Philip Levine
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I am still new to observing, I've had my 10" push-to dob for 3 three years now (modified with azimuth circle on base, digital inclinometer - used with pda program Astromist, PocketStars). The biggest impediment to productive observing (mainly deepsky objects), is planning and preparing what objects to look for beforehand. I would love to hear what others have found works for them, for planning observing sessions beforehand. thanks, Phil
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Ray4852
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I use skytools software. I click on the object I want to see and I'm there in a minute.
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Patricko
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I just grab my star charts, red LED, 10X50s, the 60mm telescope and go. I'll locate an object on the charts and try to find it (or approximate location) with the 10x50s and then the telescope. I go in after to record my observations. Usually not much of a plan but it works.
-------------------- Clear skies,
Patrick
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Lard Greystoke
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First I plan on what Right Ascension (RA) is on the meridian when it gets dark. Right now objects from about 16-20 RA are overhead after dark.
Then I have photocopies of charts to about 7.5 mag with the brighter DSOs.
For fainter objects such as galaxies, 12.5 mag charts printed off from J R Torres' Triatlas.
-------------------- Lard Greystoke
10" Odyssey Compact
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Dean Norris
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Since last January I've been working on observing the 110 Messier objects. I currently have three left to see. M74,76 .and 77. When I finish this I will start on the brightest 100 NGC objects I guess. I also observe the moon and planets. So depending on the moon's phase determines what I go for. Dean
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JakeSaloranta
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It depends on what I'm doing.
If I'm just looking at something, I might have map of a specific region of the sky and just let the telescope loose.
If I'm checking minimum apertures, I have everything planned down to every star-hop and the schedule is quite busy. I do no longer like the 200-300 objects per night style so I mostly just take it easy and cruise the skies with no plan.
/Jake
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Jim Curry
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Phil: Many amateurs just getting into the hobby and looking for a disciplined way to observe start w/the Messier list. It's 109-110 of the skies best objects and will provide 2-4 items a night for you to find. You can supplement that with casual cruising or planet viewing. Unless you pull a marathon the list will take anywhere from 6-12 months to get thru. Supplementing this list with the Caldwell list will keep you pretty busy while you learn the night sky and develop your observing skills. After that we'll let you go out on your own
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HfxObserver
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Although I'm not a big fan of lists, if you are having trouble starting then hunt down the Messiers first, they give a sample of the common DSO's available.
These are great objects everyone should see eventually anyway but again I'm not a fan of lists and each list has it's short comings and misses a remarkable set of objects.
I look for objects closeby to other DSO's or objects that look interesting in images and then try to figure out their designations and hunt them down. It's amazing how many of these objects are not on most charts or software yet they are within reach of small scopes, at least more so then some objects on the charts!
Other times I sweep for objects, the other night I was observing the Butterfly Nebula off Gamma Cyg and noted a bright emission nebula in my sweep to the northwest, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that object is, but something called CR241 or something like that is in this area.
To provide an example of my plan for that night, I went out to observe the Butterfly Neb. as part of a list I'm working on. I planned to begin the session on the North American and Pelican which is my custom for this time of year since I love looking at that region. I then swung down to NGC 6144 next to Antares to test the sky clarity, and it was good for hunting the faint stuff so I went into Cygnus and observed my target and a couple other things nearby. With a new object well observed I cruised over to Ursa Major and Canes Ven. and took a quick look at all the Messiers in that part of the sky.
It was still clear but I had to work the next day so 12:30am was leave time. If there had been more time I'd have revisited some other objects I've seen only a few times before in order to dig deeper and more fully appreciate them.
-Chris
-------------------- Chris
7X50 Vixen,22X100 Antares
80mm William Optics Megrez II ED
Santel MK6
Borg 125SD f6 (Pentax/Oasis version)
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arpruss
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I use AstroInfo (Astromist will do it better, I expect) to create an observing list for the next time I go to dark site. I add items to the list that are mentioned on CN and seem interesting or that for some other reason I want to observe, as long as they are visible around my observing time. I also look at standard observing lists (Finest of NGC/IC, Messier, Splendours) for stuff I haven't seen. I sort the lists by altitude or brightness (going for the highest up or brightest things I haven't seen) to pick out what to add to my to-observe list. I may also check if there are any bright comets to look at (I use a script that accesses heavens-above.com and the Minor Planets Ephemeris Service and generates an AstroInfo database). Then when it's time to observe, I sort the list by altitude, RA, rise/set times or let AstroInfo find an optimized path. I tend to observe easier objects first, so it will be darker and I will be better dark adapted before I get to the harder ones. I check off items from my observing list as I do them. I am not much of a recorder, but sometimes I write a few words about the item in the observing list entry. For the last couple of months, I'd also flip to the messier list while on site, looking at which ones don't have checkmarks but are already up. But now they all have checkmarks. :-)
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Phred Smith
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I use a program called Astroplanner. It has over 120 catalogues to choose from and alot of premade (by users) observing plans.
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Ken....
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Having just started my Herschel 400 project, I use The Astronomer's Herschel 400 Journal put out by The American Association of Amateur Astronomers. I'll then use a planetarium program to determine which constallations will be optimally positioned, and select the objects by constellation.
-------------------- Ken....
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markan
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I'm brand new to astronomy. I've been using Stellarium to help me out. Open source.
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Javier
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My weekday time is very limited, usually an hour at best, so I have a plan for each session. I usually look at a star chart for my area and select one or two object only and then observer them.
While I'm still very new I have learned the hard way that for me it's better to observer one or two objects for a longer time and appreciate what I am observing than go through a one hour observing frenzy where I learn nothing at all.
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Cygnus_x1
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It depends. Usually I have a plan. I decide on a constellation, or a class of object with in a constellation (or constellations), and then choose the objects based on my Sky Atlas 2000.0 and Uranometria 2000.0. I make a list.
I find that if I don't plan a session, then I end up aimlessly jumping round the sky and this always results in a frustratingly unproductive session. However, sometimes I will do just that, usually at the end of a session.
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Tarzanrock
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Hi Phil: You may wish to try this website: www.calsky.com I've found it to be useful to generally begin the thinking process of what to look for (and at) during a particular time frame. Best regards, William
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Ptarmigan
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Kinda a mix of planning and spur the moment for me.
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PeterSurma
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Phil,
using lists is one method. If you're finished with one, use the next (level of list). However, to my taste this may get boring.
Another point of view is: what are you interested in ? I read articles (web, or books) and ask myself 'can I see those things in my Dob ?' E.g. star formation (try NGC 2261) or quasars (try 3C273) or NEOs or ... Then I do a bit of research to find out if and what objects might be suitable. Then I go for those and try to find further reading on those objects. To me this is much more rewarding on the long run. I also keep a list of objects I did (with refs to my reports) and a list of objects to be observed...
If you need more examples look at my list of objects I have observed (sorry most of my refs are german, but at least you'll have an impression and easily get some DSS shots if you need) Also try the DSB link, it's pretty useful for viewing object data.
http://eyes4skies.de/Internet/Astro/CrossRef/Crossref.htm
Another good way is: look at several members of an object class and compare how they look like: e.g. globular cluster
look at NGC 2419, M71 versus M15, G1 in M31 ...
Same for galaxies: try NGC 6822 - very interesting piece ! For reading try e.g.
http://www.astronomy-mall.com/Adventures.In.Deep.Space/barnard.htm
Or try
http://www.astronomy-mall.com/Adventures.In.Deep.Space/M33.HII-Star.Clouds.html
and look for the HII regions of M33... :-)
Lots to see in your 10inch !!! (all of the above actually) :-)
Good luck,
Peter
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Web: http://www.eyes4skies.de/home_EnglishVersion.htm
Scopes: From 3inch photographic APO to 20inch f/4 Dob
Edited by PeterSurma (07/22/09 05:28 AM)
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Dain
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Plan a session? Hmmm....
1.)What phase of the moon are we in? 2.)Check Clear Sky Clock. 3.)Check Wunderground.com 4.)All Clear? 5.)Time to hit the road.
-------------------- Best,
Dain
Adirondack Mountains (my true dark sky site)
@ Cedar River Flow
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RAKing
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I have created a list of my favorites over the years. It's in a spreadsheet and sorted bt RA. So my plan for any given night is fairly simple: I'll check the clock for LST and work off my list.
As I learn about new objects, I'll write them down and go for a look-see. If I like them, I'll add them to my list so I remember to look for them next time. My list is fluid and a lot of fun. 
To begin your own list, I suggest you start with the Messier list and go from there. There is a ton of material on these and most of them are very nice to look at.
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
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palsing
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Quote:
I have created a list of my favorites over the years. It's in a spreadsheet and sorted bt RA. So my plan for any given night is fairly simple: I'll check the clock for LST and work off my list.
As I learn about new objects, I'll write them down and go for a look-see. If I like them, I'll add them to my list so I remember to look for them next time. My list is fluid and a lot of fun. 
I do pretty much the same thing, but I collect my object ideas from sites like this one, Amastro, TAC, Astronomy and Sky & Tel, and several other places around the internet. Anywhere that I can find an observing report that contains something someone got excited about, well, that's where I get many of my ideas.
Then I make a document suitable for use right at the eyepiece, including a screen shot from either Megastar or Skytools with a DSS photo superimposed, and maybe include a little bit of someone's observing report. These are then printed out and slipped into those plastic sleeves, to protect them from dew, etc., and put into 3-ring binders. I call this my 'library'.
Although I have a largish dob, and therefore am always looking for really faint fuzzies, I neverhteless still have lots of cool things that can be seen by virtually any telescope.
I only mention all of this because I have recently established a web page and have uploaded many, many such documents. Find them here;
http://www.pnalsing.com/
Some of these docs are older and not particularly refined, but others offer some really cool objects. Take a look and tell me what you think, the feedback would be appreciated.
I'm not even close to being finished, this project will never be finished, so I will be adding to it all the time.
-------------------- Paul
25" Obsession
5.5" Newt - finder (Cometcatcher)
Hutech 22 X 100 binos w/LPS-P2 filters
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RAKing
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Paul,
Nice page. I keep all my notes and sketches in binders too, but nothing like this. You are way ahead of me!
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Tak FS-128, C925-CF, C6SE, other stray cats and refractors.
A-P Mach1 GTO
Zeiss orthos to Ethos - and some stuff in between.
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PeterSurma
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Hi Paul,
your site looks like a very valuable collection. Great link, I surely gonna browse through it ... Thanks a lot !
I also created similar notes for a while, but now completely switched to my web-based tool
http://eyes4skies.de/Internet/Astro/CrossRef/Crossref.htm
plus Guide 8.0 to create maps on the fly on my notebook. Actually I start Guide 8.0 (already pre-positioned on the concrete object) from my crossref webpage directly by clicking the NGC-links. Works excellent for me, and I also link my obsreports to it: although sorry, in english I can only offer:http://eyes4skies.de/Internet/Astro/BeobachtungsReports/BeobachtungsReports_files/BeobReport_2008_05_08_KABR_engl.htm
(tiny-sized crossref-links go back to the crossref page cited above)
Peter
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Web: http://www.eyes4skies.de/home_EnglishVersion.htm
Scopes: From 3inch photographic APO to 20inch f/4 Dob
Edited by PeterSurma (07/24/09 11:07 AM)
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Carol L
   
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At any given time, i have a list of at least 1/2 dozen targets waiting to be sketched, and also have a seasonal 'standby' list containing targets i'd like to re-investigate if a night has better than average seeing or transparency. Then there's Jupiter's activities to watch for (GRS transits, moon shadow transits, new impact marks ), and plenty of satellite fly-bys to watch for.
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Starman1
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Planning? Simple. 1) use a planisphere to see what constellations are on/near the meridian (imaginary N-S line) at the hour of the night that astronomical twilight ends on the date of your observing session. 2) Write down the constellations from north to south along the meridian at that hour. 3) repeat the above for one hour later and continue until astronomical morning twilight begins (who knows how late you'll stay up?). 4) Now, use an observing list like the one on the Saguaro Astronomy Club's website(highly recommended), and sort the list by contellation. 5) looking at the magnitudes of each object, choose 2-5 bright objects in each constellation going from north to south. 6) repeat for the skies one hour later. 7) repeat until you have a fairly long list of objects to observe. 8) Print the list for the field.
Will you observe them all? Probably not. If you do, you will have had an incredibly productive observing session. But even if you only see 5-8 objects per hour, you will have seen a lot by the time dawn comes.
Save the list of objects for the next new moon period, crossing off the objects recorded. Repeat the above steps to add to the list to increase the number of choices. Some constellations will no longer be up during the next month's new moon and some new ones will appear.
Why stick to the meridian? Because every scope sees every deep-sky object best when it is on the meridian and in its highest position relative to the horizon. This will give you a leg up when looking for details in each object. Also, your scope will essentially be going back and forth along the meridian, making obstructions like trees along the horizon less consequential.
What happens if, after a few years, your list of new objects begins to have only the fainter objects on it? (I'm in that boat, now, nearly 11,000 objects later). Well, then spend some of each observing night looking at eye candy. After becoming experienced at looking at the faint "breath on the eyepiece" objects, the brighter stuff will appear spectacular. You'll want to go back and redo your notes from earlier (what was I, blind?) because you'll see more, and you'll be branching out into some exotic lists of objects to observe.
And, every now and then, take a night to relax and peruse your star atlas or observing book to get some ideas for next month.
All this presumes you travel to see dark skies. If you have dark skies in your backyard, you can run through your list any clear night. Oh, and I hate you.....
-------------------- Don Pensack
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izar187
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..... 4.)All Clear? 5.)Time to hit the road.
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Exactly! Just check to make sure Uranometria is still tucked behind the front seat.
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30 years observing.
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HellsKitchen
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I just write up a hit list. If I'm doing galaxy clusters, I print out a DSS image and use it to get my bearings at the eyepiece.
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markan
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I'm trying AstroPlanner. I've put together my list, now the weather needs to cooperate
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Dain
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First...I'm always reminded how the CSC looks on my sig line. I'll take it from there.
-------------------- Best,
Dain
Adirondack Mountains (my true dark sky site)
@ Cedar River Flow
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ensign
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I use a number of references, printed and Internet. Good examples are Walter Scott Houston's "Deep Sky Wonders", Sue French's Small Scope Tours, articles from Sky & Tel, etc.
Using the references along with a monthly sky chart to determine visibility of constellations, I'll plan a session so that I have a mixture of 2 or 3 new/challenge objects along with a sightseeing tour of more familiar objects.
I then find the objects on my Pocket Sky Atlas or Sky Atlas 2000 so that I have an idea of where they are. I make a list showing the designation and the atlas page and take the list with me when I observe.
Sometimes the sessions go as planned, sometimes not. Regardless, I generally have a great time under the night sky.
-------------------- - Mike
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William Optics Megrez 110/EZTouch
Nagler Type 4 - 12,17,22
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alanon
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There is another resource right here on cloudy nights that can be used for a target guide. Check out Tom Trusock's "Small Wonders." I find the seasonal and by constellation format to be fun if you are not on the quest to complete lists.
-------------------- Alanon the Wizard (a literary character, not the organization)
Dan
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bper
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I usually try the method many others here have talked about. If I don't have something specific that I want to observe, I find a constellation near the Zenith or well placed in the sky.
I open my Sky Atlas 2000 to that constellation and usally start with something bright. Say the Big Dipper is well pleaced for viewing, I might start with M101, then using my SA2000, I try to find as many of the little galaxies near it that I can.
I find this very challenging and it gives me something new to look at, instead of the same old Messiers night after night. Some of these NGC galaxies are very dim, but some are pretty nice. If I need a little more detail, I open my Uranometria altas - Bruce
-------------------- Bruce Perrault
The Cowiche Astronomer
Yakima Astronomical Society
Goldendale Observatory State Park
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Hyperion
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Most often I use Deepskylog (www.deepskylog.be) for making observation lists. It is a very versatile web site. Not only let it generate you lists but also you can log your observations. And watch observations made by others. I really deeply respect the Belgian developers of this site. In the field I use the Pocket Sky Atlas and photocopies of specific pages from the Star Guide by Szabó. The pages of that atlas aren't coated and therefore not appropriate to be used in the wet nights in Holland.
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Astraforce Paul
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As a change of pace, I often mine constellations... pick a constellation that's well placed for the evening and observe its best and brightest, especially a diverse collection of objects (double stars, clusters, galaxies, etc.)
Some great observing guide books for helping with that are Eicher's Universe from My Backyard and Sanford's Observing the Constellations. Sanford's has the advantage of Tirion star charts (Eicher's has odd, older looking cruder drawings as star maps). It also a good double star list. But Eicher's often discusses more objects and at greater length. They complement each other well.
In the more cryptic category is The Observer's Sky Atlas: With 50 Star Charts Covering the Entire Sky by Erich Karkoschka. It's another good one, with helpful finder charts.
A non-book approach for this is using Astrocards, organized by constellation. You can simply take out, in your pocket, a collection of the 3x5 cards for the constellation(s) you are interested in. If you get their NGC, Messier, and double star sets, you'll have lots to look at.
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