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tim53
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: grendel]
      #5575675 - 12/17/12 12:56 PM

It might be a Browning, but it more closely resembles the Calvers I've seen pics of online.

I suspect the optics aren't there and new mirrors would be needed. But there is so MUCH there that it would be a flying shame not to restore it.

-Tim.


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Masvingo
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: tim53]
      #5575702 - 12/17/12 01:12 PM

I've sent an email to a local astronomy society, the Airdrie Astronomical Society, to see if they can shed any light on the mystery.

James


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Dan /schechter
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5575771 - 12/17/12 01:58 PM Attachment (36 downloads)

Bart Freid, an ATS member noticed that you can enlarge the Panpramio image if you click on it. He and John Briggs feel that the eyepiece end is pointing to the ground. I agree with John and Bart. The tube is pointing down. Also notice that there is much more tube length beyond the rings on the end pointing down. It is that way to balance the end that contains the mirror which weighs a lot more than the end that has the focuser unless some heavy instrument is attached which is why a counterweight mechanism is found on the mirror end. I have a Brashear 8" that is arranged the same.

It does not look like the mirror is present. Please notice you can see blue sky at the top of the notch. Even though the mirror is missing, this would be a wonderful labor of love for someone. Lets hope it gets restored.

Cheers,
Dan

Edited by Dan /schechter (12/17/12 02:01 PM)


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oldscope
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5575782 - 12/17/12 02:11 PM

Another group that might shed some light on this telescope is the B.A.A. or perhaps also the R.A.S. Either may have a member-at-large in the vicinity. FWIW, I also think that it is a Calver telescope. One has to wonder what happened to the observatory that probably surrounded it. It's hard to believe that someone simply hauled it out to a field and left it. More likely the structure was removed from around it.

Bart


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dgreyson
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: oldscope]
      #5575842 - 12/17/12 02:48 PM

Removed or just rotted away, once the roof goes, a wooden structure disintegrates rapidly. then the Trees grow up in no time.
We once had a perfectly clear horse lot with a stable shed next to my mothers house and its solid trees now all on it's own in just 30 years of abandonment. No trace of the stable, just a forest. Of course, in South Carolina we have a humid and warm sub tropical climate, the rate of disintegration ought to be much slower in cold Scotland.


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MessiToM
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5575854 - 12/17/12 02:54 PM

Iam looking forward to watching this un-fold

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Joe Cepleur
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: oldscope]
      #5575887 - 12/17/12 03:24 PM

Quote:

More likely the structure was removed from around it.




Would a scope of that era have been mounted on a concrete base? It seems to be sitting flush on the dirt.


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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Joe Cepleur]
      #5575907 - 12/17/12 03:40 PM

Quote:

Would a scope of that era have been mounted on a concrete base? It seems to be sitting flush on the dirt.




Concrete was certainly invented at that time and in widespread use.

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The story is going well so far. I am amazed by the activity and energy some folks are putting into this. There's hope for it, I think.


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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dgreyson
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5575926 - 12/17/12 03:53 PM

I looked at the second photo of it, It's at the bottom of a hill, and does seem to be on dirt. More logical to be on top of the hill or at least on an area of level flat ground, so not likely to be in its original place I'm guessing.

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oldscope
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Joe Cepleur]
      #5575931 - 12/17/12 03:56 PM

The second image that Justin posted sure makes it look like it is just sitting on a slight hillside, in the soil. Perhaps it was simply a glorified sheep-spotting scope?

Bart


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MessiToM
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: oldscope]
      #5575933 - 12/17/12 03:58 PM

faint fuzzy sheep, lol

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Joe Cepleur
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #5576076 - 12/17/12 05:17 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Would a scope of that era have been mounted on a concrete base? It seems to be sitting flush on the dirt.




Concrete was certainly invented at that time and in widespread use.




Sorry if I've been so polite as to have been vague. I'm doubting the notion that the building fell down around the scope. An observatory would have had a masonry pier or floor raised above the ground. Here, we see the scope on the ground, so I think it was dragged to this location.


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dgreyson
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Joe Cepleur]
      #5576099 - 12/17/12 05:35 PM

That seems a reasonable deduction. Is this an eight inch or a ten inch instrument? Seems too thin to be a 12 inch, or that would be a 305mm mirror, for those of us who do not use the British system of measurement, but prefer the french one.

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tim53
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5576142 - 12/17/12 06:04 PM

My guess would be that it's either a 6 or an 8", possibly a 10, but I think that's less likely.

If the mirror end is up, my confusion over the way the tube is mounted is clarified.

-Tim.


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JustinO
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: oldscope]
      #5576706 - 12/18/12 01:12 AM

I have done some historical research...
There was a Scottish giant, Benandonner, who evidently enjoyed terrorizing ant hills when he was a lad...


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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: MessiToM]
      #5577248 - 12/18/12 12:40 PM

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faint fuzzy sheep, lol




Well ... they are somewhat elliptical. Some are quite compact ... the younger ones I think.


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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: tim53]
      #5577317 - 12/18/12 01:29 PM

Quote:

It might be a Browning, but it more closely resembles the Calvers I've seen pics of online.



Calver


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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5578853 - 12/19/12 12:46 PM

Have had the following reply from the Airdrie Astronomical Society:

Quote:

Thanks for your email. It's very interesting.

I have asked around and one of our former curators is doing a wee bit of research into the story. As soon as I hear back I will let you know what we find out.

Thanks for letting us know about it.




James


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tim53
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5578875 - 12/19/12 01:00 PM

Excellent!

Looking at google maps, you can almost get a street view of where the s ope is, but not quite, due to the hill rolling down in that direction. Also, if the location is accurate, the scope is pretty near a house. Makes me wonder if the house replaced the observatory that housed the scope?

Tim


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Masvingo
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Re: ALERT! Old abandone scope found new [Re: tim53]
      #5578917 - 12/19/12 01:25 PM

Could be, what has surprised me was that so far Googling has not turned up any historical references to an observatory or local aristocrats (I would get no one else would have the ability to afford such an instrument in its day) with an interest in Astronomy.

Haven't heard anything from the local historical society yet!

James


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