albert1
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Thought some of you may find this interesting.
I wonder how Tom Cave crated these? Weighs in at about 1100 lbs crated. 5 days labor and an enjoyable project. With proper plans and organization it's only about a 3 maybe 4 day job. I hated doing it but I knew it was going to a great new owner who will bring it back to its original condition and that makes me happy. The mirror was placed in a removable wooden box as part of the mount crate and the (2) 50 lb counterweights are under that box. This design made the finished mount crate very well balanced. The focuser, rings and other hardware are in the other box in the same crate. The OTA sits alone in its own crate. When it arrives all the new owner has to do is remove the screws along the bottom of the wood enclosures - the enclosures come right off the base. If I were to do it over again, I would have done one or two things a little differently although nothing major. A little more lumber and labor than I had planned but its always that way. Here's the finished crates after much research, planning and contemplation before I was confident this baby would survive it's almost 2000 mile journey. I think it will.
Edited by albert1 (10/06/09 08:35 AM)
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albert1
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6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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albert1
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albert1
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albert1
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albert1
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
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One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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albert1
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Albert
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6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
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One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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albert1
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Albert
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One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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actionhac
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Very well done. Kinda like Dinosaur fossils ain't it?
Wish those boxes were going to my house.
Robert
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mustgobigger
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someone is going to be very happy. 
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Meade 826
Meade 880 Deluxe
Unitron's 114,128,140,142,150,152,155,160
4" Jaegertron
4.5" A.E f/14 Refractor
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plyscope
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Good job Albert.
I once crated up an old motorcycle like that for a trip from Mallorca (Spain) to Australia. It survived the trip unharmed.
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Andy
6" f15 refractor
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JamesE
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That's pretty impressive.
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(Thanks to Attilla for the Clear Sky charts)
Current Projects : Tasco 15TEA - 3 inch pier mounted planetary scope
Priorities : Wife, Kids
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albert1
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Thanks guys.
I hope the pics are helpful should anyone else ever consider shipping their monster scope.
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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CHASLX200
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Ship that monster my way. My offer is still good.
Chas
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albert1
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Ship that monster my way. My offer is still good.
Chas
You spoiled my surprise. 
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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clintwhitman
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Who owns it now???
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Clint&Debbie Whitman (aveman
1960s 6"F15 Jaegers-Unipons by John Pons on a Byers 812, 1947 4" F15 TINSLEY, 1965 10" F8 CAVE, 1950 5CM & 6.5CM Nippon Kogakus (the twins), 1960s UNITRONS a 152 restored a 160 numbered green lens original mint a 114 original 50s mint, 1950s UNITRON M100 100mm F15 OTA, WO 80mm Florite, ASTROPHYSICS 155 EDFS on LOSMANDY G11, a bunch of Tascos,Sears Mayflowers The list goes on Add infinitum.
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albert1
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Saying Good-bye
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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Tarzanrock
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Clint:
I had hoped that you had purchased it from Albert so that I (and others) could have had the opportunity to view through it at Mt. Pinos.
More importantly, I was dreaming that if you had acquired it from Albert, you would rig it, together with your marvelous 12.5 Cave instrument, for "binoviewing."
William
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albert1
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Who owns it now???
Not sure if the new owner wishes to be identified yet . I can say its not one of us on this forum. I think he will be starting a web page of the restoration which will be nice.
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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CHASLX200
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I would have been the owner if that scope was local. Shipping such a beast is a deal killer. After years hunting for a Cave with the 2.5" mount here in FL i have about given up.
Chas
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JWW
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My 16 inch came from Alabama to Arizona. Not a deal killer for me. Just depends on what you want and how bad you want it. <grin>
-JWW:
PS: Great job packing Albert, most haven't a clue how to pack, then complain when something is broken. <duh>
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Mark Lancaster
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Albert,
One of the best crating jobs I have seen. Good work!
Mark
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droid
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My 16 inch came from Alabama to Arizona. Not a deal killer for me. Just depends on what you want and how bad you want it. <grin>
-JWW:
PS: Great job packing Albert, most haven't a clue how to pack, then complain when something is broken. <duh>
not to mention how much money you got to throw at it...lol.
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12 inch Truss Reflector "John"
102mm Celestron C102HD
Tasco 7TE5 60mm Classic
Tasco 9TE5 60mm Classic
Celestron Ultima 2000 SCT
Remains of an 8 inch dob
Celestron Comet catcher(orange tube)
1960 Edscorp Space Conquerer 6inch f/8
10x50 Bushnell Binoculars.
11T 4.5 inch Tasco reflector Lunograsso?
60mm Telescope Club
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albert1
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I've just been informed the crates arrived exactly as they appear in my driveway. Having never shipped a 12.5 Cave before, I must admit my crates may have been a little overkill. Just the crates weighed almost 400 lbs. but I just wouldn't have felt comfortable with anything less sturdy.
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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albert1
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Thanks for the kudos fellas.
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Albert
1 Great 'ole Newt
6 Good 'ole Newts
3 Great 'ole Cats
1 Lousy 'ole Newt
One of these days I'll try a Refractor better than my 90mm finderscope
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tim53
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Depending on the shipping company, that might not have been overpacked! 
I've received packages from a well-known, but to be unnamed here, company that have been essentially destroyed in shipping.
When I worked at Meade 30 years ago, we'd occasionally get scopes returned due to shipping damage. The funniest (to us, probably not the buyer) was an 826 with a perfectly-beautiful rectangular hole in the middle of the box, through both sides of the tube, and out the other side of the box. Somebody skewered it with a fork lift! We assembled a completely new OTA and shipped it out at no cost to the buyer.
-Tim.
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Someone promised there`d be answers, if we stayed around."
-Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, "The Romance of the Telescope"
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clintwhitman
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I sent a 10" F6 Cave in 5 Cardboard Doubled boxes to Boston from LA to my friend Rich. $300 DL whatever. It arived Perfect.... LUCKY Your shipping method looked like it was going over seas!! I sent another 12.5 cave to a friend in idaho via another long haul trucker friend and didnt even take the scope apart $75 rolled it on in Van Nuys and my friend rolled it off in Boise. It was still colimated!! That was the best way so far, no work!
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1960s 6"F15 Jaegers-Unipons by John Pons on a Byers 812, 1947 4" F15 TINSLEY, 1965 10" F8 CAVE, 1950 5CM & 6.5CM Nippon Kogakus (the twins), 1960s UNITRONS a 152 restored a 160 numbered green lens original mint a 114 original 50s mint, 1950s UNITRON M100 100mm F15 OTA, WO 80mm Florite, ASTROPHYSICS 155 EDFS on LOSMANDY G11, a bunch of Tascos,Sears Mayflowers The list goes on Add infinitum.
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mustgobigger
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great job albert,
if i ever sell mine its pickup only.
or clints method.
Brian
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Meade 826
Meade 880 Deluxe
Unitron's 114,128,140,142,150,152,155,160
4" Jaegertron
4.5" A.E f/14 Refractor
4" f/15 Edmund's Refractor
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albert1
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Quote:
I sent a 10" F6 Cave in 5 Cardboard Doubled boxes to Boston from LA to my friend Rich. $300 DL whatever. It arived Perfect.... LUCKY Your shipping method looked like it was going over seas!! I sent another 12.5 cave to a friend in idaho via another long haul trucker friend and didnt even take the scope apart $75 rolled it on in Van Nuys and my friend rolled it off in Boise. It was still colimated!! That was the best way so far, no work!
(aveman
That all sounds sweeeeet Clint. Before I did anything I called around and noone would insure it unless it was well packed. Let me re-phrase that. Noone would actually pay on a claim unless it was packed in crates well enough to sustain a direct mortar assault.
I would have delivered it myself but I wasn't sure my van would handle a 3600 mile trip.
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It was still collimated!!
Edited by albert1 (10/08/09 08:14 AM)
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Timber
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Wonderful job Albert,
I just bought a 12.5" and will drive 3500 miles, one way, to pick it up.
Richard
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My four beautiful Saluki's; Barron, Sophie, Majnun and Kassandra, and I live on a small, rural, remote farm.
No close neighbors,
No streetlights,
No private security lights,
No power poles,
No traffic,
No TV,
No HOA 
No Mosquitoes
Rather Wonderful
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TimD
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Fantastic Ablert! I don't have the patience to do that but it should pay off in helping the scope survive in the same shape as it currently is.
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WO Megrez 102
Meade ETX 90, ETX 125
Meade LX90
Classic Orange tube C14, C90, C5+
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