skybsd
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Hi,
Thought members might find Celestron's press release announcement on their new mount (the CGEM) to be of some interest 
Selected features mentioned :
Permanent Periodic Error Correction
The CGEM will track well past the Meridian for uninterrupted imaging through the most ideal part of the sky.
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Interesting...Wonder what the target price will be?
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Jeff55
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Read that this will be Celestron's version of the Synata EQ-6...does anyone have a picture of the new mount...there's nothing in the press release.
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mclewis1
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Not a replacement for the CGE. It's positioned between the advanced series (CG-5A) and CGE ... so yes most likely based on the Atlas/EQ-6.
"The mount has a fresh, attractive, bold appearance and is capable of carrying Celestron's higher-end SCT optical tubes (up to 11") ... "
"The CGEM mount is the perfect fit between Celestron's Advanced Series and CGE Series."
Real news would be a replacement for the CGE.
CGEM ... M for medium?
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pennyandchris
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Quote:
Read that this will be Celestron's version of the Synata EQ-6...does anyone have a picture of the new mount...there's nothing in the press release.
There's a link in the press release to a huge tif file.
Not compared it directly, because I don't have views of the same side of both mounts, but it looks a bit like a slightly restyled orange and black EQ6 / Atlas sized mount.
The tube clamp looks similar, and it's loaded up with a double CW like the EQ6 in publicity pics.
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pennyandchris
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Thinking about it, shame thay couldn't do a clone of the GM8 in the way that the CGE is virtually the same as the G11
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dickbill
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Yes, it looks like a CG5 tripod, the equatorial head looks new and not really similar to an EQ6, there is a CGE style saddle. It's hard to see the size of the shaft, but it looks about the same size as the CG5 shaft.
Plus there is something on the side of the equatorial head, I can see what it is, looks like an electronic pad.
Clutches are well dimentioned and should allow for precise polar alignment.
The RA seems able to include a polar finder despite the new Allstar polar axis routine.
Now, everything else that matter is not visible: style of worm, manufacturing precision, typical PE, steel versus aluminiun etc.
This mount could very well be a knockout.
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Jeff55
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Finally loaded up the CGEM image and (to me) it looks a bit smaller than an EQ-6 but appears to carry the larger Losmandy style dovetails. It's highly stylized in almost a cartoonish sort of way. Have to wait until there's more information.
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Dickbill
I think you're right this is the CG-5 replacement and not a Celestron version of the (bigger payload) Synta EQ-6. Too bad...I think a number of were hoping for something in between the CGE and the CG-5.
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dickbill
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Jeff
It looks slightly bigger than a CG5. But the tripod looks the same 2" diameter. Anyway, the CG5 tripod is also the same in the EQ6 ATlas, so this mount could definitively be in the same class than an EQ6 with a payload in a similar range around 40 pounds.
We shouldn't conclude too fast that this mound is just a revamped copy of the Atlas. It could have a similar payload, but the electronic could be completely different and the mechanical precision could be better. Will see.
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Hi,
I just did a google for info on this thing, and there is a lot of stuff showing up in Europe. I found some info that indicated it's slated to fit between the ASGT and the CGE.
Managed to find a smaller pic too of a C11 riding on the thing. Definitely doesn't look like a re-badged EQ6. Could be similar in size though.
I see styling elements from all over: C/W's look like CGE, but could be smaller given there are 2 of them for a C11. The back end of the polar axis reminds me a little of a Tak EM11/200 for some reason. Dovetail mounting block is CGE compatible. Tripod definitely looks like the 2" SS from the ASGT (or similar). The alt-az adjustment controls are different, much larger and more pronounced looking grips. The ports interface is similar to an EQ6.
It could be a very worked over EQ6 (different casings, etc.), but they sure have changed a lot of things. Don't see any info from Celestron, or on any North American sites yet.
Thanks,
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nofxrx
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Looks interesting to me as I am looking for a new mount in this class.
The big alt/az adjustment knobs look great..it is "funny" lookin,but so am I 
In case no one wants to DL it..
NOTICE OF EDIT:Stock photos should not be posted without explicit permission. CH
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dickbill
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As Gord said, the RA axis looks more like a Tak than a EQ6.
Does it mean Tak precision ? let's hope.
It looks to me that the RA axis is longer than a EQ6, that would give clearance to the mount to pass the meridian without to flip, as it is advertised in the photokina report.
But that would also mean that the center of gravity is further away from the center of the tripod.
I can't wait to see the specifications of this mount.
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Could be just what the doctor ordered!!
Maybe just in time for Christmas...
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sang33ta
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Lets hope they made it quiter than the AGT-CG5 
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Oly Olson
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That's a new mount - no Atlas or Sirius and it looks to be at least as beefy as the Atlas. Outstanding! Well...I guess I should hold the "Hoorah!" until we see the price...
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Quote:
Dickbill
I think you're right this is the CG-5 replacement and not a Celestron version of the (bigger payload) Synta EQ-6. Too bad...I think a number of were hoping for something in between the CGE and the CG-5.
Your wish is granted. It's not a replacement for the CG5. It's a mount positioned between the CG5 and the CGE.
Yeah, it looks kinda purty--all modern and stuff, but deep down it is a good, ol' Atlas (EQ6). Actually, it's more similar to the NEQ6, what with the Losmandy saddle plate an' all.
As for as noise? It should be similar to the Atlas, I would think, which is very quiet.
Is it BETTER than the Atlas? That is a toss up. You get the NexStar controller, which is--there is no doubt about this--lightyears ahead of the Synscan. You can also use NexRemote. OTOH, you will not be able to use EQMOD.
Me? I'm happy with my Atlas, very happy, but if this had been available a year ago, I woulda bought this instead.
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CHASLX200
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Anyone have a link to a pic of this new mount?
Chas
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RogerRZ
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It looks suspiciously familiar to an EQ6. Also, if you look closely, the dovetail looks like a Vixen style welded to a Losmandy style. The saddle looks Vixen sized.
Like Uncle Rod, I much prefer the Nexstar HC to the Synscan. Eqmod helps, but sometimes, one wants to leave the PC idle...
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mclewis1
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Quote:
Anyone have a link to a pic of this new mount?
Chas
Have a look at the press release linked to in the first post ... it contains a link to a large picture of the mount (in TIFF format). Somehow the interpretation of the CN TOS leads folks to believe that it's not ok to post this image here without written permission ... even though by including it in a public press release Celestron has granted that permission for it's general use (unmodified).
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Charlie Hein
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A brief off topic comment from your Moderator:
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Somehow the interpretation of the CN TOS leads folks to believe that it's not ok to post this image here without written permission ... even though by including it in a public press release Celestron has granted that permission for it's general use (unmodified).
Sure, you can make the assumption that it's okay - and in fact Celestron almost certainly has no problems with it - but we need to apply our rules the same way in *every* case.
We require *explicit* permission, not *implied* permission from the from the owner of any content that is posted here that you do not personally own. The rule is in place to protect everyone involved. We try to apply it as evenly as possible so that there are as little chances as possible for someone to violate it. Sometimes this means that we restrict something that was probably not going to get us into trouble - but this is much preferable to leaving it up to the general public (or even a volunteer moderator such as myself) to decide what is or is not acceptable use of another's content.
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skyward_eyes
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Ok well back on track then.
The mount does have a new twist to it and I really will have to see one in person before I put cash down for it. I need something to replace my CG-5 Go To becasue its going down on me. This mount looks like Celestrons cheaper series of scopes and less like the CGE. I think I am still going to stick with an Atlas.
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dickbill
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If the picture is not OK to release, what about the text then ?
Both the text and picture came from Celestron, there is no mention of a journalist writitng the text or snapping the picture.
Does it mean no pictures were allowed during the show ?
Probably, yes, as I cannot imagine hundreds of people and journalists with no one having his own camera.
So why all the secrecy abouty this mount ? maybe it's a betta product, a prototype to test the market. Remember the 20 inches Celestron Cassegrain ?
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Quote:
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Anyone have a link to a pic of this new mount?
Chas
Have a look at the press release linked to in the first post ... it contains a link to a large picture of the mount (in TIFF format). Somehow the interpretation of the CN TOS leads folks to believe that it's not ok to post this image here without written permission ... even though by including it in a public press release Celestron has granted that permission for it's general use (unmodified).
Exactly what I thought, but I got grief for it, so removed them.
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If the picture is not OK to release, what about the text then ?
The restriction we're talking about is part of the terms of service that we all agreed to when signing up at CN. Here's the specific rule that applies:
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Please do not copy e-mails, articles, pictures or posts from publications or from other online sites unless you are the owner of the material or have received explicit permission from the owner to do so. This permission must be included in your post. Using another person's work without permission is, at the very least, poor netiquette, and is not permitted on this forum. A summary or short quote is allowed without permission, but you must include the identity of the original source. The best way to direct fellow CN members to material you have found is to simply include a link, when possible, in your post.
The text was posted as a link, which is okay. Which reminds me, posting a link to the image instead of the image itself would have been acceptable.
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Doug76
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It is still overdoing it to apply this to a publicly released photo, and even worse to suggest using this sort of image is at the least poor etiquette. That's just insulting. This is not someones' art, but a commercial image of a device directly connected with the purpose of this site. This policy should be revisited for images of this nature.  
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The rulz is the rulz. And as Charlie said, links to the image are fine.
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Doug, there is nothing to be insulted about. We have image posting rules here and they have been well explained by the mods.
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CHASLX200
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I still dont see a pic from the first post.
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Charlie Hein
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It is still overdoing it to apply this to a publicly released photo, and even worse to suggest using this sort of image is at the least poor etiquette. That's just insulting. This is not someones' art, but a commercial image of a device directly connected with the purpose of this site. This policy should be revisited for images of this nature.
I very strongly disagree. Such content remains the property of the company that created it. *They* have the right to determine its use - *we* do not. In the lack of any specific grant of the right to republish their intellectual property (which is what you do when you post it here), our presumption absolutely *has to be* that none is given. Likewise, we do not repost newspaper articles, ad copy, press releases or intellectual property of *any kind* without *very explicit* permission to do so.
This viewpoint is unlikely to change. When no specific permission is granted to republish such work, it is indeed good "netiqette" to take the courtesy of asking the owner of a piece of content for permission before using it - at the very least.
In today's society, it's also a good way to totally avoid the possibility of getting sued. We don't say it much but you do have to consider it these days.
Please lets consider the matter closed and get the thread back on topic now.
thanks,
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nofxrx
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Charlie, What if someone took Celestron's image,D/L'd it,save it as a Jpeg,and post it on thier own image hosting site,THEN,provided a link HERE to the photo there?
Not that I am interested in doing so but some people do not have PS and cannot view TIFF's...in that case I do not see any reason why someone couldnt do this sort of as a service to those with slow connections,or those unable to view certain file types....just a thought..
BACK ON TRACK THOUGH....As soon as I hear the price(and it sounds good) I will be ordering one....this looks to be the perfect mount for me...I can keep the CI-700 for my heavier loads and use this for a WF imaging rig!!!!PLUS this has GOTO as the CI-700 does not...which is a bummer.I would not even consider this mount if the CI did have GOTO,but since it doesnt I would like a lighter mount(with GOTO)that is more transportable to take to dark sites....which this looks like this new one will fit the bill quite nicely!!!
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Charlie, What if someone took Celestron's image,D/L'd it,save it as a Jpeg,and post it on thier own image hosting site,THEN,provided a link HERE to the photo there?
I think you may still be missing the point. The only way to totally avoid getting yourself into trouble is to contact Celestron and get explicit permission to use their photo. Then you can pretty much do whatever you want as long as you meet whatever guidelines they may choose to impose and whatever guidelines CN imposes.
With permission, you can convert the image to a jpeg and post it directly here so everyone can see it and nobody complains. Without it, you're still using another person's property without their consent. YouTube has to pull videos all the time for this reason. News agencies have to get permission to use other folks photos and news copy. So do ad agencies, by the way. We're no different, and neither is a member of the general public.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really think there's not a lot left to say about this. Just get permission and there's no problem. Let's leave it at that from here on, okay?
Charlie
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here is one link I've found, but looks like it is in japanese or chinese:
http://www.hkastroforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=125579
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Looks like a nice mount, but the tripod seems kinda small for it.
Chas
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I still dont see a pic from the first post.
Chas
I removed mine.
I was not insulted, I said it was insulting. Still think it's a lame reason, but I get the lawsuit point. One of the reasons I vote like I do.
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Aside from all that, I'd still rather get my hands on an OLD Celestron CGE...
This one is kind of like an EQ6 with lipstick ;-)...
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It do kind of look "slick", don't it? But I like Celestron's Nexstar GOTO, and if this mount turns out to be reasonably priced, and have the same or better capacity, it will be mine instead of the Atlas/EQ-6.
Doug
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dickbill
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The tripod is fine. It's the standard 2" that comes with the CG5, it's sort of overmounted anyway until the C8. It's only because the CG5 accepts the C9 and the C11 that these 2" legs are necessary.
There are also the same legs that come with the Atlas which shows that for an OTA in the 20-40 pounds range, it's plenty enough.
To me it's not just the load that matters, since most OTA are way below 40 pounds, it's how the mount will track with the load. The CG5 is rated at 35 pounds but imaging at more than 1300 mm is "difficult", the GOTOs are good however. A well trained 3-stars aligned CG5 will put any faint fuzzy in the field of view of the standard 24mm eyepiece of a C9, all night long. The only improvment I can see in a mount of that category are smooth tracking with small PE and better polar alignement routines, most likely the payload and the GOTOs will only be marginally better than a CG5.
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I figure the GOTO to be about the same, but the new one to be significantly better in the payload area, else why introduce it? They do say it is to bridge between the CG-5 and the CGE.
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Hi all, I'm a new poster to cloudy nights, a long time reader, also 50 years + star gazer. The new cgem mount looks very interesting. My question or hope is, will there be a firmware upgrade for the older celestron mounts with the new "all star" polar alignment and permanent pec correction. That would be great. Is it possible and will celestron offer it for the GE5 or CGE.
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My question or hope is, will there be a firmware upgrade for the older celestron mounts with the new "all star" polar alignment and permanent pec correction. That would be great. Is it possible and will celestron offer it for the GE5 or CGE.
Hank
The CGE has always had permanent PEC. There's no reason the "all star" routine couldn't be added to it, and I would expect that to happen. The CG-5, having no worm index switch, will probably never have permanent PEC - but I would think it would gain the "all star" function also.
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Aside from all that, I'd still rather get my hands on an OLD Celestron CGE...
This one is kind of like an EQ6 with lipstick ;-)...
That's what it is.
_It is not a replacement_ for the CGE. The CGE is still available. It is a Celestron branded mount to be positioned between CG5 and CGE. Will Celestron/Synta eventually replace the CGE with something like an "EQ7"? Maybe. Not yet.
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Patrick
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Back on topic...
One thing I've noticed is that the control panel is now located on the DEC axis. Both the CG5 and CGE control panels are stationary. That means the control panel will be dragging the hand controller/autoguider cables around with it. At least that's what it looks like. Thoughts?
Patrick
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dickbill
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Nothing is known of that mount beside a couple of details: tripod, saddle, All-Star and PEC routine. We can guessestimate the payload to similar to an Atlas, but that's it.
It looks like an EQ6 as much as it looks like a TAk, since the look of these mounts depends on the equatorial design, any equatorial mount looks the same anyway.
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It looks like an EQ6 as much as it looks like a TAk,
That's no coincidence. Synta switched from adapting Vixen designs (to produce their CG series) to adapting Tak designs (to produce their H-EQ5 and EQ-6 models).
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Agreed,I think the mount "looks" more like an NJP than it does an EQ6...even with the lipstick
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Hello folks,
Here's my authorization from Celestron to resize and post the pic for your pleasure. Enjoy:
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Yes, James you can use the image as long as converting the image does not distort the image (which it should not).
Thank you
Vicki Croucier, MBA
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www.Celestron.com
Sorry for the delay (2 min email and a day waiting for response from celestron). 
Notice of Edit:Max pixel width is 800x800 - I copied off the image and have set this up so that clicking the smaller image here will load the version that you uploaded to the board. CH
Thanks Charlie. Here I thought I was making sure I do everything according to the rules...I didn't even look at the pic size, just made sure it resized under the 100k limit... 
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Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
Misc: Telrad, 2x&4x Powermate, Sol/OIII/UHC/Var Pol. Filters
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rmollise
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Back on topic...
One thing I've noticed is that the control panel is now located on the DEC axis. Both the CG5 and CGE control panels are stationary. That means the control panel will be dragging the hand controller/autoguider cables around with it. At least that's what it looks like. Thoughts?
Patrick
The HEQ5 and EQ6 have always had their control panels there, and I've never found it to be a problem. There is only so much travel involved, afterall.
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varmint
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Back on topic...
One thing I've noticed is that the control panel is now located on the DEC axis. Both the CG5 and CGE control panels are stationary. That means the control panel will be dragging the hand controller/autoguider cables around with it. At least that's what it looks like. Thoughts?
Patrick
The HEQ5 and EQ6 have always had their control panels there, and I've never found it to be a problem. There is only so much travel involved, afterall.
I've actually noticed with my CGE that the controller cable gets pretty taught (especially if I'm looking South around the meridian or South East), I'm thinking the placement of the cables on the moving shaft (Looks RA to me, not DEC) might actually help this...but I dunno.
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Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
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CHASLX200
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Looks like a C14 is mounted on the new mount.
Chas
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scopedude
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The exterior design does not look 'serious'. I like the look of CGE better.
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The exterior design does not look 'serious'. I like the look of CGE better.
It does look rather plastic-y (if that's a term).
I just noticed that they show the CW shaft on the "opposite" side of the tripod from normal (where the CW shaft aligns along one of the legs). Is this a new design feature, or done just for the pic/show?
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Scopes: CGE925, 80ED, NP127is (w/ADM acc.)
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That's how I position the mount on the tripod if I'm not using mount extension
But gone are the chubby plastic housing for motor board like the ones on CG-5. Those tend to hit each other at certain positions.
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The exterior design does not look 'serious'. I like the look of CGE better.
It does look rather plastic-y (if that's a term).
I just noticed that they show the CW shaft on the "opposite" side of the tripod from normal (where the CW shaft aligns along one of the legs). Is this a new design feature, or done just for the pic/show?
On the Synta mounts, you can change this at will by moving the peg the aziumuth adjusters work against. I'ts common for them to be shipped so the counterweight bar is "between the legs."
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frankart
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Looks waaay too "modern." I wonder how much of that mount is poorly fitted plastic-like my Advanced CG-5's covers?
Frank
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dickbill
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Plastic is not necessarily bad.
I had problems with my CG5, but none of them came from the plastic housing.
Better have dew on a plactic case than on metal case, especially when it contains electrical wires and electronic.
Anyway, I checked celestron web site, still no mention of this mount. Do we have to wait untill 2009 to know more ?
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tboss70
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IS mention now...
http://www.celestron.com/c2/product.php?CatID=16&ProdID=548
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skybsd
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Hi,
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IS mention now...
http://www.celestron.com/c2/product.php?CatID=16&ProdID=548
Sweet price 
No sign of it as yet in the UK 
Regards,
skybsd
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CHASLX200
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I cant find a price.
Chas
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Here ya go folks:
Opt Corp's Link @ $1,399
Wonder what Orion will do?
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tboss70
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I thnk its listed at $1399 on OPTCORP. That the only price i've seen.
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CHASLX200
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OUCH!
Chas
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OUCH!
Chas
It will directly compete with the Orion Atlas for $100.00 less.
Charlie
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CHASLX200
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Guess i'm not up to date on mount prices these days.
Chas
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lowmal
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I agree with Charlie.
The mount weight on the new CGEM is 41 lbs..
The mount weight on the Atlas is 54 lbs..
The mount weight plus 17lb counterweight for the CGEM is 58 lbs..
The mount weight plus 22 lb counterweight (2 11 lb counterweights) for the Atlas is 76 lbs..
Tripod legs for the Atlas are 2" Steel..
Can't find any info as to the size of the legs on the new CGEM..
Payload ratings for both mounts are for 40 lbs..
I would say the CGEM was built as a definite competitor aimed at the Atlas.. Strange considering both companies are "in alliance" with one another..
Nice looking mount, though.. Any quality products such as this that offers options to the "intermediate" hobbyists can only be good for the consumers in the long run..
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jrcrilly
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It will directly compete with the Orion Atlas for $100.00 less.
Charlie
That'd sell me. If you really want a polar alignment scope then the CGEM ends up about $150 higher then the Atlas, but it's still plenty close.
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Who needs a polar alignnment scope? 
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One clue that this is *not* a redesigned Atlas is that they're using servo motors with actual encoders for drive. EQMOD will most likely *not* be an option here.
Also, this mount will have PPEC (that's a huge add), and if the "all star" polar alignment assist works as advertised then a polar scope might not be missed in most cases.
I agree though that it's very hard to understand why Celestron/Synta did this. We may well be seeing the eventual replacement for the EQ-6 here. It'll kinda put the screws to Skywatcher if this turns out to be the case - they put an awful lot of work into the current go-to design.
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I'am glad it's not a cosmeticly enhanced EQ-6. All those new features have my attention. 
On the other hand, I would be warey about purchasing one rightaway as with anything new there's a possibility of some growing pains such as bugs in the firmware and QA issues. 
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dickbill
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I wish the equatorial head alone would be available, as I have a CG5 with the same tripod. Well, it looks the same when I zoomed on the picture in the celestron web site.
All I would need to buy is a new CGE-compatible dovetail for my C9 OTA and the equatorial head.
Beside that, the big question to me is what's gonna be the PE after correction.
Since I want to do CCD at 1300 mm and more, a small PE is necessary.
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Oly Olson
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Very interesting feature set and price vs. the Atlas! I do like the Celestron hand controller slightly more than the unit used on the Atlas.
I suppose Celestron needed a product in this category but I'll admit that I'm still wishing for something approaching the CGE's capability at approx. $2000 vs. another mount in this category at less than $1500.
Regards,
Oly
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Kenny2004
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This patent pending technology "All Star" will be interesting to see how well it works. I wonder if it works just to give 'rough' polar alignment, or would it be super accurate enough. The polarscope is $250 extra.
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David Pavlich
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This patent pending technology "All Star" will be interesting to see how well it works. I wonder if it works just to give 'rough' polar alignment, or would it be super accurate enough. The polarscope is $250 extra.
If it works as well as the CGE PAR, then the polar scope becomes nothing more than a $250 paper weight.
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dickbill
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A super precise polar alignement is valuable a short focal lenght for imaging, but for long focal lenght, it's only good as long as the PE is small.
For example, with my CG5 and its 40 or 50 arseconds PE, a good polar align, within a fraction of a degre of the north celestial pole, is no better than a perfect polar aligment when I do imaging with a C9 at f/5 or F/10.
So, for my CG5, it's a waste of time to spend endless time on polar alignement to get within 1-5 arcminutes of the NCP, my inages won't get better.
At >1300mm focal lenght, the PE (periodic or not) rules over the NCP alignement. That is, the mechanical quality of the mount is more important than how precise is the polar alignement.
So if the PE of the mount is around 1 arcsecond/pixel or less after PEC correction, then the mount is a knockout.
On the other hand, if the PE is still around 5 to 10" after PEC, no better than a G11, then the allstar routine is still great at short focal imaging, but at >1300 mm, there is still a need for a better mount (autoguided CGE or autoguided G11+ovision).
Only time and revieus will tell, because the advertissement says nothing about it, but I have hope of a PE within 4 or less arcseconds after PEC (steel worm gear, servo vs stepper mottor and maybe other undisclosed technical advances). I can't wait to read the first user review.
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Kenny2004
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I'm looking forward to hearing the first hands on review on this mount. It's either this or an Orion Atlas/Siruis. I'm just a bit skeptical still about this Polar alignment and how precise it can be especially when imaging is involved.
Agreed: precise Polar alignment is just one aspect, the construction of the mount has to be equally well made.
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Celestron 8" SCT /w XLT
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rmollise
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I'm just a bit skeptical still about this Polar alignment and how precise it can be especially when imaging is involved.
Answer? It depends. If you're autoguiding and doing relatively short exposures, 5 minutes or less say, you may find the built-in polar alignment routines more and more mounts are featuring are more than good enough. I NEVER drift anymore.
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gatorengineer
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Its a good mount for the hobby....... I would expect to see at least a $400 drop in the go to atlas. Couldnt imagine anyone taking an atlas for more money. I think if you ended up with a $599 CG5, $1000 Atlas, This deluxe Atlas cousin for $1400, and the CGE at $2700, isnt too bad, excepting a heck of a premium for the 25 lbs of extra carry on the CGE though.
I feel sorry for Vixen, I dont see how they can compete without a major price drop. This would appear to make it tough for the GM8 as well.
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This mount is in the latest Orion catalogue - Im looking at it. It is sold as mount only and as CGEM800 and CGEM1100.
I assume it is on Orion's web site as well.
Daryl
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A few of us here have CGEMS now, Daryl. I picked mine up at NEAF. I've had it out several times now and I really like it. I'm planning to do a write-up on it.
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Greg:
Looking forward to your writeup.
Daryl
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jrbarnett
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Greg:
Please don't do a write-up on the CGEM. I am afraid I'll read it and then buy one, just because...
I have an Altas EQ-G currently that's been great, but I think Synscan is light years behind Nexstar in features. As an avid double and carbon star observer, Synscan's lack of a slew-to RA and DEC feature is unfortunate. Adding targets to the User Defined Object catalog is cumbersome, and you must keep a separate log mapping UDO slot to object, which multiplies the "stuff" you have to take outside. The CGEM is tempting for the software alone.
Regards,
Jim
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Charles Wright
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Just found this thread and waiting for the writeup...
Perhaps whoever reviews it could consider these novice questions:
1) PPEC - do the servos make that possible, or is the assumption that nothing messes with the mechanicals between "parks"...
2) PPEC is great, but with my EQ6, the PEC curve is different every time I measure it!  Will this mount let me download the PEC data for multiple turns of the (worm) screw, mess around with it, and upload it back?
By the way, the polar scope is listed at $62 on Celestron's website. I'd be truly aghast if such a device (at $250) cost almost as much as my Canon 10x30 image stabilization binocs!
Charles Wright
EQ6 GOTO
Intes Micro Alter M603
Stellarvue AT1010
C-11 Carbon Fiber
Meade 80 mm Series 5000 triplet refractor
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kalafrana
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Hi Greg
How much of this CGEM mount is plastic? I'm considering getting one, but would have to import it - no chance of finding one here so I can check it out first!
Cheers
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CGE1100
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Lane
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Greg:
Please don't do a write-up on the CGEM. I am afraid I'll read it and then buy one, just because...
I have an Altas EQ-G currently that's been great, but I think Synscan is light years behind Nexstar in features. As an avid double and carbon star observer, Synscan's lack of a slew-to RA and DEC feature is unfortunate. Adding targets to the User Defined Object catalog is cumbersome, and you must keep a separate log mapping UDO slot to object, which multiplies the "stuff" you have to take outside. The CGEM is tempting for the software alone.
Regards,
Jim
Another great thing about the CGEM software is that you don't need a polar alignement for the GOTO to be dead on. A 3-star alignment with the mount pointed in the general direction of polaris is good enough for spot on GOTOs. Not possible with the Synscan, if you don't line up polaris just right even a 3-star alignment isn't going to work well.
If you bump into a mount using Synscan then forget it you have go through the entire setup process again, but with the CGEM you just replace your alignment stars with any stars you want and your back in business in under a minute.
I really liked my Synscan until I got the CGEM, now I hate it. I wish I could use a Celestron HC on my Sirius mount.
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PhilCo126
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Rick, as You probably read by now, some CNers replaced the "plastic" knobs with ADMaccessoires knobs;
http://www.admaccessories.com/Miscellaneous_CGEM.htm
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Kolenka
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Rick, as You probably read by now, some CNers replaced the "plastic" knobs with ADMaccessoires knobs;
http://www.admaccessories.com/Miscellaneous_CGEM.htm
Interesting. Although in all honesty, I don't mind the plastic knobs for the most part so far. The important parts of these knobs are still metal.
Still much better than the CGE for adjusting the darn thing.
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