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My experience at observing planetaries is very limited. The few non-messier's I've observed seem to appear as faint, out of focus stars. IMHO, they just have not seemed to have the flair or personality of M57 or M27. But, Saturday night I found NGC 7009, the "Saturn Nebula". That was impressive! I could easily see the elongated shape at 63x, but did most of the observing at 208x. Though smaller than M57 or M27, it was amazingly bright! This is also the first planetary I've discerned noticeable color in -- blue. Some people report seeing a greenish color in M27 and M57, but I see them as white smoke.
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NGC 7293, the Helix. Easy in binocs and small scopes if the skies are dark enough, especially with a NB filter. A little more aperture helps for seeing the screwy details.
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7009 and 7293 are both fantastic. Also 3242, 6543, and 2392.
I also like 6309, a rectangle-shaped nebula that forms an "!" with a nearby star.
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One of my favorite non-Messier planetary nebulae is NGC-6543, the Cat's Eye Nebula. I've not only seen the central star and the shape that looks like the outline of a cat's eye, but hints of the whorls in my 10-inch as well. On very steady nights you can use really high magnifications to tease out subtle details in this planetary nebulae.
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For binoculars, it's gotta be the Helix, NGC7293. It's just so huge, at 1/2 the Moon's diameter, that its size is perceptible in the smallest of instruments. But it does require pretty dark skies to see at all due to its notoriously low surface brightness.
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Mine would have to be NGC 6826 near the binary star 16 Cygni!
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proud uncle
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Mine would have to be NGC 6826 near the binary star 16 Cygni!
Yes, that's the "blinking planetary". I found it for the first time last night. It was not very bright, and hard to see much nebulosity, but the blinking was very apparent. I very much liked it!
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Dave Mitsky
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My favorite one under normal circumstances is NGC 7293 (the Helix Nebula).
However, I've observed NGC 6543 (the Cat's Eye Nebula) through a Collins I3Piece and a 24" Tectron on a couple of occasions and the inner structure that was revealed was incredible. NGC 40 (the Bow-Tie Nebula) was similarly impressive.
Some other noteworthy planetaries not already mentioned include IC 418 (the Raspberry or Spirograph Nebula, which is remarkable for its color), NGC 1514 (the Crystal Ball Nebula), NGC 2371-2 (the Double Bubble Nebula), NGC 2438, NGC 3132 (the Eight-Burst or Southern Ring Nebula), NGC 6210 (the Turtle Nebula), NGC 6572 (the Emerald Nebula), NGC 7008 (the Fetus Nebula), and NGC 7662 (the Blue Snowball).
Ahh, how the DSO nicknames proliferate!
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Further non Messiers: NGC246 - large, but it can be nice under dark skies (>4') NGC7026 - Cheeseburger nebula, offers a nice bipolar structure in 10" scope (27"×14") IC2149 - nice compact nebula in Auriga (15"×10") NGC1501 - fully inhomogenous disc in bigger scopes (56"×48") NGC1535 - almost like NGC2392, but in Eridanus (45"/18") NGC1360 - egg shaped, quite large (6'×4.5') NGC2440 - bright and with an unique structure in bigger scopes (74"×42"/25"×18") IC3568 - boreal compact nebula much smaller than NGC2392, but similar in structure (18"/6") NGC6781 - Ghost of Moon (>2') NGC6818 - Little Gem, bright (22"×15") NGC6905 - nice round disc in a 6" scope (42"×35")
NGC3242: I could see in a 6×30 finder!
PS: I also suggest M76, which also offers nice bipolar structure. M97 is not 11th magnitude planetary nebula, it's rather 9.6th!
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I love NGC 6572, no detail but the color is striking.
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Tough choice, there are so many! I would have to say NGC 7293, the Helix is among my favorite non-Messier PN's NGC-7009, The Staurn Nebula is another good one but I think my favorite of favorite non_Messier PN is NGC-6818, The Little Gem in Sagittarius. This such a beautiful nebula and quite striking, I still can not understand how Messier missed this one, especially since he found so many objects on his list in this region of the sky! I haven't viewed NGC-2392, The Eskimo, as of yet but from what a read and heard it might take over my top position!
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For me, probably the Cat's Eye or the Helix.
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Congrates on the find Kenneth! I remember my first view of it well in a ST80. Awesome.
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NGC 7293, the Helix. Easy in binocs and small scopes if the skies are dark enough, especially with a NB filter. A little more aperture helps for seeing the screwy details.
Tuesday night I tried for this with my binocular, without success, though I did find a good starhop. Thursday night (yesterday) I looked for it with my 10" scope. No success. I think the key is having sufficiently dark skies. Apparently, mine were not. NELM was app. 4-5.
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proud uncle
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NGC6781 - Ghost of Moon (>2')
I tried looking for this Thursday night, without success. I am confident the scope was pointing right at it. It must have very low surface brightness.
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NGC 7293, the Helix. Easy in binocs and small scopes if the skies are dark enough, especially with a NB filter. A little more aperture helps for seeing the screwy details.
Tuesday night I tried for this with my binocular, without success, though I did find a good starhop. Thursday night (yesterday) I looked for it with my 10" scope. No success. I think the key is having sufficiently dark skies. Apparently, mine were not. NELM was app. 4-5.
Definitely try again with a nebula filter (UHC etc) if you haven't already. My backyard is probably worse than your sky in brightness, although the scope is a bit bigger.
The filter makes a huge difference for some nebula. The difference between: 1) not visible at all and 2)bam! there it is no problem.
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Definately the Ghost of Jupiter. Bright, big, spectacular vivid bluish colour and fascinating structure.
NGC 3918 is a beauty aswell. Bright and perfectly round with an intense turquiose hue.
NGC 5189 is awesome, it's big and has a strange shape that looks like a demented barred-spiral galaxy.
Edited by HellsKitchen (10/25/08 06:49 AM)
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In my observing logs The Fetus (NGC7008) appears to win out, with The Eskimo (NGC2392) and The Bow-Tie (NGC40) in close chase.
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Hi,
NGC 3132 - Southern Ring Nebula! NGC 3918 - Blue Planetary Nebula! NGC 5189 - Spiral Planetary Nebula!
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NGC 6302 (the Bug or Butterfly Nebula) in Scorpius is another planetary that deserves mention.
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My favorites are NGC 7009, NGC 6894, NGC 6765, NGC 6781, and others as well, but my top favorite is NGC 7027, it has a striking color, and a pretty structure...clear skies
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I've never observed NGC 7027, but your description puts it on my list of objects to find!
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Thanks for all the ideas! After having frustration last week at trying unsuccessfully to see the Helix and "Ghost of the Moon" in Aquila, I had a great night of planetaries on Saturday night. In addition to viewing M57 and M27, I had my first ever (and very nice) views of M76, the "Little Gem" in Sagittarius, and the Blue Snowball.
With all objects except M57 and M27, I first detected non-stellar nature of these at 64x and found the optimal power for all to be 208x.
Little Gem and Blue Snowball were both round and blue, appeared the same apparent size. The only difference I noticed was the dark center of the Blue Snowball, but no detail in the Gem.
M76 basically appeared as a little brother/sister to M27, except though it was significantly smaller, I thought M76 appeared brighter than M27. It was also more elongated than M27 (like a dog bone). Both appeared white.
Except for the difference in color, the Blue Snowball appeared like a miniature M57. The distinct dark center of the Blue Snowball gave it an annular appearance.
Based on your recommendations, I look forward to trying for NGC 6543 (Catseye Nebula), NGC 40 (Bow tie Nebula), and others.
M97 is now the only Messier planetary I need to conquer. It's becoming almost a nemesis. Is this one I'll need a nebular filter for?
-------------------- Kenneth
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Kenneth --
The Owl (M97) is pretty bright, so you shouldn't need a filter for it. I've found that a UHC helps somewhat with the "eyes" (the two dark spots), but that averted vision and more magnification will also reveal them. If you have dark skies (NELM 6 or better) I'd suggest around 300x for it. Under brighter skies it will probably dim too much and you may need to stay around 200x.
NGC40 is much more compact, so I'd try more like 400x on it (even under brighter skies). With a night of good seeing, more power is often better than more filtration on planetary nebulae. For instance, the uneven edge of NGC40 is more apparent to me at 510x in a 16" Mak-Cass.
Same for NGC6543 -- I've used up to 600x on it to get some contrast between the fainter outer shell and the background.
Cheers and good hunting, -- Jeff.
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NGC6781 - Ghost of Moon (>2')
I tried looking for this Thursday night, without success. I am confident the scope was pointing right at it. It must have very low surface brightness.
It is not so hard under an 5.5 magnitude sky, even with a 4.5" Newton.
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Stephen65
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As a southerner my favourites are the Blue Planetary, Saturn, Eskimo, 8-Burst, Ghost of Jupiter and Helix nebulas.
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NGC 7293, the Helix. Easy in binocs and small scopes if the skies are dark enough, especially with a NB filter. A little more aperture helps for seeing the screwy details.
I concur, in fact, the helix is my favorite planetary of all when it comes to planetariesfor amateur scopes. In a dark sky it is easy to detect and each step up in instrument continues to show more detail.. Long live the Helix! Clear skies and cleanglass, The Unknown Astronomer aka Mike Planchon, Catseye Observaatory
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