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RobDob
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: pdxmoon]
      #5993982 - 07/28/13 12:57 AM Attachment (44 downloads)

I made a movie with Windows Movie Maker using Mark's 10 frames with 1 sec frame interval. Very interesting...

I'm wondering if this was an impact event. Those first few frames show a condensed, bright region (suggestive of an impact?) with a dissipating plume spreading outward in the subsequent frames. Some craters and features were obscured, then re-appear. Most bizarre!

We really need to re-visit this crater next month and see if there is any noticeable difference.

Rob


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RobDob
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: RobDob]
      #5994019 - 07/28/13 01:40 AM

Look at frames 1 through 5, looks like there is a shadow cast at the end of the plume. Go to frame 10, seems to have settled.

Don't think there is too much seeing/lighting variation, because the outlying craters remain fairly consistent.

Fascinating! Great work Mark!

Rob


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steveward53
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: pdxmoon]
      #5994048 - 07/28/13 02:03 AM

Just get on and make the animated GIF , post it on Astrobin with the full size images and then post links to it on here .

I'm getting tired of the troll-like answers you are providing , as I suspect is everyone else ...


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RobDob
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: steveward53]
      #5994079 - 07/28/13 02:41 AM Attachment (18 downloads)

I took a comparison mosaic of frame 2 to frame 10. To me it appears that the plume has settled outward to the upper right edge of the crater in frame 10.

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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5994553 - 07/28/13 11:27 AM

UPDATE See YOU TUBE LINK BELOW
1 WMV format video consisting of three sets of 10 frames.
Set 1 from a distance with cropped edges, 1 Close Zoom and Cropped then repeated. Stop the video on the Close Zoom and Crop for great detail of the discharge.

Also I found some reference material that may point to an exact location of the discharge. I'll post later today. Sorry I'm slow, this stuff is a bit labor intensive.
I must thank those that have taken a serious interest in this unusual lunar event. Your efforts to validate and understand what actually occurred will ultimately help everyone.

Thanks For your patients!!!

Maginus 1

Edited by Trblmkr (07/28/13 12:37 PM)


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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: steveward53]
      #5994573 - 07/28/13 11:38 AM

Quote:

Just get on and make the animated GIF , post it on Astrobin with the full size images and then post links to it on here .

I'm getting tired of the troll-like answers you are providing , as I suspect is everyone else ...



Dude-Chill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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steveward53
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5994700 - 07/28/13 12:51 PM

That's a slideshow not an animation ... I'm perfectly chilled , I just grow weary of trolls.

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azure1961p
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: steveward53]
      #5995029 - 07/28/13 04:07 PM

Yeah this was nonsense from the moment the screen name was created.


Pete


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steveward53
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: azure1961p]
      #5995043 - 07/28/13 04:17 PM

Exactly , glad I'm not the only one ...

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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: steveward53]
      #5995437 - 07/28/13 08:36 PM

I have found a close analysis of the pictures revels enough pertinent information to move forward for a more definitive analysis however if anyone feels the need and has the time to create an animation, the pics are posted so please help yourself.

For others interested and who would like to constructively contribute please feel free to add any information or links relating to known similar events.

Thanks for your input.


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azure1961p
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5995668 - 07/28/13 10:29 PM

Well that's just it. There's no need to create an animation. Simply upload the video segment to YouTube. Here , Ill help you out: get Image Ready by ADOBE, create a little animate of the stills, tell everyone its raw vid straight out of the cam and your all set. Oh heck, add some color.

Pete


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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: azure1961p]
      #5995808 - 07/29/13 12:07 AM

Stills are there if you feel the need help yourself.

Flame Out...

Enjoy!


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THEPLOUGH
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5996433 - 07/29/13 12:01 PM

Let's try and keep it civil folks otherwise it's............

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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: THEPLOUGH]
      #5996780 - 07/29/13 03:05 PM

Close exam of the pics seem to indicate the flow or path is more horizontal rather than vertical this coincides with Robs observation of it settling out toward the end of the crater. Also the actual point of the source is close to being identified. There is still significant work to do but hope to post some evidence to support this in a few days.
Thanks for your observations and feedback.


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sc285
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5997149 - 07/29/13 06:59 PM

Trblmkr:

Just curious:
You used your 10" dob to take the pics?
What is the focal length of the scope?
Did you use barlow(s)?
What type of camera did you use?
How many frames were the video clips?
What image processing software did you use?
How did you process the images?

Inquiring mind wants to know the method used to capture the images.

Rob


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azure1961p
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: sc285]
      #5997404 - 07/29/13 10:23 PM

Rob,

He's giving himself a "few days" to answer your questions.

Pete


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Trblmkr
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: sc285]
      #5997460 - 07/29/13 10:59 PM Attachment (20 downloads)

Great Questions, here is the skinny
Scope Orion XT 250mm Primary 1250 FL for an F5
EP 35mm Tele-Vue Pan Optic coupled to a 2x Tele-Vue Barlow
The Camera is a 16.2 MP Sony DSC-HX9V secured in a Steady Pix scope mount with home brew mod long extension.
Setting were Manual Mode - 10 shot Burst Setting w/10Sec auto delay timer 1/250 sec exp, f/3.3, ISO 800, 4mm FL, No zoom.
Picture were imported using Win 7 base file transfer
Post processing software was U-Lead I Photo 8 which is a 10+ year old program that is no longer supported but works great.
Processing consisted of Brightness Reduction, contrast increase and gamma increase on the copied cropped smaller images. All originals remain untouched with the exception of #8 which was unintentionally saved after a wide crop. Brightness and Contrast remain original.
See pic for optics arrangement.


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azure1961p
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A new [Re: Trblmkr]
      #5997568 - 07/29/13 11:59 PM

Ok Im convinced.

There's a plume of material blowing across the floor of the crater. Its so obvious now. I also saw rocks being blown hither and yon as he claims in the OP.

My apologies.

Pete

Edited by azure1961p (07/30/13 07:45 AM)


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Asbytec
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A [Re: azure1961p]
      #5997710 - 07/30/13 02:19 AM

You know, I agree with Dean and Rob. Those are interesting images. They might be consistent with an impact throwing some debris off to one side with altitude casting a shadow. It does not have to be wind blown plume, it can simply be asymmetric ejecta from a grazing impact. And just because such events are rare, doesn't mean they don't happen and someone couldn't image it. Being in the right place at the right time does happen.

However, from an inquiring mind, it could well be some effect other than an actual impact, as David said. If the 'event' was photoshopped, and I am not in the conspiracy camp...I'm in the curiously skeptical camp pending further investigation, it was a pretty good photo job. I guess many hoaxes are well done.

What might be interesting to pursue is a search of the region to see if there is, indeed, and new crater there. My guess is it would likely be very small. Small rocks fly about in space and enter the earth's atmosphere quite often, generally speaking. Last year, somewhere in Russia. Right? There is no reason one cannot strike the moon without burning up in it's (non) atmosphere.

Sure, I guess such events are so very rare that they are not frequently reported, if any ever have, in the history of lunar observation. So, being skeptical is a virtue. However, no doubt the moon collects debris all the time, however, and the vast majority of which are probably way too small for ground based observations. But, while it could be a 'non event,' a hoax or an actual event needs further investigation.

I'd like to know the time between the images, as well as all the camera, scope, conditions, and lunar details. There could be some calculation to determine if the "plume" settled according to the laws of gravity, for example. That could be a convincing bit of information either suggesting an event occurred (or someone has the knowledge to create a hoax.) Or, maybe future independent images of Maginus A may show a brighter, fresh ejecta blanket.

I'd report it to some high level research center. Another CN member was in the news last year for discovering something (can't remember what.) Get a crater named after it's discoverer...Crater Trouble Maker. Or maybe it's just a covert CIA manufacturing facility having a Chernobyl event. LOL


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Rick Woods
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Re: July 17 - High Energy Activity near Maginus A [Re: Asbytec]
      #5999260 - 07/30/13 10:59 PM

I'm a little surprised at the hostility I'm seeing here.
If this is a hoax, then ha ha, well done.

Otherwise, let's consider what if it's a real event. Possibly the aftermath of an impact? A close look at high-res before and after shots might be instructive. Also, has anyone searched the web; did anyone else see this?


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