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Psyire
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2912575 - 02/06/09 10:37 PM

Have any idea what those set screws actually do?

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StargazerBill
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2912963 - 02/07/09 08:31 AM

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I would strongly recommend the extension tube sold by Astronomics (do a search "ATVEXT", which is the part# on their site). It raises the scope to a more comfortable height. The short(ish) tripod is one of the most common complaints about the voyager.

- David




David,

First, thanks for all the "hands on" info regarding the Voyager. After a frustrating sequence of events regarding the Orion SVP AltAz mount (see various other threads in the "mounts" forum) last night I ordered the AT Voyager. The JMI MicroSlew may come later, not sure on that yet. I do have a question regarding the extension though. It would be nice to get the scope higher but Ive had a bad experience with such an extension. I had an extension for my SVP EQ mount last year and it introduced a lot of vibration to the setup. Without the extension the mount is near rock solid with my SV102ED attached. Vibrations dampen in about 1 second at worst. When I added the extension vibrations took 2.5 to 3 seconds to dissipate. It was acting like a "tuning fork". I'd love to know that the Voyager with extension does not have this problem. Of course, using a short scope like the TV76 stability is probably not a real problem. But have you tried the mount without and with the extension? If so, any difference that you can discern?

Bill


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: StargazerBill]
      #2913692 - 02/07/09 03:43 PM

Hi Bill (love the Mini icon by the way), I have not tried the mount without the extension. To be honest, by the time I got all the parts to be able to mount the Pronto, the clouds and rain arrived and continue. So other than about 20 minutes on Wednesday night, I have not been able to do any observing. I was able to view the moon at 160x on Wed night but did not record the dampening time. Was mostly getting used to the operation of the Micro-Slew. I enjoy double stars, so will let you know how it goes once the skies clear.

- David


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2913708 - 02/07/09 03:59 PM

Psyire, I learned from a previous post on CN (posted on 11/26/08 by swsantos) that those three set screws keep the alt head attached to the assembly. The instructions indicate that these should remain tight at all time (they are not the screws that Patrick incorrectly indicates in the same post as voiding the warranty, those are located on the end of the assembly attaching the black cap with the Astro Tech logo on it, opposite the dovetail bracket).

- David


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Psyire
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2914120 - 02/07/09 08:22 PM

Thanks David, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: Psyire]
      #2914453 - 02/07/09 11:36 PM

You're welcome Psyire, glad to help. I did fail to mention that despite the missing screws I was unable to detect any looseness or play in the alt assembly. I was not able to get the head to separate by pulling on it. Despite that, I felt it important to get the screws from Astro-Tech and install them before mounting a scope. I was awaiting the dovetail plate anyhow, so it didn't put me out any.

- David


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mischief
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2918413 - 02/09/09 08:30 PM

Thanks, David, I just received my Voyager on Saturday and put it together with no problem. Instructions were included, but I had already downloaded them from the Astronomics site (where I purchased the Voyager). The only problem I had was due to my inability to hold onto the bolts (gravity hates me; everything falls on the floor). which kept falling on the floor and had to be found; they bounce. I set it up with my Orion ST80 and the Lunt 60THa and the binoviewer. The setup seemed stable enough, no slipping on the altitude axis which I had with the VersaGo. This was just in the house; haven't tried it for real yet. One nice touch. There was an extra flat metal plate in the bag with the bolts and the wrenches. I wondered what it was; looked at the printing on it and it is a screwdriver with which to loosen or tighten the "bolts" for tension on the altitude and azimuth axis.

Question: do the JMI slewing motors allow tracking?

I think I'll try it without the extender, then if I need it, I can get it. I am fairly short and like to sit down so the regular height may be ok. How do you put the extender on; do you have to remove the whole mount including the azimuth from the tripod or take the whole thing apart, put in the extender then put everything back together.
Dorothy


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2919324 - 02/10/09 10:46 AM

Hello Dorothy, I am glad to hear that everything went together will for you. I'd love to see a picture of your set-up with the Lunt. Been eyeing those but don't want to spend the $$ right now. They look really well made.

I did not wind up using that "screwdriver" for anything. I assume it is for using on the tensioners for the alt and az, but I find I can get the set just by hand. One thing I did encounter when assemblying my mount is that when I unscrewed one of those tension screws, no only did the screw come out, but the chrome base that the tension screw screws into. So I wound up using a little Loc-Tite to secure the chrome base in its threaded hole in the head assembly and then screwing the tension screw back into the chrome base. Did that for both the alt and az tensioners.

To your other questions: The motors do not allow tracking. The hand controller operates one motor at a time. There is a switch that is used to select which motor, either alt or az. There are two red buttons on the controller which operate the direction of the motors. At first I thought it was going to be awkward in operation, having to switch back and for between motors, but it worked well in practice. Much more comfortable than having reach each of the knobs to manually turn them. The motors come attached to mounting plates that then are attached to the Voyager mount, one at the point that the alt head attaches to the ext arm and the other at the point where the ext arm attaches to the az assembly. JMI has done a good job of making sure their stuff can be mounted securely. Once the motors are attached it is not possible to use the slo-mo knobs as the motors create too much resistence. In order to use the knobs, you would have to loosen one set screw on the shaft that connects the motor to the slo-mo shaft. Not a convenient thing to do if one wanted to switch back and forth between the motorized control and manual control. But if you had a motor failure while observing, it would be very easy to go back to manual slo-mo using the knobs provided you had the allen wrench available to disengage the motor from the shaft.

As far as the extention tube, to install all you need to do is loosen the three set screws where the az assembly attaches to the tripod (at that shinny aluminum collar) The head then unscrews from the shinny aluminum collar, the ext tube is screwed on to the tripod and secured with the three set screws and then the mount head is screwed onto the ext tube and secured with three new set screws provided with the ext tube. I needed the ext tube since I am 6'-4", so it was a bit low without the extention. I do use a Star Bound adjustible chair when observing, but there are just times with I like to stand. You may find that you are OK without the extention.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2920335 - 02/10/09 07:58 PM

Thanks,David. I am writing this on my iPhone so
Will be short. Typing on the keyboard is slow. I'll send more later. I'll try to upload a picture later.
Dorothy


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mischief
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2924353 - 02/12/09 08:30 PM

Hi, David, I'm back on my computer so can write a little more altho not much to add. Rain has come to Northern California so I can't try anything.

Question: I have problems lifting and carrying anything very heavy. I can barely manage the Voyager. You mentioned that you took the az assembly off the tripod to put the extension tube on. Would it be possible for me to take that az assembly off the tripod, keeping the arm, az assembly and alt assembly together and carry tripod and and az/alt/arm combination separately? I don't want to mess anything up or void any warranties.

Thanks in advance,
Dorothy


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2924602 - 02/12/09 11:01 PM

Rain is also headed to So. Cal so I can relate. Looks to be off and on thru the weekend. Where in No. Cal do you live? I'm located in Thousand Oaks.

I don't see any issues removing and reinstalling the head assembly from the tripod repeatedly. Only issue is that you run the risk of cross threading when putting putting together. Be careful not to strip out the set screws that go thru the aluminum collar.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2924630 - 02/12/09 11:21 PM

Hi David, if I may offer Dorothy a suggestion here.

Dorothy, you should be able to take off the entire head assembly as you mention by simply loosening and removing the single hex-head bolt underneath the tripod. In fact, you might be able to replace the hex-head with a knurled head bolt, making it easier to take apart and put together.


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2925936 - 02/13/09 04:04 PM

Very good Steve, I hadn't thought of the threaded collar being secured to the top of the tripod by that bolt. That would certainly be safer and quicker than messing with the set screws and what not. Much less chance of cross threading or stripping anything. Thanks for weighing in.

- David


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mischief
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2928065 - 02/14/09 08:24 PM

Thanks, David and Steve,
David, I live in Redding; right now it is pouring and forecast is for more Pacific storms forever and ever, it seems. You'll probably get some. On moving the head, I noticed the bolt, it is somewhat hard to reach. I had in mind removing the head the same way I can take the Versago mount off the tripod which is very easy. I'll have to experiment. Maybe I'll try weight lifting and get my arms stronger so I won't have to move anything.

I'll try to take a picture of the Lunt scope; I may do it with my iPhone to which I can easily transfer a photo by email. Then I can upload it here. David, a suggestion; if you are really interested in the Lunt scope, you might think about ordering one soon because they seem to be very much backordered. Go to the Yahoo group: luntsolar@yahoogroups.com. There is a lot of information there. The scope is very well made and with the SolSearcher "finder" it is extremely easy to find the sun. I still am learning how to use it; have a little trouble focussing. Of course having to mess with the other mount didn't help any.

Thanks again for advice and suggestions.
Dorothy

Orion ST 80
Orion StarBlast
Vixen VMC 110
Lunt 60T H alpha B600
Orion VersaGo
A-T Voyager
Canon IS 10x30 binoculars


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Luigi
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2928708 - 02/15/09 08:07 AM Attachment (43 downloads)

Lunt on a Celestron SLT mount. $270 and tracks the sun wonderfully using its internal AA batteries. I can leave it setup, go back out hours later, and the sun is still nicely centered. The mount is solid but the tripod is a bit wobbly unless set low.

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mischief
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Luigi]
      #2945423 - 02/23/09 06:58 PM

Hi again, Well the sky cleared and the sun was visible for one day last week. I set up the Voyager and the Lunt with binoviewer and later a single eyepiece. Things mostly went well. The Voyage was solid, solid with the binoviewer, easy to manually slew and the slo mo controls are great. I could keep the sun centered in the Sol Searcher easily (much better than having to move the mount manually where I would constantly overshoot (refer to VersaGo). Couldn't tell too much about the binoviewer because the sun disappeared behind some trees (trees great for shade, bad for astronomy). Had to extend tripod legs for first try. Second try in afternoon when sun was lower; then everything was too high ( I am short, about 5'4") so went to single eyepiece with some success until trees got in the way again. Overall I am very pleased with the Voyager; am glad I got it and I think it will serve me very well for all my OTA's. Don't think I need the extension tube; may get the JMI motor slew later. The slo mo controls are very easy to use manually.

Would recommend the Voyager.

Orion ST 80
Lunt 60T H alpha
Vixen VMC 110
Orion StarBlast
AT Voyager
Orion VersaGo
Vixen SkyPod (want to sell it)
Orion binoviewer


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2950797 - 02/26/09 11:44 AM

I finally was able to spend some time under the stars on Monday night with the Voyager. Between the cloudy skies and other projects I have not been able to do any viewing prevously. Spend some time in Orion viewing the Trapezium, then viewed Saturn and Comet Lulin once they rose high enough in the sky. I am pleased with the performance of the MicroSlew motors. Very easy to keep target centered in the eyepiece with out having to touch the mount. One mod I made is the use of self adhesive Velcro dots on the back of the hand controller and at several locations on the mount (all three legs and on the angled arm) so that I have convenient places to hold the controller instead of letting it just hang from the wires when I need to use my hands for other things.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2951666 - 02/26/09 07:44 PM

Sounds good, David. When viewing the sun, I didn't need the motors as just a gentle tweak of the slow motion knobs kept it in view. It was so nice not to have to fiddle with holding onto the altitude axis.

I guess your weather cleared up in Southern California. Today was sunny with clouds and windy so I didn't try to observe the sun today. Tomorrow is supposed to rain again; don't know if you'll get some also.

On another note; how far are you from Anza-Borrega? I know it is near San Diego. The reason I am asking is because there is a fairly well-known astrophotographer, Dennis Mammama who has classes there plus some observing sessions and star parties. He sends out a newsletter from time to time. I wish I could get down there, but it is too far for a casual trip. If you are interested, I'll send you his email.


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2953359 - 02/27/09 04:25 PM

Anza-Borrego is 3.5 to 4 hours drive. I am between LA and Santa Barbara. Mt. Pinos is about an hour drive and a big astrophotography location here in So. Cal.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2955369 - 02/28/09 06:17 PM

David, I don't know where Mt. Pinos is, but I am envious if you are close to dark skies. I am fairly near the WhiskeyTown State (National?) Park, but don't want to go out there alone. The local "astronomy group" has star parties there during spring and summer, but when I asked for help getting there, nada. So for now I'll stick to my backyard and observe the sun (if it ever stops raining; rain is forecast for all next week; you'll probably get it too.)

Maybe I'll get to Anza-Borrego sometime with my trailer.
Dorothy


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