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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

My name came up :) But there is a problem :(
#3005307 - 03/26/09 07:35 AM

Well I got the Email yesterday from the fine people at AstroPhysics.......My Mach1 will be ready very soon. Now normally this would be cause fro celebration. Unfortunately I have waay too much on my plate right now and the mirror for my Astrograph is about to ship and.....Well you get the point.

If anybody would like to take my place on the list drop me a PM and let me know. I will gladly let you take my place in line. I truly wish I had the money but timing is everything they say. Let me know.

Thisn is ABSOLUTELY KILLING ME!

CS's

Let's see...I could sell the G-11, sell the ED80......Sell my wife....Oh wait, that last one might not work out that well

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tboss70
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 11/25/05

Loc: Missouri

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3005327 - 03/26/09 08:03 AM

I dont think anyone can take your place in line...unless you purchase the mount and then sell it to them.

If you dont accept it just goes to the next person on the list, doesn it?

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Al Canarelli
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Reged: 12/06/07

Loc: Central New Jersey

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3005330 - 03/26/09 08:06 AM

Thisn is ABSOLUTELY KILLING ME!
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I know the feeling very well...I've been there! Take my word for it, the best thing to do is simply tell AP that it's too difficult for you to raise the money at this time and let the next guy on the waiting list have a crack at your slot.

I did the same thing years ago that you are doing today. When I finally (after more than 3 years) got my turn to be on the production run, my money situation would not allow the purchase. I went on a popular news group which, at the time, I would go to frequently and offered my spot to anyone who wanted it. While I offered the slot for FREE, I was accused of profiteering and keeping the slot from the next person on the list who has been waiting there as long as I have. Take my advice and don't get involved!

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LLEEGE
True Blue

Reged: 03/03/05

Loc: Cloud-chester,NY

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[Re: Al Canarelli]
#3005346 - 03/26/09 08:22 AM

Just buy it. You won't regret it. If you do, you can easily sell it.

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EricCCD
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 04/14/04

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[Re: LLEEGE]
#3005422 - 03/26/09 09:34 AM

Bobby,

Sorry to hear about your situation, but we gotta work with what reality throws at us. At least the wait for AP mounts is not like it used to be, so you can just pass on this for now, wait until your plate clears up, put yourself back on the list afterwards, and know that you won't have to wait 5, 6, 8 years for that mount!

Good luck,
Eric

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Doug D.
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 08/23/05

Loc: Virginia

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[Re: EricCCD]
#3005466 - 03/26/09 10:07 AM

I went through a similar situation - my number came up early (2nd production run I think - back in 07??) and the timing wasn't right so I declined (and it killed me) and then asked to be put immediately at the back of the line. I got my 2nd invitation about 3 weeks ago and I wasn't going to pass it up this time! I should have my mount in April according to AP.

What can I say - I've been real active on Astromart for the past couple of weeks!!

Morale of the story for me is that I did the right thing by waiting. AP's ability to bang out mounts is much improved after the move to the new facility and the waits are likely to be much shorter. By AP standards, my wait after passing up the first was like a blink of an eye, LOL. Now if that 130 GT line would move this fast.....

BTW, I personally think the fairest thing to do here is just decline and let the next in line take your mount instead of letting someone cut in. Letting someone cut in, cuts some other guy (who has been waiting) out.

Doug

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Luigi
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Reged: 07/03/07

Loc: MA

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[Re: Doug D.]
#3005525 - 03/26/09 10:53 AM

Since your name is up, you could advertise to resell it at a premium to someone who'd rather pay more than wait. I've seen this done in other areas where there were long waiting lists for desirable items.

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Dr Benway
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Reged: 03/27/08

Loc: Abilene, TX

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[Re: Luigi]
#3005543 - 03/26/09 11:08 AM

Luigi, you really thought that one out well before you posted, didn't you? That's called PROFITEERING.

John

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Dr Morbius
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Loc: ManorvilleNY-but not for long

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[Re: Luigi]
#3005559 - 03/26/09 11:16 AM

Hey Doug, did anyone ever tell you your avatar looks like Orson Welles? He must have looked alot like Galileo!

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Doug D.
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 08/23/05

Loc: Virginia

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[Re: Dr Morbius]
#3005563 - 03/26/09 11:18 AM

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Hey Doug, did anyone ever tell you your avatar looks like Orson Welles? He must have looked alot like Galileo!

No, you're the first but come to think of it - you're right, LOL !!

"Rosebud"

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RAKing
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[Re: Doug D.]
#3005604 - 03/26/09 11:42 AM

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Now if that 130 GT line would move this fast.....

One can only hope.

Bobby,

I'm happy your name came up, but agree the timing doesn't always work out for us. I passed once and my name back back around again. Like Doug said, it didn't seem to take as long the second time.

I really think the right thing to do is to pass and ask them to put your name at the bottom. They are great people to work with and it's worth the wait.

Ron

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oldtimer
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Reged: 11/13/08

Loc: Lake County Illinois

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[Re: Luigi]
#3005616 - 03/26/09 11:47 AM

Yes indeed, its called 'Flipping'.

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

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[Re: oldtimer]
#3005656 - 03/26/09 12:06 PM

Well I sent an email back to Daleen telling them I wanted to be put back on the list. Yes I could have talked the wife into it if I showed her I could have made money but I have such an issue with flipping that I could not do that. I would have gladly purchased it for someone for the exact price it cost which to me is not flipping it. Hopefully the next guy in line is not having to make the same decision I have. And now the wait begins again....

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Luigi
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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3005755 - 03/26/09 01:03 PM

Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit. You want it now, you pay more. Wait and you pay less. Time is money. All dealers charge a markup, for which they supposedly provide some service, one of which is stocking items so that they are immediately available. Is Astronomics profiteering because they mark up everything the sell?

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NHRob
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Loc: New Hampshire

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3005758 - 03/26/09 01:05 PM

Bobby,

Don't sweat passing on it. It's just a piece of gear. Your name will come up again. The mounts are moving much more quickly than scopes. Although, it's a personal decision, I'm not into the "flipping" thing. In the past year and a half my name has come up twice for both the AP-900 mount and the Mach-1 mount. Each time I declined, due to personal finances. I haven't lost much sleep over it.

Rob

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

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[Re: Luigi]
#3005841 - 03/26/09 01:44 PM

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Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit. You want it now, you pay more. Wait and you pay less. Time is money. All dealers charge a markup, for which they supposedly provide some service, one of which is stocking items so that they are immediately available. Is Astronomics profiteering because they mark up everything the sell?

Although "Legit" as you put it I personally don't agree with it. It makes those individuals with either deeper pockets or less brains able to procure a piece of equipment faster than those who are waiting their turn so to speak. I don't agree with it and that's all that I'll say about it and hopefully all that anyone else will say about it

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mikey cee
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Reged: 01/18/07

Loc: bellevue ne.

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3006223 - 03/26/09 04:51 PM

The next guy in line isn't going to wait any longer. If I sell my rights to someone else or flip the mount when I get it so what.

Mike

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Dave LoPresti
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 12/25/03

Loc: Preston, Connecticut

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[Re: mikey cee]
#3006319 - 03/26/09 05:37 PM

Bobby, you're certainly not alone. About two weeks ago, I had gone through the same thing with the Mach1. I had money set aside for it but figured I can wait until next year to get one so I declined as well. My wife thanked me because she knew I had been waiting a while for my name to come up. Once she is working (she's an RN) and we're a bit more secure, I told her I will get back on the list.

Then I'll get me a nice CCD too.

Until then, I'll do fine with what I have and let someone else enjoy the Mach1.

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Bowmoreman
Clear enough skies

Reged: 09/11/06

Loc: Bolton, MA

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[Re: Dave LoPresti]
#3006398 - 03/26/09 06:16 PM

Oh no... that means that I'll likely get the "Daleen" email (again this year) right at a time when I can't act on it (why, oh WHY can't they do this in, say October, when I close my fiscal year and KNOW my situation???)

I came up on both the GTO and 900 last year in April, and had to "go back on the list" at that time, and, when it happens this year, same thing is gonna happen...

I feel for you, Bobby! And, I respect your "no flipping" stand as well...

(Now I'm off to scrounge finances to see if I might be able to say yes to Daleen if/when my email comes...)

Hmmm...

clear enough skies

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Rob_G
sage

Reged: 10/12/06

Loc: Syracuse, NY

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[Re: Luigi]
#3006575 - 03/26/09 07:38 PM

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Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit. You want it now, you pay more. Wait and you pay less. Time is money. All dealers charge a markup, for which they supposedly provide some service, one of which is stocking items so that they are immediately available. Is Astronomics profiteering because they mark up everything the sell?

When people do this with concert tickets it's called "scalping" and it's against the law.

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Rob_G
sage

Reged: 10/12/06

Loc: Syracuse, NY

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3006577 - 03/26/09 07:40 PM

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Well I sent an email back to Daleen telling them I wanted to be put back on the list. Yes I could have talked the wife into it if I showed her I could have made money but I have such an issue with flipping that I could not do that. I would have gladly purchased it for someone for the exact price it cost which to me is not flipping it. Hopefully the next guy in line is not having to make the same decision I have. And now the wait begins again....

You, sir, deserve a lot of credit for not "flipping" the mount to make a few bucks.

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Trebor777
Hazy

Reged: 01/04/08

Loc: Connecticut - U.S.

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[Re: Dr Benway]
#3006600 - 03/26/09 07:50 PM

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Luigi, you really thought that one out well before you posted, didn't you? That's called PROFITEERING.

John

It's also called Capitalism.

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Trebor777
Hazy

Reged: 01/04/08

Loc: Connecticut - U.S.

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[Re: Rob_G]
#3006607 - 03/26/09 07:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit. You want it now, you pay more. Wait and you pay less. Time is money. All dealers charge a markup, for which they supposedly provide some service, one of which is stocking items so that they are immediately available. Is Astronomics profiteering because they mark up everything the sell?

When people do this with concert tickets it's called "scalping" and it's against the law.

Scalping's only illegal if you're selling the tickets right outside of the venue, on the venue's property. (otherwise selling tickets sports, music, whatever, online would be illegal) I've gotten the best seats at Yankee Stadium from scalpers. I love 'em.

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Rob_G
sage

Reged: 10/12/06

Loc: Syracuse, NY

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[Re: Trebor777]
#3006682 - 03/26/09 08:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit. You want it now, you pay more. Wait and you pay less. Time is money. All dealers charge a markup, for which they supposedly provide some service, one of which is stocking items so that they are immediately available. Is Astronomics profiteering because they mark up everything the sell?

When people do this with concert tickets it's called "scalping" and it's against the law.

Scalping's only illegal if you're selling the tickets right outside of the venue, on the venue's property. (otherwise selling tickets sports, music, whatever, online would be illegal)

I'm not going to argue with you, but you're wrong. Obviously, the laws differ from state to state. But in many jurisdictions "scalping" tickets is illegal. Whether they prosecute it or not is another matter.

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Doug D.
Carpal Tunnel

Reged: 08/23/05

Loc: Virginia

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[Re: Trebor777]
#3006715 - 03/26/09 08:50 PM

Here we go again - yet another "is it ok to flip to make a buck because I can" threads. Can the "its AP's fault because of their flawed business model/notification list" discussion be far behind, LOL?

Sure, I guess it is "legit" as a lot of you say to buy and then turn around and sell. Something just doesn't seem fair about it but then again, I think you're either raised with that sense or you aren't. Last time I looked, AP had only 2 authorized dealers in the US and neither of them gouge. Maybe AP should get a little tougher with their warranty service (i.e., make it non-transferrable) to thwart all the other self appointed dealers (flippers) out there but I'm sure they don't want the hassle. To be honest, I think the buyers of a flipped scope/mount are just as "guilty" - if they could overcome their desire for instant gratification there wouldn't be much of a problem. I've "made do" with a Losmandy during my wait, just as I "made do" with a TOA130 while I waited for my 140 (question is - why does anyone "need" to have an AP "right now" at a crazy premium? ...I can only think a lot of posers out there with $'s want the bragging rights). The wait just makes me appreciate my AP gear that much more when the day finally arrives.

I think Bobby did the right thing and I applaud him. Some don't - to each his own.

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Trebor777
Hazy

Reged: 01/04/08

Loc: Connecticut - U.S.

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[Re: Rob_G]
#3006721 - 03/26/09 08:53 PM

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I'm not going to argue with you, but you're wrong.

You just did...lol. You're right. Selling for a "profit" is illegal. Scalping Laws

Anyhow, Bobby, sorry you had to pass. That sucks. Maybe the next go-round.

Edited by Trebor777 (03/26/09 08:56 PM)

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Charlie Hein
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[Re: Trebor777]
#3006850 - 03/26/09 10:10 PM

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

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[Re: Charlie Hein]
#3007074 - 03/27/09 12:52 AM

Thanks Charlie

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mikey cee
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Reged: 01/18/07

Loc: bellevue ne.

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3007136 - 03/27/09 01:58 AM

Scalping is only illegal because the powers that be don't want you on their turf. Nobody's putting a gun to anybody's head to buy scalped items.

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Jeff Young
Post Laureate

Reged: 08/04/05

Loc: Ireland

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[Re: mikey cee]
#3007228 - 03/27/09 05:40 AM

I buy a lot of used gear on AstroMart (and I really mean used, not flipped). But I'm not that active on AstroMart so I don't normally see ads in their infancy. That means that generally speaking, I end up buying items that are priced just a bit above market which therefore stayed for sale long enough for me to see them. (The fact that I'm overseas also means that exchanges involving slightly above-market prices are more likely to be well-received.)

In a way, those who place items on AstroMart just a bit above market price are doing me a service. Are they profiteering?

I don't presume to know the answer to that, but I do think it illustrates that there's a lot more gray here than black and white....

Cheers,
-- Jeff.

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Mike Clemens
Frozen to Eyepiece

Reged: 11/26/05

Loc: Alaska, USA

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[Re: Jeff Young]
#3007236 - 03/27/09 05:48 AM

> Flipping or proffiteering, it's still legit.

Thats true... just like the old legit business rule "We reserve the right to refuse to do business with you."

My bet is that Astro-Physics recognizes the obvious flippers/abusers the next time their name comes up.

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Luigi
Postmaster

Reged: 07/03/07

Loc: MA

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[Re: Mike Clemens]
#3007420 - 03/27/09 09:03 AM

At the risk of getting locked...

In the music business, I know of advanced instructors who have a standing order for one or two instruments a year and offer them to students as a markup of 10 to 15%. Years ago I was happy to take adavantge of that rather than wait 7 or more years on the regular waiting list, a long time for a young student muscian.

Getting back to astro equipment, getting the good stuff is all about having the money. The more money you have, the less dependent you are on waiting for a sale or for the item to come up on a used the used market. You might even be able to pay a premium to get something faster. We do it all the time in business, paying expediting fees for things we need faster than the standard price will get it. I don't see anything unfair or wrong about it.

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

Loc: StonyHill Observatory

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[Re: Luigi]
#3007455 - 03/27/09 09:32 AM

At this pojnt I'm asking that the topic get back on track. Part of me thought posting this was a bad idea and unfrotunately it seems to have gone the way I hoped it wouldn't.

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Ben Ritchie
Lost in Space

Reged: 01/31/05

Loc: Bosham, UK

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3007481 - 03/27/09 09:45 AM

I've also just turned down a Mach1GTO notification Bobby, seem to be a few of us - nice idea, wrong time, so i'm back on the list for the next time round too.

Wouldn't pass up a 160 notification though

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Bowmoreman
Clear enough skies

Reged: 09/11/06

Loc: Bolton, MA

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[Re: Ben Ritchie]
#3007618 - 03/27/09 10:51 AM

Now Ben has hit on it... if/when I come up for a 160, I'm ALL over that - heck, I'll raid the college fund if I hafta

But for a Mount? Not so much... they make those every year!

Bobby, I really feel for you... having gone through this last year, and likely again this year (presuming I'll shortly get that email), since my bonus for Q1/Q2 sales isn't enough (heck I need the bonus to pay all the tax increases they've dumped on small businesses here in Mass - and to save for those about to come from what it would appear)... Doesn't help that I just had to drop $2.2K on emergency repairs to my 11 year old car!

Maybe NEXT years production run will be that magic fit for you, me and others in similar places? when the availability, the price AND the funds all align...

In the meantime, I've certainly not gotten anywhere near reaching the limits of my CGE; so I'd only be buying in advance of my actual requirements anyways...

Yeah, that's the justification that makes me feel better!

"I'm not yet worthy!" :waynesworldgraemlin:

Maybe you should try that rationalization too?

BTW: I'm still REALLY digging that R200CF and FT/Digital Motor focuser - a LOT...

clear enough skies

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Trebor777
Hazy

Reged: 01/04/08

Loc: Connecticut - U.S.

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[Re: Bowmoreman]
#3007753 - 03/27/09 11:55 AM

Just wondering, but do you have to put a down payment to get on the list? And can you pay for the everything up front, therefor not having to worry about the funds being there or not when your name comes up because they already have your $$?

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Ben Ritchie
Lost in Space

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Loc: Bosham, UK

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[Re: Trebor777]
#3007807 - 03/27/09 12:21 PM

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Just wondering, but do you have to put a down payment to get on the list?

No, you just give AP your contact details. No obligation on either side - they don't have to ever offer me a Traveler, for example, but if they do I don't have to buy it.

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And can you pay for the everything up front, therefor not having to worry about the funds being there or not when your name comes up because they already have your $$?

Not really (although I guess you can put the money in savings/fine wine/rare stamps/Naglers until notification comes). As there's no guarantee that AP will ever supply you with whatever you're on 'the list' for there would be no sense in paying for it up front.

Once you're notified, you have a month or so to come up with a 50% downpayment, followed by the final 50% before delivery.

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mischief
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[Re: Rob_G]
#3008365 - 03/27/09 04:52 PM

Strgazr27, please do me a favor and don't all you guys get mad. This is a girl thing. Please do not refer to your significant other as "the wife". To a gal, this term is demeaning; at least to this gal. Thanks. You could say, "my wife, "name" or just my wife; "the wife" makes her sound like a "possession" sort of like "the dog" or "the cat" or "the phone", etc..

Thanks,
Dorothy, "the crabby old lady"

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Bowmoreman
Clear enough skies

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[Re: mischief]
#3008382 - 03/27/09 05:02 PM

So...

I suppose SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) is no good either?

Wive's are most definitely NOT possessions! More like Treasures!

clear enough skies

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bdjeep
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[Re: mischief]
#3008436 - 03/27/09 05:35 PM

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Please do not refer to your significant other as "the wife".

While we're on the subject, the words "hubby" and "wifey" should be stricken from the English language as well. I find them particularly annoying.

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Strgazr27

Reged: 10/04/04

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[Re: bdjeep]
#3008482 - 03/27/09 05:58 PM

Sorry to offend anyone but around MY house, we jokingly refer to each other as "The Wife" or "The Husband". She also would tell you it's a lot better than some of the things her friends husbands call them

. Trust me when I tell you it's said and meant with the utmost of love and affection. Personally I find the term "significant other" more offensive. Significant other what?

Edited by Strgazr27 (03/27/09 06:00 PM)

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Jaxdialation
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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3008841 - 03/27/09 09:33 PM

Works for me Bobby. And if you loan me your TMB you can call me "friend". Wouldn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

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ad701xx
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[Re: Bowmoreman]
#3009013 - 03/27/09 11:13 PM

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Wive's are most definitely NOT possessions! More like Treasures!

You haven't met my ex-wife.

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Jeff Young
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Loc: Ireland

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[Re: ad701xx]
#3009309 - 03/28/09 06:37 AM

I think some of us use The Wife as a term of preeminence, rather than ownership (or even endearment). Sort of like New Yorkers calling New York "the city". Sure, there may be a lot of other cities out there, but The Big Apple is "The" city. Similarly, there may be a lot of other married women out there, but my wife is "The" wife.

On the other hand, I agree that anything that doesn't include her name is somewhat objectifying, whether in a role of preeminence (the wife) or empowerment (SWMBO, CFO, etc.) or not....

Running for cover,
-- Jeff.

So where does this fit in: some of our older friends address cards to my wife Jean as "Mrs. Jeff Young"?

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GShaffer
Carpal Tunnel

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[Re: Jeff Young]
#3009493 - 03/28/09 09:56 AM

Not sure I catch the logic....re: the "my wife" vs "the wife" thing..... "MY wife" certainly implies possession. Is not MY a derivative/form of MINE?

Yet this is ok while saying "the wife" which when you take each word separately I see no implication of possesion is not? I suppose using "the wife" could be defined as a form of objectivication since "the" implies an object. But then I am not sure anyone should be policing what I call my better half other than my better half and believe me when I tell you I spend a lot more time worrying about offending her that I do ANYONE else lol.

Sorry but I had to duck when I read this one....heard a big WHOOSH as it went right over my head lol.

I find that using the term "my better half" keeps her happy......

IMO there are far too many folks in the world who have forgotten the old adage "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" particularly when those words are not directed at them.....

Ohhh and I got so absorbed into the facinating world of semantics what the thread was about

Re: the gentleman facing the AP mount dilema....While I agree that you have would have every right to buy it and resell it whether for profit or not I applaud your decision not to do so..... I would however consider anyone who attempted to offer the SPOT in line for a price without making the purchase lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut.....Wow I am just chock full of opinions today

Greg

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boydd
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[Re: GShaffer]
#3009562 - 03/28/09 10:33 AM

Interesting to find someone who is interested in semantics, spelling, punctuation, and definitions.

Dave Boyd

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Doug D.
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[Re: GShaffer]
#3009608 - 03/28/09 10:59 AM

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lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut.....

Greg

Now THAT is one I haven't heard before, LOL.

BTW, I thought discussions of politics were against the TOS !!

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boydd
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[Re: Doug D.]
#3009663 - 03/28/09 11:31 AM

Help me understand the politics?

Dave Boyd

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LLEEGE
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[Re: boydd]
#3009678 - 03/28/09 11:40 AM

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Help me understand the politics?

Dave Boyd

I think it was a joke playing on the snake analogy.

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boydd
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[Re: mikey cee]
#3009693 - 03/28/09 11:45 AM

Unfortunately just about anything flies to anywhere in this day and age. An individual can only control getting on the plane or not. Also known as "Buyer Beware"

Dave Boyd

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GShaffer
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[Re: boydd]
#3009726 - 03/28/09 11:57 AM

Well if I was all that intrested I probably would have proofread my post a bit lol

And just to stay on topic......I will re-iterate my thumbs up to the the fellow that started the thread

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Interesting to find someone who is interested in semantics, spelling, punctuation, and definitions.

Dave Boyd

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GShaffer
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[Re: boydd]
#3009777 - 03/28/09 12:21 PM

True.....sad but true. I do agree that women deserve our utmost respect as a gender, after all they do many things that most of us wont, and a few things we cant. Perhaps with the exception of writing our names in the snow and even that isnt a given

Nother thumbs up to the guy with principals!!

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Unfortunately just about anything flies to anywhere in this day and age. An individual can only control getting on the plane or not. Also known as "Buyer Beware"

Dave Boyd

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dpastern
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[Re: mischief]
#3010475 - 03/28/09 07:02 PM

Strictly speaking, in most cultures, the wife *is* a possession. Even a Christian based marriage implies the same thing - the vows traditionally charge the woman to love, honour and obey the groom, yet no such expectations are made on the groom.

Ultra feminism has caused so many problems in society over the past 40 years, including, imho, the breakdown of relationships (much higher divorce rates), decline in children's manners (highly evident). It's not healthy.

This is predominantly a male forum I suspect, as is the hobby, why should the majority have to conform to make the minority happy?

Anyways, enough said on this subject.

Dave

PS it's just a word (or string of words) - it *only* has power if you give it power.

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Strgazr27, please do me a favor and don't all you guys get mad. This is a girl thing. Please do not refer to your significant other as "the wife". To a gal, this term is demeaning; at least to this gal. Thanks. You could say, "my wife, "name" or just my wife; "the wife" makes her sound like a "possession" sort of like "the dog" or "the cat" or "the phone", etc..

Thanks,
Dorothy, "the crabby old lady"

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[Re: Ben Ritchie]
#3010479 - 03/28/09 07:04 PM

I had the same questions as well. I mean, I could put my name on the list now, with the Aussie dollar @ US 68c, but in 2 years it could be US 40c...that'd make a huge difference in Aussie pricing, especially considering the price gouging that the local government does on imported goods...

Anyways, a bit of bad luck Bobby, maybe next time on the list, things will work out better for you.

Dave

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Just wondering, but do you have to put a down payment to get on the list?

No, you just give AP your contact details. No obligation on either side - they don't have to ever offer me a Traveler, for example, but if they do I don't have to buy it.

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And can you pay for the everything up front, therefor not having to worry about the funds being there or not when your name comes up because they already have your $$?

Not really (although I guess you can put the money in savings/fine wine/rare stamps/Naglers until notification comes). As there's no guarantee that AP will ever supply you with whatever you're on 'the list' for there would be no sense in paying for it up front.

Once you're notified, you have a month or so to come up with a 50% downpayment, followed by the final 50% before delivery.

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[Re: dpastern]
#3010526 - 03/28/09 07:29 PM

Oh yeah, how long is the wait? I don't have the $ now, but maybe in 2 years...lol. Or I can sell my car and put wheels on the mount and drive around on it.

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[Re: Trebor777]
#3011174 - 03/29/09 06:38 AM

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Oh yeah, how long is the wait? I don't have the $ now, but maybe in 2 years...

My guess is "not long" these days - took me 2-3 years to get notified, I forget exactly, but I suspect that the wait list is much shorter now. The wait lists for the bigger AP mounts seem to be pretty much a wait until the next production run if they don't have any on the shelf, and i'd expect the Mach1 to head that way too.

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[Re: Trebor777]
#3011178 - 03/29/09 06:43 AM

The mount lists are fairly short these days (on the order of a year or less).

The scope lists are antoher story (on the order of 5 to 10 years).

-- Jeff.

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[Re: Jeff Young]
#3011220 - 03/29/09 07:44 AM

>>>Nother thumbs up to the guy with principals!!<<<

Being principled doesn't say anything about what those principles are. We like when somebody evinces the same principles we do, and hate when they evince principles we don't agree with, especially when the guy we dissagree with is more highly principled than we are.

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[Re: Luigi]
#3011277 - 03/29/09 08:33 AM

Hehehehe....you make a valid point

Greg

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>>>Nother thumbs up to the guy with principals!!<<<

Being principled doesn't say anything about what those principles are. We like when somebody evinces the same principles we do, and hate when they evince principles we don't agree with, especially when the guy we dissagree with is more highly principled than we are.

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[Re: Luigi]
#3011296 - 03/29/09 08:44 AM

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>>>Nother thumbs up to the guy with principals!!<<<

Being principled doesn't say anything about what those principles are. We like when somebody evinces the same principles we do, and hate when they evince principles we don't agree with, especially when the guy we dissagree with is more highly principled than we are.

I'm asking again that we keep the discussion to the subject of having to say no to "The call" from AP. Not what I call my wife, what my morals are or anything else.....Thanks

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[Re: Strgazr27]
#3011319 - 03/29/09 09:03 AM

I totally agree Bobby - let's stick to the subject at hand, okay?

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btb
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[Re: Charlie Hein]
#3011362 - 03/29/09 09:28 AM

So I am on the list my name comes up, I buy and take delivery on the mount. I work with it for maybe a month and decide it is not really what I wanted. How much money do I have to lose at resale to make people happy?

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[Re: btb]
#3011388 - 03/29/09 09:48 AM

Les,

I don't think that is at all the same thing as having no intention of using but having every intention of flipping. I don't disagree that upon resale, the best asking price is what the market will bear. I don't think Mach 1 mounts are going to demand the kinds of premiums we've seen in past and nothing like what we see for AP scopes. The mounts are much more widely available and the waits are much shorter than in past.

I could easily fall into the category you just described (although I REALLY doubt it). I'm pretty sure the Mach 1 is what I'm looking for... But if I were to decide to sell it after a month I'd probably put it up for auction on Amart with a reserve at or slightly under what I paid for it (and I would not be surprised if the reserve wasn't reached based on what I've seen lately).

Anyone who wants to sell their place in line for a profit or flip for profit - so be it. They can be happy with their cleverness and laugh all the way to the bank for having added nothing to the process, including value. I don't have to admire or emulate their practice. Nor do I have to apologize for thinking there is something wrong with it. Nor does it make me anti-capitalist and un-American to not put $s first and a fellow amateur on the AP notification list second.

Doug

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NHRob
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Loc: New Hampshire

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[Re: btb]
#3011390 - 03/29/09 09:49 AM

Les,
Nothing. You may even make money on it.

Rob

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DeanS
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Loc: Central Kentucky

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[Re: btb]
#3011410 - 03/29/09 09:58 AM

I'd say it is more of your intent when you buy it from the beginning.

If you want to try it and see, then sell it for what you have in it. If you know you don't want it, why not let the other guy on the list have a shot at it.

That is how I got mine, a friend had taken delivery of a 900 several months before his name came up for the MAch1.

His plan was to use the 900 at home and get a Mach1 for field use. Well after using the 900 and seeing how it was not a big deal moving he was not sure the Mach1 was going to be a big difference.

He asked me, and several other friends, if he got it and it was not worth keeping both, if any of us would take it from him at cost. At the time he could have sold if for a premium on AM.

Long story is he tried it and then I ended up with it, and my name was called soon after I got it from him anyways, so I declined.

Maybe I was in the wrong? Don't know but I was on several AP mount lists for about 3-4 years before I finally ended up with one. Now if someone just took delivery on a 140 or 130 and wanted to sell it for what they paid, please contact me

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