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The Ardent
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D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted
      #5993347 - 07/27/13 05:33 PM

This is the D&G I bought from Camera Concepts at NEAF 2013.
5.375" clear aperture, approx. 117" long, so 5" f/20 is just a guess. Unknown history, unknown previous owner deceased. Written in lens cell is "Refigured D&G OBJ" and then some illegible words. I don't know if this is an original D&G or a refigured ATM lens. The cell and tube look just like my previous D&G.

The previous owner used Parallax rings with a strongly curved base, so I bought new rings to attach the 19" Losmandy dovetail.

I had the tube shortened and powdercoated by Binoscope Company. Looks brand new.
Just had first light (for me) last night, amazing optics. Sharp and color-free. I didn't have a lot of time so I just used the DM4 for testing.

If you know anything about this scope please share.

Thanks!!



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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #5993361 - 07/27/13 05:51 PM

Interesting telescope. Looks like you either need a taller tripod or a shorter chair.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: terraclarke]
      #5993504 - 07/27/13 07:36 PM

I remember seeing this loooonng scope at NEAF! Wow! Should be virtually free of chromatic abberation with this long f/ratio. It's going to have to be some real planet killer! You will definitely want to make sure you collate this carefully in the beginning before you do anything. Use a 3rd magnitude star for that and you should get a really nice airey disk. Then enjoy this beauty. Wow I want to hear reports of performance!

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Awesomelenny]
      #5993507 - 07/27/13 07:39 PM

Oh by the way did you have a dew shield with it? If not, get a short 12 to 14 inch piece of aluminum tubing from a local company or Hastings Irrigation.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Awesomelenny]
      #5993790 - 07/27/13 10:37 PM

That is Looooonnnggg. Very cool.. careful the moment arm of such beast will damage a mount.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: bremms]
      #5995134 - 07/28/13 04:59 PM

I tried to commission a 5" f/20 doublet a couple of years ago, but the fabricator had to bow-out due to health issues. I have a 2" f/20 home-made refractor (unknown objective provenance) and have to agree, there just isn't a color issue at f/20.

That is an amazing telescope! I'm green with envy. (No Freud jokes, please.)


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Chuck Hards]
      #5995310 - 07/28/13 06:57 PM

what kind of finder are you planning to use. I am sure it also needs to be a long focal length?

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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: starman876]
      #5995349 - 07/28/13 07:20 PM

All I need is a Telrad. With a 35 Ultima 7 Sgr and the M8 are framed in the FOV, that about 36', close to the same size as the central Telrad ring.
Shopping list: Dewshield and longer saddle for the EQ mount.

I plan to have this scope set up for at least two public events at Crockett and Sky Meadows in the fall.


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bremms
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #5995380 - 07/28/13 07:46 PM

That baby needs a 55mm Plossl. Still a 2.75mm exit pupil!

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: bremms]
      #5995491 - 07/28/13 09:12 PM

love those long FL refractors....your going to love it.
i have a couple myself.


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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: mustgobigger]
      #5995539 - 07/28/13 09:32 PM

I meant to ask this earlier:
What's the best way to measure focal length? Aim at the moon and use an index card to find the focus point? Or will a streetlight work as well?
Thanks!


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Mirzam
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #5995573 - 07/28/13 09:47 PM

You can use a streetlight or telephone pole but it needs to be far away--like about 500 yards at least. If you use an object that is too close the focal point will be shifted considerably.

JimC


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #5995578 - 07/28/13 09:53 PM

It depends how accurate you want the know the focal length. The Moon will give it to you directly. If you use a streetlight it needs to be a couple of miles away or you need to know the distance if it is close.
The lens equation is 1/f = 1/(d image) + 1/(d object) were "d image" is the distance from the lens to were the image is formed, "d object" is the distance to object your looking at, and f is the focal length of the lens. When the object is at infinity "1/(d object)" goes to zero so 1/f = 1/(d image) so your measuring the focal length directly.

- Dave


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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: DAVIDG]
      #6001971 - 08/01/13 07:29 PM

In my quest for a dew cap I called Astrozap since Ive used a couple of their nice flexible dew shields. No metal ones in my size. D&G did not return phone calls or emails. I thought AP might have some extra dew shields lying around, but again nothing in the right size. I wanted something finished, powdercoated, and meant for a refractor.

After a little searching and advice from some of you I found this:

http://hastingsirrigation.com/node/19

They support telescopes! The shipping seems a little high, but I don't think they can make a living selling to hobbyists. If they're willing to help a non-commercial client I'll pay the fees. The rolling service looks interesting.


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6002113 - 08/01/13 08:56 PM

Andy Beirow has always been helpful when I've called. Mike

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BigC
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: terraclarke]
      #6002213 - 08/01/13 10:02 PM

It occurs to me that a really big brother version of the crank-up camera tripod might be good.Leave the mast low for low angle,and crank it up for the zenith!Might need the viewing chair on rollers as the geometry changes.

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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: BigC]
      #6023590 - 08/13/13 05:47 PM Attachment (19 downloads)

The Hastings pipe arrived today. Subtract the time for mailing my order and shipping the package UPS, was a two-day turnaround. Arrived in good shape. The rolled end looks and feels great. No burrs or sharp edges on the cut end. Only complaint, there is some machine oil inside the tube. I have a machinist friend who can help with fitting to the lens cell. Then some primer and paint, or powdercoat.

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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6046828 - 08/26/13 11:36 AM Attachment (23 downloads)

Friday was the first decent night in two months. Set up the scope to test balance. Forgot the pier extension so tripod was only 50" high.
The scope rode well. Balance was easy to achieve and maintain.
We were able to view a number of doubles and DSO's: Nu Sco, Beta Sco, Izar, M8, M20, M22 and several others. Star images were sharp with no aberrations.
No finderscope. "Gunsighting" with a Brandon 48mm put most targets in the FOV right away.

Photo by Mr Catapoman.


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Mirzam
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6047160 - 08/26/13 02:56 PM

I know that this is sacrilage, but I would seriously think about folding the lightpath in half (at least).

JimC


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Dr Morbius
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Mirzam]
      #6047171 - 08/26/13 03:05 PM

60 power with a 48mm Brandon......Heaven!!!! ..........and yes, folding the lightpath is sacrilagious, impious, and sinful. Please don't do it.

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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Dr Morbius]
      #6047338 - 08/26/13 05:03 PM

I will not have this scope's body severed in twain. You have my solemn obligation.
I didn't notice any excessive or objectionable vibration.

This refractor is for special occasions and public events, in other words, fun.


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6047428 - 08/26/13 05:51 PM

Sure looks like a fun and cool telescope.

I've recently made a 5" f15 with D & G lens. Still not had a lot of time to use it but it has certainly been fun so far. A lot easier to manage than my 6" f15, though that is fun too despite the size and weight.


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6047520 - 08/26/13 06:47 PM

Now you need to do something about that pier..so you can get that EP out of the dirt....when viewing at zenith or anywhere close by.
Rob


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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: rwiederrich]
      #6256426 - 12/16/13 02:48 PM Attachment (16 downloads)

Sorry to dig up this old thread, but the original dewshield arrived today. It was believed lost when I bought the scope in April. My irrigation pipe idea is shelved for now. With the dewshield attached, the scope is beautiful and complete.

I believe this scope was a guidescope for a much larger refractor, possible a similar setup to the one for sale
in California. Discussed here on CN post #5884694 and here

I have seen a few giant refractors with the really long guidescopes.
My scope came from a setup based on the north shore of Long Island. I'm still looking for the origin of the lens, and the unusual sapphire coating.


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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6256447 - 12/16/13 02:57 PM Attachment (18 downloads)

Here is a pic of the objective showing a reflection of a white ruler.
Ive had the scope out several times for public outreach, and the optics are excellent. No false color or distortions. Was able to binoview the moon last time out.


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6256512 - 12/16/13 03:39 PM

Quote:

I have seen a few giant refractors with the really long guidescopes.




Fantastic scope. I LOVE f/20 doublets! My 2-inch f/20 would be a scale model of yours.

In the good old days, when imaging with film, it was standard practice to have a guidescope with a final focal length at least as long as the imaging telescope. Most of us boosted it even more with a Barlow (or two).


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6257385 - 12/17/13 12:37 AM Attachment (19 downloads)

Here is another example of a long focal length D&G. I think this scope is also a 5" f/20.

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Jim Curry
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: ngc2289]
      #6257569 - 12/17/13 06:55 AM

Mike: I think that one's an f/25!

Jim


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Jim Curry]
      #6257681 - 12/17/13 08:53 AM

The longer the telescope, the less atmosphere you have to look through!



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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Chuck Hards]
      #6258853 - 12/17/13 07:47 PM

You'd get Chiggers using that in the Summer.
Flat on the back observing.
I nearly bought a 5" F15 Jagers, I didn't have the money for the 10' tall mount it needed.


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: plyscope]
      #6258870 - 12/17/13 07:59 PM Attachment (9 downloads)

Love the fact that you have a D&G 6" f/15 in the southern hemisphere of the planet...what a treat that must be...I'll offer a pic of an f/12 in the northern hemisphere...Merry Christmas,Will.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Jim Curry]
      #6259073 - 12/17/13 10:03 PM

Jim I think you are correct.

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The Ardent
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: ngc2289]
      #6336802 - 01/26/14 02:25 PM Attachment (7 downloads)

I took it out the other night for some moon binoviewing. Had 20 minutes of viewing before the clouds came in.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6337038 - 01/26/14 04:29 PM

Wonderful scope, I would love to look through it.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Sasa]
      #6337059 - 01/26/14 04:38 PM

Whoa.. There is an F18 down in Coral Gables Fl that is for sale at the planetarium there. Older OTA in good condition with rings and mounting plate. It's not mine and not advertised at the moment it's for sale far as I know.

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: The Ardent]
      #6337176 - 01/26/14 05:31 PM

Quote:

I took it out the other night for some moon binoviewing. Had 20 minutes of viewing before the clouds came in.




That's what we're talkin' 'bout


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Chuck Hards]
      #6337322 - 01/26/14 06:26 PM

Quote:

The longer the telescope, the less atmosphere you have to look through!








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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Ziggy943]
      #6337412 - 01/26/14 07:15 PM

The 5" f18 in Cape Coral/Ft. Myers (Calusa Nature Center Planetarium) has been sold and was shipped fine I was told yesterday. It was definitely looonnngg!
Brian


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bremms
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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Brian Risley]
      #6337453 - 01/26/14 07:41 PM

To You?? The lady there was very nice, I was going to take a look at the scope in May(Will be in the area) if it wasn't sold. Glad somebody bought the scope!

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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: bremms]
      #6337717 - 01/26/14 10:11 PM

No, I used to work there, our club meets there, and she and I were at an outreach event yesterday. She is our clubs AL contact, so we get together regularly. I have known Carol 35 years!
Brian


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Re: D&G 5" f/20 - info wanted new [Re: Brian Risley]
      #6337833 - 01/26/14 11:17 PM Attachment (5 downloads)

Those 5" F20 scopes, now that's a mans scope! My younger days in 1973 I used a Jaegers 6" F15, with a Jaegers 4" F15 guide scope and a Jaegers 5" F5 finder all on a Cave mount. Later on when I move to a small home in the Poconos I used a Jaegers 6" F10 on a Cave mount. also had a 8" F7 Cave.

Edited by joseph daukantas (01/27/14 09:00 AM)


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