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Kellogg
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APT or Backyard EOS
      #4236801 - 12/08/10 05:24 PM

Can anyone tell me the difference between these two pieces of software?

http://www.ideiki.com/astro/

http://backyardeos.binaryrivers.com/home

The features seem pretty similar.

Is any one better than the other. I've used the trial of APT for a while and I like it but not sure if I should opt for other one. I'm waiting for a trial license to try Backyard EOS at the moment.

Thanks

Mat


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Kellogg]
      #4236942 - 12/08/10 06:29 PM

I like APT (at least the free version) but I'm probably gonna try BackyardEOS too at some point. They seem very similar. Whichever I like best will get my money.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Greg K.]
      #4266717 - 12/23/10 08:00 AM

I like the look of Backyard EOS, I may get it. But I don't see system requirements, I am looking to get a Netbook or single core notebook.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Magellan]
      #4267895 - 12/23/10 05:44 PM

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I like the look of Backyard EOS, I may get it. But I don't see system requirements, I am looking to get a Netbook or single core notebook.




Scroll down to the text just below DOWNLOAD BETA RELEASE and you'll see that it should work with a Netbook.

David


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Magellan]
      #4277887 - 12/29/10 10:13 AM

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I like the look of Backyard EOS, I may get it. But I don't see system requirements, I am looking to get a Netbook or single core notebook.




Thanks, BackyardEOS version 1.0.2 (or later) fully supports netbook resolution 1024x600.

BackyardEOS is a multi-threaded application so the more core the better. However, it will run on a single core netbook; it may just take a bit longer to download and process the exif meta data after each download but it will run. I would recommend a 1.5 Ghz CPU or faster if you have a single core... but this is just a wild guess.

BackyardEOS runs on Windows 7, Vista, and XP; 32 bits or 64 bits alike.

BackyardEOS setup will verify that the Microsoft .Net 3.5 Framework is installed on your computer. If it is not, it will guide you to the Microsoft's download site first.

There is not need to install EOS Utilities, BackyardEOS supplies all the necessary drivers in its simple installer package.

I will leave it to you guys/gals to argue the real merit of BackyardEOS over APT as I don't think it would be ethical for me to do so.

I will read this thread like it was gold though

Guylain


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #4277922 - 12/29/10 10:30 AM

Just to mention that there are no complains from APT on Netbooks...

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4277944 - 12/29/10 10:39 AM

Quote:

;) Just to mention that there are no complains from APT on Netbooks...




Ivo (Yoddha), I'm glad to see you're here too, it would not be complete without some visibility from you as well.. and it promises to be a good conversation for both of us.

Take care and happy new year,

Guylain


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #4277962 - 12/29/10 10:48 AM

Thanks Guylain! You are right about this thread and that's the reason to keep an eye on it

Happy and successful new year to you and to all CN members!


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4278092 - 12/29/10 12:04 PM

I have no experience with APT but I do own a licensed copy of BackyardEOS and I have had nothing but a positive experience with this software. It's easy to use. Fully featured and gets the job done. Plus, new ideas from users are considered and/or being implemented.
The very first time I tried it it linked up with my 450D in seconds. I love the focus features. Improved the quality of my nights worth of imaging.

IMHO money well spent.

Russ_in_AZ


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Tonka]
      #4278765 - 12/29/10 06:14 PM

I have tried both and I just like BackyardEOS better , dither is such a great addition over just plain old EOS Utility which I stuck with for way too long.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Nils_Lars]
      #4279367 - 12/30/10 12:42 AM

I always tried both and BackyardEOS It seems much better, nights on end without the slightest error, a very nice interface, friendly and easy to use, automatic saving system of folders and subfolders is great, the zoom window and reading the FMWH, is exquisite.
BackyardEOS has put together two very important things, efficiency and elegance.

Cheers
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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: caliu]
      #4572343 - 05/09/11 10:18 PM

I came across this old thread in researching the BackyardEOS vs. APT question and was a little disappointed not see more info. So now that I've used Backyard EOS and APT some I'll chime in with my 2-cents...

*** EOS Utility ***

First, you can use the FREE software that comes with your Canon camera to do astrophotography. With the EOS Utility program and a stopwatch you're in business:

1. The main screen lets you set the exposure time and ISO settings.
2. There's a Live View window to help you frame the target.
3. There's a magnified Live View to help you fine-tune focusing.
4. When you take a photo, a screen pops up with the new image.

So what's not to like? Well, did you notice that we now have FOUR screens up? And they're not the kind you can resize easily. And for any but a few set times (30 secs, 15 secs, ...) you'll need to press a button and watch a stopwatch to time the exposure by hand. I'm sure this is great for studio photography, but it's a lot to manage at night in the middle of a field. Plus, don't close that image preview screen, I can't figure out how to bring it back up! And if you forget to set the camera to BULB/ISO 1600 you won't see even a bright target (like Saturn) in the Live View screen, even though you'll need to crank that exposure way down to get a good picture.


*** BackyardEOS ***

So for $24 you can get Backyard EOS, or try the 30-day full-featured free trial. The first thing you'll notice is the BackyardEOS screen is a nice dim red color.

There are four buttons across the top:

1. The first is a CONNECT button, there's a little status log below it to let you see what mode your camera is in. If it's not MANUAL, you need to reach over and turn the dial on top of the camera.
2. IMAGING mode shows a captured image with a histogram display.
3. FRAME/FOCUS mode sets the camera to BULB/ISO 1600 automatically. You see a big area for the live view image, a magnified view for focusing, a numeric indicator of focus (FHWM), plus camera battery level, etc. All in view at once.
4. DRIFT ALIGN - Haven't tried that yet.

Once you're aligned and focused, you can click the IMAGING button get a screen that includes a "Capture Plan". Here you can list how many photos to take, and at what exposure and ISO setting. Once you start the "plan" running you can walk away and take a nap (or whatever).

One oddity, if you want to take just one image, you still need to enter a plan, and run it.

There are other features, but I was excited by just what I've seen so far.


*** APT ***

I also downloaded APT and tried it. I did not find it nearly as intuitive. Most of the controls seem to lie behind a series of cryptic icons; the majority of which are disabled in the trial version. For example, of the nine buttons on the right side of the screen, six are unavailable in the trial version. The full version is only 12.7 Euros (about $18 US).

Like BackyardEOS the screen is a nice dim red. There's a Live View preview window, a smaller focusing window with an FHWM number. There appears to be a built-in database of potential targets that would show you apparent size, etc.; sounds neat but it's disabled in the Trial version. There's also a SHOOT button to take a single exposure. Camera settings are behind a button which pops up a new window.

To create a shooting plan like BackyardEOS, you must bring up an editor screen. BackyardEOS's is all on the same screen. A lot of APT seems like that, many features, but not so accessible.

Even the little log window at the bottom of the display is not well thought out. Once you get about six or seven lines of the same message you can't tell what's going on. The log doesn't have scroll buttons, and you can't clear it. So if after pressing six buttons that generate a "Disabled in trial version" message, the next button press appears to have no effect, or did it add another "Disabled" message? No way to tell.

There's also some sort of quirk under XP. If you minimize the app, a little live window stays stuck on the screen (feature or bug?), and to restore the full screen view you can't simply click on the minimized tab at the bottom of the screen; you have to right-click and select Restore.


*** In Summary ***

BackyardEOS seems to be better thought out with regards to usability. Once you understand the four main buttons the rest is easy. APT seems to have more features, but all those cryptic icons and buttons are not arranged in any kind of order. I also emailed both authors with minor quibles about their app or website. Only Guylain of BackyardEOS responded.

So, as a rank amateur at astrophotography, I vote for BackyardEOS as the best one to start with.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Charles Hall]
      #4572666 - 05/10/11 04:25 AM

Hi Charles,

A lot of thanks for this detailed comparison! It is always invaluable to see different points of view. Please allow me to share few lines about APT.

APT was started two years ago. By this time there were no much free alternatives, there were no much discussions like this one, so it was designed using my own astro photography experience (which is not as rich as I want). For more than year since it became available, APT has come a long way and many features has been added. Following the original idea everything to be “one click away on a small screen” has made the interface little bit harder to use for some new comers. I know that and in this very moment I’m working on newer interface that hosts the existing and new coming features better.

Something important is that the “demo” in fact is a free utility that is available for everybody that don’t like EOS utility and/or currently don’t want to spend money for astro dedicated software. Being that, it provides all basic functions you need to focus, frame, dither and control your camera during the night without limitations and from the main screen - the only dialogs are the Plans editor and PHD/MetaGuide integration settings (there is no camera settings dialog). If somebody likes APT and decides to reward my work, some extras will become available for use. This is my gesture of gratitude for supporting the future development of APT, that constantly improves both versions…

About the “quirk” screen It is a feature that allows to monitor the APT status and part of the last image when the main screen is minimized. A double click in this window is a way quickly to restore the main one.

Charles, I searched in my archives. The only time you contacted me was through the “Suggest” form in the site and you didn’t leave way to contact you back. In that message you suggested to update the “EOS matrix” page with the Canon model names used on US market. The page was updated half hour later… I’m putting a significant effort to support APT in all aspects and every question is usually responded in 0 to 9-10 hours depending on your time zone and my local time, no matter if it is related to the “demo” or to the full version. There are various ways to contact me including the “anonymous” form in the “Suggest” page on the site.

I want to thank again for your review!


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4572935 - 05/10/11 09:23 AM

Thanks for your response Ivo. As you can tell from my review, I prefer the full-function/trial-period approach. At these prices, I don't think anyone would begrudge the cost of either product. It's just a matter of deciding which one to invest your time and energy in learning to use.

Please do post back to this thread when you've made your next round of changes. As it did me, I think Google will lead others back here.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Charles Hall]
      #4573035 - 05/10/11 10:20 AM

Thanks Charles! I'll think how to implement a trial period for the extras. The big disadvantage of such periods is that they can expire before you were able to try the features, or even worse during an imaging session...

I'll contact the moderators to see if it will violate the rules to post a notice for the next update here.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4585812 - 05/16/11 09:13 PM

Charled,
I do agree that EOS Utility is not the most user friendly application, but it does have an intervalometer function which allows you to shoot automatically as many exposures of any length you like .

Alex


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Charles Hall]
      #4687845 - 07/11/11 11:41 PM

Quote:


One oddity, if you want to take just one image, you still need to enter a plan, and run it.





Thank you Charles for taking the time write about your experience. In version 1.2.0 you can take a quick preview image.

Guylain


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #4719231 - 07/29/11 09:46 AM

Charles said

Quote:

With the EOS Utility program and a stopwatch you're in business ... And for any but a few set times (30 secs, 15 secs, ...) you'll need to press a button and watch a stopwatch to time the exposure by hand




Lets be totally fair to the EOS utility . Somehow Charles has completely missed that it has a fully functional intervalvometer ... you certainly don't need to sit up all night with a stop watch!!

With that said I'm going to test both BackyardEOS and APT out this fall on my AstroAdventures holiday


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #4725828 - 08/02/11 12:06 AM

Hi All,
I tried Backyard EOS...It worked great but it caused my guide camara to stop working. I was going to purchace it until I realized that It's what caused my Orion ShootingStar guide camera to stop working. Don't know why but when I deleted Backyard EOS, it started functioning normally again.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: StargateDG]
      #4738360 - 08/09/11 08:25 AM

I've tried both and it's a very close run thing. I too prefer the slick BackyardEOS interface. The latest beta release of APT goes a way to addressing these issues, although the interface is still not quite as polished as BackyardEOS. I understand that the next full release of APT (due out any day) may polish up the interface even more. I have registered APT so, because the two programs are so similar, I see little point in buying BackyardEOS as well. I have found the Ivo's (APT) technical support excellent and he is very open to ideas to improve the software.

For me, APT seems to have slightly more of the features that I'm after and there are some nice little touches that I find make it a bit easier to run an imaging session - but there is not a lot in it.

Edited by Michael Morris (08/09/11 04:56 PM)


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: StargateDG]
      #4765518 - 08/24/11 01:22 AM

Quote:

Hi All,
I tried Backyard EOS...It worked great but it caused my guide camara to stop working. I was going to purchace it until I realized that It's what caused my Orion ShootingStar guide camera to stop working. Don't know why but when I deleted Backyard EOS, it started functioning normally again.




Thanks for trying BackyardEOS. I would be very interested in getting your log files from your trial run with BYE, I see no reason that your guide camera would stop working and I'm sure I would find the root cause.

Anyway, entirely up to you; send me a PM or email.

Thank you for your support and interest.

Guylain


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #4769234 - 08/25/11 08:09 PM

Guylain,
I downloaded BackyardEOS again to give it another try. I received the key...I'll send you the log file after the next clear sky.

Dave

Edited by StargateDG (08/25/11 08:18 PM)


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: StargateDG]
      #4769992 - 08/26/11 08:31 AM

I'm happy to inform all readers of this thread that the newest version of APT is released. Its user interface is completely reworked and now there are no icon buttons

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4805549 - 09/13/11 01:09 PM

Hi!

Will APT or Backyard EOS do autofocus with an ascom compliant motorized focuser?

Best Regards,
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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: UniversalMaster]
      #4805559 - 09/13/11 01:14 PM

Hi Søren,

APT doesn't support this feature yet.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4805579 - 09/13/11 01:25 PM

Thanks! I wasn't really sure if the "Automatic Lens focusing - use the Lens Panel" feature would do this or not. Any plans to add ascom focuser control?

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: UniversalMaster]
      #4805590 - 09/13/11 01:31 PM

Automatic Lens focusing is designed to work only with lens. Currently I'm working on manual control for ASCOM focusers. Also there are plans for automatic focusing, but I still don't have the needed hardware to test it, so can't give exact estimate when this feature will be implemented.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #4805745 - 09/13/11 03:04 PM

Quote:

Automatic Lens focusing is designed to work only with lens. Currently I'm working on manual control for ASCOM focusers. Also there are plans for automatic focusing, but I still don't have the needed hardware to test it, so can't give exact estimate when this feature will be implemented.




Ok, thanks for letting me know. Shoestring FCUSB can control an Orion AccuFocus motor. I think that is about the cheapest ascom-motor-focus you can get, without DIYing


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: UniversalMaster]
      #4805798 - 09/13/11 03:39 PM

Søren, many thanks for the help! I'll investigate if AccuFocus can be fitted to my WO ZS 110

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5354715 - 08/06/12 12:08 PM

Howdy All,

My first post here, name is Mitch, located on Cape Cod of the coast of South Eastern Massachusetts in USA...

Presently I'm fumbling around trying to decide what software to use for a computer controlled imaging system.

I'm presently testing both APT and BYEOS and have both demo versions up and running (individually of course)...

First comment I'd like to make is to thank Ivo for our recent communications, I have a vision problem that causes red on black computer screens to cause me a great deal of eye strain and are unusable, on loading the demo and seeing only red on black screens, I sent Ivo a message asking if a solution was available and I received a prompt reply with a solution, and I'm able to run APT now with the gray/white skin which works very well for me...

Ivo, Thank You for your prompt response and fix...

However, now that I can run either APT and BYEOS and make comparisons, I'm finding APT seems to have problem with saving images at the location/path that I set whereas BYEOS has no problem doing this... Its a minor problem I suspect and not going to interfere with my testing now that I've figured out where/how APT has created a variation of the path I set, but this is a subject for further investigation once I have concluded my testing...

Unfortunately where I live, weather is a major issue, I'm plagued with fog, clouds, and more rain than we've had mid summer in may years. Also having equipment issues with a failed mount control computer interface now waiting on parts to arrive which is another complicated matter by going through a distributor to the manufacturer who seems to be in no hurry responding...

I'm also in the process of deciding on which/how to do focus control and have yet to place a purchase order for the focus motor/control system as I want to be sure of software compatibility first before spending the money...

It looks at this point the focuser will be the JMI smart focus system and will be mounted on a ES127 ED/APO refractor scope... I would appreciate any advise and comments anyone has to offer on the subject of remote focus control...

Thanks to all for any comments and advice...

Clear Skies



Edited by fmhill (08/06/12 12:38 PM)


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: fmhill]
      #5354993 - 08/06/12 03:20 PM

I have both, and use BYEOS. It's interface is more intuitive (IMHO), and therefore easier to use.

Guylain (the BYE Dev), is an astronomer, and has much the same hours as us. I have posted a question in the Yahoo group, and had a response within a half hour. YMMV, of course.

I just dont care for limited demos, APT isnt a fully unlocked demo, all of its features arent available until you buy, BYE on the other hand is completely unrestricted.

Both are good, to me BYE is great!

Andy


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: budman1961]
      #5355890 - 08/07/12 02:50 AM

Thank you Mitch for your kind words! I don't have other reports for problems with file saving. If you need more info on this please send a mail and I'll answer on your questions.

Andy, thank you too for the positive mentioning of APT! BTW I'm into this hobby too Take a look on my gallery link in the signature...

One can tell that I'm defending my project too actively here. And maybe he will be right, but this is the destiny of a project coming from a small country, from the other side of the ocean, that doesn't have access to the marketing machine - astro shows, magazines and etc.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5356048 - 08/07/12 08:17 AM

APT; I love free software. I appreciate fellow hobbyists sharing their efforts with us for free.
The only way you will get software that does everything you want in the way you want to do it is to do it yourself. This requires a large amount of talent and time. After you invest that talent and time it is admirable to offer a free version.
All IMO; Don t.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Don Trinko]
      #5356356 - 08/07/12 11:45 AM

Many thanks Don!

You are pointing the reason why the "demo" version is time unlimited BTW in the next edition there will be more functions moved from the full to the free version.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5357434 - 08/08/12 12:45 AM

Backyard EOS now has a greyscale screen to aid in daytime use, perhaps this will aid your vision issue!

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5357874 - 08/08/12 11:34 AM

Quote:

Thank you Mitch for your kind words! I don't have other reports for problems with file saving. If you need more info on this please send a mail and I'll answer on your questions.

Andy, thank you too for the positive mentioning of APT! BTW I'm into this hobby too Take a look on my gallery link in the signature...

One can tell that I'm defending my project too actively here. And maybe he will be right, but this is the destiny of a project coming from a small country, from the other side of the ocean, that doesn't have access to the marketing machine - astro shows, magazines and etc.




Ivo,
It looks like the problem I'm having when saving images is being caused by the Windows 7 Pro 64 bit operating system and is not the APT software.

Windows 7 seems to have created its own shortcut path to the image storage area and when I enter the full path in APT, Windows seems to remove what it considers to be redundant routing and as a result does not route according to the path as entered and yet seems unable to apply its own shortcut routing so I end up with a second Image library in a location other than the one I have specified or am expecting... Confusing but now that I know where the new image directory is located, its usable but another disappointment in the Windows 7 operating system...


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: fmhill]
      #5359145 - 08/09/12 02:28 AM

Mitch, it sounds strange. I'm using 32bits Win7 and have no such problems, but my user has administrator rights. Maybe this is the solution. I'll check when am back from my vacation.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5359396 - 08/09/12 08:34 AM

Ivo,

Enjoy your vacation, do not worry about Windows issues, enjoy your time away from it, my issue with Windows routing peculiarities is of little importance for the moment, it will wait...


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Magellan]
      #5361506 - 08/10/12 11:04 AM

Quote:

I like the look of Backyard EOS, I may get it. But I don't see system requirements, I am looking to get a Netbook or single core notebook.



I'm currently using BackyardEOS on an 8 year old Dell notebook - 1.3 Ghz Pentium M processor, 512 MB RAM, 1024x768 screen resolution, Windows XP.

It works perfectly for deep sky imaging. It does seem a little "laggy" for planetary live view imaging, but it still works.

I just thought I would post this because you don't necessarily need to buy a new laptop to use it if you already have an old laptop laying around. The best thing is that you can try the 30 day trial before purchasing if you want to try it on an older laptop without being out any money if it doesn't work for you.

I'm eventually going to get a new laptop, but for now I am up and running on the 8 year old laptop.

Greg


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: gmartin02]
      #5402825 - 09/04/12 11:46 AM

Good day all.

Since I purchased both of these programs I felt compelled to add my two-cents worth. I do favor BYE over APT however. I find APT a takes me longer to setup (I need to think about my ap plan a bit more) while BYE gives me what I want more quickly and easily. (instant gratification eh) I have also had APT lock up on me which has NEVER happened with BYE.

I like APT a lot, it is feature packed and well written...but I prefer BYE because I find it easier to use and more reliable. And when your racing against the dew and the dawn you just don't want to waste time rebooting your laptop.

Just my two cents eh.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Michael Morris]
      #5402880 - 09/04/12 12:13 PM

I've been running a month long evaluation of APT and BYEOS along with looks at a few other camera control/capture softwares and have pretty much decided at this point that BYEOS is the most user friendly and easiest to use of them all.

Unfortunately where I am located, in a high humidity area known for its poor/inconsistent weather environment. This being Cape Cod, a peninsular jutting out from the coast on the corner of South Eastern New England, has the warm Gulf Stream on the south side and the cold waters of the North Atlantic on the north side with me located about 20 miles out from the coast in the Mid Cape Area, I'm lucky to get 3 or 4 usable nights a month, sometimes less to be able to do any serious imaging. Talk about fog capital of the world!

Point is, when I do get to do any imaging, being able to work efficiently is important and to this point, the two programs that work best for me has turned out to be BYEOS and Nebulosity and at present I have purchased both of these programs.

APT also interest me however the big deciding factor for me was the BYEOS focusing function combined with the ease of use in general. Nebulosity for pretty much the same reason however the big selling point to me was Nebulositys processing capability of the raw images once they are stacked. This is still an area I am investigating and as soon as Pixinsight releases their Version 2 upgrade this month, I intend to start a yrial period evaluation of Pixinsight.

In the meanwhile, BYEOS will be my primary camera control software of choice...


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: fmhill]
      #5404418 - 09/05/12 07:26 AM

DrGui, you can always contact me. I'm truing to support APT as soon as possible and didn't see complains about this. I'm using APT in my imaging and never missed a frame with the official versions, and even the "in development" versions that I test myself under the skies are good enough to keep me running all night long

Mitch, thank you for your honest review!

Looks like APT fans are more shy than BYE fans But I'll not leave my project in the river. There is significant interest to APT. More than 10 downloads of the "demo" version per day, that I observe constantly, are enough to keep me putting all possible efforts in the APT development


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5404815 - 09/05/12 12:36 PM

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Mitch, thank you for your honest review!

Looks like APT fans are more shy than BYE fans But I'll not leave my project in the river. There is significant interest to APT. More than 10 downloads of the "demo" version per day, that I observe constantly, are enough to keep me putting all possible efforts in the APT development




Ivo,

Your help in getting me a fix to the trial version and seeing it in daylight mode is something I will not forget...

At some point I plan to explore APT further under better conditions. Regrettably where I live allows summer weather conditions to play a huge factor when attempting to evaluate camera control/image capture software and with 70 year old eyes in the dark at night, trying to frame and achieve sharp focus with a EOS 60Da DSLR, two software packages quickly showed a distinct advantage, BYEOS and Nebulosity.

I'm not satisfied that APT received a full or fair evaluation under the limited circumstance of only having 2 or 3 clear usable nights during trial period when trying to evaluate half a dozen software packages, and it is my intent to come back to APT for further evaluation as it ran BYEOS a close second in my choice.

Having 30 day trial periods of most software packages, mainly BYEOS and Nebulosity, with only a few clear nights during the trial period forced me to make a quick decision, my point is that a 30 day trial period is hardly adequate under these conditions to be able to make a conclusive choice. I would suggest a 90 day trial period would be more fair under the circumstances...

I would strongly encourage you to keep pursuing your goals with APT, do not let my decision stand in your way as I think, down the road when time and conditions allow, APT deserves a better look when i have time to learn its intricacies and functionality to a more complete extent.

I thank you for your efforts and I intend to follow development of APT for future use, I have not ruled it out...


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: fmhill]
      #5412779 - 09/10/12 05:03 AM

Mitch,

Thank you for the encouragements!

I have the same problem with the trial periods, so when started APT decided that will not put such kind of limitation. APT has almost a full set of features and no time limits in the "demo" version, which in fact is making it a free alternative...


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Yoddha]
      #5459994 - 10/08/12 01:20 AM

I got APT because at the time it was the only one that supported my older camera. Still use and still really like it.

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: fmhill]
      #5486290 - 10/23/12 11:54 PM

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Looks like APT fans are more shy than BYE fans But I'll not leave my project in the river. There is significant interest to APT. More than 10 downloads of the "demo" version per day, that I observe constantly, are enough to keep me putting all possible efforts in the APT development




I am one of those loud BYE fans. BUT To be fair and honest I did not even try your software. I tend to stick with what I try first and go from there. I will not try to compare BYE to, from what I read here, your fantastic program. Having said this, I am VERY glad to hear you say you will stick with this project. You have your own share of fans here and it would be a shame to stop development.

I, like many others here have mentioned, like the ease and user interface with BYE. I use it for deep sky AND planetary using the live-view mode. I like the frame and focus feature and have found it VERY useful in setting up shots. The only feature I have NOT used yet is the drift alignment screen. I have yet to figure that darned drift alignment out! LOL Thank god for the Nexguide auto guider!

A sample of the Planetary function of BYE can be seen here:
http://www.astrobin.com/20050/ and here: http://www.astrobin.com/20051/ people are always amazed that these are DSLR shots.

The zoom feature in the imaging window is great for making sure the stars are good and round. I shoot at 250% once the image is framed so I can ensure focus and tracking.

Tech support is great and the Yahoo group works great and is constantly monitered by the developer to answer questions.

So all this comes from several months of using BYE. As stated above I have NOT used APT, so can not give an accurate eval of it. I am SURE they are both GREAT programs and it boils down to different strokes for different folks.

I hope this has been helpful. BTW I use it on an old XP version Acer Netbook. Never had an issue.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: RayM0506]
      #5935760 - 06/23/13 02:09 AM

I've been using BYE for quite a while now, and APT for about a month. BYE is weeks away from a major upgrade. This next upgrade should give it better integration with Astro Tortilla freeware plate solving software. BYE already integrates with PHD, ASCOM controlled focusers and TEMPerHum USB devices very well.

It strikes me that BYE has a simpler, more intuitive user interface, and many well thought out features. APT has rather powerful imaging processing capability via plans - once you figure out how to use these. APT's telescope controls via ASCOM are more developed than BYE's at present.

Both versions have integration with ASCOM controllable focusers (but I'm am unsure how well either works with multiple telescopes, cameras and focusers on the same mount. I run a modified Canon 40D through a Meade focuser via a Shoestring astronomy breakout box on one OTA and a modified Canon 400D into a Moonlight controlled focuser on the another scope. Both current versions of BYE and APT (and all mixes of them controlling these cameras and focusers) get rather confused when I run both camera's simultaneously. I am hoping the next release of BYE may solve this.

The best success I have had so far is with BYE controlling the 40D and Meade motor focuser and APT running the 400D and control the motor focuser thru Moonlights own stand alone driver. Some nights is a total P.I.T.A. trying to connect both cameras to their respective controlling software - both APT and BYE want to grab the wrong camera and/or report its already in use. They both seem to want to grab the 400D - even though in BYE I specify do a driver search and tell it to search for Digic III or later models and try and tell APT to go for the Digic II 400D.


Both programs are well supported - BYE has a very active Yahoo community group and both are very good value for money in my opinion.


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #6310564 - 01/13/14 03:58 PM

Do you happen to know whether Backyard EOS will run on Microsoft's new windows 8?

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: schecter]
      #6312203 - 01/14/14 12:20 PM

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Do you happen to know whether Backyard EOS will run on Microsoft's new windows 8?




Yes it does run on W8, it's fully supported.

Guylain


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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: guyroch]
      #6315673 - 01/15/14 11:59 PM

I can also verify that it runs flawlessly on Win 8.....

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Re: APT or Backyard EOS new [Re: Derrickh24]
      #6317571 - 01/16/14 10:41 PM

I'll give more kudos for Backyard EOS. The user interface is well designed and the support is great. Planetary mode allows me to use the same setup for planetary and deep sky imaging.

Planetary
http://www.astrobin.com/56351/

Deep Sky
http://www.astrobin.com/56352/

-Steve


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