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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

Let's see your Pempro results!
#2984399 - 03/14/09 10:20 PM Attachment (95 downloads)

What an awesome program! I finally had a night of good seeing. I was able to get a very good pec training. What have you folks that use PemPro had for results? Here is my mounts uncorrected PE.

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: lineman_16735]
#2984401 - 03/14/09 10:21 PM Attachment (84 downloads)

And the result after uploading the curve and applying PEC.

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DeanS
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: lineman_16735]
#2984883 - 03/15/09 09:09 AM Attachment (73 downloads)

This is my 1200GTO PE out of the box, PEC off.

Chris yours is friggin Fantastic

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DeanS
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky

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[Re: DeanS]
#2984891 - 03/15/09 09:12 AM Attachment (60 downloads)

And this is the only test I did with factory supplied PEC on. I know I could get it better under steady skies but it guides so well don't see any reason to bother, other than for bragging

I do love this mount.

I have not done my Mach1GTO yet, but again it guides so well I don't need to know.

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WadeH237
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 02/24/07

Loc: Snohomish, WA

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: DeanS]
#2985117 - 03/15/09 11:28 AM

You guys with the AP mounts are making me jealous.

I don't have a Pempro graph of my CGE handy, but it definitely doesn't look like that. With PEC, I get my overall PE down to 2 or 3 arc seconds, but there is some high frequency noise that I can't smooth out.

I have an AP1200 in my future, but my wife has a list of things that she wants done before I order it (and then there's the wait time after that...) I think that I'm about 2 years out.

-Wade

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nik hodges
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 04/20/07

Loc: UK

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: WadeH237]
#2985202 - 03/15/09 12:20 PM Attachment (61 downloads)

cant compete with that but here is an idea of what it can do with a lesser mount (lx200acf fork). An AP mount is is in my future too

red before
blue after

-)

N

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DrBuck
professor emeritus

Reged: 12/10/08

Loc: Susanville, No. Calif.

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: nik hodges]
#2985237 - 03/15/09 12:39 PM

Anybody know how Pempro compares to Celestrons Free Pectool??

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Miguel Lopes
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 01/04/07

Loc: Portugal

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: lineman_16735]
#2985317 - 03/15/09 01:22 PM

Vixen SXD out of the box, no PEC applyed. +5.3/-6.3
Too bad the DEC motor is not that good...

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DeanS
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: Miguel Lopes]
#2985326 - 03/15/09 01:27 PM

The DEC axis does not have period error since it does not continually turn in a direction. If you have large spikes then that is probably gear backlash.

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: DeanS]
#2985364 - 03/15/09 01:51 PM

Quote:

And this is the only test I did with factory supplied PEC on. I know I could get it better under steady skies but it guides so well don't see any reason to bother, other than for bragging I do love this mount.

I have not done my Mach1GTO yet, but again it guides so well I don't need to know.

Although my 900 and your 1200 have about the same total PE your "swings" are more gradual. I'm a software junkie and I love to look at this type of data. I'm sure your 1200 can be brought below an arc second with PEC. Although as you said it's not something you have to do but it sure is fun to try

I would really like to see your Mach 1 curve since I should be getting the call for one soon.

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: nik hodges]
#2985370 - 03/15/09 01:53 PM

Nik,

Those are some pretty awesome results! It's not about a competition but about the magical power of PemPro

you should be very, very happy with that result.

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lineman_16735
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Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: Miguel Lopes]
#2985373 - 03/15/09 01:55 PM

Miguel,

Do you have a corrected curve to share? My buddy has a SXD and soon I hope to run Pempro on his mount and see what kind of corrected results we can obtain.

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: DrBuck]
#2985379 - 03/15/09 01:57 PM

Have no experience with the Celestron tool. Pempro has many, many useful features though. You can use Pempro for polar alignment as well. There is a free fully functional trial of Pempro at the CCDWare website. If you have not tried it you should.

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freestar8n
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 10/12/07

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[Re: DrBuck]
#2985416 - 03/15/09 02:23 PM

Quote:

Anybody know how Pempro compares to Celestrons Free Pectool??

The free PECTool works fine to remove the fundamental and harmonics of my CGE. What remains is gearbox noise that cannot be removed by PEC - so there is no benefit in reducing the fundamental further.

I just record 8-10 periods while autoguiding, and the PECTool averages them and loads them into the mount. No bells or whistles, but works great.

Examples of my autoguided results, with PEC trained by PECTool, are at:

CGE images guided with PEC trained by PECTool

Just to be clear, I train PEC by autoguiding, and I image with PEC enabled - since it does reduce the work done by the autoguider. I see no conflict between PEC and autoguiding, and PEC during autoguiding does seem to help when in the 2" fwhm regime.

Frank

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DrBuck
professor emeritus

Reged: 12/10/08

Loc: Susanville, No. Calif.

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[Re: freestar8n]
#2985845 - 03/15/09 06:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Anybody know how Pempro compares to Celestrons Free Pectool??

The free PECTool works fine to remove the fundamental and harmonics of my CGE. What remains is gearbox noise that cannot be removed by PEC - so there is no benefit in reducing the fundamental further.

I just record 8-10 periods while autoguiding, and the PECTool averages them and loads them into the mount. No bells or whistles, but works great.

Examples of my autoguided results, with PEC trained by PECTool, are at:

CGE images guided with PEC trained by PECTool

Just to be clear, I train PEC by autoguiding, and I image with PEC enabled - since it does reduce the work done by the autoguider. I see no conflict between PEC and autoguiding, and PEC during autoguiding does seem to help when in the 2" fwhm regime.

Frank

Frank----thanks. Great photos. Haven't had mine long enough to work out the bugs. But soon--------

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Miguel Lopes
scholastic sledgehammer

Reged: 01/04/07

Loc: Portugal

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[Re: lineman_16735]
#2985880 - 03/15/09 06:57 PM

Quote:

Miguel,

Do you have a corrected curve to share? My buddy has a SXD and soon I hope to run Pempro on his mount and see what kind of corrected results we can obtain.

Forget it. The PEC feature in SXD is useless. You can't program it from the PC and you have to redo it each time you power the mount...
One of SXD's firmware disapointments...

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Tapio
Pooh-Bah

Reged: 09/24/06

Loc: Tampere, Finland

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: Miguel Lopes]
#2985896 - 03/15/09 07:06 PM

Interesting thread.
Here's a graph of our clubs LX200 mount (not done with Pempro but with K3CCDTools and PEAS):
http://einarin.1g.fi/kuvat/meade/meade_pec_280908.jpg
Not too bad I think.

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DeanS
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: Tapio]
#2988107 - 03/17/09 12:05 AM Attachment (42 downloads)

Ok, I did a couple PemPro runs tonight with the 1200, seeing was not great but what an improvement over the factory curve. Or maybe I just have it broke in and should have run it earlier. I will try to refine it when we get some better conditions. But it went from 1.55 to 0.66 peak to peak. I can live with that.

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: DeanS]
#2988112 - 03/17/09 12:08 AM

Quote:

Ok, I did a couple PemPro runs tonight with the 1200, seeing was not great but what an improvement over the factory curve. Or maybe I just have it broke in and should have run it earlier. I will try to refine it when we get some better conditions. But it went from 1.55 to 0.66 peak to peak. I can live with that.

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mclewis1
Thread Killer

Reged: 02/25/06

Loc: New Brunswick, Canada

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: DeanS]
#2988186 - 03/17/09 01:23 AM

Quote:

But it went from 1.55 to 0.66 peak to peak. I can live with that.

Do ya think? Less than an arc second peak to peak is scary good.

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

Re: Let's see your Pempro results! new

[Re: mclewis1]
#2988434 - 03/17/09 08:26 AM

Very nice Dean. I'm betting a refinement will not make a difference. Look at your frequency spectrum. Are any of your remaining errors fundamentals? Ray (the author of pempro) recently advised me that there was no gain to be made with a refinement with my curve. My only true fundamentals where 1, and 2. The first curve took care of those and any remaining error was most likely seeing induced. Great results man!

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DeanS
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 07/12/05

Loc: Central Kentucky

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[Re: lineman_16735]
#2988497 - 03/17/09 09:21 AM

Hi Chris,

Yes I agree yours is so good I would not mess with it as I doubt you could improve it much anyways. And likewise with mine. I always guide so this just makes it easier on the guider. I'll try the Mach1 next month at the Texas Star Party as I am not going to unpack it before then.

I noticed your image scale was close to 2 arcsecs, mine was close to 1 arcsecs. I wonder how this affects the results? Maybe not since we average several runs?

Dean

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lineman_16735
Tak-o-holic

Reged: 12/04/04

Loc: Central PA

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[Re: DeanS]
#2988909 - 03/17/09 01:50 PM

Hi Dean,

My image scale is 1.87 arcseconds/pixel. According to Ray the data is most accurate at or below 2 arc seconds. I would guess that since we average all the runs and that the centroid position in modern software is so accurate then the image scale if reasonable the curve should be accurate. My factory installed PEC curve was 3.65 arcseconds peak to peak. My recent curve was slightly lower than that.

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