Echo
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Observing report for January 18th.
Tonight was the night of our astronomy club's January star party. It was a beautiful night. The transparency was about the best I have seen in our valley. The site was fairly dark. The temperature was around 29F. I received my new Thinsulate Glommits from Cabela's just in time. There was a bit of light reflecting off the lake but it didn't seem to interfere too much with viewing. I cleaned the corrector plate on my scope this week and was anxious to see if it would provide better views. It sure did! The early part of the evening was spent sharing views with some locals who were very interested in our club and what the different types of scopes we owned were capable of showing. Thanks to all my friends at Cloudy Nights I was able to answer technical questions. We had fun comparing views between my SCT and a Vixen FL102.
The Andromeda Galaxy was very nice at 140x. Encouraged by this, I went over to the Sculptor Galaxy. It was less bright than Andromeda but mottling was quite obvious across the nucleus. I'm not normally a big fan of galaxies, but the seeing was good and the transparency was great so I took a look at M51. Wow! Both galaxies were extremely clear and we could make out the faintest of spiral structures. I was very excited as I have always wanted to see the arms of a galaxy. Next stop was M81. Absolutely beautiful at 140x. M82 was the biggest shock of the entire night. The unusual structure of the object was very clear, even with direct vision. Everyone who came over to have a look would back up, shake their head and go back for another look. M78 was very interesting. The nebulosity was much more obvious from this location. Dark skies truly do make a difference. Two stars, like eyes, were peeking out. I have to say that this object is rather creepy looking! The Owl Nebula was fun. We could not see the eyes but enjoyed the view nonetheless. I installed my focal reducer and took my first ever look at the Christmas Tree cluster. It still didn't look much like a tree. This is the main drawback to my scope. The narrow field of view makes clusters rather difficult. I had a friend locate it in their Dob so I see the entire cluster. I understand now why this is such a popular object. Jupiter was like a jewel in the sky. I tried out the Mars filter From Sirius Optics and was very pleased with the performance. It cut the glare and made the bands really stand out. I will definitely use this filter on Jupiter quite often. With the filter still installed I swung the scope over to Saturn. The violet color and dimming nature of the filter are not suited to Saturn at all. It changed the view from crisp and clean to more of a soft, pastel watercolor. M45 was glorious with it's wash of blue color and bright stars.
I must say this was a spectacular evening. Cleaning the corrector plate made a definite difference, my new gloves were warm and toasty and I acheived a major milestone in seeing so much detail in M51.
-------------------- Queen of GOTO
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summitlake
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Congratulations Tina on a successful night of viewing! Great write-up; I really enjoyed reading it and thanks for taking the time!
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Alex
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Orion 127mm Mak
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777Guy
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Tina, Great report! You logged quite an assortment of objects and sounds like you had a good time. I suppose the go-to function really expedites finding objects of interest especially on a night when you can squeeze alot of viewing in.I spend most of my time just trying to find objects of interest, a go-to capability would be nice. I have only had the pleasure of looking through an old 11 inche SCT 15 years ago and had a tremendous view of Saturn. Other than a great view of Saturn I noticed that the FOV was very narrow, does that ever bother you? If I can afford it someday, I am leaning towards an SCT on a go-to mount. Oh well, I can always dream. Take care, Jim
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michaeloconnell
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Tina, Sounds like u had a great night. It's lovely to see the spiral nature of M51. Really satisfying. I find that it takes a really clear night for my LX90 to pick out the detail. I have to agree with u on the narrow FOV of these scopes. I tried looking at M44 over the weekend and even with the focal reducer and 32mm eyepiece, I still couldn't get it all in. Some nights I just bring out my 4.5" f8 for looking at all the large DSOs. You probably find the same with your 4.5".
-------------------- Michael
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Jacques
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Great report Tina! Dark skies, corrector cleaned, you had a blast, it shows! Sounds like M78, M82 and M51 were a completely new visit experience. The 'wow' says it all
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Echo
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Jim, On nights like that goto is a big asset. The more I see, the more I want to get the scope out. The views are a bit narrow in the SCT but the trade off in terms of aperture and ease of set up more than make up for it. A focal reducer and a few widefield eyepieces can make a big difference. I'd like to get a small refractor to ride around on the SCT. Then I feel like I will have the best of both worlds. We had quite a range of SCTs out there and it was fun to compare the views. There were three Meade LX200s, an 8", my 10" and a 12". Going from the 8" to the 10", and the 10" to the 12" did not seem very drastic. Going from the 8" to the 12" was shocking. The 12" is a truly marvelous scope but it takes two people to safely set it up.
-------------------- Queen of GOTO
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Special Ed
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Hi Echo,
I enjoyed reading your detailed report--sounds like a great night!
The Sculptor Galaxy (NGC 253) became an instant favorite with me after viewing it for the first time last summer with a 15" reflector under near perfect conditions.
Did you know that NGC 253 was discovered by Caroline Herschel in 1783 as she searched for comets?
Good luck with your future observations.
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Michael Rosolina
8" f/10 Orange Tube SCT
4.25" f/4.2 Astroscan Reflector
SVP 3.6" f/13.6 CA Reflector
40mm PST f/10
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Canon 12x36 IS II binoculars
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Carolyn
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Fantastic report as always.
I am hoping for clear skies tonight. I had a great view of Saturn on Saturday night but the clouds moved in right after I moved the scope out. So I move the scope back in.
-------------------- The inside of a pumpkin is where the universe went terribly wrong.
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Tina, great report...hope to hear even better news from Kitt Peak! Thanks for sharing the thrill of the night!
Ever consider putting an 80mm short tube like the SV nighthawk on your scope?
-------------------- Tom
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Peter Argenziano
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Tina,
Enjoyed reading your report... again!
I need a star fix. I'm in the DC area on business this week. I have a lot of respect for amateurs in this part of the country, as it's been cold and cloudy all week long.
Can't wait to get back under my southwestern skies!
Peter
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matt
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I told you Tina - observing faint fuzzies rocks! It's such a humbling experience.
-------------------- Matt
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desertstars
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Quote:
Can't wait to get back under my southwestern skies!
I don't know how to break this to you, but have you checked our southwestern forecast lately? 
Well, at least we aren't freezing!
-------------------- Tom W.
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Quote:
I need a star fix. I'm in the DC area on business this week. I have a lot of respect for amateurs in this part of the country, as it's been cold and cloudy all week long.
And I was just commenting to my wife how this is the most clear nights I've seen since I lived in Florida. You should see it when it's really cloudy! And cold? I was out for 6 hours last Friday night- a balmy 12 degrees. But I'll bet there were observers out up north in REAL cold. It gets a whole lot worse than here, as I'm sure others will attest. You take what you can get (which sometimes isn't much). What bothers me most, though, about this area so far is the poor seeing. I'm waiting for adaptive optics to come down several million dollars in price (10 years?).
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Peter Argenziano
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Quote:
I don't know how to break this to you, but have you checked our southwestern forecast lately?
I did now...
Peter
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Dennis
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Enjoyed reading your report Echo! What a great night! Congradulations on your new equipment (gloves). I've had my scope for about a week and I've made a list of your targets for my next night out. Jupiter is just about to get above the trees by ~11pm, so I'll get to see that little jewel shortly. Here in Mass, the seeing have been hampered by strong winds. With the cold, I'm forced to use big fat gloves, and use a eraser end of a pencil to push my controller buttons. Haven't gone above 150x until last night when I locked on Saturn at ~300X. It was my first glimpse with decent seeing ... wow. I could stare at it all night. Very clear Cassini band and some surface bands. Fortunately, a cloud front sped in at 11:15pm and sent me off to bed. (Did I really say fortunately?) I certainly would have been out all night.
Looking forward to your next report ...
-------------------- Dennis
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werewolf6977
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Tina,
That's why I'm starting to save for my Deep Space Hunter 10". I love my Nexstar, but would like more aperture, and lots more FOV. Keep the reports coming. Pete
-------------------- Pete
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Starhopper 6" Dob - "Shiva"
Spaceprobe 130 EQ - "Spacey"
Bushnell Fatboy
The Abomination
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10X25 Bushnell Camo Roofies
7X35 Tasco Classic Plastic (good views though)
7X42 Tasco Rare Bird
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matt
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I'm really after you tonight Pete!
Piece of advice Pete, coming from a guy who has owned 60mm, 80mm, 90mm, 4 1/2", 5", 6", 8", 10" and 16" scopes (looks like I need to try a 12"): the improvement from 8 to 10" is not huge, especially if you feel like lugging an 8" outside is too worrisome. 4" to 6" is big, 6" to 8" is significant, 8" to 10" is marginal.
So here's the idea: you save a little longer for a Hardin or even better a Discovery 12". Your satisfaction is guaranteed, or your 156 posts back ! Or you want to be in the same budget, then you downsize to a nexstar 5 for the quick out looks and use the extra money for a 12". Been there, done that: if you have two scopes too close in aperture, you will always have a bitterly underused one. My 0.02 Euros...
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Anonymous
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Tina, that was a great report. Galaxies are Greaat! I love' em. I don't know which I like better; trying to find the faint nebulae or the galaxies.
Glad you had a good time!
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Echo
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Pete, I have to agree with Matt. I had my 10" set up next to an 8" and a 12". There was little difference between the 8" and 10" and the 10" and 12". The 8"-12" was a different story. Unless you are at altitude in totally dark skies, your 8" scope is more than plenty. I would never buy a 12" scope, but would get a 14" if I could lift it.
-------------------- Queen of GOTO
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Anonymous
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Wonderful report Echo. I've never seen galaxies in the way you descibe them. As I read your post I could imagine what the viewing was like that night. Thanks for your excellent report.
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