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Saclablue
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NEED HELP!!!
      #5675447 - 02/12/13 09:30 AM

Hi there everyone, looking for a little feed back as to what i should do. I have an oportunity right now to pick up an SBIG ST-8300 for 2000, or should i buy a nice DSLR camera. So many toys, so little time.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5675464 - 02/12/13 09:41 AM

OSC or mono? What do you want to image?

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5675466 - 02/12/13 09:42 AM

The newer, better STF-8300 is on sale now for less than $2k brand new. A little info on what you plan to do with it would be helpful.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Mike7Mak]
      #5675573 - 02/12/13 10:47 AM

Deep sky, galaxies, planetary nebula's and some bright emission nebulas of course. But mostly DSO's

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5675589 - 02/12/13 10:57 AM

What do you get for $2k? Seems expensive unless it comes with other items.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5675618 - 02/12/13 11:12 AM

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Deep sky, galaxies, planetary nebula's and some bright emission nebulas of course. But mostly DSO's




Welcome to CloudyNights!

Both DSLR and CCD will do just fine on DSOs.

BUT... if you are planning to go the mono CCD route you need to consider filters as well.

A DSLR will give you a wider field of view but a mono CCD will give you way more detail. The jury is still out on the DSLR vs. OSC (color CCD).

Timmins, Ontario... eh... go figure... I'm originally from Kap

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Saclablue
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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: guyroch]
      #5675690 - 02/12/13 11:56 AM

Yes, i understande i will need LRGB filters, as i already have 2" Lumicon O-III, HA, UHC, and an Orion H-Beta. All i need now is the SII. I am certainly not new to astronomy, just looking for an opinion on wheither to get the SBIG STF-8300m while its on sale or invest on a nice DSLR, say like a Canon 60Da or something for imaging DSO's

Kap eh!!! lol, were are you now?

Edited by Saclablue (02/12/13 12:00 PM)


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5675723 - 02/12/13 12:15 PM

A modded T2i, T3i or T4i would outperform the 60Da for half the price (or 1/4 used). Don't assume you have to spend that much on an DSLR for astro. I've started with DSLR's. They are very capable cameras and don't have a huge learning curve. The software to run them is cheap, but capable. But, being a color camera, they are limited in their sensitivity.

Now the learning curve on the STF-8300m will be much larger. I'd be reluctant to suggest buying it without an integrated filter wheel, guider, etc... So To get the most out of the STF, you would be at around $4k. With narrowband filters, it will allow you to get more out of light polluted skies.

The SBIG is a better camera, Whether it's $3500 much better is up to you.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5675760 - 02/12/13 12:34 PM

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Yes, i understande i will need LRGB filters, as i already have 2" Lumicon O-III, HA, UHC, and an Orion H-Beta. All i need now is the SII. I am certainly not new to astronomy, just looking for an opinion on wheither to get the SBIG STF-8300m while its on sale or invest on a nice DSLR, say like a Canon 60Da or something for imaging DSO's

Kap eh!!! lol, were are you now?




I've been in Ottawa since '87 Actually I'm from Val-Rita but I always say Kap

Well... if you're looking at image quality the STF-8300m will provide that for sure, well beyond what any DSLR will offer. Not to say that a DSLR can not produce quality images, they sure can and they've been tried, tested, and true. But it's hard to have a DSLR come out a winner when compared against a mono CCD.

If you want the best of both world and $ is not an object, I would get the STF-8300m while it's on sale and buy a used T2i and have it modified. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Footbag]
      #5675762 - 02/12/13 12:35 PM

I love my mono 8300 and it's the original flavor. I'm one that favors the mono approach if possible. One thing I want to mention, is that if you are getting mono you MUST use 'imaging filters' and not those equivelent you use for visual. All filters are not created equal.

In my case I have terrible light pollution and good filters make all the difference. (talk about expen$e!, look at the astrodon 3nm narrowband filter co$t) There is still a lot I cannot do, but what I can do I am happy with, most of the time.

Hope that helps.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5675952 - 02/12/13 02:21 PM

Light pollution is no object up here in northern canada. i am in a perfect dark sky area. The milky way is easily and eye fillingly visible on any given clear night, even right in town it is visible. Now i have a T3i canaon, but i can not get it to take more than a 30 second exposure or so. on ISO 100. What is this modification to the camera every one keeps talking about? I have a t-ring adapter and a prime focus and eyepeice adapter for it but had only poopy results with it at best, nothing clear or nice like everyone elses DSLR pictures i see. Thus the reason i have have given up on this particular Camera. Wife loves it for taking pictures of flowers and stuff though.

Edited by Saclablue (02/12/13 02:43 PM)


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5676047 - 02/12/13 03:12 PM

Even in excellent dark skies a light pollution filter will always help. I always use one, regardless of where I'm at.

Take a look this site for information about modifying your DSLR.
http://ghonis2.ho8.com/rebelmod450d17.html

If you plan to continue using your DLSR, have it modified, don't even consider not to. You'll love it and you'll never look back

Guylain


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: guyroch]
      #5676109 - 02/12/13 03:40 PM

A 30 second exposure on iso 100 won't give you much detail. The guy from Kap has a program that should help with your DSLR - surprised he didn't mention it .

By the way, I'm from south of you guys - North Bay.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: TimN]
      #5676141 - 02/12/13 03:54 PM

Nice, I asume your with Norht bay astronomy club? I was Talking with Mr. Rosco a few days ago. I aswell as a few others are starting an astronomy club here in Timmins. But as far as iexposures with our DSLR all attempts have been futile. A 30 second exposure at ISO 100 still renders the best image it can produce, must be the user. lol

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5676150 - 02/12/13 04:00 PM

You should be at iso 400 at least. I'm not sure what the unity gain for your camera is, but its likely 400-800. Then buy Backyard EOS and use it to take lots and lots of exposures.

Then use Deep Sky Stacker to stack your exposures.

Your equimpment is more then capable, you just need to learn and practice.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5676158 - 02/12/13 04:04 PM

No, I was a member about 50 years ago. I moved from North Bay after High School and now that I'm retired I moved back to the area. I'm currently about 20 kms west of South River, in the middle of nowhere, kinda snowed in and hoping for some clear skies. Looks like its Cloudy Nights for my astronomy fix for the next while.

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Saclablue
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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: TimN]
      #5676229 - 02/12/13 04:37 PM

So, back to the topic, lol Should i grab that STF-8300m while its on sale or look to invest in a good DSLR and have it modified?

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5676295 - 02/12/13 05:04 PM

A DSLR is much less expensive and easier to learn with. The CCD camera requires 36mm filters (LRGB and/or Ha, SII, OII) plus the filter wheel.

Edit: The CCD camera you are looking at requires the 36mm filters...not all CCD cameras

Edited by terry59 (02/12/13 06:28 PM)


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5676362 - 02/12/13 05:54 PM

I agree with Adam. You should be able to do much better with your DSLR, especially if you use at LEAST ISO 400, capture with BackyardEOS then stack with DSS. After you get that mastered, you can decide your upgrade path. As Terry says, the DSLR is easier to start with and you already have it.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: TimN]
      #5676490 - 02/12/13 07:50 PM

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I agree with Adam. You should be able to do much better with your DSLR, especially if you use at LEAST ISO 400, capture with BackyardEOS then stack with DSS. After you get that mastered, you can decide your upgrade path. As Terry says, the DSLR is easier to start with and you already have it.




I agree too, buy BackyardEOS so I can buy a case of beer for the weekend

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: guyroch]
      #5676652 - 02/12/13 09:50 PM

How exactly is a DSLR 'easier to learn' than a CCD?

They are virtually the same thing except cooled CCD astrocams are actually designed for the job. DSLRs are handicapped from the git-go by lower bit depth, daylight oriented in-camera processing, non-standard file formats, larger mechanical backfocus, hard to control thermal issues, and limited spectral range.

IMO, it's a bit like playing golf with a croquet mallet.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Mike7Mak]
      #5676673 - 02/12/13 10:02 PM

A CCD is much easier than DSLR. Images from CCD are also easier to process. Only thing going for DSLR is that it is a cheap way to get the feet wet before eventually succumbing to CCD.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: korborh]
      #5676749 - 02/12/13 10:49 PM

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A CCD is much easier than DSLR. Images from CCD are also easier to process. Only thing going for DSLR is that it is a cheap way to get the feet wet before eventually succumbing to CCD.




Wow...we all have our own opinions and mine is that a DSLR is *easier* but not *better*...yours may be different.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5676892 - 02/13/13 12:43 AM

I think it's important to keep capability seperate from price. Capability is something technical. Price is market stuff. Absolutely they are interconnected as are all things 'for sale'. I'm just sayin' ... if you look at what you would get cost aside, and that changes because of cost - then you're in the tradeoff game.

I don't see easier or more difficult 'CCD/Camera' side of things. IMHO all the really hard work and where most often problems stem from is the mount, alignment, and tracking / guiding. The camera just records what the rest is doing.

IMO processing is not really difficult if you are getting great sub exposures. But the CCD / Camera thing is all about noise, signal, and resolution. Resolution decreases with noise (here I'm referring to temperature related and the chips supporting electronics) and Bayer matrix for color or 'OSC' in some respects. But where and how exactly that matters? Now you're talking about resolution and optics and sub exposure length and tracking and what makes sense.

In most respects mono CCD will always trump the other flavors, and really it's no different to get get a sub with it than any other... you focus and click the mouse.

So I think more often this 'difficulty' and 'getting feet wet' is more accurately with respect to co$t to get in where mono at the high end pricewise.

May seem like splitting hairs in ways, but I don't see it so. Capability and then cost for capability are IMO two different things. One is entirely technical and the other is about disposable income.

That said I think if you understand the technical side then your expectations will be more realistic. But having a good 'system' to learn imaging on is maybe more important, and understanding what will contribute or detract on quality of final product. I think mounts, PA and alignment, sometimes dialing in guiding, focusers, optics are more 'difficult' than critical focus and click that button for capture.

No real 'what you see is what you get' here, more like what you don't see is what you get, and there are ways to optimize that.

As I've said before, in ways what can be most expensive in buying and selling many times over due to unrealistic expectations or misunderstanding.

Not trying to muddy the waters here, hope what I'm getting at makes sense.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Mike7Mak]
      #5676900 - 02/13/13 12:52 AM

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IMO, it's a bit like playing golf with a croquet mallet.




I think the mallet might improve my golf game

I went with the DSLR since I am also interested in wide angle shots of the sky. I do not disagree that the CCD is more suitable for telescope AP. it is just a matter of preference. To me the DSLR is more versatile.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Mike7Mak]
      #5677118 - 02/13/13 07:22 AM

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How exactly is a DSLR 'easier to learn' than a CCD?

They are virtually the same thing except cooled CCD astrocams are actually designed for the job. DSLRs are handicapped from the git-go by lower bit depth, daylight oriented in-camera processing, non-standard file formats, larger mechanical backfocus, hard to control thermal issues, and limited spectral range.

IMO, it's a bit like playing golf with a croquet mallet.




Here's how I see it. With a DSLR, a t-ring adapter and appropriate piece (flattener, coma corrector, etc.) one generally speaking should get round stars. With a CCD, spacers are necessary that, with most scopes, need to be figured out. There is a serious possibility of galling if one isn't careful. The need to shoot through multiple filters can require slewing off target for refocus, then lining the target back up, the much higher possibility of needing to do a pier flip or shoot over multiple nights, nights etc. To me, these things make learning more difficult (perhaps challenging or just more complex is a better description) than using a DSLR that do not directly relate to cost.
Most of the above CAN apply to using a DSLR also, but generally aren't necessary to generate an image, especially starting out.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Mike7Mak]
      #5677229 - 02/13/13 08:52 AM

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How exactly is a DSLR 'easier to learn' than a CCD?

They are virtually the same thing except cooled CCD astrocams are actually designed for the job. DSLRs are handicapped from the git-go by lower bit depth, daylight oriented in-camera processing, non-standard file formats, larger mechanical backfocus, hard to control thermal issues, and limited spectral range.

IMO, it's a bit like playing golf with a croquet mallet.




OK. Easier to afford? Just kidding.

If we're talking about mono CCD vs DSLR, then there are a lot of reasons. First, not having to worry about filter wheels and focusing after each filter switch allows for a new user to concentrate on focusing the few times a night it is required. Then, each of those separate frames must be combined. If you don't already know how to do this, it can take a long time to learn. Adding an L to an RGB isn't so clear cut as well. Personally, I see additional difficulties in both acquisition and processing. That's without mentioning narrowband.

Most optics have standard attachments for DSLR's, but CCD's tend to require spacers and attachments. So I actually give this to the DSLR.

I do believe a cooled camera will make taking darks easier, but all of the filters make tasking flats more difficult.

Most people can figure out how to operate a DSLR, if they don't know already. I would bet that most people couldn't even tell you what a CCD does by looking at it.

A beginning golfer will hit better with a club intended for a beginner. As well, if a DSLR is a croquet mallet, then there are a lot of people hitting holes in one with their mallets.





Edited by Footbag (02/13/13 10:32 AM)


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5677249 - 02/13/13 09:03 AM

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Here's how I see it. With a DSLR, a t-ring adapter and appropriate piece (flattener, coma corrector, etc.) one generally speaking should get round stars. With a CCD, spacers are necessary that, with most scopes, need to be figured out. There is a serious possibility of galling if one isn't careful. The need to shoot through multiple filters can require slewing off target for refocus, then lining the target back up, the much higher possibility of needing to do a pier flip or shoot over multiple nights, nights etc.




Terry,

I sort of disagree on the hardware for imaging trane point you make, and do agree about total time to get an image - more applicable to the longer exposures you can do with Ha/SII/OIII narrowband.

With reducers and flatteners... backdistance is backdistance and you'll need it whatever you image with - so I don't see any difference there.

I've only iamged mono for a year two - can you explain more about this off object slew to focus? Never needed to do it with LRGB here. As far as NB goes same. Having filters that are par-focal sure helps. My Baaders and Astrodon are parfocal on the scopes I use.

On the issue of critical 'best' focus in general it is helpful to test it over the night as temps shift more because of scope / optics. With my little ED80T is less demanding than with my 160ED.

Needing more sub exposures total, and if NB longer subs, meridian flips, total time invested in image I'll grant. But that is more on the mount in my experience. Some like my Mach1 will image through the meridian if practical (that is if scope not going to hit pier). Meridian flipping is something to deal with, but using luminance or clear filter I can be perfectly realigned in a matter of a few minutes.

Processing may look more difficult from the outside but like all things you just need to figure it out the first time. Software like MaximDL makes it pretty simple.

Also more time needed for flats if you flat for each filter as I do. This is why I bought the FlatMan, also makes that simple and easy.

DSLR and OSC-CCD are IMO pretty much the same as far as final resolution outside the fact that a temp regulated CCD is possibly superior when it comes to darks and calibration. This might be more important with longer exposures and climate. As far as number of subs needed same-same. But here we are talking about mod'd DSLR yes? I don't it with an un-mod'd DSLR.

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To me, these things make learning more difficult (perhaps challenging or just more complex is a better description) than using a DSLR that do not directly relate to cost.
Most of the above CAN apply to using a DSLR also, but generally aren't necessary to generate an image, especially starting out.





That makes sense to me if talking outside OSC-CCD imaging.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5677275 - 02/13/13 09:20 AM

My girlfriend is willing to lend me her Canon xti for AP, but not willing to have it modified. It does not have live view.

Soo....I'm now on the hunt for a cheap/used T2i/T3i, etc....to have modded. In the meanwhile, of course, I'll utilize her xti and my Sony a900

Ponz

ps - Man, the cost of this hobby is mounting!


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5677305 - 02/13/13 09:44 AM

Hi Jim - Wow...I didn't mean to open any cans of worms here. Note to self, be very careful with what and how you post.

I guess I should have specified mono but since the OP is looking at a mono camera I assumed that was the focus of the discussion. Otherwise, outside of regulated cooling, I am not sure of the differences between DSLR and OSC CCD and don't know that I could pay up for the OSC CCD.

A DSLR doesn't require any figuring out. The t-ring and flattener give the requisite backfocus because DSLR manufacturers are consistent within themselves so you can change lenses without worrying that you need different spacing. Not so with CCD. Each camera (generalizing here) has a differet backocus requiring different spacing. Most times, the user has to buy a bunch of spacers and figure it out by trial and error.

Galling is a real issue even though I almost never see it mentioned.

I have Astrodon Gen II LRGB filters and my G is always "just" off. Since I use a Bahtinov mask, most times I do not have a bright enough star in the FOV to use so I slew to one close by then back. I always need to tweak the position by a few pixels or so.

Anyway, my point is that mono CCD imaging has more "moving parts" than DSLR imaging and I view it as more complex to learn. I inferred difficulty and regret doing so.

I think processing mono vs OSC is more complex too and regulary read debates on shooting luminance, binning of rgb, etc.

I just need to read more and post less


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5677537 - 02/13/13 11:52 AM

LOOKS LIKE I STARTED A FIRE IN HERE AND EVERYONE SEEMED TO HAVE THROWN A LOG ON IT TILL IT MOUNT TO THIS INFERNO OF A BOND FIRE. LOL WOW!!! I opened a can of worms here for sure. I can definitly tell who the die hard DSLR guys are and whom enjoys the clairaty of the CCD chip. As i stated in the beginning, i was looking for was an opinion on wheither to get the STF-8300m or a good DSLR. Putting the costs or prices aside and just a simple straight up (DSLR or SBIG CCD) As stated as well i am no rookie to astronomy and well aware of the requirments and accesories obligated for both paths, I am however new to the astro photography and want my best path to start with. I dont want to have to buy 5 or 6 different cameras and pill them up as junk in the corner till i find the one that i want and works for me. These cameras are not cheap and to sell one after realizing it doesn't do what i want or meet my expectations ( I am sure yous have all been there before and understand what i am saying here.) the loss you take on used electronics is hardly acceptable. So I want to buy a camera to start astro photography with, one to which i will be happy with the results, and not want to upgrade in a few months. A camera thet will bring me many years of use and enjoyment and enjoyment to others with RESULTS. I thank you all for your imput and time, I can see it must have been cloudy alover last night and some not so happy campers here.

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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5677602 - 02/13/13 12:32 PM

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I can see it must have been cloudy alover last night and some not so happy campers here.




Lol...too many opinions and alpha types on here. I shouldn't have let a couple of posts get under my skin. FWIW, I am not a die hard anything and last night I was shooting this with my Atik 314L+ mono camera.



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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: terry59]
      #5677733 - 02/13/13 01:50 PM

See, now this is what i'm talking about, RESULTS!!!. Very nice Terry. M35 nicely defined with its sister. I love gemini for its little jewels. I should have just made a poll on the subject and let everyone vote. None the less i think i will just order that Sbig STF-8300m this afternoon. Going to take the leap. lol Thank you everyone. Good thread though, got alot if interesting opinions and thought's and alot of hits in a short time.

P.S. To much testosterone in here. lol

Edited by Saclablue (02/13/13 02:20 PM)


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5678024 - 02/13/13 05:09 PM

Inferno? Too much testosterone? Seriously? You asked for 'opinions' on whether to buy a dedicated ccd astrocam or dslr. Did you think there would only be one answer?

I'm at a loss for how to express a differing opinion without it sounding, well different. It's a bit dismissive to characterize it as 'throwing logs on a bonfire' or coming from 'unhappy campers'.

All I'm saying is using the right tool for the job is, in the long run, the 'easier' path. Obviously there are myriad reasons for using a dslr, most of which are personal matters of finance, preference, and circumstance. I'm not saying you can't hit a 'hole in one' with a croquet mallet, on the contrary, it's quite an accomplishment when you do.

My 'opinion' is, when the goal is to eventually do AP with a ccd astrocam, a DSLR is not a logical 'stepping stone' in that direction. Too much of the dslr learning curve involves getting it to do what it wasn't designed to do.

BTW, to see 'results' you can go to AstroBin and search images by camera type.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Saclablue]
      #5678036 - 02/13/13 05:25 PM

Well I'll be first to apologize if anyone ruffled by my comments! Sorry folks. Terry I'm not an 'alpha type' if i understand what that definition is, just a nerd type.

Hans, my results are in the link on my sigline, sorry I didn't point that out earlier. I live in cloudyopolis so my chances to image are infrequent... last actual results are from last October. There are a lot of folks getting great results with the SBIG 8300M. Lots of great results with the Atik314L too though it has a smaller sensor with slightly larger pixels.

You will need a filter wheel and filters but the great thing about the SBIG is that the FW control is integrated into the camera. I started with the Baader RGBL and Ha/SII/OIII filters and they are par focal enough at the speeds i was using. (f/6 to f/8) The camera ships with software that makes it work and some to calibrate and post process with. I used it for a few days when I bought mine and then went to using MaximDL 'pro'. Yes that is some spendy software, but it does deliver.

Good news is that according to your criteria you should be happy with the 8300M as it's a workhorse with a lot of great images to it's name, and something I doubt you will outgrow anytime soon - I still look forward to every sub exposure with mine. I've gone up to 30 minute subs with the Ha/SII/OIII and am impressed what is capable of in all respects. I am a bit hampered doing RGBL (even with the IDAS-LP2) due to my light pollution in the city here. There are folks getting great stuff, just not me.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5678130 - 02/13/13 06:26 PM

There was lot's of good insight in this thread. We can all agree the OP bought the best camera, and will not outgrow it.

The death-match over whichever one is easier will take place elsewhere.

I plan on switching to CCD and likely the STF-8300m after my observatory is completed in the summer. While I never intended on upgrading to make my acquisition and processing routine easier, I would be very happy if it did.

I do expect it to improve my images. You cannot beat the sensitivity of a mono camera. DSLR's like OSC's are stuck behind the CFA. You lose sensitivity and resolution.

For me the upgrade will also allow me to automate and do remote imaging. That will make everything easier. Hopefully the difficult part will be processing all of the data.


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Re: NEED HELP!!! new [Re: Footbag]
      #5679648 - 02/14/13 02:40 PM

Quote:

The death-match over whichever one is easier will take place elsewhere.



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