ProfMMC
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I have a GPUSB for guding.
I have now suceeded in connecting the PC to the mount via my serial port and the lead that connects to the handcontroller (selected as per instruction in EQASCOM a celeston mount - which is wierd!)
MaxIm DL hooked up fine I could slew to a target get the mount position etc. I was using the mini-plantariam program built into MaxImDL. All in I was very happy.
I see that for another £50 I can ditch the handcontroller and buy EQDIR. I would like to know what I could do with that - that I can't do with my current configuration.
Anyone got some examples?
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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rmollise
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I have a GPUSB for guding.
I have now suceeded in connecting the PC to the mount via my serial port and the lead that connects to the handcontroller (selected as per instruction in EQASCOM a celeston mount - which is wierd!)
MaxIm DL hooked up fine I could slew to a target get the mount position etc. I was using the mini-plantariam program built into MaxImDL. All in I was very happy.
I see that for another £50 I can ditch the handcontroller and buy EQDIR. I would like to know what I could do with that - that I can't do with my current configuration.
Anyone got some examples?
Best bet? Have a look through the EQMOD Wiki.
You do know that if you have an upgradeable SynScan HC and a recent firmware build, you don't need the EQDIR module, don't you? You can use PC Direct mode to run EQMOD through the HC via the normal serial cable you attach to its base.
As for the Wiki... http://www.welshdragoncomputing.ca/eqmod/doku.php
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There are $$ commercial modules (e.g., EQDIR and friends) or cheaper DIY modules. It's just a PC serial port (or USB-serial port) to TTL level RS232 cable.
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ProfMMC
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I will look at the Wiki.
I have the upgradeable SynScan Hand Controller - I know I managed to upgrade the firmware yesterday.
So yes I should be able to use PC direct mode - I will try.
One reason I like mixing computers and telescopes is that you can fiddle during the day, and when it is cloudy.
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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The thing I like about EQDIR is that I don't have to fetch my hand controller and it cuts down on the wire clutter.
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neptun2
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I confirm that with latest firmware synscan works very good with eqmod using pc direct mode. Eqmod itself has many useful functions including good autoguide support if you don't have gpusb or other st4 compatible guider.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
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If I were to use it for most purposes, I'd rather do the PC Direct Mode since the Rumblepad2 I'm using is too clumsy at the eyepiece. However, when I do the satellite tracking, the EQDir/Rumblepad is the only configuration that works. Different guns for different game.
-------------------- Jim
A Bad Night With A Telescope
Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else
Tectron 18" Truss Dob/Sky Commander DSCs, "Derrick"
Meade 10" LX-5 SCT/Atlas-G "Ol' Blue Eye"
Orion 90mm refractor,
Meade 10" Starfinder Newt/JMI NGCMax DSCs,
Celestron 10x50 Ultima Pro
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ProfMMC
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Ok managed to get PC Direct Mode to work with Stellarium. Only problem is my only PC with a serial port is a bit old and a tad too slow. So I am going to have to get a USB to serial lead and use a newer PC.
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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SKYGZR
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How does one connect the SynScan to do this PC Direct mode exactly? Are there instructions somewhere? What type of cable/hook ups are needed?
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ProfMMC
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You should have got a cable with the mount that has a serial connector on one end and a phone type connector on the other. My older PC has a serial port my new one does not so I am going to buy a convertor today.
There is section in the manual that describes how to update the the software - connect up as per those instructions - but just igore the rest of the instructions (unless you want to update).
Switch the mount on. Keep hitting enter until you get to align yes or no. Hit no. Then go to Utilities -> PC Direct Mode. If PC Direct Mode is not there you do need to update the software - I just googled SynScan update and found the untility and the update file - it was really easy.
You are then connected. I the started Stellarium Scope, connceted to the scope EQMOD ASCOM EQ5/6 then Stellarium was launced automatically.
I was able to select a target in Stellarium, and slew to it hit ctrl 1 (it took a couple of seconds for the scope to start moving - which at first made me think it was not working as I kept hitting the slew command resulting in Stellarium getting confused).
It was cloudy not I have not tried an alignment yet - but I did try a dummy alignment. I cound not find a sync command in Stellarium so you have to use the 2nd alignement method described in the manual.
EQMOD is arwsome!
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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cdndob
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What's the benefit of using PC Direct Mode? Does it disable the hand controller?
I just hook up to the hand controller and use the ascom drivers without ever using the PC Direct Mode.
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ProfMMC
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Indeed that was pretty much my original question.
I think the answer is that:
1) Without PC Direct mode you can only talk to the mount using a set of highlevel functions implemented by SynScan.
2) With PC direct mode you have access to lower level functions and so can in theory do more.
I would still like a good actual example of something you can do with 2) but not 1).
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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cdndob
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I'll check into this next time I'm out but its been working fine without PC direct mode so far.
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ProfMMC
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Yes, my understanding is that it is not a question of problem with working but what power you have over the mount.
PC direct give you the capability to control the mount at a much lower level - send commands direct to the motors, read the senors etc.
Non PC direct will enable to control the mount using already defined high level commands that the controls turns into lower level actions on the motors etc.
My guess is that PC direct can allow EQMOD to do more amazing things with your mount - but what?
more accurate alignment - better guiding better PEC etc but that is just me guessing.
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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neptun2
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First about stellarium - when you use stellarium scope ctrl+1 is slew and ctrl+2 is sync so it is not true that stellarium and stellarium scope do not support sync. Eqmod is also ascom driver but it is low level driver.This allow direct control over motors of the mount. In turn this allow variable speed PEC, precise autoguiding, better (more accurate) alignment with more then 3 stars, polar alignment help procedure (requires polar scope). Maybe i am missing something but these are the most important functions. Practically you replace your hand controller with pc and the eqmod driver. This gives you much more resources and allows your mount to do things that skywatcher did not implement in their hand controller and firmware. One example is the autoguiding. If you do not use eqmod and pc direct mode but use the celestron ascom driver for example you tell to the hand controller how much to move the mount and it tells it to the motors which is slower and not so effective method. Using eqmod and pc direct mode you can directly command the motors which is more effective.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
Nagler type 6 11mm , Pentax XW 7mm , Televue 2x barlow 1.25"
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ProfMMC
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Thanks for the Stellarium tip - I could not see that in the help pages!
And your detailed explanation - as I suspected. I shall be switching to PC direct mode - one step at a time. Alignment next. I guess before long I will can sell the GPUSB!
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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neptun2
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Also about the usb to serial adapters - it is sometimes hit and miss with them. Some work fine with eqmod and some not. In their yahoo group there is database with working and not working adapters. If you have laptop it is better idea to get pcmcia or express card (depends on your laptop) with rs232. The price is similar and compatibility - much better.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
Nagler type 6 11mm , Pentax XW 7mm , Televue 2x barlow 1.25"
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Ok managed to get PC Direct Mode to work with Stellarium. Only problem is my only PC with a serial port is a bit old and a tad too slow. So I am going to have to get a USB to serial lead and use a newer PC.
Here are some, but, again, go read the Wiki.
Much improved go-to alignment system. Polar alignment utility. Use of wireless gamepad. Superior PEC recording/analysis system. Genuine sync function. Pulse guide interface.
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cdndob
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Using eqmod and pc direct mode you can directly command the motors which is more effective.
My understanding is (reading from the EQMOD pages) that the EQDIR interface is required for direct motor control. They claim the hand controller interface still introduces undetermined delays in the control of the mounts motors. Is this not still correct?
Steve
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neptun2
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I suppose that using pc direct mode the hand controller is just simple level converter just like eqdir but in fact this can not be confirmed because pc direct mode is skywatcher's firmware feature so only they know what exactly is doing the hand controller in this mode. Maybe there is some latencies compared with eqdir but comparing pc direct mode with celestron's ascom driver for example latencies are reduced using pc direct mode. As far as i know users are successfully using pc direct mode + eqmod for pulse guiding with good success so i think that it is good at least to try it. Here is the official info from eqmod site about pc direct mode:
The initial releases of PC-Direct mode had problems, particuarly with regard to loss of tracking, however these appear to have been addressed with the release of SynScan Version 3.24. This said PC-Direct mode is an undocumented feature of the Synscan handcontroller and the EQMOD developers have no knowledge of how it works or of its limitations. We cannot therefore make any guarentees as to its operation with EQMOD which was designed only for direct connection to the mount. Whilst PC-Direct mode offers a means for users to try out the EQMOD applications we would advise that for extened use one of the options below is adopted, particularly if the mount is to be left unattended.
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And here is part of the changelog of synscan 3.21 describing eqmod:
"PC Direct Mode" added. It allolws the PC to communicate directly with the motor controller via RS-232C connection. The RS-232C port of the PC should be configed as 9600bps, 1 start bit, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity check and no flow control. Activate "PC Direct Mode" under "Utility\PC Direct Mode>". Press the "ESC" key to exit.
So the idea of skywatcher is pc direct mode to allow eqmod to directly control motors. Of course we can't be sure how well they did it but after 3.21 there is 4 versions of firmware and at least 3 of them include fixes for pc direct mode as far as i remember. Version 3.25 does not include fixes for pc direct mode so at least for me this means that pc direct mode is working fine now and gives good results in combination with eqmod.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
Nagler type 6 11mm , Pentax XW 7mm , Televue 2x barlow 1.25"
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cdndob
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I just read through the EQASCOM guiding document and they state in the "ST-4 v. ASCOM Pulse Guiding" section that there should be no performance difference between pulse guiding (Hand controller communications) and the EQDIR (ST-4) port interface.
On a side note, that EQMOSAIC looks cool, I'll have to try that out.
Steve
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neptun2
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ST4 and eqdir are different things.Eqdir is interface between pc and mount eliminating the need of hand controller. ST4 is separate port on the mount (if supported) and can be used without eqmod. As far as i understand the document they say that there is no difference between st4 and pulse guide through eqmod and eqdir.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
Nagler type 6 11mm , Pentax XW 7mm , Televue 2x barlow 1.25"
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cdndob
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Oops, my bad, looked like the eqdir the plugged into the ST4 guide port but it actually goes into the hand controller port.
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Skylook123
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A little history is in order here. The EQMOD project started back close to four years ago, when the SynScan firmware was V2.05, and had many opportunities for improvement/upgraded capabilities and features. At that time, one could use the hand controller in conjunction with a planetarium program if one identified the unit as Celestron 5/8 and used the serial to RJ11 cable. No firmward upgrade was available, and there were many issues with in onboard databases plus twitchy alignment behavior. The mount had, and has, such awesome capabilities for the price that EQMOD came along, bypassing the hand controller and using a straight serial cable but needing the RS-232 to TTL voltage reduction as provided by EQDIR, or one of the other commercial applications, or modifying the hand controller.
After EQMOD was in full swing of development and advances, the V3.01 upgradable hand controller came along. In the V3.21 upgrade, PC Direct Mode was added; the capability of passing through the EQMOD/EQASCOM commands was added to the hand controller with the ability to use the hand controller's directional arrows. If it worked, this meant no pointing device was needed with the computer running EQMOD. This, however, was not very reliable until V3.24 firmware.
So, you can use the hand controller with a planetarium program and the serial cable that came with the SynScan, any version (V2.05 as Celestron 5/8, V3.xx as Celestron 5i/8i), but limited to simple GOTOs and position display, using the alignment as performed in the hand controller.
Or, you can use EQMOD/EQASCOM with EQDIR or some other tool to drop the voltages and drive the mount through a computer, no hand controller, and use some sort of gamepad or pointing device to steer the mount.
Or, you can use EQMOD/EQASCOM hooked to V3.24/3.25 version SynScan hand controller running in PC Direct Mode, and use the hand controller as the steering device. No EQDIR is necessary, no gamepad, just use the serial cable that comes with the mount that is used to update the firmware. The downside is that some applications using EQMODLX, like satellite tracking or Meade DSI, do not see th hand controller and need the pointing adjustments fed into EQMOD to tweak the posititioning/timing in real time.
What does EQMOD do that makes it worth the effort?
1. The alignment model is fanatastic and can use up to 100 points rather than the 1-,2-, or 3-star alignments. Even with 1 or two points, if you setup is orthogonal the pointing accuracy on GOTOs well exceeds the behavior of the SynScan HC; 2. Satellite tracking (with some additional freeware); 3. Automated Mosaic imaging; 4. Spiral search scans at the touch of a button; 5. Use of programmable buttons on wireless game pads to drive the system; 6. Direct NMEA GPS input for setup location and time; 7. A variety of park/unpark options; 8. User setable, variable track rates; 9. Setable and ignorable safety and meridian crossing limits; 10. Too many more to list; as Uncle Rod advises, get thee to the wiki.
-------------------- Jim
A Bad Night With A Telescope
Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else
Tectron 18" Truss Dob/Sky Commander DSCs, "Derrick"
Meade 10" LX-5 SCT/Atlas-G "Ol' Blue Eye"
Orion 90mm refractor,
Meade 10" Starfinder Newt/JMI NGCMax DSCs,
Celestron 10x50 Ultima Pro
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ProfMMC
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OK it is all starting to make sense now - and boy is there a lot to take in in one go. So I am going to take it a step at a time. My USB to serial cable works fine, PC direct will keep me busy for a while. I can now slew and sync with Stellarium. Next I will try and do alignment with EQMOD.
Thanks for helping out.
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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LOL. Yeah, I bought the mount close to four years ago, so all I started with was V2.05; not much to learn there. Then the EQMOD project started, and I began on the ground floor. A WHOLE lot easier to digest in baby steps! A few months after the project started, we finally had EQMODLX to start emulating Meade functionality. Why? Because the main commercial satellite tracking program, Satellite Tracker (duh), was written primarily for LX-200 mounts. At the same time, some folks were exploring, and loving, the initial EQMOD capabilities that blew away the HC. Some of these folks were trying to adapt Meade DSI equipment to the mount. So, with Satellite Tracker and DSI as motivators, Mon developed EQMODLX to translate Meade non-ASCOM commands into the ASCOM standard format acceptible by the Synta motor controller card. I was pretty much the initial beta tester for the satellite tracking, and Mon did awesome heavy lifting to make it all come together. But, truthfully, it was growing more capable in baby steps.
I can only imagine what a complicated, intricate package and capability EQMOD now appears to be. And in my case, all I've paid to use it is around $60 to Shoestring Astronomy for the EQDIR adapter and a couple of serial cables. I don't do astrophotography or imaging with the mount; mostly visual public outreach at schools and parks and such, so I don't generally use EQMOD; easier to use the plain vanilla hand controller. BUT, I occasionally devote a week or two to satellite tracking, and then EQMOD really shines. Superb alignments, awesome performance with the other freeware to pull it all together. In a dozen or more tries to track the ISS and shuttle, sometimes as separate objects, most times joined, it's never failed to fast slew over and get the target in the eyepiece right from the start. That is MIND BOGGLING, when you think about how fast the object moves, and how small the FOV is (10" f/10 OTA). If I had a pier, I'd live with EQMOD. As it is, every setup I do is in a different location, so I don't drag out the Rumblepad gamepad and the other setup pieces but, if you do take images or pictures, this sucker is gold. And FREE.
Holy cow, it scares ME now, and I grew up with it! I feel your pain...
-------------------- Jim
A Bad Night With A Telescope
Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else
Tectron 18" Truss Dob/Sky Commander DSCs, "Derrick"
Meade 10" LX-5 SCT/Atlas-G "Ol' Blue Eye"
Orion 90mm refractor,
Meade 10" Starfinder Newt/JMI NGCMax DSCs,
Celestron 10x50 Ultima Pro
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ProfMMC
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Yes I have permanent set up (the best investment I have ever made) so I very keen to get all this working.
I also got my gamepad working as well. It is a wired one - I no longer play games on the PC since I migrated to XBox 360 - I might invest in a wireless one I am not sure. Using a joystick at the eyepiece was much easier.
-------------------- Orion Optics UK 350mm F4.7 Dob (dismantled)
Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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Using eqmod and pc direct mode you can directly command the motors which is more effective.
My understanding is (reading from the EQMOD pages) that the EQDIR interface is required for direct motor control. They claim the hand controller interface still introduces undetermined delays in the control of the mounts motors. Is this not still correct?
Steve
EQMOD works just fine in PC Direct mode.
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Oops, my bad, looked like the eqdir the plugged into the ST4 guide port but it actually goes into the hand controller port.
Steve
Nope. The ST4 cable plugs into the autoguide port on the mount, the RJ port. EQMOD doesn't know much about the ST4 side of the house. All you do in that regard is setup guide rate (.5x sidereal, etc.).
If you do not want to use PC direct mode, the serial cable/EQDIR module combination plugs into the DB9 connector on the mount normally used by the hand control.
"EQDIR" refers just to the level-converter module that goes on the serial cable. The actual program/ASCOM driver is "EQMOD."
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Nice history Jim, that clears some things up for me.
So far I've only been using the ascom driver but I'm definitely going to start using eqmod now. The mosaic, spiral search scan and GPS input will come in very handy.
Steve
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Thanks for the information Jim. So now with firmware 3.25 i can use the hand controller slew rate adjustment and directional keys without breaking eqmod? That's great. Last time i used the onscreen directional keys using the mouse which is not easy. Great that i can now use the hand controller.
-------------------- Skywatcher Explorer 200P 8" f5 newtonian reflector
HEQ5 Pro Synscan Equatorial mount
Nikon Action 12x50 , Nikon D5000
Nagler type 6 11mm , Pentax XW 7mm , Televue 2x barlow 1.25"
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Yep, it seems to have been cured of the random lockup and wild excursion features. I find it easier with the hand controller than the Rumblepad at the eyepiece.
-------------------- Jim
A Bad Night With A Telescope
Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else
Tectron 18" Truss Dob/Sky Commander DSCs, "Derrick"
Meade 10" LX-5 SCT/Atlas-G "Ol' Blue Eye"
Orion 90mm refractor,
Meade 10" Starfinder Newt/JMI NGCMax DSCs,
Celestron 10x50 Ultima Pro
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Thanks for the information Jim. So now with firmware 3.25 i can use the hand controller slew rate adjustment and directional keys without breaking eqmod? That's great. Last time i used the onscreen directional keys using the mouse which is not easy. Great that i can now use the hand controller.
We know that the basic protocol to the mount makes no provision for two "Masters" commanding the mount simultaneously. How PC-Direct resolves this situation we don't know. Until SYNTA provide detailed instructions on how PC-Direct mode should be used and what its limitations are I'm afraid the EQMOD team can not provide any guarantees for its use with EQASCOM.
That said, Jim has more experience than most in this area and if in his opinion V3.25 has finally cracked the earlier PC-Direct mode issues then that should be good enough to convince anyone to at least give it a go and see.
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Chris, I share your skepticism. I kept beating up my system trying PC Direct Mode with SCARY unstable results until V3.25. All I can say is that it "seems" to be better now.
The scary feature for me was that there seemed to be an inconsistency in how the HC put up a firewall for its own commanding capability, and how it allowed the external source command capability. I finally stopped trying when several times in a row it went nuts during a GOTO and during a satellite slew to track. Both times high rate from EQMOD was implemented, but then all comms to and from the mount controller card stopped; no indication of motion on the planetarium screen, mount flying across the sky, in one case running into a tripod leg and chattering away. Had to do an emergency power down to recover, and re-establish home. Another time, after I centered an object using the HC, it began to selectively disregard commands through EQMOD, including Park. So I exited PC Direct Mode and told the mount to Park with the HC, and it slewed to a random part of the sky and then froze to any commands through the HC.
I didn't try with V3.24, so it might have been OK. On V3.25 I did a half dozen satellite acquisitions and tracks in PC Direct, and quite a few alignments shifting into PC Direct for centering then back out to sync, with no troubles. That's when I found the feature you worked on regarding EQTOUR, where it was driving to the J2000 coordinate value rather than JNOW. I used a work around of applying the EQTOUR list, then centered and synched using the planetarium program. Got great alignments, HC in PC Direct worked fine cycling in and out.
I have a physical difficulty with the Rumblepad due to small motor coordination that I don't have with the HC, but I need the Rumblepad for satellite tracking since the corrections need to come through the laptop to avoid a massive collision between dueling software.
The HC now seems to be returning the position information acceptably also, which it was sputtering on in earlier versions. But, as you say, we have no visibility in what's going on.
-------------------- Jim
A Bad Night With A Telescope
Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else
Tectron 18" Truss Dob/Sky Commander DSCs, "Derrick"
Meade 10" LX-5 SCT/Atlas-G "Ol' Blue Eye"
Orion 90mm refractor,
Meade 10" Starfinder Newt/JMI NGCMax DSCs,
Celestron 10x50 Ultima Pro
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Chris Shillito
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Reged: 07/03/08
Posts: 19
Loc: UK
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All I would say is that anyone considering leaving their mount unattended whilst under EQASCOM control might consider an EQDIRECT a worthwhile investment, if only for peace of mind of removing one "unknown" from the system.
Chris.
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KevinUK
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Reged: 08/22/07
Posts: 720
Loc: N 51'53 W 00'25
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Honestly I've never looked back since using EQMOD!
Synscans 3 point star align pointing model was pretty useless IMO for narrow field imaging with my SCT, I could never get an accurate enough sky map to place an object squarely in centre of my fov of camera.
EQMOD now allows me to do this in minutes as opposed to hourse of endless frustration previously with the HC
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ProfMMC
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Reged: 09/13/07
Posts: 289
Loc: London UK
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Bad weather is holding up further experiments. I have got the work flow for alignment by syncing with Stellarium sorted out, and I do prefer it.
I have a restricted view of the horizon and find it much easier to point at star of choice and sync.
Onwards and upwards.
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Celestron 8SE f10 Meade 5000ED 127mm ETX125 OTA f15
Revelation ED 80mm f6.8 Meade 5000ED 80mm f6
WO ZS66mm f5.9 WO ZS70mm f6
EQ6 Pro CG5
DSI I + II Shoestring GPUSB EQMOD
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