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David P
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AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew
      #2885039 - 01/24/09 01:00 PM

Anyone have experience with using JMI's MicroSlew alt/az motors on the Voyager?

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2886254 - 01/25/09 01:44 AM

No, but I just got my Voyager and was wondering about some type of motor drive.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: paul hart]
      #2886504 - 01/25/09 09:09 AM

I had been looking at the Voyager but got a Celstron 60SLT for $270, tossed the OTA and kept the mount for my 6+lb OTA. It is a full featured go-to alt-az mount and works very well. The tripod is a bit wobbly but is reasonable if not extended. I think it'd be fine witha 10 lb OTA. I plan to put together better legs for it. For the price, it can't be beat.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: paul hart]
      #2886701 - 01/25/09 10:46 AM

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No, but I just got my Voyager and was wondering about some type of motor drive.




As you may know, the JMI Micro-Slew is not a motor drive for tracking. It's a "push a button and hold it down" hand held motorized control for the manual slow motion knobs. A nice idea for $189.

To bring up another point, Argo Navis has a mount encoder kit for the AT Voyager, but it, also, is not a tracking "motor drive." It's around $340 delivered.
http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au/kits/pn-atv-spec_describe.html


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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: Fred1]
      #2887740 - 01/25/09 07:39 PM

Well, I'll let you know how they work. I have a Voyager, 8" extension tube and MicroSlew's coming Tues or Wed. I hope the tripod for the Voyager is the later model with the proper threads for the extension tube. Didn't read the whole page on the Astronomics website before order the extension tube. One can only hope that distributers are only selling the new model tripod.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2887771 - 01/25/09 07:58 PM

I can't imagine a micro slew being useful for the Voyager, which has nice slo-mos, but to each his own.

But, JMI does have a DSC set for the Voyager, which I may be interested in, once I upgrade the tripod.


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: dvb]
      #2887995 - 01/25/09 09:32 PM

Well, ain't that the idea. To take advantage of the nice slo-mos without having to touch the mount, eliminating vibrations and such.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2888753 - 01/26/09 09:48 AM

Enjoy your purchase. We'll look forward to your report.

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David P
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: dvb]
      #2896549 - 01/29/09 08:16 PM

Received all the packages yesterday; mount from High Point Scientific, ext tube from Astronomics and MicroSlew's from JMI.

Thankfully, the tripod collar was threaded, so the ext tube mounted without problems. The Voyager went together well despite the lack of any instructions. Found out later they are available on the Astronomic website.

The alt head is missing the three recessed set screws that secure the adapter to the slow motion assembly. E-mail to AstroTech and they are on the way. The MicroSlew motors mount very nicely to the slow motion controls. Controller has 3 position switch for different speeds. On the two slow settings the motor starts in the slow speed and then kicks into a faster speed after a few seconds. Of course, slow and fast are a very relative thing. Even on fast speed it takes 20+ seconds to make one complete revolution. So keeping your chosen target in the eyepiece at high magnification should not be an issue.

Last issue is that the TeleVue dovetail mounting plate that I ordered with the mount turned out to be a Rigel Quik Finder. Apparently the boxes look very similar to the shipping boys. At any rate, no testing with the Pronto till next week when the correct part arrives. Dave at High Point was very helpful with correcting the situation, I must say.

All and all I am pleased with the quality of the mount. The height of the mount is excellent with the ext tube. Will have to see how it works with scope attached, next week.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2906816 - 02/03/09 11:59 PM

Sounds promising, let us know how the motors work out David. I'm considering either a set of these or a GEM for use in high-power lunar/planetary work. Also, can you safely use the manual slow-motion controls with the motors attached, or do you have to disconnect the motors first to prevent burnout?

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2907955 - 02/04/09 04:41 PM

I'll let you know how it goes. The only item I am waiting on is the TeleVue dovetail plate, which should arrive this afternoon (just in time for stormy weather, go figure over a week of zero clouds and low humidity). Anyway, may get to try it out this evening before the clouds get too heavy.

In answer to your question on the slow-motion controls, once the motors are attached you cannot turn the slow-mo knobs at all (too stiff due to resistence from motors). However, they do not interfere with the clutch disengage function of the mount so that the scope is still able to be pushed by hand to obtain general positioning before fine tuning using the motors. Motors attach to slow-mo spindle via allen head set screw, so that would have to be loosened in order to use slow-mo knobs. I will attach a picture of the whole thing this evening after the dovetail plate comes.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2908056 - 02/04/09 05:31 PM

Thanks David. I sent an email to JMI also and waiting to hear from them, perhaps they'll suggest a setup w/ thumbscrews instead of allens, or another quick release setup.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2908620 - 02/04/09 10:51 PM Attachment (78 downloads)

I've attached a picture of the new setup with scope attached. I was able to get a few minutes under the stars before they completely hazed over tonight. Also some moon time with the Nagler zoom.

It took a little time getting used to the function of the hand controller, but I can definitely say that it makes a big difference in comfort not to having to reach out with both arms to reach the slow-motion knobs. One had resting on your leg with the hand controller making all the directional changes. With a little practice, using your thumb to toggle the switch back and forth controlling the altitude and azimuth adjustments. Very smooth, even at 160x. I know $200 is a lot for the MicroSlew setup, but it is definitely an aid to comfortable viewing. Controller runs on one 9v battery, so it is very self-contained. I used some velcro dots in several locations on the mount for attachment points for the hand controller.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2908631 - 02/04/09 10:55 PM Attachment (63 downloads)

Here is another picture.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2908687 - 02/04/09 11:21 PM

Thanks David, that sure is a nice setup you have there.

Edited by Steve Cox (02/05/09 02:59 PM)


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2908793 - 02/05/09 12:08 AM

I hope they work well for you. I like that the motor for the az motion does not stick out so far as to hinder the scope from reaching zenith. You might find out that you like the motors all the time as you can push the scope to roughly the right location and then motor from there. That is one thing that attracted me to the Voyager, no locks to loosen before being able to move the scope. I have a older GEM with manual controls and I always had to unlock the motion before manually slewing to new location, then work to find the slow-mo controls in the dark. On the otherhand, I didn't want to have to deal with AC or a portable battery supply, which is a nice thing about this setup, everything is self contained in the hand controller. Only thing I don't know yet is how long the battery will last under normal use. Plus, if something going wrong while observing, just a couple of turns with an allen wrench or two and you can put the slow-mo controls back in operation. I was considering the Mini-Tower at the same time as the Voyager, but a malfunction with the hand controller or the head unit and you are dead in the water. No manual override.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2911617 - 02/06/09 12:48 PM

Steve, let me know if you do as far as motors or not. Interested to hear if you devise any mods. Looks like we've got rain here in So. Cal thru tomorrow and then again on Sunday night and Monday. So it looks to be a while before I can do some more testing of the set-up. Last weekend I poured a 9'x9' pad of concrete in the backyard for my semi-permanent observatory. Basically, I created a blind using 8'x10' tarps suspended by metal tubing. Blocks out all direct lighting from the house and neighbors yards. Had a temporary set-up with 4 panels using PVC pipe and tarps, but storing and setting up got to be a bit much, so this will be more permanent. Will just take down the tarp when not using for a period of time.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2912012 - 02/06/09 04:48 PM

Well, I decided not to order the motors David. After talkng on the phone with JMI, I was told it wouldn't work unless I could find the right size thumbscrew and still have enough clearance. Well, I didn't want to spend money on this unknown; I'd rather either save my money or put it to an AS-GT for when I want an automated setup if I decide I really want one.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2912291 - 02/06/09 07:22 PM

David, thanks for your posts. After much soul-searching and review searching, I finally ordered a AT Voyager from Astronomics. It is supposed to be delivered tomorrow, Sat 7 Feb. I didn't know about the motors from JMI. I don't think I can afford them right now after buying the Voyager but it is nice to know about them. Please keep us posted on how you like them. Thanks,
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2912480 - 02/06/09 09:35 PM Attachment (51 downloads)

Congratulations on your purchase. I think that you will enjoy it.

My mount was missing the instructions. If you find the same situation you can download them off of the Astronomics website (look on the left side of their mainpage for a box titled "Information Library". Select the link "Instruction Manuals" then the hyperlink for "Astro-Tech Manuals").

My Voyager was missing three set screws in the altitude mechanism (see photo). Sent an e-mail to Astro-Tech and they mailed the missing screws.

I would strongly recommend the extension tube sold by Astronomics (do a search "ATVEXT", which is the part# on their site). It raises the scope to a more comfortable height. The short(ish) tripod is one of the most common complaints about the voyager.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2912575 - 02/06/09 10:37 PM

Have any idea what those set screws actually do?

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2912963 - 02/07/09 08:31 AM

Quote:


I would strongly recommend the extension tube sold by Astronomics (do a search "ATVEXT", which is the part# on their site). It raises the scope to a more comfortable height. The short(ish) tripod is one of the most common complaints about the voyager.

- David




David,

First, thanks for all the "hands on" info regarding the Voyager. After a frustrating sequence of events regarding the Orion SVP AltAz mount (see various other threads in the "mounts" forum) last night I ordered the AT Voyager. The JMI MicroSlew may come later, not sure on that yet. I do have a question regarding the extension though. It would be nice to get the scope higher but Ive had a bad experience with such an extension. I had an extension for my SVP EQ mount last year and it introduced a lot of vibration to the setup. Without the extension the mount is near rock solid with my SV102ED attached. Vibrations dampen in about 1 second at worst. When I added the extension vibrations took 2.5 to 3 seconds to dissipate. It was acting like a "tuning fork". I'd love to know that the Voyager with extension does not have this problem. Of course, using a short scope like the TV76 stability is probably not a real problem. But have you tried the mount without and with the extension? If so, any difference that you can discern?

Bill


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: StargazerBill]
      #2913692 - 02/07/09 03:43 PM

Hi Bill (love the Mini icon by the way), I have not tried the mount without the extension. To be honest, by the time I got all the parts to be able to mount the Pronto, the clouds and rain arrived and continue. So other than about 20 minutes on Wednesday night, I have not been able to do any observing. I was able to view the moon at 160x on Wed night but did not record the dampening time. Was mostly getting used to the operation of the Micro-Slew. I enjoy double stars, so will let you know how it goes once the skies clear.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2913708 - 02/07/09 03:59 PM

Psyire, I learned from a previous post on CN (posted on 11/26/08 by swsantos) that those three set screws keep the alt head attached to the assembly. The instructions indicate that these should remain tight at all time (they are not the screws that Patrick incorrectly indicates in the same post as voiding the warranty, those are located on the end of the assembly attaching the black cap with the Astro Tech logo on it, opposite the dovetail bracket).

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2914120 - 02/07/09 08:22 PM

Thanks David, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: Psyire]
      #2914453 - 02/07/09 11:36 PM

You're welcome Psyire, glad to help. I did fail to mention that despite the missing screws I was unable to detect any looseness or play in the alt assembly. I was not able to get the head to separate by pulling on it. Despite that, I felt it important to get the screws from Astro-Tech and install them before mounting a scope. I was awaiting the dovetail plate anyhow, so it didn't put me out any.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2918413 - 02/09/09 08:30 PM

Thanks, David, I just received my Voyager on Saturday and put it together with no problem. Instructions were included, but I had already downloaded them from the Astronomics site (where I purchased the Voyager). The only problem I had was due to my inability to hold onto the bolts (gravity hates me; everything falls on the floor). which kept falling on the floor and had to be found; they bounce. I set it up with my Orion ST80 and the Lunt 60THa and the binoviewer. The setup seemed stable enough, no slipping on the altitude axis which I had with the VersaGo. This was just in the house; haven't tried it for real yet. One nice touch. There was an extra flat metal plate in the bag with the bolts and the wrenches. I wondered what it was; looked at the printing on it and it is a screwdriver with which to loosen or tighten the "bolts" for tension on the altitude and azimuth axis.

Question: do the JMI slewing motors allow tracking?

I think I'll try it without the extender, then if I need it, I can get it. I am fairly short and like to sit down so the regular height may be ok. How do you put the extender on; do you have to remove the whole mount including the azimuth from the tripod or take the whole thing apart, put in the extender then put everything back together.
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2919324 - 02/10/09 10:46 AM

Hello Dorothy, I am glad to hear that everything went together will for you. I'd love to see a picture of your set-up with the Lunt. Been eyeing those but don't want to spend the $$ right now. They look really well made.

I did not wind up using that "screwdriver" for anything. I assume it is for using on the tensioners for the alt and az, but I find I can get the set just by hand. One thing I did encounter when assemblying my mount is that when I unscrewed one of those tension screws, no only did the screw come out, but the chrome base that the tension screw screws into. So I wound up using a little Loc-Tite to secure the chrome base in its threaded hole in the head assembly and then screwing the tension screw back into the chrome base. Did that for both the alt and az tensioners.

To your other questions: The motors do not allow tracking. The hand controller operates one motor at a time. There is a switch that is used to select which motor, either alt or az. There are two red buttons on the controller which operate the direction of the motors. At first I thought it was going to be awkward in operation, having to switch back and for between motors, but it worked well in practice. Much more comfortable than having reach each of the knobs to manually turn them. The motors come attached to mounting plates that then are attached to the Voyager mount, one at the point that the alt head attaches to the ext arm and the other at the point where the ext arm attaches to the az assembly. JMI has done a good job of making sure their stuff can be mounted securely. Once the motors are attached it is not possible to use the slo-mo knobs as the motors create too much resistence. In order to use the knobs, you would have to loosen one set screw on the shaft that connects the motor to the slo-mo shaft. Not a convenient thing to do if one wanted to switch back and forth between the motorized control and manual control. But if you had a motor failure while observing, it would be very easy to go back to manual slo-mo using the knobs provided you had the allen wrench available to disengage the motor from the shaft.

As far as the extention tube, to install all you need to do is loosen the three set screws where the az assembly attaches to the tripod (at that shinny aluminum collar) The head then unscrews from the shinny aluminum collar, the ext tube is screwed on to the tripod and secured with the three set screws and then the mount head is screwed onto the ext tube and secured with three new set screws provided with the ext tube. I needed the ext tube since I am 6'-4", so it was a bit low without the extention. I do use a Star Bound adjustible chair when observing, but there are just times with I like to stand. You may find that you are OK without the extention.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2920335 - 02/10/09 07:58 PM

Thanks,David. I am writing this on my iPhone so
Will be short. Typing on the keyboard is slow. I'll send more later. I'll try to upload a picture later.
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2924353 - 02/12/09 08:30 PM

Hi, David, I'm back on my computer so can write a little more altho not much to add. Rain has come to Northern California so I can't try anything.

Question: I have problems lifting and carrying anything very heavy. I can barely manage the Voyager. You mentioned that you took the az assembly off the tripod to put the extension tube on. Would it be possible for me to take that az assembly off the tripod, keeping the arm, az assembly and alt assembly together and carry tripod and and az/alt/arm combination separately? I don't want to mess anything up or void any warranties.

Thanks in advance,
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2924602 - 02/12/09 11:01 PM

Rain is also headed to So. Cal so I can relate. Looks to be off and on thru the weekend. Where in No. Cal do you live? I'm located in Thousand Oaks.

I don't see any issues removing and reinstalling the head assembly from the tripod repeatedly. Only issue is that you run the risk of cross threading when putting putting together. Be careful not to strip out the set screws that go thru the aluminum collar.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2924630 - 02/12/09 11:21 PM

Hi David, if I may offer Dorothy a suggestion here.

Dorothy, you should be able to take off the entire head assembly as you mention by simply loosening and removing the single hex-head bolt underneath the tripod. In fact, you might be able to replace the hex-head with a knurled head bolt, making it easier to take apart and put together.


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: ................]
      #2925936 - 02/13/09 04:04 PM

Very good Steve, I hadn't thought of the threaded collar being secured to the top of the tripod by that bolt. That would certainly be safer and quicker than messing with the set screws and what not. Much less chance of cross threading or stripping anything. Thanks for weighing in.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: David P]
      #2928065 - 02/14/09 08:24 PM

Thanks, David and Steve,
David, I live in Redding; right now it is pouring and forecast is for more Pacific storms forever and ever, it seems. You'll probably get some. On moving the head, I noticed the bolt, it is somewhat hard to reach. I had in mind removing the head the same way I can take the Versago mount off the tripod which is very easy. I'll have to experiment. Maybe I'll try weight lifting and get my arms stronger so I won't have to move anything.

I'll try to take a picture of the Lunt scope; I may do it with my iPhone to which I can easily transfer a photo by email. Then I can upload it here. David, a suggestion; if you are really interested in the Lunt scope, you might think about ordering one soon because they seem to be very much backordered. Go to the Yahoo group: luntsolar@yahoogroups.com. There is a lot of information there. The scope is very well made and with the SolSearcher "finder" it is extremely easy to find the sun. I still am learning how to use it; have a little trouble focussing. Of course having to mess with the other mount didn't help any.

Thanks again for advice and suggestions.
Dorothy

Orion ST 80
Orion StarBlast
Vixen VMC 110
Lunt 60T H alpha B600
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew new [Re: mischief]
      #2928708 - 02/15/09 08:07 AM Attachment (43 downloads)

Lunt on a Celestron SLT mount. $270 and tracks the sun wonderfully using its internal AA batteries. I can leave it setup, go back out hours later, and the sun is still nicely centered. The mount is solid but the tripod is a bit wobbly unless set low.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Luigi]
      #2945423 - 02/23/09 06:58 PM

Hi again, Well the sky cleared and the sun was visible for one day last week. I set up the Voyager and the Lunt with binoviewer and later a single eyepiece. Things mostly went well. The Voyage was solid, solid with the binoviewer, easy to manually slew and the slo mo controls are great. I could keep the sun centered in the Sol Searcher easily (much better than having to move the mount manually where I would constantly overshoot (refer to VersaGo). Couldn't tell too much about the binoviewer because the sun disappeared behind some trees (trees great for shade, bad for astronomy). Had to extend tripod legs for first try. Second try in afternoon when sun was lower; then everything was too high ( I am short, about 5'4") so went to single eyepiece with some success until trees got in the way again. Overall I am very pleased with the Voyager; am glad I got it and I think it will serve me very well for all my OTA's. Don't think I need the extension tube; may get the JMI motor slew later. The slo mo controls are very easy to use manually.

Would recommend the Voyager.

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Orion StarBlast
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2950797 - 02/26/09 11:44 AM

I finally was able to spend some time under the stars on Monday night with the Voyager. Between the cloudy skies and other projects I have not been able to do any viewing prevously. Spend some time in Orion viewing the Trapezium, then viewed Saturn and Comet Lulin once they rose high enough in the sky. I am pleased with the performance of the MicroSlew motors. Very easy to keep target centered in the eyepiece with out having to touch the mount. One mod I made is the use of self adhesive Velcro dots on the back of the hand controller and at several locations on the mount (all three legs and on the angled arm) so that I have convenient places to hold the controller instead of letting it just hang from the wires when I need to use my hands for other things.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2951666 - 02/26/09 07:44 PM

Sounds good, David. When viewing the sun, I didn't need the motors as just a gentle tweak of the slow motion knobs kept it in view. It was so nice not to have to fiddle with holding onto the altitude axis.

I guess your weather cleared up in Southern California. Today was sunny with clouds and windy so I didn't try to observe the sun today. Tomorrow is supposed to rain again; don't know if you'll get some also.

On another note; how far are you from Anza-Borrega? I know it is near San Diego. The reason I am asking is because there is a fairly well-known astrophotographer, Dennis Mammama who has classes there plus some observing sessions and star parties. He sends out a newsletter from time to time. I wish I could get down there, but it is too far for a casual trip. If you are interested, I'll send you his email.


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2953359 - 02/27/09 04:25 PM

Anza-Borrego is 3.5 to 4 hours drive. I am between LA and Santa Barbara. Mt. Pinos is about an hour drive and a big astrophotography location here in So. Cal.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2955369 - 02/28/09 06:17 PM

David, I don't know where Mt. Pinos is, but I am envious if you are close to dark skies. I am fairly near the WhiskeyTown State (National?) Park, but don't want to go out there alone. The local "astronomy group" has star parties there during spring and summer, but when I asked for help getting there, nada. So for now I'll stick to my backyard and observe the sun (if it ever stops raining; rain is forecast for all next week; you'll probably get it too.)

Maybe I'll get to Anza-Borrego sometime with my trailer.
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2964321 - 03/04/09 10:16 PM

I ordered the motors from JMI today for my voyager. I think it will make the mount much better (the cable is unusable in azimuth because of interference with the OTA in my case). Those knobs require a fair amount of torque to turn though - any issues with the motors not having enough juice to turn the knobs?

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Tim C]
      #2967847 - 03/06/09 02:34 PM

No issues. The motors are definitely up to the task. I have not had enough time using the setup to determine battery life though. Hand controller holds one 9v battery. When installing the motors follow the instructions as there are a couple of screws that mount the motors to the mounting plates. Start with these screws loosened up so that the motors align with the slow motion shaftes on the mount. The instructions advise to run the motors thru a couple of rotations after installation while listening for a change in the sound of the motor, which would indicate binding. It was very easy to attach them and get it all working. I highly recommend some strategically placed velcro dots on the tripod for easy attachment of the hand controller when not in use.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2967939 - 03/06/09 03:15 PM

Thanks David. I love Velcro so I'll be taking your recommendation on that one for sure.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Tim C]
      #2968354 - 03/06/09 06:48 PM

Hi, David, I am still thinking about the JMI MicroSlew motors. First do you think they are really worth the $189. I guess so since you bought them. Second, when using the motors, do you tighten the little knobs that regulate the tightness of the axes. I don't think I am explaining myself; I hope you know what I mean. When I wanted to slew the scope without the slomo, I loosened them so altitude and azimuth moved very easily. Should this be the way to set them or should they be as tight as I can make them? Silly question, but it just occurred to me.
Thanks
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2969516 - 03/07/09 11:51 AM

Actually I took the dec head apart encouraged by astronomy boys dissection of the CG-5... Very sticky grease indeed, well it is now washed away as is the warranty :-). I lubricated it with a CRC product based on lithium-EP grease.
It moves much better now and the dec knob is very easily turned now! So, can someone give me a web address to the JMI MicroSlew drives... Please!

Brgds


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: TurboSE]
      #2969655 - 03/07/09 12:47 PM

To those that chooses to end their waranties prematurely!

The backlash is fixed by releasing the 3 screws on the black logo part, move it towards the worm gear and it will tighten. Move it in the other direction will loosen it.
I found that my worm gear in alt. is not perfect, I can feel that it is jerky at some point in one revolution of the worm gear... I feel it hard to believe that it is the pinion part (is this the real name for it? Anyway the opposite part that the worm gear moves!) that has an periodic error. The tool that created the teeth would give the same error to every teeht not just every second.
I am considering to take it out again and see if I can pinpoint the loacation on the gear and maybe fix it...

Well, the JMI stuff is not really what I was looking for, it seems that is has one set of electronics to drive one axis at the time... I am looking for a more Mel Bartel kind of a solution, maybe the drives themself are usable connected to ones own circuits? I will dig into this!

Isn't there someting called setting circles to this mount that tells you where it is pointing at the moment? I believe Bartels program has support to that as well!

Forgot tho read this early in the tread... Sorry!
http://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au/kits/pn-atv-spec_describe.html

Ok, as I still can edit this post I'll put it here.

I have a few stepper motors as shown in the attachments (If I find out how to...).

The favourites are those named Astrosyn - nice name! The problem is how to remove the print head belt part? A hacksaw takes a long time, and might fill it with debris and maybe strain the ballbearings to much. The other, Matsushita model had a sprint that hold the printer stuff, you can see the holes.

Here comes the specs:

Astrosyn:
Drive1 Drive2
23LM-C349-01 23LM-351-03
6.8V 10V
0.75VA 5.0VA
1.8DEG/Step 1.8DEG/Step

Kyushu Matsushita:
Drive1 Drive2
CBA45-01102 HB5718AF
3V 3V
3.5ohm 2.5ohm
1.8DEG/Step 1.8DEG/Step

So, is there still DIY people around? Anyone who knowes something of the usability of these motors?

If these are usable I will fix the PCB´s and mount the electronics. As I understand Martells designs are for Dobsons but they are also AltAz mounts so only the sizes of some parameters should need to be changed! A drawback with my motors are that they are not geared...

Hmm, cant find the attachment buttons... Ok, found them but my images are to big to attach...

Brgds


Edited by TurboSE (03/07/09 03:52 PM)


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: TurboSE]
      #2970793 - 03/07/09 11:36 PM

Used my Nighthawk Aplanat on the AT Voyager mount with the Micro-Slew motors. It seemed the motors weren't strong enough to lift the Nighthawk decked out with binoviewers, filter wheel and barlow but maybe I needed to balance it, didn't think of that while I was out. It moved in azimuth both ways fine and up in altitude but not down when trying to lift the back of the scope. So I set up for single eyepiece viewing and it did great. It was very stable with the 9-10lb load. Mostly about 7-8 lbs after I removed the binos and filter wheel. Quasi-tracking is very easy with the hand control. An occasional tap of the AZ button, interspersed with a tap of the ALT button easily keeps targets centered. Near rock steady with my Nighthawk, too. 5 minute set up and take down. Nice rig for quick grab and go. I spent about an hour and a half outside including set up and getting use to the motors and then settled in at at around 170x with my 3.5mm Nagler on the Moon for about a half hour and then brief view of Rigel for a few minutes. Broke down and packed up everything in about 5 minutes. I think I'll be using this set up more often when the nights are clear and time is short or when it's too cold.
I give it a big definite keeper.

The 8" pier extension is on my shortlist. Most of my viewing time was spent at zenith and seated slouched on the bottom rung of my Observing Chair.

Edited by Fred1 (03/07/09 11:42 PM)


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2973648 - 03/09/09 12:57 PM

To your question Mischief, in that timewarp between ordering the MicroSlews and receiving them I had a ting of buyers remorse as $200 is a bit of money. But after using them I am glad that I spend the $$. I have spend many years with a CG-3 GEM manipulating the slo-mo controls manually and did not want to spend more time with the Voyager with my arms extended all night grasping for slo-mo knobs. Although the hand contoller operates only one axis at a time, quickly becomes second nature switching between the two. That was my other concern, but not an issue in practice. I do make sure that the scope is balanced on the mount as best as possible and I do adjust the tension screws (little knobs) to strike a balance between easily moving the scope by hand and providing enough tension for the slo-mo to operate. Although the JMI instructions say to remove the large knobs attached to the slo-mo shafts, I did leave them on as it makes it easier to see that the motors are actually turning the shaft. If the shafts are turning but the scope isn't then I tighten the little knobs a bit. I just make sure I don't turn the large knobs as it could damage the motors. Seems like you would have to exert a good amount of force to turn the knobs as the motors put up significant resistence, so I don't think it will ever be an issue.

Fred, I would think your issue has more to do with proper balance of the scope on the mount than the motors being underpowered (but I could be wrong). I have found that if my scope isn't balanced properly, the motors will turn the shaft but the alt clutch in the mount head assembly slips not allowing the scope to move as intended. Just my 2 cents.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2974389 - 03/09/09 06:24 PM Attachment (47 downloads)

Hi David,
You'd mentioned some time back that you'd like to see my mod's on the Voyager Microslew and how they work. I decided to buy a set to try, and am very happy with them - except for one annoyance, the lack of a 4-button hand unit.

I really like the Voyager mount, and prefer manual slow motion control most of the time. But when I'm at high power (200+ using UO Orthos) I wanted a way to reduce vibrations and allow smooth slewing.

My solution was to attach the motors to the shafts opposite the eyepiece. To allow fast switching, I picked up some 8-32 1/4" brass thumbscrews from Jim at Scopestuff to swap out in place of one allen screw on each shaft (see picture). I can now very conveniently switch from manual to motorized slow motion slews. The only downside, and one I'm going to ask JMI is if they'll come out with a 4-button hand control unit. Having to constantly flip the switch from ALT to AZ and back and forth...


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: ................]
      #2974475 - 03/09/09 06:58 PM

Quote:

To allow fast switching, I picked up some 8-32 1/4" brass thumbscrews from Jim at Scopestuff to swap out in place of one allen screw on each shaft (see picture).




Brilliant.

Are you sure they are 1/4"? I see 3/8", 1/2" and 3/4" on the Scope Stuff site but no 1/4".

Edited by Fred1 (03/09/09 07:16 PM)


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2974532 - 03/09/09 07:25 PM

Yes, they're 1/4" Fred. I had the same problem when I first looked at the page. But if you look long enough at the brass thumbscrew list they'll pop out; perhaps averted vision is needed. I wound up getting the 4-pack, finding it to be the best deal, and it gives me a couple spares.

BTW - the 3/8" might work, but I'm not sure they'll clear the motor bracket when engaged, so I'd stay with the 1/4".


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      #2974635 - 03/09/09 08:20 PM

Quote:

Yes, they're 1/4" Fred. I had the same problem when I first looked at the page. But if you look long enough at the brass thumbscrew list they'll pop out; perhaps averted vision is needed.




Brilliant.


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2980057 - 03/12/09 05:34 PM

David, thanks for your reply. It seems as tho the motors are definitely worth the money. Maybe after I get my taxes figured out, I'll be able to sort of afford to get them.

The weather seems to be clearing up here in N. California so hopefully I'll be able to use the Voyager, the Lunt during the day and my ST 80 at night.

Clear skies and sunny days.

Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2980447 - 03/12/09 09:12 PM

I received mine yesterday and was able to test it under the stars some tonight. I give the JMI microslew kit two thumbs up. This is a big improvement for me. Not cheap - almost 2/3 again the cost of the mount but there is no vibration at all when slewing and it makes viewing and tracking an object much more comfortable without ruining the simplicity of the grab and go mount. I would vote for a 4 button control like others have said but it really is just a minor thing - you can easily control both knobs and flip back and forth with just one thumb.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Tim C]
      #2980684 - 03/12/09 11:35 PM

I'm glad to hear that your experience is positive. I agree with everything you've said. Once you get past the $$ factor, using them certainly increases the enjoyment of the mount. The older I get the less tolerant I am of technology that gets in the way rather than enhances the experience of observing. These definitely enhance the experience for me. I quickly got over my buyers remorse.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: David P]
      #2982178 - 03/13/09 06:39 PM

Well, David and Tim, I think you have convinced me; so to h--- with taxes; I am going to get the motors. Do they add much weight to the mount? I do have a little trouble moving the mount around. Another question concerning the mount. I notice that JMI has some kind of "thing" (don't know what it is called) to put a tripod and mount on that has wheels and can therefore be moved more easily. I guess i could go to the JMI site, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of such a gadget whereby I could move everything more easily. Thanks in advance.
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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2982583 - 03/13/09 11:21 PM

You mean something like this?
http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=29

or
the JMI Wheely Bar: http://www.jimsmobile.com/buy_wheeley_bars.htm


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2982894 - 03/14/09 04:11 AM

Well, just ordered the Voyager from Astronomics, thanks in great part to this thread. The JMI Microslew may be next. Thank you to the OP for asking the original question.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2983111 - 03/14/09 09:15 AM

Quote:

I am going to get the motors. Do they add much weight to the mount?


I guess they weigh a pound or two but I didn't really notice any difference when lifting the entire mount. Adding the velcro keeps the HC from swinging around when you move the mount so you will want to do that.

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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Tim C]
      #2983936 - 03/14/09 05:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I am going to get the motors. Do they add much weight to the mount?


I guess they weigh a pound or two but I didn't really notice any difference when lifting the entire mount. Adding the velcro keeps the HC from swinging around when you move the mount so you will want to do that.




I use an old cell phone holster that the HC fits in perfectly. Our local Dollar Store has tons of them. I might get two more, so they are on each leg, then there's no need to reach around the tripod to holster the HC.


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2984178 - 03/14/09 07:47 PM

If they weigh more than a pound, it can't be much more than that. Really not an issue as far as significantly adding weight to the overall package.

- David


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: Fred1]
      #2985897 - 03/15/09 07:07 PM

Fred,1, thank you very much. The ScopeBuggy looks exactly what I was thinking of. I know that it is for large mounts and large OTA's but I assume it would work with the Voyager. It seems very versatile. I looked at the JMI wheeley bars and it seems as tho you have to choose a paricular Wheeley Bar depending on distances between tripod legs. From description, it looks as tho the ScopeBuggy will work with any tripod. I'll check out that site; I've seen it advertised in Astronomy magazine, but didn't think about it until now. So thanks again.
Dorothy


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Re: AT Voyager and JMI MicroSlew + Voyager remarks new [Re: mischief]
      #2986089 - 03/15/09 09:34 PM

That's great Dorothy. Good luck with whichever you choose.

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