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The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols
      #3888214 - 06/26/10 11:23 PM Attachment (596 downloads)

Just for fun I decided to go through and gather up some information on Japanese symbols so it is all in one place. We have had various discussions on symbols and tags, but I could not find one that was all inclusive. Some of this goes all the way back to the start of the Classic Forum on CN. You are all probably in possession of better pictures on some of these, so please add them to update the post. Also, as you can see, some of these are still not classified by me. I could have easily missed a post or two, so if you know what Circle M (maybe Mizar) is for example, please let us know.

It is going to take me an hour or so to get all these posted, and I am going to do them somewhat alphabetically. I will post a few distributors symbols and we can add more if you all like.

Let’s get started…

Here is Circle A-Astro Optical


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888216 - 06/26/10 11:24 PM Attachment (460 downloads)

More Astro Optical Symbols

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888219 - 06/26/10 11:25 PM Attachment (327 downloads)

I will get to the Royals later....

APL-Apollo Labs or Apollo Business and Industry-Mostly on Bushnell and Mayflower brands, Did show up on a Jason Saturn.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888224 - 06/26/10 11:27 PM Attachment (330 downloads)

AvA-Takahashi...the unknown quiet Tak Mostly on Swift brands.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888226 - 06/26/10 11:28 PM

I saw a circle B once. I think it was Pentax. Anyone have a picture?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888228 - 06/26/10 11:29 PM Attachment (257 downloads)

C.O.C Carton Optical

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888233 - 06/26/10 11:31 PM Attachment (203 downloads)

Diamond BOL-Mostly on Bushnell There has been much discussion about this one, but I could find no clear authority on the manufacturer.

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      #3888235 - 06/26/10 11:33 PM Attachment (248 downloads)

Ok, so I am a bit out of order

Upside down Y-Eikow. Seem to be all over. I have seen Eikow on many brands both well known and not.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888237 - 06/26/10 11:34 PM Attachment (216 downloads)

Another Eikow for fun.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888241 - 06/26/10 11:38 PM Attachment (289 downloads)

Circle K-This one I have a lot of trouble with. Before CN, I had a circle K telescope that had a manual with it, for the telescope, that was Vixen. Vixen was Koyu before Vixen. I believe those Vixen employees came from another optical house, just can't remember which one. Then came a bunch of peopple insisting Circle K was Pentax. Now, Circle K is Kenko. But KOL, King Optical, is also Circle K. So, make up your own mind. Here are some circle K's.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888243 - 06/26/10 11:39 PM Attachment (216 downloads)

Circle K on OKKK scope

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888252 - 06/26/10 11:42 PM Attachment (172 downloads)

Circle K on King and link to King, KOL, on Hiroki's site.

King Manual


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888253 - 06/26/10 11:43 PM Attachment (179 downloads)

One more Circle K

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888257 - 06/26/10 11:44 PM Attachment (171 downloads)

Circle M-No clear decision on manufacturer. Is it Mizar? Seems to be mostly on eyepieces and mostly Celestron.

Edit: Confirmation from Japan friends is that Circle M is Mizar.

Edited by Steve_M_M (06/28/10 10:32 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888263 - 06/26/10 11:46 PM Attachment (171 downloads)

Oh Shoot, I forgot Clint's favorite. H.O.C. Hino Optical.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888268 - 06/26/10 11:48 PM Attachment (298 downloads)

Royal Astro...you guys all know these. Seemingly the most coveted and also seem to be on most brands. Looks like TOWA took them out as the brands with Royal transitioned to TOWA.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888270 - 06/26/10 11:49 PM Attachment (187 downloads)

More Royal-with SPI, Southern Precision Instruments

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888274 - 06/26/10 11:51 PM Attachment (237 downloads)

Royal with Lafayette-Top of the line Lafayette is the Arcturus, if you see one, buy it. Gigantic awesome scope.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888275 - 06/26/10 11:51 PM Attachment (276 downloads)

And the Tasco Royal prior to changing to TOWA

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888285 - 06/26/10 11:54 PM Attachment (269 downloads)

Next up is TOWA. I think we have all seen TOWA, circle T. It's everywhere.

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      #3888299 - 06/27/10 12:00 AM Attachment (196 downloads)

This next one is one of my favorites. SYW, Yamamoto. You know, I think this is where the Vixen employees went to.

These are on a lot of Mayflowers and many other brands. There must have been some stiff competition, or collaboration, between Yamamoto and Royal. You see a lot of scopes with the same brand as SYW or Royal, seemingly during the same time period.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888303 - 06/27/10 12:02 AM Attachment (172 downloads)

One of my Mayflowers...

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888312 - 06/27/10 12:05 AM Attachment (148 downloads)

Circle V-Vixen. The crazy part is determine the reason or dating for Circle V vs Double Circle V vs No Circle V vs Whatever Circle V. That is for another discussion that I believe Bill Rose has covered.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888314 - 06/27/10 12:07 AM Attachment (156 downloads)

Now, a couple impostors. First Circle W. Anyone know where this comes from?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888316 - 06/27/10 12:08 AM Attachment (156 downloads)

And the, Diamond Z-Zanzutsu (sp?)

Circle Z is better than most anything you can buy today, but IMHO inferior to Royal, Yamamoto, Eikow, etc.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888347 - 06/27/10 12:24 AM

This thread ought to be a Sticky too!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888349 - 06/27/10 12:24 AM Attachment (145 downloads)

So, what am I missing? Showa is one, but that is a rare bird and I believe the actual optics were made by Hidaki. Goto says Goto and Nikon usually says Nikon or Nippon Kogaku.

Ahh yes, here's one...Star with Crescent moon-Nishimura

Edited by Steve_M_M (06/28/10 04:29 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888394 - 06/27/10 01:01 AM Attachment (166 downloads)

This may be off topic because I don't think this Japanese optical company made telescopes, only eyepieces. But it's such a cool logo!

It's the Saturn symbol with a G and C - the Gailand Company - which made the famous Galoc eyepieces.

Here's my 7mm Ortho and original box. I also have the original Telescopics Co. invoice from 1969.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888488 - 06/27/10 03:16 AM

Steve,

Wow. Have you had an intimate connection with many (all?) of these labels over the years or ? What a great collection of fine opticals! Thanks for compiling and sharing.

other keith


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888489 - 06/27/10 03:16 AM

Re: Diamond-Z = Tanzutsu. Is Tanzutsu actually a company or did this just come from the Tanzutsu ("pistol") telescope sold by Jason in the 80's? Is there any other sourcing for this?

I found this thread from a few years ago. Anyone heard of U.R. Corporation?

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Diamond Z is mark of U.R.corporation.
http://www.ur-jp.com/index.html

U.R.corporation say below.

"We are gets high trust from customers through production of optics articles or the export of telescope or binoculars.
Above all, We supplied American three major brands as OEM in a field of a telescope, and the share boasts of the results to occupy the majority in America.
And we sold a lot of unique telescopes since the establishment of a business of 1965 domestically in a market."




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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: terrapin]
      #3888624 - 06/27/10 06:58 AM Attachment (133 downloads)

Awesome thread Steve! I agree - should be a sticky.

Here is an example of the Takahashi logo on the 8x50 finderscope on my Cave.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: PiSigma]
      #3888626 - 06/27/10 07:00 AM Attachment (129 downloads)

Here's one I'm curious about. This is stamped on the handles of the case for my Sears 6344. Star with a crescent:

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3888669 - 06/27/10 08:05 AM

Years ago the department store K-Mart sold Focal telescopes.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: PiSigma]
      #3888813 - 06/27/10 10:26 AM Attachment (159 downloads)

Thats Takahashi???? I wondered when I would figure that out Here is my 1965 Cave finder Also its on the 1965 Astrola 6mm Triplane eyepiece.

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      #3888828 - 06/27/10 10:35 AM Attachment (112 downloads)

Thanks Jon for the Info.... Steve you are a Clasaholic for sure. HOC seems to be the rare one. I sure like the optics in the hand signed 80mm I found... Steve thanks for putting the time in to posting this. Maybe it will become the big data base for these trademarks. I was getting sick of looking on Europa!!!
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: clintwhitman]
      #3889474 - 06/27/10 05:00 PM Attachment (152 downloads)

Here is one Keith just posted.

Hiroki (Galakuma) in Japan believes this is also Takahashi. Further research is being done.

Edited by Steve_M_M (06/28/10 10:34 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3889511 - 06/27/10 05:24 PM

Quote:

Here is one Keith just posted. Hopefully we can get some answers on Circle M, -, and this one....




Looks like the symbol for Infinity to me


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Datapanic]
      #3889977 - 06/27/10 10:37 PM

Oops! Wrong thread!

Edited by tim53 (06/27/10 10:37 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3890012 - 06/27/10 11:00 PM

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I will get to the Royals later....

APL-Apollo Labs or Apollo Business and Industry-Mostly on Bushnell and Mayflower brands, Did show up on a Jason Saturn.




....and on my 10x70 Celestron Finder






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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: JamesE]
      #3890054 - 06/27/10 11:34 PM Attachment (106 downloads)

It's important to note that telescope company's did switch manufacturers from time to time and they may use different manufacturers for different models. Earlier in this thread, Steve posted a picture of his 76mm Mayflower made by SYW. Here is a picture of a 60mm Mayflower I had that was made by APL:

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Astro Optical did not always use its manufacturer's mark. Here is a picture of the focuser from a 50mm Astro Optical Co. Ltd scope from the mid 1950s. This scope was also made for Bushnell and Micronta.

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      #3890069 - 06/27/10 11:48 PM Attachment (108 downloads)

JamesE,

Did you notice that "Celestron" is misspelled on your 10X70 finder? That's a real conversation piece! I wonder how many of this particular finder were produced with this misspelling?

Edited by Lew Chilton (06/27/10 11:49 PM)


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      #3890079 - 06/27/10 11:58 PM

Preston,

That's the one noted above as Type 2. It is great to see the old Astro label on a telescope. Have you ever seen another telescope like yours with the full ASTRO?


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3890110 - 06/28/10 12:31 AM Attachment (131 downloads)

Scope with Astro Optical trademark stamp.

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      #3890112 - 06/28/10 12:32 AM Attachment (139 downloads)

Koyu Co. Vixen

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Quote:

Preston,

That's the one noted above as Type 2. It is great to see the old Astro label on a telescope. Have you ever seen another telescope like yours with the full ASTRO?




Hi Steve!

Nope, This is the only one I have seen with the full ASTRO.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3890880 - 06/28/10 01:18 PM

Great thread Steve! Maybe we could include your previous post relating to this. Here it is, dated 12-25-09;

Here are some I threw together...

Badge SOC=Showa Optical Company (Not the same as S.O.C)
Circle T-Towa
Circle Dash (-)-?????
Circle K-Kenko or Koyu (Pre-Vixen)
Diamond Z-Tanzutsu
Diamond SYW-Yamamoto
Circle Upside down Y-Eikow
Circle + (plus)-Shimadzu Seisakusho
Circle W-? Wannabe?
Diamond BOL-??? Bushnell Optical Labs
HOC-Hino Optical Company
Circle V-Vixen
Crown Goto-Goto Optical (why can’t they all be this easy!)
Circle A-Astro Optical
Circle G, backwards G, in a cross-Astro Optical-Older
COC-Carton Optical Company
APL-Apollo Business & Industry-Bought by Koyu, then Vixen.
AvA=Takahashi on Swift
Star on Crescent-Nishimura
KOL-King Optical

The attached file has pictures of these.

Any more????

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1956 Goto Optical 6" f15 Observatory Refractor
From the Titan Observatory as featured in S&T 1957-1959
1989 Astro Physics 6" f9 Nasa Glass Starfire Refractor
Kenko 100C TravelScope
Celestron C14 on Losmandy G11
Homemade 13.1" Dob
Scopes most missed-Tak FS128/FS152, Quantum 6, Mewlon 250, Bushnell "Blue Guy" 60mm-FOUND!.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #3890933 - 06/28/10 01:43 PM Attachment (125 downloads)

This symbol has been discussed over the years, circle Y? found on a lot of classic ep's and accessories.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: actionhac]
      #3890995 - 06/28/10 02:06 PM Attachment (96 downloads)

Variation of the Circle Y? Looks like a Mercedes symbol. I am sure this one has been discussed before.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #3891002 - 06/28/10 02:08 PM Attachment (104 downloads)

Logo belongs to this eyepiece. Still cannot figure out how to post multiple pictures in one post.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Lew Chilton]
      #3891103 - 06/28/10 03:08 PM

Quote:

JamesE,

Did you notice that "Celestron" is misspelled on your 10X70 finder? That's a real conversation piece! I wonder how many of this particular finder were produced with this misspelling?




Hey Lew,

Yep, I did notice it when I first got it. I thought it was cool. Glad you like it too.

My take, is that this was a first run series for Celestron and APL. Now I thought I read that APL eventually got taken over by Vixen. Is that correct?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #3891156 - 06/28/10 03:41 PM Attachment (105 downloads)

Well cool! I did not know I had done this previously. But, Now with PICTURES Looks like I missed Circle + I know I had a picture of that one, but cant find it. Anyone have Cirlce + ?

Circle Dash (minus) was confirmed by Sheldon a year or so ago as Carton. Here is one of David's EP's.

Edited by Steve_M_M (06/28/10 04:31 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3891245 - 06/28/10 04:32 PM Attachment (113 downloads)

Here's a neat one with Circle K AND Kenko. Thanks!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3891941 - 06/28/10 10:28 PM Attachment (104 downloads)

Here's a H.O.C. branded Selsi from the mid-late 50's. Unlike Clint's H.O.C. Mayflower with brass cell, the cell in mine is aluminum and non adjustable. If you see anything H.O.C. buy it. Their optics are superb!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Compressorguy]
      #3892938 - 06/29/10 12:15 PM Attachment (94 downloads)

What a great idea for a thread!

My two cents -

I had outwardly identical "Circle Dash" and "Circle V" 18mm orthoscopic eyepieces. The Circle V was noticeably superior in performance to the Circle Dash.

Here is a shot of the Tasco 9VR label with the Circle V mark.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Glassthrower]
      #3893090 - 06/29/10 01:22 PM Attachment (91 downloads)

Here is my Selsi that looks to be of the same vintage as Scott's but it is made by APL.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: DAVIDG]
      #3893303 - 06/29/10 03:05 PM Attachment (90 downloads)

Wow Steve, great thread.

Here's a mark (diamond S.O) I asked about in the binocular forum - these are binoculars branded as Hilton, and they have the 'triple tested' label on them, which implies Bushnell.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: WaterMaster]
      #3893595 - 06/29/10 06:01 PM

Maybe someone will chime in on S.O. That is not one I am familiar with. Looks bushnell to me too.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3894138 - 06/29/10 10:57 PM

I just came across a new symbol that I don't remember seeing before. It is a diamond with "OTC" inside. Anyone know who that is?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Preston Smith]
      #3894485 - 06/30/10 05:42 AM

My Prinz Optics collection are either circle T (towa) or Circle K
the model 660 is a circle K (76.2 x 1250mm)
the model 500 is a circle T (60 x 910mm)
the model 400 is a circle T (60 x 700mm)
I seem to recall that the 100 model is also a circle K but cant find my pic that proves it.
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: grendel]
      #3894707 - 06/30/10 09:40 AM

Steve,

Great Thread!

This previous thread is about greju's Bushnell that
has the Diamond SYW and a Diamond TJK.

Bushnell with Diamond SYW and Diamond TJK

I don't think we were ever 100% sure but the Diamond TJK
might have been Toyo Jitsugyo Co.

Also, the page linked below has links to lots of trademark symbols
from the 50's and 60's. Go down about halfway on the page
and look for "Trademarks of optical manufacturers".

Link to lots of stuff


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Preston Smith]
      #3894851 - 06/30/10 10:56 AM Attachment (86 downloads)

Preston, here is the one you are referring to I think, the Bushnell 50mm. Sky Rover. I cannot help as to the manufacturer. Anyone? P.S. Re-sized it three times, as good as it's gonna get!

Edited by greju (06/30/10 11:05 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: JohnD_STL]
      #3894888 - 06/30/10 11:16 AM Attachment (65 downloads)

AE-80 with the mysterious Diamond TJK and the Diamond SYW. Diamond SYW is Yamamoto as stated previously, TJK ?

Edited by greju (06/30/10 11:21 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #3894893 - 06/30/10 11:17 AM Attachment (68 downloads)

Diamond TJK again on a Wards. Along with a Pyramid ZUMA. Both unknown trademarks to me.

Edited by greju (06/30/10 11:18 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #3895028 - 06/30/10 12:42 PM

When I saw the Zuma mark, I thought it was in a mountain.
Mount Zuma.
Watch out! Montezuma's Revenge!

But seriously, the only other reference to Zuma on a
telescope I have found so far is this ebay listing:

Zuma Telescope on ebay

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: JohnD_STL]
      #3906147 - 07/06/10 02:54 PM

Great stuff guys ! Keep it coming !

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: starrancher]
      #3909256 - 07/08/10 10:46 AM Attachment (99 downloads)

This one is definitely a Towa, Circle T logo and all.
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: grendel]
      #3909351 - 07/08/10 11:29 AM

Nothing says 60's like a Peter Max font!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: WaterMaster]
      #3926501 - 07/16/10 10:24 PM

Since I don't have permission to post the photos, forgive the serial links. I thought I would solicit thoughts here. If my thoughts seem reasonable concerning identifying Mizar instruments, I will contact the sellers and ask for the photos and permission to post them.

Note this recent eBay auction claims to be for a vintage Mizar refractor. Look at an enlarged version of the second photo to see the label. There is no maker's mark, but note the script used to identify it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Telescope-Refractor-80mm-560mm-F-7-Japan-Mizar-/140426535244?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b212e14c

Okay. I saw this this past week (was going to bid if it had stayed below $100) and it rang a visual bell. I tracked it down. Look at this refractor apparently from a storage unit that's been featured on the eBay/CL thread on & off for several months - focus on the script on the label (again, no maker's mark):

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/for/1839368849.html

Last example (which confirms that I am a chronic CL nut) - a very affordable 60mm refractor in the O.C. Again, note the script, and lack of a maker's mark:

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/for/1846361264.html

Are others comfortable with identifying Mizar, not by a maker's mark, but by a characteristic script?


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Nave]
      #3927136 - 07/17/10 09:31 AM

Without a maker's mark, it would be hard to say for sure if any of these are Mizar. That being said, I believe there is a good chance they are late model Mizars (plastic focus knobs, plastic access, and non-threaded focusers). I wonder if we took one of these apart if any sign of Mizar could be found.

It would be nice to have the Ebay photo for the thread here.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #3927293 - 07/17/10 11:07 AM

I'll contact the seller.
I'm also going to be in Orange County at the end of the month - I'll offer to put $20 in the mail to the owner with the similar looking label 60mm down there and see if anything can be garnered from it.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4001132 - 08/23/10 12:03 PM Attachment (78 downloads)

I think I can finally confirm the BOL symbol even though I have to admit it is not what I thought it was. It had been suggested in earliar posts that BOL might have stood for Bushnell Optical Laboratory but knowing that David P. Bushnell sold telescopes that he "got of the shelf" as he put it I doubted that he would ever use the phrase "Bushnell Optical Laboratory" as he never actually manufactured anything. But as I later found out he did use "opticians" in his California shop to do warranty work so I am guessing that gave someone the idea and viola, Bushnell Optical Laboratory Inc.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4001135 - 08/23/10 12:05 PM Attachment (76 downloads)

Speaking of warranty work can you imagine anyone now offering a warranty like this!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4001159 - 08/23/10 12:15 PM Attachment (60 downloads)

Service typical of a bygone era! A letter from the President of the company urging you to try their products. A rarity nowadays.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4001187 - 08/23/10 12:22 PM Attachment (90 downloads)

Aaahhhh... The Sixties!!! This is the symbol that intrigues me. I have never seen it on one of their telescopes. Maybe they used it on binoculars.

Edited by greju (08/23/10 12:26 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4002162 - 08/23/10 08:08 PM

Excellent. So, BOL may actually be the only one that is not Japanese. I wonder how they got Royal, SYW, whoever to agree not to put their mark on anything???

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4022006 - 09/02/10 12:38 PM Attachment (93 downloads)

Very interesting thread. I haven't seen my Royal Astro 76 represented here, so I'll remedy that right now.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4143296 - 10/26/10 01:19 PM Attachment (69 downloads)

To keep this interesting thread alive I will add a Tasco with a Diamond K. I have no idea who Diamond K is.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4143303 - 10/26/10 01:23 PM Attachment (63 downloads)

And the cursive HOC. Hino or Horiguci Optical Company? In threads past they have both been mentioned.

Edited by greju (10/26/10 01:26 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Compressorguy]
      #4249488 - 12/14/10 11:45 PM

Just an Update on H.O.C from another thread. Hiroki in Japan posted..

"Hi
I got important information today.
Hitomi optical machine company was using the trademark H.O.C.
the company made telescopes of Hino optical and Eikow.
Hino doesn't register and use the mark.
He has another trademark, H.O or H.N.O.

I knew the Hiyoshi optics that make Vixen's binoculars used the trademark H.O.C.
http://hiyoshi-opt.com/
I asked top of Hiyoshi.
He taught me that the possibility of the Hitomi used the trademark H.O.C. to telescopes for export,1960-70s is very high. .
There is not the Hitomi optical machine company, now.

Maybe, I think the telescope of most H.O.C marks was made by Hitomi.
However, it cannot be confirmed.
In the doubt, it is a doubt only of one company that really used it. "


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4292708 - 01/05/11 12:02 AM

I think you hit the nail on the head Steve. We knew of rebranding such as Pentax and Jupiter but just like you mentioned i think it goes deeper. For example we are seeing brands for Eikow and Hino ( optical manufacturers/wholesalers, both?)thinking they made the scope but as you found out the trademark HOC was Hitomi optical machine company who was also a manufacturer. So did Hino and Eikow assemble the scopes, Hitomi HOC made the scope or at least parts of the scope. There is still alot of mystery.

Look at This cover page for Eikow the scope is so similar to a Swift 831, not exact but similar. Is it possible they had the same manufacturer using the same tooling? Yet different optics? Takahashi says they have been a manufacturer since the late 60's, why don't they include the early dates with Swift? Where they really Swift or just optical manufacturers that supplied Swift and later evolved into Takahashi?

These trademarks on this page are optical manufacturers only, did some of these manufacturers also machine their ota's? for example circle (t) they branded many of their parts with a(T), so my guess is they also made their own parts.

We shouldn't assume that all the trademarks that we see may be the optical manufacturer(we have all seen double trademarks). The second trademark could be the wholesalers or another manufacturer.

Look at Selsi, how many different trademarks do you see on their scopes at different times, sometimes they have HOC,APL,Astro.....yet some of us mistakenly assume the trademarks are Selsi.
Selsi Company, Inc. is an Importer/wholesaler home page


We see brand name scopes with the same trademarks but different parts, and sometimes we see the same brand scopes with identical parts yet different trademarks. I think that SOME wholesalers DISCLAIMER:Not all used a mix and match of manufacturers probably based on price or availability. And these brands are confusing the heck out of us 50 years later.

Lots of questions and mystery.

Good find Steve, i think you are correct.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Happy-Idiot]
      #4292786 - 01/05/11 12:55 AM Attachment (93 downloads)

On this Tasco there is absolutely no maker's mark. Rather unique in that respect along with being rather spartan. Hey I'm damned lucky the plate is still there and in good shape! Mike

Edited by mikey cee (01/05/11 08:30 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Happy-Idiot]
      #4299758 - 01/08/11 02:18 AM Attachment (84 downloads)

Hey Brian,

Yep. This list needs to be a guide. It amazing that we are talking about just 50 years ago and there is so little accurate information.

Also, just a quick update...member CUIR sent me some images of a Circle K eyepiece. Thank you! I say it is Kenko. Ha!


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4300225 - 01/08/11 10:37 AM

Back on the first page of the thread you identify a mark as one of the marks used by Astro Optical, and call it "Type 1". Later on that page, you show several scopes apparently bearing the Astro Optical "Type 1" mark, but designate them as "Royal". Are the marks subtly different, or am I missing something else, like Astro Optical later became/merged with/etc. Royal?

Thanks,

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4314374 - 01/14/11 03:02 PM

Quote:

Here is one Keith just posted.

Hiroki (Galakuma) in Japan believes this is also Takahashi. Further research is being done.




This one is quite similar to those marks on the original orthoscopics provided with my Vega. They've got the lazy 8 (infinity) symbol stamped on them, but no oval around it. Any ideas? Circa 1960.

Edited by bierbelly (01/14/11 03:03 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: bierbelly]
      #4637678 - 06/13/11 10:10 PM Attachment (78 downloads)

I'll add mine to the collection.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #4639316 - 06/14/11 08:50 PM

Quote:

I think I can finally confirm the BOL symbol even though I have to admit it is not what I thought it was. It had been suggested in earliar posts that BOL might have stood for Bushnell Optical Laboratory but knowing that David P. Bushnell sold telescopes that he "got of the shelf" as he put it I doubted that he would ever use the phrase "Bushnell Optical Laboratory" as he never actually manufactured anything. But as I later found out he did use "opticians" in his California shop to do warranty work so I am guessing that gave someone the idea and viola, Bushnell Optical Laboratory Inc.




I have to correct myself on this one after reading something from David Bushnell. In it he says "BOL was one of those manufacturers over there" referring to Japan and then he goes on to say he could not remember which one! We may be back to square one with BOL.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Preston Smith]
      #4639321 - 06/14/11 08:52 PM

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I just came across a new symbol that I don't remember seeing before. It is a diamond with "OTC" inside. Anyone know who that is?




Oriental Trading Company IIRC.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4789954 - 09/05/11 08:20 AM

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And the, Diamond Z-Zanzutsu (sp?)

Circle Z is better than most anything you can buy today, but IMHO inferior to Royal, Yamamoto, Eikow, etc.




Hey Steve,

The Diamond Z is the symbol for "Tanzutsu".


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: dawsonian2000]
      #4830630 - 09/27/11 02:55 PM Attachment (51 downloads)

Another Royal Astro to add.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #4871869 - 10/20/11 11:11 PM

has there been a discussion thread on the quality of these optics???
I'm about to rebuild an entire scope from a lens and focuser set.To be honest I don't have a lot of money to waste, so Id like some input on whether a Towa lens is worthy of doing this.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #4872323 - 10/21/11 10:01 AM Attachment (46 downloads)

I've posted this on other threads, but I'll add this to this collection of Astro Optical Ltd. badges.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #4942366 - 11/30/11 10:28 AM Attachment (43 downloads)

Maybe I missed this one KO I found it on Celestron branded Ortho and Kellner oculars from the late 70's.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: edsplace]
      #4944552 - 12/01/11 03:02 PM

I have a 25mm volcano top ortho with a "Made in Japan" sticker and "NS" printed on the side of the black top section. It came with a 1973 Cave I just purchased, but don't know if it originally came with it. Anyone know what NS means, and the eyepiece's source?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Aleko]
      #4944865 - 12/01/11 06:37 PM

Nihon Seiko

University Optics used to sell NS marked EPs.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Ducky62]
      #4944971 - 12/01/11 07:37 PM

Quote:

Nihon Seiko

University Optics used to sell NS marked EPs.




'Preciate the info! Thanks!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: edsplace]
      #4945194 - 12/01/11 10:17 PM

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Maybe I missed this one KO I found it on Celestron branded Ortho and Kellner oculars from the late 70's.




I think it's KD and I believe they also did optics for Vixen... but not sure if I got that one right. I have an old 60mm 910mm with this symbol on the focuser label. Awesome performer!


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #4986421 - 12/27/11 01:54 AM

I thought I would revive this thread as I picked up a couple .965 EP's that have a Circle W on them. Anyone seen this?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: eric_zeiner]
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I thought I would revive this thread as I picked up a couple .965 EP's that have a Circle W on them. Anyone seen this?




Thanks for the 'bump' Eric. Timely too...got some answers re eyepieces sitting on my desk!


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: bluestar]
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Cool.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: eric_zeiner]
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Here is another Bushnell product: 8x30 Broadfield monocular. Bushnell also sold a line of "Broadfield" with a wide fov. This is a mirrored small case epsilon (Greek) lookalike in an oval.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Littlegreenman]
      #5005076 - 01/06/12 11:16 PM Attachment (38 downloads)

Happy New year, everyone.
I have a super nice .965 zoom eyepiece 8-22mm that came with a "Scope" brand circle T 60mm/700mm

At first I thought the mark on the eyepiece was a circle K, but on closer examination, it's a thin circle CK or KC
here's a drawing of it:
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Vesper818]
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I just have to add my Vixen..

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      #5014986 - 01/13/12 07:49 AM

Hi Alberto,
Thanks for including the passed sticker. Can you tell me what the bottom half of it says?
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Hi Alberto,
Thanks for including the passed sticker. Can you tell me what the bottom half of it says?
Cheers,
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Blake,

I have the same sticker in the same location on my Celestron/Vixen Firstscope 80mm. The bottom of mine says MORIYA, I'm pretty sure.

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Certainly says HARA and here is a picture..

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I don't know if this might help tie the cursive and block version of HOC but some of the Mayflower scopes of same vintage have either one. Mine has cursive. Any identical labels with the block? I have no paperwork or other dating for mine except visual comparison. I have the whole scope, mount, tripod.

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      #5017316 - 01/14/12 02:58 PM

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Last week in an antique mall, I saw an E. Vion, Paris 3 draw hand held telescope in nice condition. Is anyone interested in this? It was for sale at $95. Complete inscription on the drawtube is E. Vion, Paris - - Power 40 times - - Double Achromatic - - Made in France. 4 lines of text. Looked like 35mm or 40mm objective. If you're interested I'll buy it and mail it to you. Let me know by PM.
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Hello Stan, please remember THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF JAPANESE SYMBOLS..


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      #5017444 - 01/14/12 04:21 PM

Sorry, meant for the E. Vion post to go in the Classic Telescope forum.
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      #5021270 - 01/16/12 05:40 PM

Post edit for TOS Issues/Off Topic.

Edited by BRisley (01/17/12 10:55 AM)


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      #5021610 - 01/16/12 08:25 PM

Hey Clint,

With a little know from the inside, that was a bit of an 'ouch' about Jon.

Onward to something productive I hope. Do you still have a Mayflower with the block letter version of HOC? Or do you know where a picture is of the label. Please correct me but I thought you posted suck a picture and I'm all thumbs when it comes to getting a search working here. It would be nice to pan between the pictures while the interim post are thin.

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Hey Clint,

With a little know from the inside, that was a bit of an 'ouch' about Jon.

Onward to something productive I hope. Do you still have a Mayflower with the block letter version of HOC? Or do you know where a picture is of the label. Please correct me but I thought you posted suck a picture and I'm all thumbs when it comes to getting a search working here. It would be nice to pan between the pictures while the interim post are thin.

Neil





http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=classics&Number=3023320&Forum


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5022110 - 01/17/12 03:21 AM

Hmmm, my Mayflower sure does look similar. I'll have to sepperate a string for Mayflower close ups. Mine is all smooth black finish but looks the same as clints. Slightly different clamp top for the OTA. Mine does have the tear drop finder stalk on the OTA. I'll have to check for writing under it.

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I have only kept a few of the 80mm scopes that are in mint condition the rest I gave to the kids at school, Or sold for $50 to new comers that really wanted a project scope.

I have kept the 1961 HOC Mayflower as it is like a time machine in more ways than one.It is Brand spankin new, has a nice image with a tough mount. 61 was a good year..
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If you look in the box you will note the paper wrapping is still on the solar plate and silicone bags floating around in the box. When you open the box, you kind of roll back on you heals for a second. The 1961 receipt and badly translated owners manual sealed the deal. Its a keeper...
Almost forgot the grease pencil signature, "One With Tears" under the finder and on the finder bracket. A Japanese friend came over and said 90% sure that it was a nick name like (aveman but more like cry baby.....


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      #5022479 - 01/17/12 10:25 AM

Oh my, I had writing under the finder stalk, in red!
Just numbers in this case, but matching on the tube and on the base of the stalk. Pictures to follow, I have an *BLEEP*-umption about the writings.

Clint, I want to open another thread on these Mayflowers. I'd like to get specific inputs on dating mine and try to swing some consecutive post pictures for the group. I'll be doing some copy and paste onto my comp. They are very similar and my poor brain doesn't do well taking a photo image across the room to look at something else and compare.
I think yours and mine are same era with close enough similarities to consider a tie between the two HOC symbols. Yours is BLOCK HOC and mine is the pretty one.

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      #5022489 - 01/17/12 10:28 AM

Oh my, I had writing under the finder stalk, in red!
Just numbers in this case, but matching on the tube and on the base of the stalk. Pictures to follow, I have an *BLEEP*-umption about the writings.

Clint, I want to open another thread on these Mayflowers. I'd like to get specific inputs on dating mine and try to swing some consecutive post pictures for the group. I'll be doing some copy and paste onto my comp. They are very similar and my poor brain doesn't do well taking a photo image across the room to look at something else and compare.
I think yours and mine are same era with close enough similarities to consider a tie between the two HOC symbols. Yours is BLOCK HOC and mine is the pretty one.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: apfever]
      #5023450 - 01/17/12 07:02 PM

Yours is obviously from the late 1990s and more than likely writen under the finder in Japanese is I like Rap!!!!!

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Yours is obviously from the late 1990s and more than likely writen under the finder in Japanese is I like Rap!!!!!




Touche.

Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English. Just the number 22. Twenty two twice on the finder and once on the OTA. You can see where one of the 22's transfered a little to the OTA from the finder, so the OTA has two twenty twos too.

I can count to two too.

Was yours written in red? I'm thinking these may have been labeled to be paired up due to the holes being drilled in slight varying positions and the OTAs having been drill matched to the individual stalks. It would be nice if everybody with a Mayflower 80mm, F15 would now de-stalk and report. Of course we would have to start a massive stalk swap to confirm the alignment need.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: apfever]
      #5024575 - 01/18/12 11:59 AM

It sure does look like a "teardrop" in Neils picture.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5024676 - 01/18/12 12:41 PM

Looks like what Royal Astro was noted for....fine attention to fine detail. Screw placement was just eye balled at best. Mike

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Looks like what Royal Astro was noted for....fine attention to fine detail. Screw placement was just eye balled at best. Mike




You don't think they may have used some type of jig?


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      #5024725 - 01/18/12 01:02 PM

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"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English."


Made in America. You jest! Sometimes the Japanese numerals can look surprisingly like their American counterpart.




Yeah, the Germanic Language tends to support a lot of international use through history, particularly the numbers.

Excellent picture, very nice.

Along the same lines of Japan, subs, and copying are the Japanese I-401 submarine aircraft carriers. One of these subs had 3 planes, camouflaged with a USAF paint job. This was an act in horrible disgreement with international acceptance and national respect that many in Japan deplored.

On to the scope, It would be nice to see how similar this one particular make of scope might be with sporting both forms of HOC. Mine and Clints seem to be pretty darn close.
All this would really do is tighten a possible link between the cursive and block forms. Exactly who HOC is would be just as much a mystery. sigh.

The idea of matching hole patterns was just an idea. At the time, I couldn't think of a more logical reason to match mark the stalks to an OTA.

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Edited by apfever (01/18/12 01:11 PM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5026023 - 01/19/12 12:49 AM

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"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English."


Made in America. You jest! Sometimes the Japanese numerals can look surprisingly like their American counterpart.




I don't understant why the uploading of a japanese submarine picture. To me is very clear that this forun is about telescopes and this one special is about Japanese Symbols on telescopes. Let's Keep It That Way..


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: ams]
      #5026187 - 01/19/12 06:09 AM

Your right, post was deleted. Please folks stay on topic.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: apfever]
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I was kidding Neil.... LOL
This old HOC is kinda of an enigma. The first thing I noticed about it was the weight in the lens end, really heavy. While cleaning the objective I noted the lens cell is machined from brass. This is the first and only Mayflower I have seen with a brass lens cell. Second thing was the paint job, fit and finish. Super well done on all its parts. Like I said Steve Miller and I were amazed by the way it looks. To me it screamed out that it may have been a sample. You know, Here is what we can do and we will make 10,000 of these for $39 each. It was purchased from an old Japanese lady who said her late husband was a re-seller / distributor of stuff from Japan and her house was filled with imported old stuff. He had the scope since it was new, 1961 on the paperwork. Third thing are its optics. They are impeccable with a perfect star test and real waxy looking objective.
So anyway it is one of the best Cheap Telescope I have seen to date, Blows my Tascos and Sears scopes right out of the water as far as fit and finish. It is a 80mm 1200. There has been a few Japanese people look at the marks. And the conciseness is it means tear drops. But a Japanese Teacher from UCLA who brought a telescope over for repairs said he was sure it was meant "one with tears" like crybaby??? I don't read or understand Japanese so, its all Greek to me.
I understand Cool scope, so this one will be the one I keep!!
I would say that even with your 22 mark it is just as likely an assemblers / inspectors number or signature. These were later replace with a sticker that I have seen a thousand times. But it may also be like you said the numbers that are on Unitron rings so they go together right??

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Quote:

"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English."


Made in America. You jest! Sometimes the Japanese numerals can look surprisingly like their American counterpart.




I don't understant why the uploading of a japanese submarine picture. To me is very clear that this forun is about telescopes and this one special is about Japanese Symbols on telescopes. Let's Keep It That Way..




"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English. Just the number 22."

I guess you did not notice the numerals on the sub. My post responded to Neils concerning "Japanese symbols" and how their symbols are just the same as ours concerning numerals. Even on classic scopes.

The picture that some seem to have taken offense to was not copyrighted and was only used as it was a good way to show Japanese and American numerals can be the same and was no way intended to glorify ANYTHING! If I was to use an American ship it would not quite have the same effect, would it? Geez!!

http://www.combinedfleet.com/Sensui-bokan.htm

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5027184 - 01/19/12 05:09 PM

I knew that, yeah I jest. The Japanese also have their own characters for numbers but the Germanic use is common world wide. Did some one claim Glorifying?

I checked my lens cell and it is normal aluminum. Wow Clint that scope of yours is a glorified unit.:)
Both marked in what seems the same red pen, same place, matched stalk and tube, just a glorified mark for that scope. I must admit that Mayflower 80mm F15 kicks butt over mine, up one side and down the other.
Now if every stalk finder on other vintage/antique Mayflower 80mm F15 with a HOC label of some kind would only be opened and checked......


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      #5027911 - 01/20/12 01:44 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English."


Made in America. You jest! Sometimes the Japanese numerals can look surprisingly like their American counterpart.




I don't understant why the uploading of a japanese submarine picture. To me is very clear that this forun is about telescopes and this one special is about Japanese Symbols on telescopes. Let's Keep It That Way..




"Nope, made in USA before they went to Japan I guess. Written in good ol' English. Just the number 22."

I guess you did not notice the numerals on the sub. My post responded to Neils concerning "Japanese symbols" and how their symbols are just the same as ours concerning numerals. Even on classic scopes.

The picture that some seem to have taken offense to was not copyrighted and was only used as it was a good way to show Japanese and American numerals can be the same and was no way intended to glorify ANYTHING! If I was to use an American ship it would not quite have the same effect, would it? Geez!!

http://www.combinedfleet.com/Sensui-bokan.htm




I believe that there are other ways more appropriate to show the differents if that was your intentions and sure it is a copyrighted is a watercolor painting by Takeshi Yuki. C'Mon Man! bring out one of your telescope and let's enjoy the night skies..


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      #5028631 - 01/20/12 01:11 PM

"I believe that there are other ways more appropriate to show the differents if that was your intentions and sure it is a copyrighted is a watercolor painting by Takeshi Yuki. C'Mon Man! bring out one of your telescope and let's enjoy the night skies.."

Yes, that was my only intention and I do occasionaly bring out one of my telescopes and enjoy the night skies. But that is not what this particular thread or my recent posts in it are about. This thread is called "The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols" and while my post that you deemed inappropriate might stray from the original intent of the OP it does directly respond to a previous post and certainly refers to Japanese symbols (numerals) and their relation to numerals in the English language. Something that was mentioned in a previous thread and also a topic that I do not believe had been dicussed before in this thread. I could not find a mention of copyrighted material on the site where I got the picture from and to just try to keep everyone happy ( ) I have now just included a link.

I am sorry if in some way you found the picture inappropriate. It was not posted with an intent to offend anyone. I do know that if I was harboring such animosity I probably would not peruse a forum thats content discusses with some regularity classic Japanese scopes and some of it's members, Heaven forbid ( is that allowed? ), actually own telescopes made in Japan!


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5030056 - 01/21/12 09:17 AM

Come on folks, lets keep this friendly. We're drifting off topic.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Rich (RLTYS)]
      #5030963 - 01/21/12 06:25 PM

More like steamed right past the island. But... This is a wonderful thread lots of information and speculation as it is kind of hard to find the right people, if they are still alive in Japan and just outright ask who made the optics, who made the castings, etc.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: ams]
      #5033753 - 01/23/12 10:55 AM

I guess the I-400 submarines are tangentially on topic. They certainly are evidence of the highly developed state of Japanese industry at the close of WWII. The captured I-400s were considered so advanced that they were scuttled after being examined to avoid the Soviets from gaining any of their technology. It would be interesting from the historical aspect to study the rise and course of Japanese optics industry from the ashes of the war. As I recall there were many restrictions imposed by the MacArthur administration on the products that could be produced. The extensive list of makers and assemblers of scopes may have resulted from the restrictions on producing optics that could have had any military use. Clearly this included gun sights and binoculars. Once control of the country was returned to the Japanese these restrictions were removed, but by that time a lot of wartime optical firms were producing astro and camera optics. I think it would make a great book or doctorial thesis, but as this generation of Japanese industrialists are slipping away and the industry is being scattered all over the rest of Asia now, so it would have to be done quickly.

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I just bought an Astro labelled 76.2 x 1250 circle K scope. With it came two double circle V eyepieces. What I found of interest is that they both have APL stickers on them.
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      #5045742 - 01/30/12 11:40 AM

Some of you may know that the history of classic Japanese telescopes is a topic that piques my interest. I have been researching this for a long time and unfortunately seem to only be right back where I started (pretty much anyways). I have finaly done what I thought about doing years ago but was hopeing I would not have to as someone would come up with a solution to my problem, that being translation. I have contacted a professional interpreter who actually lives in Japan and it seems they may be willing to work with me, at my expense of course. I have a few documents written in Japanese that I am hopeing will help clear up some confusion surrounding this topic. If anybody has any documentation written in Japanese that you think will help I will send it along with what I have already. Please P.M. Thanks

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      #5048471 - 01/31/12 05:56 PM

Wow Greju, you're certainly taking this to town! I hope and trust that this major effort will show some rewards; I look forward to the outcome.
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: EastAnglian]
      #5060146 - 02/07/12 11:30 AM Attachment (37 downloads)

Here is a friend's scope...Diamond Z..I saw the Diamond Diamond Z-Zanzutsu post from STEVE MM's Red TASCO 6/29/10.
He is wondering what year the scope was sold by Sears.


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Here a photo of the scope

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Pic of my 20mm Swift Kellner, showing circle T mark. All of my Swift eyepieces have this mark. I assumed it was Towa, but apparently that's an assumption, the same as the AVA or AMA mark being Takahashi, not a fact.

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Pic of my 20mm Swift Kellner, showing circle T mark. All of my Swift eyepieces have this mark. I assumed it was Towa, but apparently that's an assumption, the same as the AVA or AMA mark being Takahashi, not a fact.




I could be wrong but I do not believe that to be a Circle T logo. If it is it certainly is not like a majority of them.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: greju]
      #5066796 - 02/11/12 08:54 AM

Ah, you noticed that too Greju. I did wonder, as there appears to be a lot more space above the top bar than, as you say, the majority of them.
Any ideas on this one?
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      #5067141 - 02/11/12 12:15 PM

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I just bought an Astro labelled 76.2 x 1250 circle K scope. With it came two double circle V eyepieces. What I found of interest is that they both have APL stickers on them.
Max




Wow, there has been quite a lot of activity since I last stopped in here. Max, your Royal, Circle K scope with Double V APL eyepiece is a real stumper.

I started this post a couple years ago after about 10 years of research, and 6 years of postings by knowledgeable folks here on CN. It amazes me that now 2 years post, there are still more questions and less answers. Greg, I literally have hundreds of Japanese catalogs and documents that I have translated and reviewed. All tell a story, most get contradicted later About the only Japanese companies that seem to have some consistency in "the story" are Nippon Kogaku and Goto Kogaku. Other than that, it was a crazy time for manfacturers in Japan in the 1950's-1980's.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
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I just bought an Astro labelled 76.2 x 1250 circle K scope. With it came two double circle V eyepieces. What I found of interest is that they both have APL stickers on them.
Max




Wow, there has been quite a lot of activity since I last stopped in here. Max, your Royal, Circle K scope with Double V APL eyepiece is a real stumper.

I started this post a couple years ago after about 10 years of research, and 6 years of postings by knowledgeable folks here on CN. It amazes me that now 2 years post, there are still more questions and less answers. Greg, I literally have hundreds of Japanese catalogs and documents that I have translated and reviewed. All tell a story, most get contradicted later About the only Japanese companies that seem to have some consistency in "the story" are Nippon Kogaku and Goto Kogaku. Other than that, it was a crazy time for manfacturers in Japan in the 1950's-1980's.



Hi Steve,
Firstly, as it may be relevant, it isn't a Royal Astro, just an Astro, see here:
http://www.cloudynights.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=24971&password=&sort=7&thecat=3256
I'm intrigued by your research, do you intend to publish any of it? There's obviously a lot of interest, and even in just a crude cheap form, I'm sure it would be really appreciated.
Have you anything to add on the Swift/Takahashi saga? From what I've read here, it would appear that this rumour (?) started via an odd early connection? Is there any positive ID on the AVA/AMA mark?
Cheers
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: EastAnglian]
      #5067249 - 02/11/12 01:16 PM

I feel fairly confident AVA is Takahashi. There were several confirmations from sources during posts in 2008/2009. The main person who runs a website like CN in Japan also confirmed this on several occasions. Here is one post I found.. Swift There are more, just need to look around. Swift 831

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      #5067737 - 02/11/12 07:51 PM

Hi Steve,
I wish I read Japanese! The 'bought from friend' story needs a lot more detail to be convincing I feel; it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law, unless the cross-examination brought out much more detail. 'bought from Takahashi', what does that mean? I'm guessing it infers that Takahashi only sold their own make of scope; is this a fact? Can Mr Galakuma give more details I wonder? I find it extraordinary that the AVA/AMA whatever it is, mark, has not been positively identified. I'll do some more searching as you suggest, but I'm seriously beginning to think that this is a quagmire from which there's no escaping!
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: EastAnglian]
      #5067755 - 02/11/12 08:03 PM

I pretty much trust Hiroki Shirakawa (Galakuma) and symbols. If he is not sure, he states such. Here is a post where there seems to be no doubt.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbarchive/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1956786/page/16/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

This post also reminded me that I have ads from Sky & Telescope that say "Takahashi by Swift". Not the same telescope as the 831, but no doubt a relationship between the two. Swift AVA and "infinity" as Takahashi seem likely, if not 100%. There are tons of other unknowns


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5068405 - 02/12/12 08:16 AM

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I pretty much trust Hiroki Shirakawa (Galakuma) and symbols. If he is not sure, he states such. Here is a post where there seems to be no doubt.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbarchive/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1956786/page/16/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

This post also reminded me that I have ads from Sky & Telescope that say "Takahashi by Swift". Not the same telescope as the 831, but no doubt a relationship between the two. Swift AVA and "infinity" as Takahashi seem likely, if not 100%. There are tons of other unknowns



Hi Steve,
Firstly and importantly I'd like to say there is no question of me not trusting Galakuma. He is a very polite and enormously helpful man. But I've learnt through research of various kinds, that each and every piece of information must be double checked, or you can get into the realms of assumption.
Right, having said that, let me tell you what I now have in my mind, and ask you to correct me. A company called Swift started out making astronomical telescopes in 1961 (?) For some reason they called their scopes Takahashi (existing optical company they chose to use?) During the next six years they manufactured at least three models numbered 838, 839 and 831 and sold them principally to foreign markets. For some reason unknown, in 1967 Swifts optical makers Takahashi decided to go their own way. Is this when 831's ceased to be made? I have to say I find the TS 65mm (the first Tak) to be interesting for two reasons. Firstly the length of the dew shield, and secondly it's colour. It would be easy to see how Tak carried this area of design over initially.
This is all of course ignoring the AMA/AVA device. From what I've gatheres so far this is unlikely to ever be solved; but, never say never!
Cheers
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: EastAnglian]
      #5068807 - 02/12/12 12:49 PM

Hi Max,

The deciphering of the symbols is quite difficult. I just read some of the other recent threads on the 831 subject and I see lots of questioning, wanting proof, etc. Unfortunately, after years of research on this subject I think we will always be left with conjecture.

It reminds me of the story of an old watch I have. The watch has been passed down for many generations in my family. The story goes that the watch was owned by american outlaw Jesse James in about 1867. The watch is from 1867. CD Peacock in Chicago verified they sold the watch in about 1867. Is there proof it was owned by Jesse James? Nope, just stories.

I like to think I have a cool watch from Jesse James. Those with 831's like to think they have a cool Takahashi telescope. Both may be true

Steve

PS, no disrespect was meant on the Galakuma comment, I think we all trust eachother but also look for "proof"


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5068823 - 02/12/12 12:56 PM

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Hi Max,

PS, no disrespect was meant on the Galakuma comment, I think we all trust eachother but also look for "proof"



Hi Steve,
No disrespect taken. I do sometimes say stuff that I think afterwards I could have worded better!
Enjoy the watch, and in your secret moments.........
Cheers
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: EastAnglian]
      #5070366 - 02/13/12 12:24 PM

I have just bought a Towa 80mm f15, but its branded as "TOPIC PROFESSIONAL" It was Philj that confirmed it to be a Towa (circle T)i will be mounting it on a decent mount, selling the old mount and tripod along with the four 1" ep`s it came with,and fitting a crawmach 1 1/4 crayford

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      #5536442 - 11/23/12 11:22 PM Attachment (29 downloads)

Over the years, I think this thread has gone through the washer and come out a different color. Even so, I thought I would add a new eyepiece/symbol to the thread.

Anyone care to guess what telescope this BOL Japan eyepiece goes to???

Edited by Steve_M_M (11/24/12 12:45 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5536450 - 11/23/12 11:27 PM

What is the thread diameter?

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      #5536471 - 11/23/12 11:47 PM

30mm

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      #5536496 - 11/24/12 12:04 AM

How many elements?

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      #5536522 - 11/24/12 12:43 AM

5 elements in 3 groups-Erfle

I should have taken some pictures when I had it apart this evening.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5536546 - 11/24/12 01:16 AM

Q?

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      #5537080 - 11/24/12 11:24 AM

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Over the years, I think this thread has gone through the washer and come out a different color. Even so, I thought I would add a new eyepiece/symbol to the thread.

Anyone care to guess what telescope this BOL Japan eyepiece goes to???




Bushnell Optical Laboratories?

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      #5537233 - 11/24/12 01:19 PM

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Q?




Correct. It is the 80-160x eyepiece from a 1972 Questar 3.5. The 40-80x eyepiece is not marked BOL. I find it interesting that Questar was using the same BOL manufacturer as many of our classic scopes.


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      #5537938 - 11/24/12 10:11 PM

My late 60's Questar had that same EP I believe.

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      #5544417 - 11/28/12 07:19 PM

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Now, a couple impostors. First Circle W. Anyone know where this comes from?




I went through this entire thread, albeit rather quickly, and could not find an answer.....what is the Circle W?

Thanks,

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      #5545318 - 11/29/12 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Now, a couple impostors. First Circle W. Anyone know where this comes from?




I went through this entire thread, albeit rather quickly, and could not find an answer.....what is the Circle W?

Thanks,

Bob



Who knows...and to complicate matters, I have a circle "W" Jason that came with diamond "Z" eyepieces!


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: jimarshall]
      #5616270 - 01/10/13 09:06 PM

I just picked up a 1984 Swift 60/800 Aerolite and it has a KD on the underside of the focuser on the rack plate. I used to know this brand but have forgotten, any ideas? It has some Cartonesque features to it but it also has more plastic than I would have hoped for. It is a model 863.

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      #5616292 - 01/10/13 09:23 PM Attachment (26 downloads)

I believe that is Kenko. Is it like this KD?

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      #5616421 - 01/10/13 10:38 PM

I believe KD is Koyu.....KD labeled parts and eyepieces can be found on early Vixen products and Koyu was the predecessor company to Vixen.

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I just picked up a 1984 Swift 60/800 Aerolite and it has a KD on the underside of the focuser on the rack plate. I used to know this brand but have forgotten, any ideas?




I have a couple of .965 Celestron branded orthos with a similar KD logo.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5616475 - 01/10/13 11:18 PM

If you check out this post: Crescent "KD" on CN You'll see the same mark on a Crescent in my collection. I've been trying to track that down for almost a year.

Good to know that it may have some early Vixen ancestry.


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      #5616498 - 01/10/13 11:31 PM

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If you check out this post: Crescent "KD" on CN You'll see the same mark on a Crescent in my collection. I've been trying to track that down for almost a year.

Good to know that it may have some early Vixen ancestry.




And the silver sticker on yours is identical in shape and font color to Vixen labeled scopes. I also suspect it's not a D in what we call KD for a variety of reasons but some kind of stylized symbol around the K that we are interpreting as a D. However I still refer to it as KD in posts because everyone is familiar with that term. And I could be wrong....


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I had an old 60mm f=900mm refractor once with the KD logo on it. The whole scope was pretty much made of plastic, including the tube but the optics were excellent. I gifted it to a friend and he has been enjoying it ever since.

I could never figure out what an "Astoronomical" telescope was though.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: mgwhittle]
      #5616738 - 01/11/13 06:59 AM

Thanks folks for all of the great info, now only if the weather would clear...

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      #5616835 - 01/11/13 08:37 AM

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I had an old 60mm f=900mm refractor once with the KD logo on it. The whole scope was pretty much made of plastic, including the tube but the optics were excellent. I gifted it to a friend and he has been enjoying it ever since.

I could never figure out what an "Astoronomical" telescope was though.




You might find this catalog interesting:

http://yumarin7.sakura.ne.jp/retrokan/Kanko1.pdf

The first page: Kanko Astoronomical Telescope - Kansai Optical Co. LTD.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: CharlieB]
      #5617909 - 01/11/13 08:02 PM

Hmmm....that woud suggest that Kanko is related to the KD symbol.

Funny that they blocked out the spelling error.


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      #5623963 - 01/15/13 08:17 AM Attachment (19 downloads)

I found an old photo of a Celestron .965 accessory kit that came with a C90 I once purchased. It contained an 18mm Kellner (KD), diagonal, and 2x Barlow.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #5624093 - 01/15/13 09:56 AM

KD aiichi.opt [http://www.daiichikogaku.ecnet.jp/[/url]
Diamond Z:UR.opt
Circle T :TOWA.opt (telescope)/Tani.opt (eyepiece)
Circle K :TOWA.opt
Circle 3T(Swift .etc.):TOHO ?
Circle Y :Maluya lens ??
APL :Atom (before BORG)?
HOC/apfever:Hiyoshi [url=http://hiyoshi-opt.com/]
H.O.C :Hifumi Opt? Hino.opt=Mizar? ????

?mark is I don't have confidence.

Edited by galakuma (01/15/13 10:11 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
      #5624235 - 01/15/13 11:35 AM

To the powers that be. This list should become a sticky.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
      #5624323 - 01/15/13 12:39 PM

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KD aiichi.opt [http://www.daiichikogaku.ecnet.jp/[/url]
Diamond Z:UR.opt
Circle T :TOWA.opt (telescope)/Tani.opt (eyepiece)
Circle K :TOWA.opt
Circle 3T(Swift .etc.):TOHO ?
Circle Y :Maluya lens ??
APL :Atom (before BORG)?
HOC/apfever:Hiyoshi [url=http://hiyoshi-opt.com/]
H.O.C :Hifumi Opt? Hino.opt=Mizar? ????
opt
?mark is I don't have confidence.


That Tani.opt is the fellow who has retired the volcano tops from production after 50+ years. Mike

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #5624655 - 01/15/13 03:34 PM


I could never figure out what an "Astoronomical" telescope was though.






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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Napersky]
      #5625540 - 01/16/13 01:09 AM Attachment (32 downloads)

here is the label from my Prinz Optics 550 it has a K in the circle

Edited by seafury (01/16/13 01:12 AM)


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      #5625706 - 01/16/13 07:12 AM Attachment (33 downloads)

I got the list of telescope manufacturing companies and syimbols 1981s.
I show the initial "T".

Edited by galakuma (01/16/13 07:16 AM)


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
      #5626010 - 01/16/13 11:10 AM

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I got the list of telescope manufacturing companies and syimbols 1981s.
I show the initial "T".




So circle K is Towa?

Galakuma, at the top there is one that has a symbol of a diamond with BOL inside it. Can you tell us who that manufacturer is?


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: mgwhittle]
      #5627533 - 01/17/13 07:21 AM

Hi Mark.
The symbol of a diamond with BOL inside it was made by The Oriental Trading Co., Ltd, Japanese/TOYO Jitsugyo.

I'm interested in this website.
http://www.kai-japan.com/bush.html

Circle K was Towa, I think so...perhaps.

Other manufactures used same simbol.
Hifumi Optical Co.,Ltd http://www8.ocn.ne.jp/~hifumi/
Okugawa machinery Co.,Ltd
Both were telescope-makers.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
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Has any one got any imformation on this scope, i have just got? its a 76.2mm f1250, identical to a prinz 660 but has the Tasco 10TE mount and box, its marked up ST Astronomical, circle K optics

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: nightfisher]
      #5632765 - 01/20/13 09:12 AM

Hi Jules. According to galakuma in the post above yours, circle K is Towa manufacturer. ST is a new one for me. "Super Telescope" maybe.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #5632769 - 01/20/13 09:14 AM

Thanks for the quick reply, im hoping for more information on the ST brand

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
      #5632987 - 01/20/13 11:07 AM

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I got the list of telescope manufacturing companies and syimbols 1981s.
I show the initial "T".




This is a very interesting list. I've seen a number of these symbols on astronomy gear. Perhaps you can help...

I am looking for the company associated with "Japan KD" where the "KD" might be a K and a sideways "U". This symbol is NOT the same as the Circle-K symbol. It was used on Celestron Orthos from the late 1970s and early 1980's.

I am also seeking original documentation to prove (or disprove) that the Circle Dash symbol was used by Carton. This symbol was also found on Celestron Orthos and Kellners from the same era.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: seafury]
      #5632993 - 01/20/13 11:11 AM

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here is the label from my Prinz Optics 550 it has a K in the circle




Hi seafury,

If I understand my JTII stickers correctly, the gold oval version with blue and red lettering was used in the mid 1960's. Do you know if this is when your scope was originally offered for sale?

Thanks!
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Grava T]
      #5633089 - 01/20/13 12:15 PM

How about ST= Silly Telescope?

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
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KD aiichi.opt [http://www.daiichikogaku.ecnet.jp/[/url]





Many thanks! I've been looking for this information for a long time. I can confirm that the company logo is the same as the mark on my Celestron Orthos

Thanks, again!!!
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: JamesE]
      #5633937 - 01/20/13 09:14 PM

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JamesE,

Did you notice that "Celestron" is misspelled on your 10X70 finder? That's a real conversation piece! I wonder how many of this particular finder were produced with this misspelling?




Hey Lew,

Yep, I did notice it when I first got it. I thought it was cool. Glad you like it too.

My take, is that this was a first run series for Celestron and APL. Now I thought I read that APL eventually got taken over by Vixen. Is that correct?

Cheers,




Hi James,

I was combing the old threads and noticed that your finder has a JTII inspection sticker on it. Can you tell me the number on the sticker and perhaps when the finder was purchased new?

Thanks!
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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Blake Andrews]
      #5634101 - 01/20/13 10:57 PM

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KD aiichi.opt [http://www.daiichikogaku.ecnet.jp/[/url]





Many thanks! I've been looking for this information for a long time. I can confirm that the company logo is the same as the mark on my Celestron Orthos

Thanks, again!!!
Blake





I have to say, I'm quite surprised this small company supplied so many eyepieces, telescopes and accessories to Celestron, Vixen, Tasco and others.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Steve_M_M]
      #5645903 - 01/27/13 11:47 AM

My newly-purchased Tasco 7te-5 sports the symbol shown several times on the first page of this thread. With the default setting of 25 posts per page, this symbol is shown on both the second picture from the top of that page (labeled "Type 1"), and the second through fifth pictures from the bottom. It's a circle with crosshairs centered in it, with the ends of the crosshairs extending outside of the circle, and with two capital letters "G" (or similarly shaped squiggles) set mirror image to the left and right of the upright crosshair.

The caption for the image at the top of the page describes this as the symbol for "Astro Optical," but at the bottom of the page, the same symbol (or one awfully close) is said to represent "Royal Astro." There is some slight variation in the re-curved tails of the "Gs" in these pictures, but it appears to be more a problem of consistently engraving something so small, than of creating deliberately almost-not-different trademarks.

What is the difference between these manufacturers? Is it one company presented occasionally by nickname instead of full name, or did one evolve into the other? I could imagine, for example, Astro Optical being sold, with the new corporate name becoming "Royal Astro," so as to remain familiar to customers.

On a side note, I know a new scope requires a thread of its own with lots of pictures, but I can offer only an I.O.U. for now. It is in pretty good shape, but the mount is frozen nearly solid with old grease; so, for starters, it will need a thorough refurbishing.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: Joe Cepleur]
      #5888723 - 05/28/13 11:19 AM

I wonder if we should make this a sticky?
Did I say that correctly meaning put it where it can easily be found for reference.

How does everyone feel about making it sticky.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: actionhac]
      #5888772 - 05/28/13 11:45 AM

I agree! I have this thread on my favorites list. So Moderators please make this thread a sticky!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: ngc2289]
      #5888779 - 05/28/13 11:46 AM

It's already linked in the "Useful Classic Scopes Links" Sticky.

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      #5888791 - 05/28/13 11:55 AM

Oh gosh I see it, dummy me!

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: actionhac]
      #5888833 - 05/28/13 12:07 PM

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Oh gosh I see it, dummy me!




I don't know about "dummy" -- we don't go to that sticky that often after we've read it a few times. I only knew the hallmarks link was there because I went looking for it the other day to identify the finder on my "new" orange C8.


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      #5980923 - 07/20/13 05:57 AM



Looks like a W in a triangle but with a line on top.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: galakuma]
      #5982861 - 07/21/13 11:48 AM Attachment (12 downloads)

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I got the list of telescope manufacturing companies and syimbols 1981s.
I show the initial "T".



I thought the Circle-Y was Eikow? This suggests Towa.


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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: hottr6]
      #6055961 - 08/31/13 12:17 PM

This seems to verify the APL Vixen link.



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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: checksum]
      #6055968 - 08/31/13 12:21 PM

Possibly Kenko (KD) and Carton (-)?



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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: checksum]
      #6056069 - 08/31/13 01:25 PM

Not really a symbol but the label on my carton looks as though it once had a sticker after the "made in japan"



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      #6303075 - 01/09/14 09:35 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

Thought I'd add in a few since this post helped me identify my scopes mark. This is a Jason bought in the mid 80's

~ Diamond Z-Zanzutsu ~

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Also, a few eyepieces and a sun filter that came with the Jason. Unfortunately the marking on the 4.5mm washed off one time I was cleaning the eyepiece, (Watch out for isopropyl wipes!).

Edited by Dark_Falconer (01/10/14 12:09 AM)


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      #6303092 - 01/09/14 09:43 PM

Anybody figure out what the circle W brand stands for yet?
and don't say Wang,, either .


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      #6303163 - 01/09/14 10:22 PM

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Anybody figure out what the circle W brand stands for yet?
and don't say Wang,, either .


Wong?

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      #6303169 - 01/09/14 10:27 PM

Good one , Mike

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      #6303222 - 01/09/14 11:03 PM

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Anybody figure out what the circle W brand stands for yet?
and don't say Wang,, either .


Wong?




Something wong with that logic


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Not really a symbol but the label on my carton looks as though it once had a sticker after the "made in japan"






A bit late........your Carton is a telescope made by Dai Ichi Kogaku.I have a 80/900mm Bynostar with the same label.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: javago]
      #6303473 - 01/10/14 03:50 AM

Almost the same label..........Dai Ichi Kogaku also made the Vixen New Icarus telescope.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: javago]
      #6329794 - 01/23/14 02:48 AM

Well the focuser and the lens cell is identical on vixen Icarus, so good detective work

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      #6330079 - 01/23/14 08:31 AM

could be w are two "v" meaning very vine..ha ha my bad..sorry

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I'm still looking for info on this label. Clearly marked Astro Tokyo (Astro Optical), but the only Daiwa remotely related to things optical that I've been able to find is the company that made tripods and was bought out by Kenko. I've certainly seen the Astro Tokyo logo before, but never with a trade mark surrounding it. Also, does anyone know what the Japanese characters that are just before "TYPE" mean? Any help is appreciated.

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: CharlieB]
      #6330261 - 01/23/14 10:20 AM Attachment (9 downloads)

Is this symbol Astro Optical type 1 ?

This is from a CABLE refractor 60mm / 800mm

The sticker is so faded I can barely make it out.


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Here is another closeup

Not sure but it looks similar to the Astro Optical Symbols (type 1) shown on the second post (page 1) on this thread...


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      #6330331 - 01/23/14 11:01 AM

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Is this symbol Astro Optical type 1 ?

This is from a CABLE refractor 60mm / 800mm

The sticker is so faded I can barely make it out.




I played around with the contrast for a better view and although it resembles Astro Optical, I don't think it is. The crosshairs are similar, but the short lines emanating from the center at 45 degrees are straight, not like the shapes from an AO.


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      #6330556 - 01/23/14 12:26 PM

Thanks Charlie.

Looks like another mystery label.


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      #6330697 - 01/23/14 01:29 PM

The closest other Japanese optical supplier with that kind of logo was Shimadzu Seisakusho which had just a circle with crosshairs. But then, your scope logo may be from some US importer. Who knows?

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Any idea who makes this?









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Yes

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Re: The Comprehensive List of Japanese Symbols new [Re: strdst]
      #6334773 - 01/25/14 12:52 PM

Just sold on ebay for £80 an hour ago, although it did not look as nice as your amazing shinny example

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      #6422045 - 03/22/14 11:45 AM

There has been some question as to the manufacturer of FOCAL optics. I have one with Diamond Z indicated.

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Myself and others have been wondering who was the manufacturer of the Sears 6344 76mm/1200mm refractor. I thought I would have found a symbol on the focuser label, but I did not. Then I flipped the focuser around and discovered that there was a "Diamond sYw" symbol pressed into the focuser's pinion knob tension adjustment plate. Yamamoto for sure! Check out the photo.

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      #6598905 - 06/24/14 09:27 AM

So far, all of the 6344s in the Registry are SYW. If y'all know of any by other makers, please let me know.

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      #6599481 - 06/24/14 02:37 PM

Hey Bomber Bob,

Chances are great that there may not be any other manufactures of Sears 6344. But, if I hear of any, I will be sure to report back.

Thought I would post a photo, since I did not find one.

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