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Datapanic
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This Forum Needs more Reflector!
      #5789295 - 04/09/13 10:50 PM Attachment (27 downloads)

Just sayin'!

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5789328 - 04/09/13 11:05 PM

How far will it shoot a pumpkin

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5789347 - 04/09/13 11:18 PM

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How far will it shoot a pumpkin




Farther than you can slug one with your refractor!


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: turk123]
      #5789359 - 04/09/13 11:29 PM

Theoretically, it should be able to resolve a pumpkin about 500 miles away.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5789372 - 04/09/13 11:38 PM Attachment (14 downloads)

Mirrors!

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5789395 - 04/09/13 11:59 PM

Indeed!

My "grab and go" Cave:





-Tim.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5789419 - 04/10/13 12:21 AM Attachment (20 downloads)

Yea, everyone should have a reflector or two.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: gelkin]
      #5789435 - 04/10/13 12:47 AM Attachment (19 downloads)

Edmund Scientific 2-1/2"f10 mirror set.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5789602 - 04/10/13 04:28 AM Attachment (15 downloads)

cool factor

Edited by mustgobigger (04/10/13 04:31 AM)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: mustgobigger]
      #5789623 - 04/10/13 05:44 AM Attachment (13 downloads)

I agree .
Brian.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5789677 - 04/10/13 07:10 AM Attachment (17 downloads)

One more time - Optica b/c(Royal Astro) 100/1000 LN4-E with motor drive. Great scope.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: CharlieB]
      #5789682 - 04/10/13 07:18 AM Attachment (15 downloads)

Here's another...

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: CharlieB]
      #5789832 - 04/10/13 09:20 AM

That Optica is awesome.

How about a Cometron CO114 (Vixen) and 4.5" Lafayette (Towa)?


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: hottr6]
      #5789835 - 04/10/13 09:24 AM Attachment (14 downloads)

OK Fine you want more reflectors

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5789854 - 04/10/13 09:38 AM

Wow, just think if Unitron had made reflectors...

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: bierbelly]
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Wow, just think if Unitron had made reflectors...




They would have been horribly overpriced and had dim, narrow fields of view!


The elegant beauty below: easy to set up, enough aperture to satisfy, plus grace, style, and that certain panache; this one's got 'em.


They see me observin'; they hatin'...



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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: bierbelly]
      #5789924 - 04/10/13 10:17 AM

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Wow, just think if Unitron had made reflectors...




You'd have needed a ladder truck to get to the eyepiece!


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5789926 - 04/10/13 10:19 AM

At least you would not have needed an engine lift to get it on the mount

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: bierbelly]
      #5789941 - 04/10/13 10:30 AM

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Wow, just think if Unitron had made reflectors...




They did! Unitron reflector thread

-Tim.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5789959 - 04/10/13 10:39 AM

Yeah, only thing missing is the diffraction spikes

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Dave M]
      #5789972 - 04/10/13 10:42 AM

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Yeah, only thing missing is the diffraction spikes




...and any semblance of aesthetics.

Just kidding...


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5789982 - 04/10/13 10:46 AM

You guys all wish you had a combination refractor reflector.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5789985 - 04/10/13 10:47 AM

Speaking of reaching the eyepiece, I've never been uncomfortable observing with this puppy:


8" f/6 Springfield, 1981 Merit Award winner, RTMC

-Tim.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Dave M]
      #5789995 - 04/10/13 10:50 AM Attachment (8 downloads)

My reflector, Meade 16" f4.5 Starfinder , and a favorite of Johann`s

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5790029 - 04/10/13 11:04 AM

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Edmund Scientific 2-1/2"f10 mirror set.


Hey Robert I have the "same" set as you do there. Except mine is a 3" mirror. I'm going to be using it on my 3" F/10 refurbish. Mike

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790047 - 04/10/13 11:13 AM

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You guys all wish you had a combination refractor reflector.




We call those Viewfinders and Guidescopes


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5790113 - 04/10/13 11:41 AM

Is that an oil pumping rig Tim

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790116 - 04/10/13 11:44 AM

I have only a few reflectors. there is not much room beacuse all the refractors require so much room

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790118 - 04/10/13 11:45 AM Attachment (8 downloads)

'I think I have a flat tire

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790165 - 04/10/13 12:10 PM

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You guys all wish you had a combination refractor reflector.




What you guys call "objectives" we call "focal reducers"!

Edited by tim53 (04/10/13 12:11 PM)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5790168 - 04/10/13 12:11 PM

unitron DID make Reflectors.
ill Post a pic tonight.
its in my Dealers Book.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5790199 - 04/10/13 12:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Wow, just think if Unitron had made reflectors...




They did! Unitron reflector thread

-Tim.




Wow, undoubtedly somewhat more rare than their refractors!


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This Forum Needs more Reflector! & more orange! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790271 - 04/10/13 12:58 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

Quote:

You guys all wish you had a combination refractor reflector.




But some of us already do!


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! & more orange! new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5790275 - 04/10/13 12:59 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

or alternatively.........

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! & more orange! new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5790348 - 04/10/13 01:28 PM Attachment (7 downloads)

Do cassegrains count here???

Peter B.

PS: that is NOT me!


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5790378 - 04/10/13 01:45 PM

What this forum REALLY needs is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: rdandrea]
      #5790473 - 04/10/13 02:32 PM

This is all so confusing
Seems like there is nothing that escapes a mirror


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: rdandrea]
      #5790476 - 04/10/13 02:35 PM

This is all so cofusing
Seems like there in nothing that escapes a mirror


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790480 - 04/10/13 02:39 PM

Hiccups Johann

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Dave M]
      #5790546 - 04/10/13 03:20 PM

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Hiccups Johann




Perhaps he's reflecting on what we are talking about


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5790587 - 04/10/13 03:47 PM

what are you guys talking about

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790695 - 04/10/13 04:46 PM Attachment (12 downloads)

And here is the "model T" of telescopes.
"You can have it in any color as long as it's white"
The fabulous Criterion Dynascope RV-6. I've been observing with this marvel lately:


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5790712 - 04/10/13 04:58 PM Attachment (13 downloads)

A classic guy (me) with a classic telescope from the days of yore:

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5790719 - 04/10/13 05:00 PM

can you tell the age of the RV6 from the size of the setting circles?

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
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I don't know much about the RV-6 and the production changes. I've owned the one pictured earlier for years but just never got around to using it until recently. I also recently bought this legless red painted job and I was going to borrow the legs from my old RV-6 when I thought to my self I never seriously tried out the RV-6. The RV-6 is all new to me.
The last ones have a longer Dec. housing and Philips head screws.
I always thought the mirrors were UPCO but Criterion did their own.
The red paint job I think is going to stay. Its an OK spray job and with a little rubbing compound should look pretty good.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5790799 - 04/10/13 05:25 PM

I really like the xmas tre stand.that is a classic by itself. first Red RV6 I have ever seen. Maybe for Xmas you can hang some decorations from it.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5790810 - 04/10/13 05:27 PM

Love all that open country behind the scope. Wish that was my view.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5791015 - 04/10/13 06:34 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

unitron reflectors

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: mustgobigger]
      #5791029 - 04/10/13 06:39 PM

That had to be the chinese days when they were attempting a comeback.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5791031 - 04/10/13 06:40 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

specs 1983 dealers book

Edited by mustgobigger (04/10/13 06:41 PM)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: mustgobigger]
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Not a fan of GEM's, alt/az agrees with me.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5791249 - 04/10/13 08:28 PM

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can you tell the age of the RV6 from the size of the setting circles?



Nope. As far as I know from the 60's to end of production the setting circles remained the same.
Bill


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Bonco]
      #5791266 - 04/10/13 08:39 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

Here's an Edmund Palomar Junior - still gives great views at f/10!

Edited by John Higbee (04/10/13 08:41 PM)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5791379 - 04/10/13 09:56 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

a few from my collection....a Criterion RV6

Steve
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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: astro140]
      #5791382 - 04/10/13 09:57 PM Attachment (12 downloads)

a 10-inch Cave

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: astro140]
      #5791386 - 04/10/13 09:58 PM Attachment (5 downloads)

an eight-inch Criterion Dynascope

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: astro140]
      #5791609 - 04/11/13 12:04 AM Attachment (11 downloads)

Here are my two to add to the list...
Add in a blue one and I'd be patriotic!


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: The Planetman]
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Add in a blue one and I'd be patriotic!




Where I am you already are!


It looks somewhat inadequate given some of the other newts posted but I think my 11TE-5 counts! And hey... the Intes Micro M606 is a 3rd hand scope and such an ODD optical setup that it has to kinda-sorta have some potential-classic points....


(Sorry about the refractor that snuck in.... they always seem to want to be the center of attention!)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Falcon-]
      #5791689 - 04/11/13 01:15 AM Attachment (8 downloads)

Here's a Blue One!

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5791692 - 04/11/13 01:16 AM Attachment (10 downloads)

And a Purple One at Stellar Visions!

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5791766 - 04/11/13 04:21 AM

that mount sure is interesting Dan.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5791886 - 04/11/13 08:18 AM

Dan

Have you got any background to the Purple One - the mount looks quite unusual?

James


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
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I made this 10" F8 Newtonian from an Edmund mirror grinding kit and University Optics components forty years ago when it became clear I'd never own a ready-made Cave scope, so it doesn’t really count as a classic telescope. But it is a reflector sure enough. It's been on a wide variety of mounts over the years but I like this Dobsonian mount I made best. It has a felt lined eyepiece box with a lid to keep the dew off on the side, and setting circles, which I use a goto-ETX80 to reference coordinates with for finding faint stuff.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5793424 - 04/11/13 10:25 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

This is the second Sonotube the optics have been in, They are / were made here in South Carolina so it's the genuine thick stuff not the thin Lowes ersatz

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5793439 - 04/11/13 10:33 PM Attachment (7 downloads)

This would have been a much better photo if I'd have taken the time to clear out the cobwebs. I cap the tube but Its been awhile as I was fixing up a Cave I bought.

Even with a Flash the baffles have suppressed the light scatter before it reaches the mirror. Mathematically speaking, I could have used far fewer baffles but I must have gotten into the glue again. Though it's not so impressive looking it has excellent optics and Jupiter and it's moons looked awesome in it the other night.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5793452 - 04/11/13 10:42 PM Attachment (8 downloads)

Detail of the Eyepiece box, Dirty! All the pine tree pollen clings so badly.

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: dgreyson]
      #5793458 - 04/11/13 10:47 PM

Glue will set you free

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5793494 - 04/11/13 11:05 PM

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How far will it shoot a pumpkin




Those were the good old days.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Masvingo]
      #5793505 - 04/11/13 11:11 PM

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Dan

Have you got any background to the Purple One - the mount looks quite unusual?

James




No info at all except Frank said it was commercially made.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5793549 - 04/11/13 11:32 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

Here's a few:



The Bausch and Lomb RV-5+ and the Criterion RV-6



The RV-5+ was manufactured by Mizar, at least it sits on a Mizar mount. Below is a C 4.5 along with something even rarer than a Newtonian in the CN Classics forum, rain in San Diego..

Edited by Jon Isaacs (04/11/13 11:33 PM)


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5793554 - 04/11/13 11:35 PM

Quote:

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Dan

Have you got any background to the Purple One - the mount looks quite unusual?

James




No info at all except Frank said it was commercially made.




Parts of it remind me of the Lomo Astele 8", but I think that was a Mak?

-Tim.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5793653 - 04/12/13 12:56 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

I keep forgetting to try out this mirror:

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      #5793660 - 04/12/13 01:02 AM Attachment (6 downloads)

Scribed ESCO, it may be Edmund Scientific Corp.

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      #5793691 - 04/12/13 01:32 AM Attachment (7 downloads)

Its probably f12 or f12.5 (72" or 75) and I can adjust the tube length of my Superplanetary in the "A" area.
The f13 ALLEN mirror was a ebay purchase and this f12 ESCO mirror came as a extra with my Springfield 6"f8.4


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: actionhac]
      #5793697 - 04/12/13 01:38 AM Attachment (4 downloads)

Here is the Springfield.

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      #5793707 - 04/12/13 01:43 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

The mirrors for the Springfield. It has three, primary, a diagonal to bring the light out the side of the tube, and a third to turn the light to the eyepiece because the eyepiece is stationary while the telescope moves.

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      #5793708 - 04/12/13 01:44 AM

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Add in a blue one and I'd be patriotic!




Where I am you already are!


It looks somewhat inadequate given some of the other newts posted but I think my 11TE-5 counts! And hey... the Intes Micro M606 is a 3rd hand scope and such an ODD optical setup that it has to kinda-sorta have some potential-classic points....


(Sorry about the refractor that snuck in.... they always seem to want to be the center of attention!)




The scopes are nice but I'm drooling over that view! Just beautiful. I think that's where I want to be buried.


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      #5793711 - 04/12/13 01:49 AM Attachment (5 downloads)

The third mirror (rectangular) slides in diagonally under the focuser/eyepiece on the brass tray:

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      #5793714 - 04/12/13 01:55 AM Attachment (6 downloads)

Here is how you sit and operate most Springfields

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5793730 - 04/12/13 02:11 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

Dan

Have you got any background to the Purple One - the mount looks quite unusual?

James




No info at all except Frank said it was commercially made.




Parts of it remind me of the Lomo Astele 8", but I think that was a Mak?

-Tim.




Bingo Tim! Thanks. Did a Google on Lomo Astele and found an Astromart ad with a similar ball mount. Guess they had some old Sputnik bits left over!

James

Edited by Masvingo (04/12/13 03:06 AM)


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      #5793776 - 04/12/13 03:29 AM

Question for Dan, then. Was the one in your pic a 150? I do remember talk of a 200, but they're uncommon. I would think that they'd be decent optically, but I've never viewed with one myself.

-Tim.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5793787 - 04/12/13 04:06 AM

Ther's very little about them on the interweb, I did see mention that only four Lomo Astele 203 (8") units were originally produced but couldn't see any mention of the mount style. I guess these might have been an initial trial run of what has now developed into the current 3 versions offered - OTA only, GEM and a more traditional fork mount model, the 203-EL.

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      #5794054 - 04/12/13 09:55 AM Attachment (8 downloads)

I don't own this scope any more. I miss it. My back does not.

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      #5794093 - 04/12/13 10:16 AM

Yeah, you do remember all those moments when you thought your pumpkin cannon was going to pop a few things while you were moving it around

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: tim53]
      #5794165 - 04/12/13 10:52 AM

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Question for Dan, then. Was the one in your pic a 150? I do remember talk of a 200, but they're uncommon. I would think that they'd be decent optically, but I've never viewed with one myself.

-Tim.




I honestly don't remember the size of it, but I think the one in the pic was a 6", based on the diagonals of the finder and primary.


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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: Datapanic]
      #5794877 - 04/12/13 04:43 PM Attachment (10 downloads)

More reflectors - comin' up:

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5794951 - 04/12/13 05:20 PM

Someone likes Edmunds

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5794960 - 04/12/13 05:23 PM

Fantastic line up there!

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5795006 - 04/12/13 05:33 PM

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Someone likes Edmunds




I'd have put the little 60mm Edmund Voyager refractor in the frame, but I felt that it would spoil the purity of the photo... lenses and all, you know...



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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: amicus sidera]
      #5795063 - 04/12/13 05:45 PM

Oh, the envy of refractors is truly revealed in the above post

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Re: This Forum Needs more Reflector! new [Re: starman876]
      #5799137 - 04/14/13 07:08 PM

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Glue will set you free




Dude! Nooo, you are not wise in the ways of glue, you are talking about Solvent!! Glue does the opposite.


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This one is older than me!

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6"F5

Edited by oceanofsand (04/14/13 07:41 PM)


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