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Amalia
   
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Pictures of our galaxy!
Observation Report 16. december 2004
Observation site: upon Amden, altitude 1200m, snowy moutains everywhere to be seen
seeing: bad (strong and cold wind)
darkness: > 6
temperature: -2° C (28 F)
humidity: humid
telescope: 12" f-5
used eyepieces: Pentax XL 40mm (38x), 21mm (71x), 14mm (107x), Radian 12mm (125x), Pentax XW 10mm (150x)
After some hours of sleep, I decided to start for the last observation for some time, knowing that the weather would be changing on the next day.
After a long trip on the foggy highway I arrived at my observation site. As I went out into the night I felt disappointed: the sky seemed much too bright.
Looking up I could see the mountains with some snow, down was the shiny lake and some lights. Lovely!
Despite my first impression of the sky I did the setup and at 3 o' clock I started my observation.
The galaxy pair M51 / NGC5195 in Canes Venatici was my first target - and I got my first surprise: I saw the spiral structur of the Whirlpool Galaxy with direct vision! So the night was not that bad at all! I could see the "bridge" between them nearly completely closed.
When I get such presents I just can't continue watching and have to go around to let my joy flow into the night. What a surprise! I had seen this wonderful spiral for the first time so clear!
It seems good to me to observe an object several times - it is like learning to see it. Later, at home, I watched a picture of M31 without thinking anything - zoingg! I saw the movement of the spiral arms on this picture for the first time... It is really about learning.
M101, the Pinwheel Galaxy in Ursa Major, has been many times my target, but I have never really enjoyed it. Tonight I finally got a fine view of it: Wooow, it is huge! I even saw the spiral arms, very faintly. M101 seemed to fill half of the field of view of my Pentax XL 14. I saw several knots in it. I could not believe my eyes - finally! I had seen it so many times as nebulous something - and now it jumped into my eyes! I recognized three spiral arms. I spent a long time admiring it, shielding my eyes with both hands. At the end of this very satisfying observation I felt: This is a very optimistic galaxy. A name came into my mind: The Galaxy of Good Hope.
The wind was strong tonight and very cold. I had my scope on the small road behind the car, which served as a windshield. But my head was still in the wind, and I made an interesting discovery: I was not able to observe with my Nagler eyepiece as my observing eye was hurting by the cold wind. Observing was only possible when I tightly embraced the high eyecups of the Pentaxes (or of my Radian). So this ergonomic thing is not only about comfort - in extreme situations like now, it simply is a must.
NGC2403 was next, a galaxy in Camelopardalis. I discovered many foreground stars, who made it difficult to understand the galaxy's form. After a while I discovered kind of arms. The stars were irritating me. So at the end I was only able to write "very special"... Then I changed eyepieces. I use to take the 40mm as a finder eyepiece. Then I had a last look at NGC2403 - surprise again! Now I could see it's form: It has a circular center surrounded by a rather broad concentrical ring!
Ursa Major's M109 was rather disapointing - I write it even if I don't like to think this word about a celestial object.
NGC2841 is another galaxy in UMa. It is an oval with a bright core, I could not make out any structures.
Visiting Ursa Major one should not forget to greet the galaxies M81 and M82. I found a galaxy, began to think: Now which one of the two is this - must be M82... Then I realized I had centered their neighbour, the fainter NGC3077. What a night! And now, as I had found M81 and M82, I simply was overwhelmed: They were so incredibly beautiful! M82, the Cigar Galaxy, full of details, the two dark lanes so good to be seen. And M81 showed one spiral arm with direct vision! Wow! Like on the photos!
I think this is - strangely enough - one of the biggest exclamations an astronomer can use: Like the photo!
I can only speak for myself, but these photos were very frustrating to me. You know, you watch a photo of a beautiful galaxy, like the Andromeda Galaxy M31. What a beauty! - but you are always, always aware: This is not for you, no, no - with your scope you will only see a little nebulous patch...
The only exception I know is the Orion Nebula, which I always found to be much more alive in a telescope than on any photo.
So this is why I enjoy my 12 inch scope so much: I start to see the photos - but live!
It was 5 in the morning now and time for tea on the heated seat in the car. I had some fun with myself: Have you ever tried to drink tea with a windproof balaclava? Try it, it's fun! So I pulled it down to be able to drink, but then it was covering my eyes, so up again, but this way I couldn't drink. It ended me drinking tea with covered eyes, which I found funny.
At 5.30 the sky was getting slightly brighter. I heard a woman calling. Later a car passed, so my darkness adaptation was gone.
I had a try at M106 in Canes Venatici and recognized only hints of a spiral arm.
I switched to open clusters. Last time I had not found NGC1664 in Auriga because of the too bright sky. Now I found it, but the sky was again too bright.
As I started to pack, the same car came down, stopped, and here stood a very friendly lady who was very curious about my being here in the night. I explained her what I was doing, and as I felt her getting more curious I pointed my dobson towards Saturn. At 214x I could hardly recognize the Cassini Division. She couldn't get enough of it, so I moved the dob for her, and we talked and she observed - and then she asked: What is this black line on the rings? My god, she really is a talented observer! She discovered the Cassini Division at this bad seeing! She seemed to be very happy and so we had a look at Jupiter. I felt sorry she has not been here earlier, as the sky was too bright to show her more. After a very nice discussion she leaved.
Now it was bright enough I could try to take some pictures of the view from my observation site. And I discovered that what I had thought to be the lake - in reality was not the lake at all. Have a close look! These are my pictures of our galaxy
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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And here another picture, closer.
Amalia Dancing in the Clouds
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half meter
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Very nice report, Amalia. If you could find an observing buddy, you could share what you see right away. Somehow, I don't think there are too many other observers with your energy level, so maybe that would limit your "nights out" too much. And please keep writing your reports for the rest of us
I have been traveling on business recently, and every time the plane takes off and sails up through the clouds, I think of Switzerland and your trips above the clouds to your observing sites. Your beautiful pictures look like views from a plane
-------------------- Gary
Collins I3 (Thin Film) Image Intensifying Eyepiece
Coronado Maxscope DS 90 <0.5A w/BF30
152 mm f/8 TMB/A&M Carbon Fiber APO; f/5 with 4" Borg ED Field Flattener/Reducer
20" Obsession/OMI Mirror/Servocat/Argo Navis
First Light for the 30" Obsession at BEOTS!
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Thick_asa_Planck
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Those photos are amazing Amalia! At first i thought it was just snow, but the floor is littered with white fluffy clouds - your observing site must be so awesome.
Lovely report as well, keep observing and sharing your great nights with us. It's particularly cool that you had someone to share things with, the woman must have sharp eyes to pick out the CD on a night of bad seeing!
The weather over here is changing for the better on Sunday, i can't wait to try and image Machholz 
Clear Skies
Alex
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desertstars
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Are you sure you weren't on the Moon, Amalia? That looks like a Sea of Clouds to me! 
Beautiful report. I agree that observing an object more that once is the best way to do this. You need to see in order to learn, but first you learn to see.
In a way my wife echoed your sentiments regarding M42 when I showed it to her this past weekend. When she expressed her delight I laughed and patted the 3-legged newt saying, "It's not the Hubble, but it'll do." But in her opinion this was better than the Hubble, since she was seeing it with her own eyes, "For real..." Other than Saturn, I think M42 is the object most likely to have this effect of people.
-------------------- Tom W.
SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars
"If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going." Professor Irwin Corey
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dgs©
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Wow that is some magical observing site! Wouldn't do for me to observe there with any moonlight around... it would be hard not to look down into the valley.
Sounds like a pretty good night if you subtract the wind... Bbbrrrr! -2°C doesn't sound too bad especially for in the mountains of Switzerland! We had ~ -1°C here in North Louisiana a couple of nights ago.
-------------------- - david
8"Ø Newtonian on SVP, Moonlite CR2, Telrad
PST Oberwerk Ultra 15x70 Orion Ultraview 10×50
Hand-me-down Sears Refractor (Discoverer) 60mm×900mm
"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world, remains and is immortal." --Albert Pike
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cildarith
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Thanks, again Amalia for sharing your observing experience with us. Your observing site is beautiful!
-------------------- Eric
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Memo
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That's really a wonderful place!! You have all my envy  Thanks for your reports, they're delightful to read. (to reading, for read? please correct me)  Best regards
-------------------- Guillermo Castaño (SIRIO)
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Amalia
   
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Gary,
thank you so much for answering me.
I did observe with others. But you know, with the new telescope I wanted to try it out alone. It is like being in the nature with somebody. One tends to be a world of its own and feel less of the outside world. I think I see better alone. But it depends, though, with somebody I can deeply trust I see good, too. Sharing can be fun, like when splitting double stars. Mmmh, good idea... I regret not having asked the open face lady after her phone number.
I will invite somebody!
Thank you, Gary!
Amalia
P.S. Maybe these pictures were shot from a witch's broom...?
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Amalia
   
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Hi Alex!
You thought it was snow - I felt the whole time attracted by this beautiful shore of the lake. It felt mediterreanian, warm and very inviting to me!
The lady was amazing, she was glowing with joy!
Thank you for encouraging me. I actually thought this would be my last report, I felt kind of getting repetitive. And you know, the reports start to auto-censure myself: I jump around - and immediatly after I think: How shall I explain this in English? When I read my finished report I feel proud. But after some hours they start to become so... poor... unclear... little... I could cry about it... I see and feel more than I can describe in English, in German I could be much more precise, paint with words.
I feel like reading Rilke, having some observation nights for myself, invite somebody - and then returning to CN.
Thank you for giving me courage to write again! (to you all, Gary, Alex, Tom, David, Eric and Guillermo!)
I hope you will be able to do your Machholz pictures!
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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O- ho, Tom!
I was much above the Moon 
We actually call this "Nebelmeer", which means exactly Sea of Clouds, as you write!
Saturn is truly a phenomenon visually seen. With my first scope I showed Saturn to our neighbour (many years ago). He was so deeply astonished, he first didn't say anything. Then he started to examine my little newtonian, saying: "This can not be true. This is not possible. You must have a dia (the little pictures you can project on a screen) somewhere!" And he continued seeking for it until I laughed (not very polite).
I think M42's photos are probably always overexposed.
I understand your wife: It is not the same to see a bear's picture - or to see it for real!
We all prefer to watch an object for half an hour to get the best view, assembled by our eyes and brain, I think.
What an incredibly mad and beautiful way to get to a true image!
Thank you very much, Tom!
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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Hi David!
It really is magic!
I had to look down all the time as I walk around a lot while observing, because I get so excited.
This is my new observing site I found this late summer, my favorite beside the one in the south.
The strange thing about this night is: I felt week and like getting a cold before I started that night. Now I feel just good!
Magic? Magic!
Thank you for answering me!
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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Thank you, Eric!
I have been asked to take a picture of it - but I didn't expect this at all!
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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Guillermo,
Thank you for your nice words! Please don't expect me to correct your English - I will do so only if you correct mine 
Amalia
(I think it is "to read")
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dgs©
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You people going on about your English needing correction. I'm always amazed that you are able to communicate so well in a 'second' language.
If this forum was based in any of your languages (French, German, Portugese, Spanish, Flemish,... ) it would be a pretty quiet place. Few of us in the US ever bother to learn any other languages, let alone become fluent in them. I wish I had put some effort into at least a couple. On my mother's side... her father was Italian and her mother Belgian, both first generation Americans. My grandfather's mother never learned English after she came to Pennsylvania. My grandmother only spoke Flemish until she started school. I know nothing of Flemish, and only cursory Italian. One of my younger cousins took a couple of years of Italian in college... I'm proud of her for that (among other things).
Ours is a country filled with people of widely varied cultural/political ancestry, and yet most don't bother to keep in touch with ancestral languages.
By the way... I definitely do NOT support the idea of moving here and NOT learning to speak English. Keep your old language alive, but learn the language of your adopted country as well. I'd say the same for anyone moving from here to any other country.
-------------------- - david
8"Ø Newtonian on SVP, Moonlite CR2, Telrad
PST Oberwerk Ultra 15x70 Orion Ultraview 10×50
Hand-me-down Sears Refractor (Discoverer) 60mm×900mm
"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world, remains and is immortal." --Albert Pike
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Amalia
   
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I agree with you, David.
The good thing about learning another language:
One learns to know another culture - so another way of feeling, thinking and behaving etc.
This opens one for other realities - creating tolerance.
But it is not easy - expressing myself in English I am very afraid of not being polite enough - or not polite in the right way. English speaking people have a quite different way to be polite. I find this difficult and asked other Swiss - they share this feeling. It is different.
Difficult to learn, too. Hardly anybody would tell you if you are not polite. They would just be quiet, as I experienced this.
Italians for instance are more clear - they correct you when you make a linguistic or behaviour mistake - in a nice way. Well, most of them do.
Difficult, but also interesting. Very.
Amalia
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poorman
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Amalia, je me demandais, ou est-ce que vous habitez en suiss? Il y a longtemps que j'ai habite a Champery comme moniteur du ski: Je le manque. J'aime toujours lire vote reportage, ils sont souvant vivant.
joyeux noel
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desertstars
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Quote:
Amalia, je me demandais, ou est-ce que vous habitez en suiss? Il y a longtemps que j'ai habite a Champery comme moniteur du ski: Je le manque. J'aime toujours lire vote reportage, ils sont souvant vivant. joyeux noel
If Amalia's next post uses the blushing graemlin, do we have to edit this message?
-------------------- Tom W.
SVP8 'She turned me into a 3-legged Newt' EQ
Ralph, the All-Purpose 102mm Refractor
Under the Desert Stars
"If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going." Professor Irwin Corey
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Amalia
   
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So I will answer in Swedish:
(please remember: Sweden is not Switzerland, Remy!)
Nej, nej, det var helt anständig vad han skrivade. Han frågar bara vår jag bor. Han åckso skrivar att han tycker om mina texter för dem är ofta livfulla.
No, no, it was totally decent what he wrote. He only asked me where I live. He wrote also that he likes my reports because they are often full of life.
Na nai, das woner gschribä hett isch aaschtändig gsii. Er frögt nume wonich wohnä. Und er schriibt au dass er mini Beobachtigsbricht schätzt, wiil sie oft läbig sind.
Now this was Swiss German.
Now French:
Non, non, ce qu'il a écrit montrait des bonnes manières. Il m'a demandé oû j' habite. Et puis il a aussi écrit qu' il apprécie mes rapports d' observation parce qu' ils sont souvent plein de vie.
Italian:
No, no, quello che a scritto lui è tutto ben educato. Lui chiede dove habito. E poi scrive anche che li piaciono i miei racconti delle mie osservazioni, perché sono spesso pieni di vita.
Now German:
Nein, nein, was er geschrieben hat war anständig. Er will bloss wissen, wo ich wohne. Er schreibt auch, dass er meine Beobachtungsberichte schätze, da sie oft lebendig geschrieben seien.
And Inuit (Eskimo language):
Akkkaappeli ura hattma du. Guittopek tezrde kuunka tolli molli zuuta. Guitopek tezrde kuunka poilo zurunkka osh kundu inu.
Well, one was a bluff...
Amalia
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Amalia
   
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Salut Poorman!
J' habite en Suisse allemande, mais je ne veut pas écrire oû - dans l'internet. Je ne connais pas Champéry, mais ça doit être très beau en hiver. Merci de m'avoir écrit! J' apprécie tes compliments!
Amalia
(I live in the German speaking part of Switzerland, but I don't want to write where - in the internet. I do not know Champéry, but it must beautiful in winter. Thank you for writing me. I appreciate your nice words!)
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