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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Kenny2004]
      #3563799 - 01/16/10 02:40 AM

Thanks Kenny & Skylook,
I hope you guys are wrong but I have an awful feeling you're not.
Thankfully - adding a resistor is a 10 minute job.
I'll give the Skywatcher website a week first to reply to me.
It doesn't say much about the quality assurance!


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SKYGZR
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Reged: 08/14/09

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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Kenny2004]
      #3563828 - 01/16/10 03:51 AM

I took a Black "Magic Marker" and rubbed a bit over the led in the PI. Haven't actually tested it yet, but this should have dimmed the LED's "brightness". The nail polish idea seems a viable option..yet it'll look strange buying a bottle.. ..perhaps some model paint would be better

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Kenny2004
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Reged: 08/17/04

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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3564381 - 01/16/10 12:56 PM

alpal: hmm, maybe you can take it back to the place you got it from and ask for an exchange? It is frustrating indeed trying to find out what's what and the fact that Skywatcher is yielding out 2 potential different models doesn't do us consumers any good. Let me know what they say.

I took a quick look and popped the side panel out. I can't even access the LED on mine I don't think. I can only access it through the polar scope hole and it's too deep inside for me to even put any form of black marker / polish on it.



Quote:

Thanks Kenny & Skylook,
I hope you guys are wrong but I have an awful feeling you're not.
Thankfully - adding a resistor is a 10 minute job.
I'll give the Skywatcher website a week first to reply to me.
It doesn't say much about the quality assurance!




Edited by Charlie Hein (01/16/10 01:35 PM)


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Skylook123
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Kenny2004]
      #3564414 - 01/16/10 01:13 PM

Would you believe THREE different setups? Mine is four years old, and has the "bright" polar scope LED. About 18 months or so ago, as the number of mount deliveries was increasing along with a parallel increase in "too bright" complaints, a new version of the card came out with an extremely low brightness built in. Then, within the last couple of months, the third version with the settable brightness level.

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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Kenny2004]
      #3564786 - 01/16/10 05:05 PM

Kenny2004
Quote:

I can't even access the LED on mine I don't think.




True but you can easily access the 2 wires which go into the LED
& plug into the PCB.(Printed circuit Board)
In fact those 2 wires go into a standard 2 pin connector to plug
into the edge of the PCB.
That means the LED can even be unplugged!
( In mine anyway )


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Skylook123
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3564790 - 01/16/10 05:08 PM

Some folks do that (unplug) and use a red flashlight down the front when polar aligning.

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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Skylook123]
      #3564809 - 01/16/10 05:28 PM

Quote:

Some folks do that (unplug) and use a red flashlight down the front when polar aligning.




Yes - what I might do is get both a male & female connector
of the same type & connect them together with a resistor & a wire.
I could then plug that into the PCB & the connector from
the LED into the other end.
In this way I wouldn't violate any warranty as I could
unplug it back to standard without anyone knowing.


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Skylook123
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3564848 - 01/16/10 05:50 PM

The Yahoo! EQ6 Users' Group discusses this quite a bit, including resistance choices or even a variable pot to install to control the brightness.

Yahoo! EQ6 User's Group


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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Skylook123]
      #3564869 - 01/16/10 06:02 PM

Thanks Skylook,
I applied to join that Yahoo group.


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Kenny2004
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3565519 - 01/17/10 01:41 AM

Good tips. Surely, you'd think that Skywatcher would be handling this in a way such that they are acknowledging that this is a problem and take measures to rectify. This problem is evidently been going on for years from what I gather. Having 2 different variety of circuit boards isn't helping matters either, and why not just stop shipping the ones that have the 'old' circuit board. Grrr!

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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Kenny2004]
      #3565652 - 01/17/10 04:40 AM

Quote:

Good tips. Surely, you'd think that Skywatcher would be handling this in a way such that they are acknowledging that this is a problem and take measures to rectify. This problem is evidently been going on for years from what I gather. Having 2 different variety of circuit boards isn't helping matters either, and why not just stop shipping the ones that have the 'old' circuit board. Grrr!




I agree Kenny,
I hope to get to the bottom of it.
I actually really like the EQ6 & consider this to be only
a minor problem.
I suppose the higher the QA the higher the cost.
When you consider that a Losmandy Titan mount is
over $10,000 the EQ6 is still a remarkable deal.


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Tiny
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3565692 - 01/17/10 06:34 AM

The Titan is actually closer to 7k and is far beefier and heavier. The build quality difference would be apparent. But that would be expected since its an entirely different class.

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John J
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: cygnus72]
      #3565735 - 01/17/10 08:05 AM

I have one of the very early EQ-6 GTs (the old charcoal grey). It has operated flawlessly for over 5 and a half years now. The EQ-6 GT was offered at least a year before Orion decided to carry the GT feature so that is why I chose it. I got mine through KW telescope in Ontario CA. The nice thing about these guys is they inspect and test each unit before it is shipped to the US. They have excellent customer service. Eric there is very helpful. When I upgraded to the new upgradeable hand control it was to me in three days.

http://www.kwtelescope.com/HomeFS.htm

Now as to this red LED that everyone is so freaking worried about! The led is on its own stiff pins. Just bend it till it is at the polar scopes front tube edge. Another way is to shine a red flash light through the front PA bore at an off angle. Another way is to do your alignment to Polaris while there is still enough sky light to illuminate the reticule. You got what you got so deal with it and quit whinein! I wish this and I wish that stuff. You have totally robbed the OP of his thread. Go to Yahoo!

JJ


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guyroch
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: John J]
      #3565911 - 01/17/10 10:32 AM

Oh boy... I've been following this thread religiously 'cause I order an NEQ6 Pro 2 weeks ago and I should be getting it sometime this week. I hope I'll be getting the latest circuit board with adjustable led light.

But I wouldn't be disappointed either way. I bought the mount for its bang for the buck value and quality. All it means (for me at least) is that I may have to steal red nail polish from my wife to permanently dim the led light. That's it.


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BKBrown
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: guyroch]
      #3565945 - 01/17/10 10:47 AM

After my Friday night observing session I've decided that not having a dimmer on the polar scope is no biggy. Polaris burns right through and I can still see other stars as well. Alignment is a breeze...and my eyes adapt quickly enough. Now if I could only figure out a way to balance that darned C8N more easily...Clear Skies, BrianB.

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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: BKBrown]
      #3566496 - 01/17/10 03:00 PM

Quote:

After my Friday night observing session I've decided that not having a dimmer on the polar scope is no biggy. Polaris burns right through and I can still see other stars as well. Alignment is a breeze...and my eyes adapt quickly enough. Now if I could only figure out a way to balance that darned C8N more easily...Clear Skies, BrianB.




That's lucky for you - in the Southern Hemsiphere we only
have Octans & it's at magnitude 5 - it can hardly be
seen from the city. I couldn't even find it with the
EQ6 turned off.


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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: Tiny]
      #3567779 - 01/18/10 06:02 AM

Quote:

The Titan is actually closer to 7k and is far beefier and heavier. The build quality difference would be apparent. But that would be expected since its an entirely different class.




You're right.
It's come down in price.
See link:

https://www.bintelshop.com.au/welcome.htm

it's now 8,999 Australian dollars.

Also the famous Aussie amateur astronomer Anthony Wesley (Bird)
is using a Losmandy Titan mount.
see link
http://jupiter.samba.org/

That says something!
That guy really knows what he's doing.


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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3567825 - 01/18/10 07:07 AM

I have the following firmware/software

H.C. Firmware Ver 03.23
Database Ver 03.25
HC Hardware Ver 03.04
Motor Controller Ver .02 .03.00

Someone I know has checked for me & they have a polar
scope LED that works & they have this loaded:

1. HC Firmware 3.25
2. Database 3.26
3. HC Hardware 3.04
4. Motor Controller 2.03.00

I have made enquiries & will let people know the outcome.


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Coromandel
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas new [Re: alpal]
      #3568534 - 01/18/10 02:06 PM

Quote:

I have the following firmware/software

H.C. Firmware Ver 03.23
Database Ver 03.25
HC Hardware Ver 03.04
Motor Controller Ver .02 .03.00

Someone I know has checked for me & they have a polar
scope LED that works & they have this loaded:

1. HC Firmware 3.25
2. Database 3.26
3. HC Hardware 3.04
4. Motor Controller 2.03.00

I have made enquiries & will let people know the outcome.




Exactly how many times does it have to be said?

Unless you have the version 2 (or later) internal control PCB, the firmware's polarscope LED brightness control is NOT active.

If you have a version 2 PCB and the latest firmware loaded then you should be able to use the polarscope LED brightness control with the hand controller.

From what I've been told, the PAscope LED option became available from firmware v3.25 (Or possibly one earlier revision.)

This has been a known situation for months and a Google search turns up that info very readily.


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alpal
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Re: EQ-6 Pro/Atlas [Re: Coromandel]
      #3568808 - 01/18/10 04:25 PM

How do you know if you have version 2 of the
internal control PCB?
Is there any marking on the PCB that can identify it?


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