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Would I be insane going C14??
      #5861146 - 05/14/13 10:40 PM

Someone talk some rational sense into my head here. I may have an option to snag a C14 OTA in a deal. I'd have to throw my entire immediate budget into a mount to support it, because I don't think a CGEM DX is gonna cut it LOL. Options? $5K buys a new CGE Pro, or a used AP mount. What else is in that price bracket that could legitimately handle a C14 for guided Hyperstar imaging? If I do this, I'll have to piece meal the remaining components in as I go since I'm supposed to be focusing funds on the new house...

Houses... what a stupid priority... LOL


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5861167 - 05/14/13 10:48 PM

were you thinkin AP1200?

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5861169 - 05/14/13 10:50 PM

I'll make things even worse: I'd add a ASI120MM camera or equivalent in there since the C14 is also a helluva planetary scope!

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Peds]
      #5861231 - 05/14/13 11:32 PM

Can they build a "Roll-off Roof House", you could save money that way by not building a seperate Observ.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: fishonkevin]
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Can they build a "Roll-off Roof House", you could save money that way by not building a seperate Observ.




Sure, why not?

To answer the question about mounts, my NJP carried the C14 very well for work at 3900mm.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: jrcrilly]
      #5861281 - 05/15/13 12:15 AM

I would look at the Losmandy Titan, MI-250, or NJP for ~$5k...
if it were me, I would just save for the AP1200/1600..or possibly an ME....but I am horrible at saving lol

Good luck with the new equipment and house/location!


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: fishonkevin]
      #5861595 - 05/15/13 08:02 AM

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Can they build a "Roll-off Roof House", you could save money that way by not building a seperate Observ.






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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5861604 - 05/15/13 08:06 AM

This is a tough one.. A C14 is such a beast. I have a couple days to chew on this thought. I'm clearly giving up any portability with a C14, where I could have some reasonable portability with a C9.25 or C11 setup. Well, I'll let everyone know where this lands in a few more days.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5861644 - 05/15/13 08:40 AM

Josh - all depends what you want to do with it, I don't think it sounds crazy at all. If you are going to make a ROR at your new digs it might be ideal for the resident scope, open up new horizons in image scale and resolution. I'd add one of Ed Thomas' Temp-est cooling kits from Deep Space Products to deal with any temperature concerns. It could have the side effect of making you want to look through the scope more than image?

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5861686 - 05/15/13 09:00 AM

C14!!!! nuff said

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: SGT500]
      #5861777 - 05/15/13 09:54 AM

LOL I suppose I should've seen this coming. Asking if a C14 is a good idea or not on CN is like going into a Chevy dealer and asking if the Corvette is a good car to go with. Corvettes aren't for everyone, but they'll sure try to sell you one!


Jim, I seriously thought about that. I might honestly enjoy the visual through the C14 as much as I would imaging. The statement about temp considerations is what has me thinking. The location(s) I'll be living in have wild temp swings at night like I face here in NM - perks of no atmosphere.. It's going to be hard to equalize a C14 I think. It might be hard to even equalize a C11.

Man... I'm going to get deep stuff with the CFO when/if I tell her I'm bringing home a C14, and oh, btw, the forecasted total spend on this project just went up by, oh, say tripple what I planned! I guess I better plan on a "warm room" attached to that ROR with room for a comfy couch...


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5861856 - 05/15/13 10:54 AM

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Man... I'm going to get deep stuff with the CFO when/if I tell her I'm bringing home a C14, and oh, btw, the forecasted total spend on this project just went up by, oh, say tripple what I planned! I guess I better plan on a "warm room" attached to that ROR with room for a comfy couch...




Clearly an optimist... A pessimist would have said living out the back of their car.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Madratter]
      #5862072 - 05/15/13 12:38 PM

I'm trying to plan ahead to manage the gloom and doom as best as possible here. Hell hath no fury like a C14 shown to a wife who doesn't care for Astronomy. Just sayin'.



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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862282 - 05/15/13 01:49 PM

I'd rather see you buy an expensive mount on a whim then an expensive OTA. Any way you look at it, the C14 is a bill for $5k plus. And if you don't spend the additional on a mount, you're not using the C14.

There are some good deals on AP900's, but they are still budget busters.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Footbag]
      #5862293 - 05/15/13 01:57 PM

Oh we're definitely in the same thought process right now. But, the deal I might be working out does not involve $5K for the C14, but rather an exchange. So, essentially the budget so to speak will be unscathed by OTA. If I did pick up a C14, it's going to be a little bit before you guys see me catching photons again because I would want to build this the right way. Unless I got a super steal on a used mount, I think $5K for an initial spend is going to cut it short. May just have to sock that away temporarily and look at a more substantial investment a few months down the road. But, a C14 for pennies on the dollar or essentially free may be far too good to just pass up.

For me it boils down to 1) How fast do I "need" to be up and running? 2) Do I ever need it to be portable? I can tell you a C14 is going to get put down ONE time by me, and not move unless I relocate again.

LOL I just found this very inspiring image. Great eye candy. Sort of disturbing, yet, awesome at the same time.

LOADED DOWN


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862320 - 05/15/13 02:06 PM

Quote:

I'm trying to plan ahead to manage the gloom and doom as best as possible here. Hell hath no fury like a C14 shown to a wife who doesn't care for Astronomy. Just sayin'.






The day I got a new OTA I distracted the wife with some Jewelry


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5862339 - 05/15/13 02:10 PM

HAHA. I've tried that solution too. Problem is to distract mine, the value of said jewelry is directly proportionate to the amount I spend on toys. This jewelry might become prohibitively expensive. So instead this time I'm hoping to use the "here's a new house to decorate!" approach. Not that it's significantly cheaper, but that was already budgeted for and may keep her busy for a while.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862343 - 05/15/13 02:11 PM

I am soooooo digging myself a really big hole right now, aren't I...

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862353 - 05/15/13 02:16 PM

...And you guys are seriously terrible, terrible enablers... Love you guys! But you're gonna get me killed, you realize that, right?



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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862374 - 05/15/13 02:26 PM

Well, with a swap of existing equipment for the C-14 (assuming the C-14 isn't a pile of junk), there really isn't an initial cost and it would be very hard to pass up a deal like that. With my wife, I could explain it, and she would tell me to go for it. However, it sounds like yours might not be so understanding.

As for getting killed, is she strong enough to drop that OTA on you?


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Madratter]
      #5862390 - 05/15/13 02:39 PM

Remember to schedule delivery when she is at work. Boxesto go into storage and desguised as home appliance boxes before she gets home. My wife never comes to the obsy. So once in Im safe

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5862424 - 05/15/13 03:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm trying to plan ahead to manage the gloom and doom as best as possible here. Hell hath no fury like a C14 shown to a wife who doesn't care for Astronomy. Just sayin'.






The day I got a new OTA I distracted the wife with some Jewelry




For me it was shoes and handbags.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Madratter]
      #5862445 - 05/15/13 03:24 PM

Quote:

Well, with a swap of existing equipment for the C-14 (assuming the C-14 isn't a pile of junk), there really isn't an initial cost and it would be very hard to pass up a deal like that. With my wife, I could explain it, and she would tell me to go for it. However, it sounds like yours might not be so understanding.

As for getting killed, is she strong enough to drop that OTA on you?




She's strong enough to feed me that OTA probably LOL.

I'm hoping the OTA is not a pile of junk but won't know for certain until Friday. The swap is one thing - I can justify that all day long... It's the massive expenses that will be trailing that OTA that might be the undoing - i.e. a heavier mount, plus all the other bits I still need to replace like my autoguider package, and misc hardware.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5862516 - 05/15/13 04:01 PM

The real question is do you want to work at 3800mm focal length? That's galaxy and planetary nebula hunting territory with planets thrown in so if that's your target then your C14 will do it.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: michael hester]
      #5862597 - 05/15/13 04:54 PM

A carefully timed, strategically planned, significant domestic purchase might help smooth things over with the CFO. Just consider it part of the overhead.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: jgraham]
      #5862660 - 05/15/13 05:19 PM

You can alway's finance that AP 1200 goto mount with the house. But for 5k you can get an HD C14 with hyperstar and one of Celestrons 8300 chip cameras that would work.

Edited by Dwight56 (05/15/13 05:20 PM)


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Dwight56]
      #5862875 - 05/15/13 06:35 PM

Camerss I have covered already, fortunately. One less expense to tread through.

Michael,

It sure would be fun to do some planetary imaging with 3800mm native focal length, but I was envisioning something much more sinister primarily - like plopping a Hyperstar on this bad boy and working at 675mm focal length @ F/1.9 for DSOs.

John, Dwight - sick, sick thought processes, but I like it! LOL


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5863132 - 05/15/13 08:17 PM

That poor G-11.... I wonder what results that setup was giving??

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: astrodog73]
      #5863156 - 05/15/13 08:35 PM

Forgiveness is easier to come by than permission.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Adacas]
      #5863478 - 05/15/13 11:22 PM

C-14 in a permanent observatory at a dark site, or my wife???

Boy I'd miss my wife!!!

(hope she doesn't see this)


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: proteus5]
      #5863825 - 05/16/13 07:07 AM

So what I gather from this thread you are getting a C14 and a corvette huh!??? Saweet

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: proteus5]
      #5863884 - 05/16/13 08:20 AM

Quote:

C-14 in a permanent observatory at a dark site, or my wife???

Boy I'd miss my wife!!!

(hope she doesn't see this)




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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: SGT500]
      #5863887 - 05/16/13 08:21 AM

ROTFLMAO - I "ALMOST" traded in for a hopped up version of a ZL1 a few weeks back. Weight lifting buddy of mine is a GM there and spotted me this rather unique car for a little bit to play in. Fortunately it was freezing cold out that week I took it for a drive. It reminded me that I'm moving to Colorado and that this car will have no traction for 600+ horses on RWD for a big chunk of the year... Sticking with my AWD for now, thanks. Gotta be rational at least somewhere in my decision making LOL.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5863894 - 05/16/13 08:27 AM

Lol so what you really need is a Nissan GTR. 600 horses (4 seats to fit the family) and AWD for Colorado! See I'm lookin out for ya

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: SGT500]
      #5863928 - 05/16/13 08:57 AM

LOL. With friends like you, Sal, how could one ever go wrong?



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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: SGT500]
      #5864377 - 05/16/13 12:15 PM

As a piggyback scope you could add the new SV 100 Quad... has a nice FT focuser...



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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5864564 - 05/16/13 01:24 PM



You guys are too much. Why stop there? Maybe I should just go pull a "small" loan out and buy that available plot up in NM Skies that hit the classifieds, with full dome and automation and a fork arm the size of my car?


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5865961 - 05/16/13 09:55 PM

In the interest of 'bracketing' the choices... maybe that should be the 'too much' bracket?

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5865967 - 05/16/13 09:59 PM

Why? It would be just fine if I subleased out space under the dome for a few piers with gear loaded up by you guys.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: proteus5]
      #5865969 - 05/16/13 10:01 PM

Quote:

C-14 in a permanent observatory at a dark site, or my wife???

Boy I'd miss my wife!!!

(hope she doesn't see this)




Well, I can see I better budget just a tad extra for a very cozy couch in the warm room of the ROR...


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5866022 - 05/16/13 10:34 PM

...and back to reality for just a moment....
What is the benefit of the C14 if you are going to use hyperstar on it? I get all "muddy in the brain" when it comes to oversampling and per-pixel resolution but is there any advantage for a 14" scope at 700mm vs. a 5" apo at 700mm? Wouldn't it depend on the pixel size of the camera you plan to use and the average seeing? C14 would do me NO good for planetary or high focal length at my "seeing handicapped" location.
I am really asking, not being facetious.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: shawnhar]
      #5866546 - 05/17/13 07:44 AM

A fair question. Simply put - light. Some things that you can put on a Hyperstar can create a fair amount of obstruction. Which is why I'm not going with an 8" again for sure. I already have DSLRs, and I already have a standard QHY-8. Neither are optimal on a C8. A C92.5 and up is recommended. The C14 in all reality is only going to happen if it is as good of a deal as it appears to be. I'll know before end of day today. Most likely I'll be landing on a C11 if the C14 doesn't happen, but I'd be content with a C9.25.

Also the aperture comes with other benefits. If you think about it - F/2 C8 vs. F/2 C14? All things being equal, who wouldn't take more aperture?

Pushing a C14 to the max is challenging at best. You already outlined why. I'm sure I'd enjoy glances through it, but think of it with a 2x barlow... WOW, but tough to pull off in sub-optimal conditions.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: shawnhar]
      #5866909 - 05/17/13 11:21 AM

Quote:

C14 would do me NO good for planetary or high focal length at my "seeing handicapped" location.




How do you know this? Can you not do lucky imaging to get around seeing?

I am also looking for justifying a C14 HD - although as an upgrade from current C11 HD in light-polluted skies.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: korborh]
      #5866967 - 05/17/13 11:57 AM

I think defeating seeing with a high speed camera is a given for any planetary imaging. With a C14 the bigger impactor will be thermal variances and tube currents I believe. Reaching equilibrium will be more time consuming with that big of a scope, unless permanently mounted in or near ambient temps. Following that is the issue I'll have to contend with - no atmosphere and highly variable night time temps. That means the temp can fall faster than the scope might be able to cool.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5867061 - 05/17/13 12:40 PM

Ahhh, didn't even think about the CO issue, that's a pretty big plus!
As for how I know the C14's focal length would not work for my location, it's a guess, I have only had 2 or 3 planetary sessions where the seeing was good enough for the 10" at around 5000mm, although this is only with a dslr at 21 fps. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to give a C14 a try with a fast camera!


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: shawnhar]
      #5867171 - 05/17/13 01:12 PM

The EQ-8 might become available in July/August 2013

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: PhilCo126]
      #5867194 - 05/17/13 01:28 PM

Oooooooo I forgot about hyperstar

If you get Hyperstar in that C14 you'd be set.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: PhilCo126]
      #5867195 - 05/17/13 01:29 PM

You have to admit though, when you see people resolving surface details on Jovian moons like this:

http://celestronsites.com/engineering/files/2012/07/C14_jupiter2010_gany_io_a...

You can't help but be impressed with a C14 and want one. Granted that is Damian Peach and he's good at what he does, but he isn't the only one with that level of success in resolving such details meaning it's not a fluke thing. The C14 has that capacity within it if you know how to apply it properly.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5868218 - 05/17/13 09:51 PM

Update- the C14 didn't come through. TOTALLY trashed. It was sad. Looked at an NS11GPS which was also in fairly brutalized shape. I was feeling the pain for the scopes.

However, one door closes, several other open. I have a few other leads that came together this afternoon. The search continues.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: michael hester]
      #5868227 - 05/17/13 09:53 PM

Quote:

Oooooooo I forgot about hyperstar

If you get Hyperstar in that C14 you'd be set.




That was my first thought when I heard "C14". Too bad this fell through though.. Following the trail of a few more leads though.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5868477 - 05/17/13 11:48 PM

C14s will take forever to cool. Definitely wont cool as quickly as a c11 with professionally installed fans in the back

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: Domerman]
      #5869023 - 05/18/13 09:29 AM

Hint, hint? LOL

Just woke up - I'll drop you a PM in a just a few, Steve to follow up on our conversation.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5869768 - 05/18/13 05:24 PM

Man, I have it made.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: hytham]
      #5869848 - 05/18/13 06:04 PM

Man... Terry H was just selling his C14 loaded up for a VERY good price on Amart. The CFO is now aware of the C14 scheme and thinks I've gone off the deep end a bit LOL.

I guess I better go back to my original thinking of C9.25-C11 and get off the "radar". I can wait a bit longer on a "big" setup. She is after all letting me build an Observatory next year and actually suggested that course of action so I can't complain. I figure with the image depth I was getting with my C8, I can't do any worse. That C8 Hyperstar went SERIOUSLY deep when dialed in.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5870027 - 05/18/13 07:56 PM

Back to reality - I'm working out a deal on a CGEM DX right now. Decided on a course of action and moving on the rest. Stay tuned!

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5870088 - 05/18/13 08:18 PM

Josh,

9.25 or 11?

George


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: ghataa]
      #5870517 - 05/18/13 11:41 PM

Closed deal on the DX, it should be here Wednesday.

George, working on that one. I have a few offers on the table. I honestly think at this point a 9.25 would be optimal, but something has me really looking at C11 OTAs.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5871606 - 05/19/13 02:24 PM

I've been plotting to do exactly the same but think the C9.25 is the sweet spot for the Hyperstar.

C8: 425 mm fl
C9.25: 540 mm
C11: 560mm

Given the weight difference between the C11 and the C9.25, the C9.25 seems easier on the mount for only 20 mm FL less than the C11.

George


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: ghataa]
      #5871707 - 05/19/13 03:12 PM

There was nothing wrong with my C8, I really liked how fast it cooled off, and the OTA was compact and light. Unfortunately it really constrains what you can use with it for Hyperstar cameras. When used natively it doesn't give the planetary views you'd get with a 9.25 or 11. The larger OTAs are challenging in a fork configuration because the weight is substantial. Trying to loft them onto a wedge is a tricky proposition. However, in EQ mode the OTA weight by itself is not that bad.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5871804 - 05/19/13 03:49 PM

Josh, there was another thread on the cooling issues with C14 where it was posted that the cooling part is not an issue for imaging DSO's and that its impact is much exaggerated for most applications.

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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: korborh]
      #5872056 - 05/19/13 05:44 PM

It won't really matter anymore at this point since I bought a DX, it won't carry a C14 for DSO imaging. C11 is pushing threshold as it is for this mount.

I don't know if I can fully agree with that claim about cooling being unimportant for imaging. Changing temps throws fine focus off of scopes that are much smaller.


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Re: Would I be insane going C14?? new [Re: DaemonGPF]
      #5872421 - 05/19/13 08:40 PM

Yes the DX seems too weak to handle C14 DSO but for planetary it should be fine.
The issue of cooling and focus change is always there for any scope and easily dealt with periodic refocus. I was referring to the thermals from the mirror as the main "cooldown" issue.


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