27 AM

Quote:

Bob,
Look into Johhny Paglioli (Gianni), he is one of the Three G's of Officina Stellare. He is literally the most gorgeous processor in the universe, a delightful personality, knows PS in and out, great English, and if he's coming over with Gino and Gianni2, it would be a natural. He spoke at WSP last year and did well.

Thank you guys for incl me in such a list of artists!




Totally agree, he does some amazing work


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: alpal]
      #5615262 - 01/10/13 11:04 AM

Quote:

What about the NASA/ESA imaging competition?





How nice to see my name passing by here I would think of:

Josef Popsl (capella observatories)
Robert Gendler
JPM
Adam Block
and many others...

Edited by avdhoeven (01/10/13 11:05 AM)


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: avdhoeven]
      #5615436 - 01/10/13 12:31 PM

I think the question should be "who are the best 5 deep sky image processors in the world". I'd say most of us with good equipment can capture images, but what comes into the mix is location and quality of equipment, and most of all.... image processing skills!!!

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: fetoma]
      #5615447 - 01/10/13 12:38 PM

>>>>>who are the best 5 deep sky image processors in the world

Or, who is best at describing the imaging process???.....

John Madden is not the world's best football player, but he sure can explain football things.....

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Alex McConahay]
      #5615493 - 01/10/13 01:02 PM

Manuel Jimenez -> http://www.manuelj.com/

His work amazes me all the time.

Off course all of the above is on my list too.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: bilgebay]
      #5615554 - 01/10/13 01:36 PM

If you're trying to select speakers...I'd be more interested in the topics than in the presenter. What would get me interested? Some serious coverage of the PixInsight platform would get my attention. In terms of people: Juan Conejero, Manuel Jimenez, Vicent Peris, Carlos Milovic, Rogelio Bernal Andreo, Steve Leshin.

Juan Conejero is a walking encyclopedia of image processing knowledge and he communicates his knowledge extremely well - at least in a written format. His support posts over in the PixInsight forum are typically mini-lessons all by themself and do a good job of putting complex processing concepts into laymen's terms.

I wouldn't mind seeing some presentations on using our equipment for stuff other than pretty pictures. Lowell Observatory has a bunch of people who can talk on pro-am collaboration. Tim Puckett of Apogee is extremely personable and has some knowledge in this area as well.

I'd be really interested in a speaker who's doing some great astrophotography with mortal equipment. $250,000 of gear and a mountain top location and I expect you to turn out APOD quality work every time you boot up the laptop. Show me a guy who's doing it on a blue collar budget with say....less than $10k of equipment.

In the same sort of vein....find me a speaker that can talk about setting up a remote site....without having to spend huge cash to do it. Show me how to put my $20k imaging rig somewhere dark and remote in a permanent arrangement that doesn't require me to break open the kids college funds to pay for it.

What would I not be interested in? Going to see a speaker who's going to talk about all the same curves, high pass filters, clipping masks and other stuff that I can get from dozens of online tutorials.

That's just my rapidly depreciating 2 cents....

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5615602 - 01/10/13 02:03 PM

I wouldn't mind hearing the likes of Dennis DiCicco and Sean Walker expound at length on processing. And they usually show up for NEAF, anyway.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5615620 - 01/10/13 02:15 PM

Very good Mike!

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: terry59]
      #5615756 - 01/10/13 03:44 PM

yeah, i agree with everything Mike has said above. Getting some of those spanish guys would be great.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: pfile]
      #5615781 - 01/10/13 03:56 PM

+1 Mike summed it up for us Bob...Bob, hey Bob, are you listening to us ?

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: avdhoeven]
      #5615796 - 01/10/13 04:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

What about the NASA/ESA imaging competition?





How nice to see my name passing by here I would think of:

Josef Popsl (capella observatories)
Robert Gendler
JPM
Adam Block
and many others...




But your win gives you the qualifications to be a speaker.

http://www.astro-photo.nl/deepsky/galaxies/messier-77-hst


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5615877 - 01/10/13 04:52 PM

Mike,

I couldn't agree more...

Dan

Quote:

If you're trying to select speakers...I'd be more interested in the topics than in the presenter. What would get me interested? Some serious coverage of the PixInsight platform would get my attention. In terms of people: Juan Conejero, Manuel Jimenez, Vicent Peris, Carlos Milovic, Rogelio Bernal Andreo, Steve Leshin.

Juan Conejero is a walking encyclopedia of image processing knowledge and he communicates his knowledge extremely well - at least in a written format. His support posts over in the PixInsight forum are typically mini-lessons all by themself and do a good job of putting complex processing concepts into laymen's terms.

I wouldn't mind seeing some presentations on using our equipment for stuff other than pretty pictures. Lowell Observatory has a bunch of people who can talk on pro-am collaboration. Tim Puckett of Apogee is extremely personable and has some knowledge in this area as well.

I'd be really interested in a speaker who's doing some great astrophotography with mortal equipment. $250,000 of gear and a mountain top location and I expect you to turn out APOD quality work every time you boot up the laptop. Show me a guy who's doing it on a blue collar budget with say....less than $10k of equipment.

In the same sort of vein....find me a speaker that can talk about setting up a remote site....without having to spend huge cash to do it. Show me how to put my $20k imaging rig somewhere dark and remote in a permanent arrangement that doesn't require me to break open the kids college funds to pay for it.

What would I not be interested in? Going to see a speaker who's going to talk about all the same curves, high pass filters, clipping masks and other stuff that I can get from dozens of online tutorials.

That's just my rapidly depreciating 2 cents....

Mike




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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Dan Crowson]
      #5616216 - 01/10/13 08:29 PM

Warren Keller is becoming an expert at Pixinsight and has produced the first in depth series on how to use it. Before I knew Warren, his tutorials helped me understand a very difficult learning curve. I would agree Juan is outstanding, but why fly someone from Spain when you have great teachers here? Maybe Mike hasn't seen Warren's tutorials on Pix?

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5616235 - 01/10/13 08:41 PM

A few I haven't seen mentioned:
Jay GaBany
Tony Hallas
Russell Croman


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Dean]
      #5616528 - 01/11/13 12:01 AM

Wow! great response! Big W, Johhny Paglioli is on my list, I'm not sure of the cost to get him but you know me, if I can, I will.

Andre, we have had Robert Gendler,( and will again this year)we have also had JPM,and Adam Block.

Sedat, I'll look in to Manuel Jimenez and no! i'm not listening to you because your not coming this year.

Mike, I hear you 100% and I try to do just that but it gets tuff. I had Vicent Peris two years ago do a pix talk. and this year we will be doing an extensive Pix program. I'm also trying to get someone from the Gimp team to do a talk on Gimp. As for the pro-am collaboration side of things for the last 6 years we have many science talks that included Tim Puckett (supernovae), Mike Peoples (comets),Brian D. Warner, (minor planets) Steve Howell ( XO's )and many others.

Grant, we have had Dennis DiCicco and Sean Walker meny times.

Dean, Jay GaBany and tony have both spoke many times, Tony just last year and Russell Croman is retired from speaking.

Please keep them coming

Edited by Bob Moore (01/11/13 12:07 AM)


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5616575 - 01/11/13 01:03 AM

Quote:

Sedat, I'll look in to Manuel Jimenez and no! i'm not listening to you because your not coming this year.




Bob, it all depends how seductive you can get If you can put a nice Pixinsight team together I may change my mind.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5616656 - 01/11/13 04:03 AM

Mike Wiles - totally agree, would not describe it better
what matters (from my point of view) is that a lecture should inspire people to do some amazing work instead of some bore talk on things easily found on the Internet one click away...
I would give one name though - Mischa Schirmer and his presentation from CEDIC 2011


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5616657 - 01/11/13 04:04 AM

Hi-

I have attended NEAF many times, but never attended the imaging conference. I would be more interested in raw sub-exposures than final images because all final images are based on sub-exposures and their quality is important to everyone. But when it comes to processing, there are different tastes regarding how much one is willing to alter the pixels to produce the final image. And the processing/artistic phase involves a skill set that is separate from those needed to acquire good sub-exposures in the first place.

So instead of just asking for the best "imagers" I would break it down into the separate skills of taking the best sub-exposures with given equipment, and then processing those sub-exposures into a nice image. And the latter can be further broken down based on allowed processing methods - such as masks or any non-global operation that selectively alters the pixels for artistic impact.

I'm not saying any of this is bad - I'm just saying it might be helpful break the imaging process into parts, and to define categories where different processing techniques are allowed. That would be more interesting to me, anyway.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: freestar8n]
      #5616923 - 01/11/13 09:42 AM

Sedat, we are going to at least 3 hours on Pix this year. if that helps a little,

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5617067 - 01/11/13 11:15 AM

Don't know him at all but Ivan Eder does some amazing work with a Canon and a Newt.

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Re: Pol: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: JWalk]
      #5617088 - 01/11/13 11:30 AM

Rats - guess I missed the years Dennis and/or Sean were doing presentations on how to acquire and/or process one's own DS images. I recall Sean and maybe Dennis on some other topic, but not specifically this.

I have to agree with Frank. I'm one of those people at the point where I feel I'm "90% there" just through reading and personal trial and error. There are likely improvements I can make to both the acquisition process and the post-processing - it would be really cool to have some people who've managed that last 10% and are willing to share it. This is true of planetary as well as deep sky. I was disappointed with Chris Go's talk last year - he hardly went into any processing specifics at all.

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Re: Pol: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: RedLionNJ]
      #5617355 - 01/11/13 02:19 PM

Hi
Juan from Pixinsight writes very well in English , but his spoken English is very poor ( His words ), so doubt he would ever do this sort of thing
You will need to get Warren there on Pixinsight

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Re: Poll: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5617457 - 01/11/13 03:23 PM

Quote:

Hi all I'm starting to put together speakers for NEAIC 2013 and I was wondering who you all think the top five are. Please post names and any other contact info you may have..

Bob



NASA. Anyone dare to compete with the Hubble telescope? Such a poll would not make any sense without putting a limit on the dollar amount.


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Re: Poll: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Alph]
      #5617497 - 01/11/13 03:54 PM

My Friend Mark Hanson is doing amazing work...

http://www.btlguce.com/


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5617617 - 01/11/13 05:17 PM

I agree with Mike's comments, particularly:

Quote:

If you're trying to select speakers...I'd be more interested in the topics than in the presenter.

<snip>

I'd be really interested in a speaker who's doing some great astrophotography with mortal equipment.





From Bob Moore's perspective, he's looking at speakers for the NEAIC audience. This excellent CN CCD forum is filled with intermediate-to-advanced imagers, but beginning imagers who attend NEAIC may still be struggling with the earlier part of the learning curve ... a compelling speaker who can demystify the basics could be attractive to them.

And another vote for Warren from me.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: soreneck]
      #5617634 - 01/11/13 05:34 PM

I just started 2,5 years ago with imaging using some basic equipment and I fully agree with soreneck. It's very interesting to see what people are doing with basic equipment. The $20000+ images are inspiring, but what can you reach with let's say $5000 equipment (incl. camera's etc.)? I think much more than you would think. I just mention last year that I detected my first exoplanet with a basic CCD camera and a C11. These kind of things are inspiring I guess. Unfortunately the NEAIF is too far away from me, but I would love to hear the speakers some day that I see mentioned here, but also some fellow 'beginners' that show what they reach, because that gives a realistic view for other beginners what to expect... Luckily we have the CEDIC here in Europe in March. I will certainly go there...

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: avdhoeven]
      #5618109 - 01/11/13 10:12 PM

Alph, Last year I had Dr. Frank Summers, Dr Summers is one of the team members form the Hubble image processing team.

Adam, for the last 6 years we have put together a program of 6 talks over the two days starting with this is an astro imaging camera on day one talk one and after 6 + hours of talks here is your completed simple processed image.

So whether your setup cost $1,500.00 OR $2,500,000,000.00 we have tried to help you with the processing with your images.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5618122 - 01/11/13 10:23 PM

One of the things I try to make sure we impress on our speakers is that attendees are not interested to see what you can do with your images, they want to learn how an why you process an image the way you do.

It's a challenger every year to find the speakers that bring something new to the table and can impart that information to the attendees. That's why i come to you all, so you can tell me what you want to see and hear, so I can give you the best imaging conference.

Please keep it coming.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mike Wiles]
      #5618223 - 01/11/13 11:34 PM

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If you're trying to select speakers...I'd be more interested in the topics than in the presenter. What would get me interested? Some serious coverage of the PixInsight platform would get my attention. In terms of people: Juan Conejero, Manuel Jimenez, Vicent Peris, Carlos Milovic, Rogelio Bernal Andreo, Steve Leshin.

Juan Conejero is a walking encyclopedia of image processing knowledge and he communicates his knowledge extremely well - at least in a written format. His support posts over in the PixInsight forum are typically mini-lessons all by themself and do a good job of putting complex processing concepts into laymen's terms.


Show me a guy who's doing it on a blue collar budget with say....less than $10k of equipment.

In the same sort of vein....find me a speaker that can talk about setting up a remote site....without having to spend huge cash to do it. Show me how to put my $20k imaging rig somewhere dark and remote in a permanent arrangement that doesn't require me to break open the kids college funds to pay for it.






Mike nailed it for me as well. I'd fly out in a heartbeat if you can get any of the Spanish gentlemen to speak.

Rogelio is a definite inspiration of mine. His images are surreal.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: hytham]
      #5618562 - 01/12/13 07:59 AM

Sal gave a great presentation at AIC last year. He demonstrated how to take lower priced equipment and still do some amazing processing in light polluted skies. Now that he's becoming proficient in PixInsight, I'm sure he's learned how to apply that to his data. Sal probably represents close to 95% of the imagers out there. Most do not have $30k of equipment sitting at a dark site. They fight gradients, poor seeing, and mounts that don't track perfectly. I mention Sal because he's learned to work around all those roadblocks. Maybe break the sessions up based on skill level and equipment. If your a beginning or intermediate user, listening to Juan would be way over your head. On the other side if you've been imaging for 5 years you likely don't care about how to equalize backgrounds in photoshop. I know from personal experiance imaging from my back yard with a CGEM and now imaging at New Mexico Skies with a paramount, the quality of the data and the ease of processing is far different. My problem is do I throw out all the images where seeing was worse than 1.75?
One thing I don't see presented very often is automation. Software has changed so dramatically and has enabled most of the difficult tasks simple. You don't need a remote site to enjoy the benefits. Many beginners do not understand plate solving and the benefits associated with it. It's a lot easier to capture a lot of data and sleep at night for a small cost of $99


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5618681 - 01/12/13 09:37 AM

I think the speakers that i have heard and have stood out have been
Ken Crawford RJ Gabany Tom Davis.Would like to hear Adam Block
Have to agree good imagers don't always make good speakers Some have been very hard to understand with English not been there native language
How about some speakers on obs automation


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Mr_T]
      #5618832 - 01/12/13 11:14 AM

Mr. T, We had Bob Denny do a talk on ACP lase year and this year I planing on a talk on CCD Auto Pilot 5. and just for the record, I talked to Adam Block back in Nov. he told me at that time he was going to be in the Far East in April.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5618846 - 01/12/13 11:21 AM

Mike Miller, Sal? do you have a last name or contact info?

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5618903 - 01/12/13 11:45 AM

See earlier post SGT500 is user name. Warren knows him very well. Lives in FL.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5618957 - 01/12/13 12:17 PM

Thanks Mike i sent him an e-mail

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5618965 - 01/12/13 12:19 PM

Sedat, Thanks for e-mailing Jerry H. I just got off the phone with him. but i'm still not listening to you

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5618988 - 01/12/13 12:32 PM

I know you are listening. Even our hearts are beating at the same pace

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: bilgebay]
      #5621442 - 01/13/13 06:56 PM

Hello

as a speaker for AIC i would like to suggest Mischa Schirmer. He is the Author of Theli, a professionel data reduction software for visible and infrared data. The software is widely in the german speaking scene.

Mischa works as an support astronomer for the Gemini South in Chile. He was asked to do a presentation at this years CEDIC in Linz, Austria but he couldn´t make it. But maybe you guys could get him, even though a flight from Chile is sureley less expensive as a trip to Europe.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: frasax]
      #5621671 - 01/13/13 09:00 PM

Thanks Frasax, the only issue is that Theli runs on Linux not many of us use Linux

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5621907 - 01/13/13 11:20 PM

So here is the list as it stands tonight:

Robert Gendler: Tricks and tips for Processing Hubble Data

Olivier Thizy: Small Scope Spectroscopy

Peter Lipschutz: Building 3D images from your 2D data

Jon Talbot: PixInsight, (take two)

Jerry Hubbell: How Amateurs Can Generate and Use
Professional Imaging Data

John Davis: Image processing: The Right Tool(s) for the Job

Josh Lake: Enhancing and Finishing Images with PixInsight

Jim Lafferty: Imaging Our Sun in Hydrogen Alpha

Ron DiIulio: Capturing the Cosmos… the How’s and What’s of Astroimaging.

Joao S. O. Bueno: Gimp! The PhotoShop alternative ( still working on this one )

Salvatore Grasso: ( just started working on this one )

Yuri Beletski: (still working on this one)

Gianna Paglioli: ( looking in to this guy)

Mischa Schirmer: ( Looking at this guy ) He is the Author of Theli, a professionel data reduction software for visible and infrared data. Mischa works as an support astronomer for the Gemini South observatory in Chile.

And last Damian Peach ( still working on him ... should have an answer next week..


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5622249 - 01/14/13 08:30 AM

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One thing I don't see presented very often is automation. Software has changed so dramatically and has enabled most of the difficult tasks simple. You don't need a remote site to enjoy the benefits. Many beginners do not understand plate solving and the benefits associated with it. It's a lot easier to capture a lot of data and sleep at night for a small cost of $99




I agree with this completely. Get someone to talk about automation programs for the rest of us - the guys who just want to set up in their backyards and get some sleep while capturing images. Programs like Sequence Generator have completely changed the game. $99 makes automation available to all of us.

Kevin


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: astrovienna]
      #5622277 - 01/14/13 08:47 AM

It is definitely easy to find good astrophotographer, but less to find good astrophotographers who are able to speak in front of public and even less to be able to speak good English in front of public.
Therefore you need to be very careful on who you choose. The message perceived in a conference is more important then astrophotographer's works.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: astrovienna]
      #5625896 - 01/16/13 10:05 AM

Kevin, can you give me more info, on the software your talking about i did a search on Sequence Generator and come up with a lot of random stuff.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5626013 - 01/16/13 11:11 AM

Hi Bob,

Here is the website.

I am also using this software and I can recommend it heartily.

Clear skies

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5626458 - 01/16/13 04:00 PM

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Kevin, can you give me more info, on the software your talking about i did a search on Sequence Generator and come up with a lot of random stuff.




The 3 main programs available are CCD Commander written by Matt Thomas of SBig as a separate product, CCD AutoPilot by CCDware, and the easiest to use but highest cost, ACP by Bob Denny co creator of ASCOM. I gave a presentation of remote imaging at PATS last year wit Tim Puckett and the group was amazed at what was possible and how easy it all was. I sometimes wonder why guys will spend a huge amount on equipment, but balk at software cost. Next to a quality mount, automation software is the best investment I've ever made.


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5626489 - 01/16/13 04:10 PM

I'm using CCD Commander. I have no experience with the others, but I did see an interesting real-time demo of ACP at AIC last Oct. For me the ability to shoot automated dusk/dawn sky flats is alone worth the $99 registration for CCDC.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5626500 - 01/16/13 04:14 PM

Thanks Sedat, I have tried to reach out to them with no reply

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5626650 - 01/16/13 05:34 PM

Hi Bob,

Mischa is a professional in every way. Very good speaker, very profound knowledge about almost every part and angle of astrophotography. And he is a professional astronomer, take a look at this:

http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1249/

Also have a look on his Website:

http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~mischa/


Theli is just one aspect of him.
(beside that it´s no witchcraft to install a linux system, even i did it:-))))

CS Frank


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5626679 - 01/16/13 05:47 PM

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Kevin, can you give me more info, on the software your talking about i did a search on Sequence Generator and come up with a lot of random stuff.




Bob, sent you a PM with contacts. In short, SG controls the imaging cam (capture, cooling), the mount (slewing, platesolving, parking, dithering via interface with PHD), guide cam, filter wheel, focuser, etc. It now allows capturing of multiple targets in a single session. You program all this in advance (and go to sleep).

I know you can do this with programs like CCDAP etc for $100-200, but my understanding (which admittedly is not deep) is that those programs all require MaximDL for capturing, which is $500 more. I think it's fair to call SG's $99 price tag "disruptive."

Kevin


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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: astrovienna]
      #5626771 - 01/16/13 06:41 PM

I be weary of anything not ASCOM, sorry it looks like will work with ASCOM to a point, but not with focusmax. That would be a deal killer for me. Most auto focusers work well with focusmax. For guiding I certainly wouldn't use PHD with an automated setup up. One beauty of Maxim is you calibrate once for guiding and unless you change equipment you never have to do it again. Meta guide is really unproven and Astroart means you have to buy another program. CCDsoft is worthless and hasn't been updated in years. Just my two cents. The ASCOM platform was developed for a reason, to make sure all equipment could talk to each other. The aforementioned automation programs are simply writing scripts that use Maxim's built in observatory control program which is much to complicated for the average user to learn. The beauty is once you understand how to put together simple scripts its easy to modify. For example, I have a simple script called start up observatory. It turns on every program cools the camera, homes the mount, and I'm ready to load a simple plan. ASCOM is all open source, Matt Thomas was smart enough to put together some simple basic scripts that users could understand. The interface is just a little cumbersome and doesn't have as many features. Sadly Maxim cost what it does because of all the pirated copies out there. The willingness to steal software has driven up the cost for the honest people.

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5627245 - 01/16/13 11:49 PM

Big W. I need to talk to you tomorrow about your roll this year, I have an evil plan. I'm meeting with the hotel tomorrow at 10:00am so I'll call you after that at some point

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Re: Pole: Who are the best 5 deep sky imagers in the w new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5628184 - 01/17/13 02:24 PM

I use Autopilot with ccdsoft or Maxim I use ccdsoft so i can use direct guide to the paramount

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Re: Pole: Speaker up date new [Re: Mr_T]
      #5630365 - 01/18/13 06:25 PM

Here is the speaker up date as of today::

Robert Gendler: Tricks and tips for Processing Hubble Data

Olivier Thizy: Small Scope Spectroscopy

Peter Lipschutz: Building 3D images from your 2D data

Jon Talbot: PixInsight, (take two)

Jerry Hubbell: How Amateurs Can Generate and Use
Professional Imaging Data

John Davis: Image processing: The Right Tool(s) for the Job

Josh Lake: Enhancing and Finishing Images with PixInsight

Jim Lafferty: Imaging Our Sun in Hydrogen Alpha

Ron DiIulio: Capturing the Cosmos… the How’s and What’s of Astroimaging.

Joao S. O. Bueno: Gimp! The PhotoShop alternative ( still working on this one )

Salvatore Grasso: Sal can't come because of school

Yuri Beletski: on board, talk is still TBA

Gianna Paglioli: has said yes, but he needs to work out some issues before giving me the 100%

Mischa Schirmer: Not practical for NEAIC the software runs on linux only. He is the Author of Theli, a professionel data reduction software for visible and infrared data. Mischa works as an support astronomer for the Gemini South observatory in Chile.

And last Damian Peach, I talked to Damian today, he is unable to come this year .... the same answer we have gotten the last four years.


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Re: Pole: Speaker up date new [Re: Bob Moore]
      #5630489 - 01/18/13 07:43 PM

wish I could make it this year, my senior thesis presentation is the same date as the conference

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Re: Pole: Speaker up date new [Re: SGT500]
      #5630560 - 01/18/13 08:43 PM

Come on Sal being a Dr. Can wait!!

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Re: Pole: Speaker up date new [Re: vpcirc]
      #5630764 - 01/18/13 10:55 PM

One day I hope to be volunteered for such a list...

But I agree with some above. I think there is real value in talks about getting the best results with less than best skies and reasonable equipment (let's face it, if your into 30, 40, 50k worth of installed equip in an semi-permanent observatory, you are in a different potential league than many...)


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Re: Pole: Speaker up date new [Re: jmasin]
      #5637963 - 01/22/13 11:05 PM

you can add Jerry Lodriguss to the NEAIC line up, Jerry will be doing at night time 3 to 4 hour workshop.

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