Da Bear
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I had set up my scope in the front yard, early one evening, and a neighbor, whom I barely knew, asked If I knew anything about German optics. I was honest, and said " I know Leica and Zeiss, are quality optics, and I don't know much else." One conversation led to meeting another friend.....you've all been there, following a lot of dead end searches.
This time it finally led to a...stash.... of grey boxes in a dusty warehouse.
The cardboard boxes were German and had a DDR address. Each grey spotting scope looked very military, and was shipped in a brown leather zippered pouch. It also had a wooden tripod with some serious grey metal tips and a small machined alt-az mount that fitted to the spotting scope, Zeiss Jena logo. Aseola I think was the name on the paperwork. 26 x 63mm . The eyepiece could be removed from the the helical focuser and looked to be .965. The scopes is built like a M1 tank, with a rifle vee and post sight. Can someone give an ID and estimated value. The owner wants to trade the entire stash... for some very high end collectable WO, UO and TV eyepieces.
No photos, yet, but I'd recognize one if I saw it again on the web. I can trade for one, then trade for the rest, if the price is right.
Thanks guys.
Da Bear
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Telescopes are instruments of hope and faith. Hope that a better, clearer and brighter universe can be observed. Faith that we can bring these discoveries back to our small planet and create positive changes for all of it's inhabitants.
Edited by Da Bear (03/20/08 09:12 PM)
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nightstalker
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anything like these ?
http://www.astrosurf.com/pruneda/ocasio/index.htm
scroll down page
regards graham
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mlcolbert
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you could always give Marcus a yell, so to speak, he would probably know.
He is also a frequent visitor to the U.S. I believe.
www.apm-telescopes.de or email
anfrage@apm-telescopes.de
hope this helps
michael
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Gerd
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The Zeiss Asiola is a classic spotting scope for ornithologists made by Carl Zeiss Jena .
The lens is a cemented C-Type with a aperture of 63mm like the telementor, the focal length is the half of telementor, 420mm.
Usually there are Zeiss orthoscopic 0.96" eyepieces with 10mm or 16mm or 25mm focal length.
You can find Asiolas by some auctions in German ebay.
http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=asiola&category0=
Attention, SHARP STUFF!
Kindly regards from Germany
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nykaver
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Sounds exactly what Gerd said. I have one which I purchased on the bay about 2 years ago. Very sharp and high contrast. I paid about $550 complete with the tripod in minty condition. Probably overpaid a little but...I had Zeiss fever!
BTW, anybody know how to remove the Asiola eyepiece? Mine won't just pull out and I don't see any set screws. I'd like to use the ortho in my AS63.
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Da Bear
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Great Info everyone, you all nailed it! Danke Gerd. Goat leather container, (Ziegenlederbehälter) very unique. Now, the tough part, can I sell them as NOS ( New Old Stock) to help support my hobby costs? The one I saw had a medium weight wooden tripod with serious metal tips...
Da Bear
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mlcolbert
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How many here on the site would be interested, maybe check out the swap/shop threads?
michael
PS I would go for one but I recently picked up my third 500mm telephoto for the APQ when it arrives.
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APQ 130/3x500 mm Telephotos/2xMC80/MC35/5x7 back/lunar and planetary camera
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Da Bear
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Hi all,
If I do this, they will be sold at a price where I can sell them out fast. The seller is however is looking at the original invoice from 1970 and adding in inflation on the dollar. I have assured him that these scopes are NOT worth $4800, no way ,no how, not ever. I have told him that current Zeiss spotting scopes are between $1.6 to $2.8 K and these must sell for less than that. There is some value to being Zeiss and minty and 38 years old, and Jena DDR stamped but its still a 63mm f/6.6 scope and that is only worth so much. It will be interesting...
I've got one home now and I'll try to post some pic's soon.. The wooden tripod is a real jewel with a shiny finish and wonderful grain highlights, and the optics, well...its a minty Zeiss Jena and its ....stunning, with great contrast, Razor sharp with a focused view that just pops into your eye...everything I expected and much more.
Da Bear
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Telescopes are instruments of hope and faith. Hope that a better, clearer and brighter universe can be observed. Faith that we can bring these discoveries back to our small planet and create positive changes for all of it's inhabitants.
Edited by Da Bear (03/23/08 12:26 AM)
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Da Bear
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Well , the seller and I came to an agreement on price and terms...for the whole stash.. Coming soon to CN Swap and Shop...
So here are some pictures.....
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Da Bear
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Another
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Da Bear
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An oak tripod......
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Da Bear
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another...
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Da Bear
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Tripod at full height
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Da Bear
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oh yea..goat leather case
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Telescopes are instruments of hope and faith. Hope that a better, clearer and brighter universe can be observed. Faith that we can bring these discoveries back to our small planet and create positive changes for all of it's inhabitants.
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Gerd
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The Asiola is really a classic scope.
Yours is a very late one, because I read "Made in Germany"
under the "Carl Zeiss Jena" label.
I think it is made in the early nineties and it is in a mint condition -very nice!
A example of a very early Asiola you can see as a finderscope
on Ed Turners 9,5 inch Zeiss from 1933. 
Kindly regards
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Gerd
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Da Bear
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Please check Shop and Swap for pricing.....Sold one in the first hour..
Da Bear
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Da Bear
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I'm sure Gerd has the 1992'ish date right on these, a couple of other folks has emailed the same information.....Lots of interest...
Da Bear
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For what it's worth, I was at Scope City today and they have them for sale for $999. The store manager told me that Zeiss comes out with this scope every so often and that it's built exactly like the very first one ever made. The wooden tripod and simple az mount looked extremely well made as did the scope.
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
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Steve_M_M
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Interesting...they were at Scope City 3 weeks ago for $599, now $999. Last year $1999. I think $999 is a great price, but glad I got one for $599. Great scopes!
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Starlighter
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Scope City had a sale where they dropped the price. It's back up again. At $599 I'd have been interested. The scope appears to take 0.96 eyepieces and others can be used. I was told the one Scope City is selling only comes with one eyepiece. The magnification level of 26x means this is not a very powerful scope. And I was told it uses a porro prism whereas most modern day spotting scopes use roof prisms.
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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Gerd
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Quote:
And I was told it uses a porro prism whereas most modern day spotting scopes use roof prisms.
Because this is a really classic spotting scope a Porro is okay 
Love it or leave it
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Starlighter
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The salesman at Scope City claimed that in some cases, porro prisms are as good, if not better than roof prisms.
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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Gerd
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These are wise words
from the mouth of a salesman 
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Starlighter
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So if this scope ever goes back on sale for $599, is it worth buying?
It comes with a nice brown suede pouch for the scope. The wooden tripod and az mount is nicely made. The whole thing has a quality look about it that made it stand out from all the modern spotting scopes it was sitting next to. I now wish I had taken the time to look through it.
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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Starlighter
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Check out the ad and especially the German to English translation :
Zeiss Asiola Spotting Scope
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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"Winkelprismas"
What a delightful word!
Makes astronomy sound like Christmas time!
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From the places where they hide throughout the day
Into pictures in the heavens even we cannot corrupt
And the vastnesses of time can't wash away..."Jeff Green
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Da Bear
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At $599 is a great deal.....
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Starlighter
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Hmmmmm.....maybe I can talk them into letting me have it for the sale price. After all, with today's lousy economy, it's a buyer's market.
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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Steve_M_M
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Myself and at least 1 other member here bought one for $599. I bet they sold a few and then decided they could get more, so they raised the price. Last I was in there, they had 20-24 left.
These are great spotting scopes. But, maybe not so great astro scopes. The problem is the focus at "infinity" is basically all the way in. The focus travel is also very short..I have not measured it, but I would say maybe 45-50mm. So, adding a diagonal or even using certain .965" EP's has been problematic. Even adding a .965" to 1.25" adapter does not even come close to working.
The other member who purchased one has tried barlows without success. Harry Siebert and I have exchanged several emails on the problem and he says he has a solution, but it is non-refundable 
Does anyone here own an Asiola and have a solution?
Thanks!
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1956 Goto Optical 6" f15 Observatory Refractor
From the Titan Observatory as featured in S&T 1957-1959
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1961 Nishimura 6" Reflector
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Starlighter
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I would never use it for astronomy. It's just such a cool looking precision instrument that I'd love to own one.
You say switching out eyepieces is problematic. You mean using a higher power doesn't come to focus?
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Celestron C4-R 102mm achromat
Celeston Nexstar 6SE SCT
Meade 80mm APO Triplet
Televue NP-101
Televue TV-85
Vixen A70Lf
Vixen A80Mf
William Optics 66mm Zenithstar Patriot
Celestron CG4 EQ mount
Orion Skyview Pro AZ mount
Vixen Portamount
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Astrojensen
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Some of you probably realise what you could build, if you bought two of them......
Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark
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Gerd
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And mount them on Howie Glatters PST Bino Plattform
In Autumn 2005 I had the honor to meet him on Emberger Alm, Austria, a nice guy!
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Gerd
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