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So, as I was in the vacinity of "The Twins" last night, looking at Saturn for the first time (a big WOW, btw), I decided to take advantage of the quick break in the clouds and attempt to find NGC 2392. Mind you, I was armed only with a 20mm Hyugen and a cheap 3X barlow for my 4.5" newt, but I refused to let that stop me. I refered closely to three different charts and made my move. There I found what first appeared to be a double star. But upon further fucus, one of the stars seemed quite fuzzy while the other retained pinpoint sharpness. Not very impressive, I know, but I feel quite confident that this was the Clown/Eskimo nebula. That big thing up there with all those points of light is actually starting to make a tiny bit of sense. 
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It does indeed sound like you NGC 2392. Congratulations!
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Not very impressive, I know, but I feel quite confident that this was the Clown/Eskimo nebula. That big thing up there with all those points of light is actually starting to make a tiny bit of sense.
Good try! The 4.5" Newt should be able to give you an impressive view of the Eskimo providing you give it a good enough magnification. All you need is to invest in good set of Plossl eyepieces and barlow next. Start at 110x or higher, you should be able to see its bright central star.
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That sounds like the Clown Face (NGC 2392) to me. You got it, all right. Right now, it sits just about a degree and a half northeast of Saturn. In my 32mm plossl, I can get it in the same field of view as Saturn if I position Saturn near the lower-left edge of the FoV. I have a 4.5" Newt as well, and it shows up quite readily in it, and will hold fairly high magnification without breaking down.
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re: So, as I was in the vacinity of "The Twins" last night, looking at Saturn for the first time (a big WOW, btw), I decided to take advantage of the quick break in the clouds and attempt to find NGC 2392...
Saturn doubles as a great guidestar to ngc2392 for the next several weeks, currently floating about a degree north of the Eskimo.
A beautiful but dimmer Albireo-esque double SAO 79401 (mags 7 and 10 @ 35") can also be found within a quarter-degree NW of Saturn, which makes another close pass by the 8th mag. open cluster ngc2420 in May.
Happy hunting!
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Good try! The 4.5" Newt should be able to give you an impressive view of the Eskimo providing you give it a good enough magnification. All you need is to invest in good set of Plossl eyepieces and barlow next. Start at 110x or higher, you should be able to see its bright central star.
Ron B[ee]
As a matter of fact, I ordered some Knight Owl MC Series pieces earlier that day (32mm, 20mm, 15mm, 3x Barlow, 45deg Erecting Prism), and they sould be here any day now. Mediocre quality I'm sure, but no doubt far better than the H20mm, SR4mm, plastic 3x Barlow set I'm currently using. At $89 for the set of five pieces, I decided it to be worth the risk. At the very minimum they claim blackened edges and full multicoating with a tried and true plossl design. Fingers are crossed and eyes are patiently waiting. 
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... Mediocre quality I'm sure, but no doubt far better than the H20mm, SR4mm, plastic 3x Barlow set I'm currently using.
Do you have a Bushnell 4.5" reflector? I got the exact same eyepeices with my scope, and they're all garbage with the exception of the H20. I got rid of all of them and replaced them with second-hand plossls. Check out the view of the Double Cluster in the 32mm when you get it. Amazing.
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Hello Chopin,
Great job finding the Clown. That's one down and about a zillion to go. About the eyepieces. You really can not ever go wrong with a plossl imho. Let us know what you see next!
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For Darren, yes it is the 4.5" Northstar Goto from Bushnell. The scope seems fine, only the accessories appear to be of poor quality. Now that the EPs are replaced, my goal is to replace the "Kinematic" (AKA Alt-Az) mount with a motor driven EQ.
And to Rainmaker, thanks for the optimism on a long road ahead (  )
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The first time i saw the eskimo was on a night of exceptional seeing and transparency at a super dark site. i accidentally found itin my 10" when i bumped the scope looking at saturn. if you think it was cool in a 4.5" you should see it in a larger scope. the inner ring had the shape one sees in photos. it actually had a clown-esque look to it, and it was a pale green color.
I can only imagine what it would look like in a big scope... ha ha
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I'd love to see what a bigger scope could do, but I'm trying to learn to do with what I have. I figure, if I'm still "gung ho" about this two years from now, I might have a chance getting my personal accountant (AKA my lovely wife ) to agree to let me spend some cash on a bigger scope. I'll bet the 10" alots for breathtaking views on many nebulae.
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ha ha ha Chopin!!! You think you are going to make it two years without buying a bigger scope?????? A little naive maybe... It is ok. The longer you go without looking through a bigger scope, the more likely you will be able to resist.. :-)
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That's my theory. The longer I can put off trying out someone else's 16" Newt, the better! Of course, with a bigger scope comes better EP's too, right?
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well, actually i would reccomend the smaller the scope, the bigger the EPs. In fact, I think you should make it a goal so that each of your eyepieces are worth more the scope.
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I thought about that. $200 Bushnell, meet Mr. Naggler. But then again, I won't see any expensive upgrades until after our Aniversary in August. I've been secretly socking away $20-40 a week since November, for that Aniversary ring she wants. I'm up to $500 now, and I can tell you that I quietly dream of all the things I could buy with that cash. Hmmm, Orion 10" Newt, TV radians... 
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$500... 31mm Nagler??? ha ha ha
the wife doesn't need a ring, she would much rather have a nagler.
Does anyone remember the simpsons episode where Homer bought Marge a bowling ball stenciled with his name for her birthday? ha ha ha ha
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Don't laugh (or DO, I know I am ). My Father-in-Law was renownwed, for years, for doing just that. A few x-mases ago he gave her a $400 Technics soround sound receiver, no lie! He really is a good guy, but man, that was pretty bold! 
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ha ha ha Chopin!!! You think you are going to make it two years without buying a bigger scope?????? A little naive maybe... It is ok. The longer you go without looking through a bigger scope, the more likely you will be able to resist.. :-)
Been over two years now with a Bushnell 4.5" Newt. I have got aperture fever bad, but my finances being what they are, it will have to do.
And as I have yet to exhaust the catalogue of fine objects visible in this scope, I don't really mind. I haven't even got half the Messiers yet!
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Nice reply, coming from one of the few fellow 4.5" Bushnell users around here  . I hope I too can hold out. I am weak though, and the thought of nearly doubling my mirror's surface area by jumping to a 6" alone makes these feeling very difficult to control  
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Chopin
Just want to say thanks for the post.
After reading it I waited for the 1st clear night and went looking for the clown/eskimo nebula.
Using Saturn as a guide I found it easily. At first it looked like a double star but I realised that one of the 'stars' wouldn't focus.
I checked my astro software to confirm the location and could see I was right on the spot.
I usually look at double stars from my site as living in London can make looking for DSO's a VERY frustrating exercise.
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Thank you for this post,
I was looking for the eskimo last week on a relatively good night, and never found it... I now wonder if I wasn't looking right at it and just not giving it enough magnification. I kept studying a double star, but didn't think that was it. No way to know except to try again on the next good night.
By the way, this is one wife who would LOVE a Nagler more than diamonds (though those are nice, too...), and I got flowers for the latest anniversary!! In all fairness, my husband and I both are diligently trying to reign in the extra spending (dualling hobbies, you know...)with the intent of buying a house a bit farther from the city lights than we are now. That should have more impact on my views than any Nagler I keep telling myself...
anyway, maybe I'll get the chance to look tonight - thanks
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You know jlyn, I think those of us who don't have Naglers, just keep fooling ourselves into believing the EP isn't "that" important . Good luck on the house.
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I have heard good things about the Night Owl EPs, and in fact was in the process of getting the 15mm SuperView last Friday when I got a little sidetracked. I'm still going to order the 15, but am trying to decide on a 32mm plossl (or something in that range, I forget what focal lengths the KnightOwls come in...) if I can't find something with a bit wider field used... Anyway, I'll be placing an order to him in a few days for one or both.
I looked for the nebula last night, and still no luck. There were thin clouds, but I had to try. I have seen the Ring quite well even from my light polluted location; I wonder if this one will show up similarly, or is it going to be much fainter or smaller?
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Sorry I can't help you determine ease of finding the Eskimo. I've not spotted the Ring yet, and finding the Eskimo was sheer luck in my 4.5". If you find that double again, it seems to be a little less than a degree down and to the left of the double. You should be able to see some minor detail in your scope. My scope? Just a fuzzy dot. Hopefully someone else has a better answer.
As for the 32mm KnightOwl Plossl, it is currently my favorite piece. Sharp images right to the edge, and great contrast. Since my Bushnell is an f/8 scope, I'm not itching for any wide angles, although I've read that others are quite pleased with the Superviews, price not withstanding.
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re: I have seen the Ring quite well even from my light polluted location; I wonder if this one will show up similarly, or is it going to be much fainter or smaller?
Hi jlyn-
Ngc2392 is a magnitude dimmer and much smaller than m57.
Under dark, transparent skies it will only have a fuzzy stellar appearance, sometimes showing a bluish-gray color.
Thru smaller scopes at medium power some structure/outer mottling and the central star become visible. Larger apertures and increased power finally bring out the Eskimo's Eyes and Parka.
Confirming it's location is the main challenge. The detail will come with higher power, averted vision, and patience.
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Under dark, transparent skies it will only have a fuzzy stellar appearance, sometimes showing a bluish-gray color...
Saber
Thanks - often having an idea what I'm looking for is about as important as knowing where to look...I suspect there is just too much light in my yard to catch this one, but I won't give up just yet.
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re: I suspect there is just too much light in my yard to catch this one, but I won't give up just yet.
That's the spirit  In fact, I'm guessing you've already had ngc2392 in your scopefield but weren't sure which suspect deserved a closer inspection.
The Eskimo lies just over a half-degree SSE of 5th mag 63Geminorum. Saturn is currently floating about the same distance north of 63Gem.
Even under moderately light polluted skies your 8" should detect its fuzzy glow.
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