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Chris.Baron
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4298233 - 01/07/11 11:46 AM

I think the CGEM capable is a mount, but I'm not sure how long an exposure one can take at higher focal lengths. When I had my SV90TBV I could go for 30min exposures and had to toss out a few, but not many. I've now moved to a carbon fibre R200SS which funnily enough isn't much heavier than the SV90TBV but balancing it is different.

Of course I developed a problem with my RA gear before I was able to test the R200SS. I was just out of warranty and so sent it down to be hypertuned and had the gear repaired.

I just got it back but the weather has been brutal. I'm hoping I can get a clear night over the next while. I'd be happy with 10 minute subs to begin with, but would like to get back to 30min subs. All told I'm hovering around the 20lb mark so we'll see what a hypertuned CGEM can do.

I have an observatory and plan on getting a pier, but a better tripod could be a stopgap. As long as it isn't ridiculously priced that is. $600 for the DX over the stock CGEM seems a bit steep to me.

Chris


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hfjacinto
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: Chris.Baron]
      #4298245 - 01/07/11 11:54 AM

I don't know what the Tripod costs but lets compare to Losmandy.

The LW Tripod costs $450
The HD costs $700
The FHD MA costs $1190

I think that the CGE Pro tripod is almost as capable as an HD Tripod.

Remember this manufacturers recommended, it will $1799 in a couple of months.

I know people are going to say that it isn't a fair comparison, but we would need to see test images. So far while Losmandy makes a great EQ head, the Gemini system has left me wanting.


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4298292 - 01/07/11 12:18 PM

It will be interesting to see what comes out of this as the first ones hit the market and we get first light reports. The mount head looks exactly the same, and that is where the issues have been, not the tripod. ...still saving for an AP900 or Mach1.

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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: Jim7728]
      #4298640 - 01/07/11 03:31 PM

Quote:

I imagine Celestron will offer that tripod separately for those who want to upgrade their CGEM tripod.


You would need to replace the polar fork on the mount as well.

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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: LLEEGE]
      #4298652 - 01/07/11 03:39 PM

What is a polar fork?

Stan


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: RTLR 12]
      #4298663 - 01/07/11 03:43 PM

All I have to say is:

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LLEEGE
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: RTLR 12]
      #4298693 - 01/07/11 03:57 PM

Quote:

What is a polar fork?

Stan


The lower section of the mount. The part that bolts to the tripod.

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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: LLEEGE]
      #4298720 - 01/07/11 04:18 PM

It looks as if there is an adapter between the polar fork of the CGEM and the DX tripod.

Stan


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LLEEGE
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: RTLR 12]
      #4298751 - 01/07/11 04:31 PM

To me, it looks like an entire new casting. Looks like the only change to the mount itself. It could be an adapter though.

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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: LLEEGE]
      #4298851 - 01/07/11 05:14 PM

Luke,

I think you are right! It does look like a new casting, but it's not a real picture then is it? Seems the way to go would be to make an adapter to mount the existing CGEM, but then you wouldn't have to buy a new one from them if you wanted to update.

Stan


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: Jim7728]
      #4298959 - 01/07/11 06:10 PM

Looks like they had a bunch of CGE tripods left over and want to get rid of them.

This certainly doesn't take the place of the CGE, although I guess in their eyes it does. I think the CGE was a well-done mount save for the *BLEEP* cable connectors. It's too bad they didn't want to continue to support US manufacturing.


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: drksky]
      #4299007 - 01/07/11 06:28 PM

Spreader on the bottom looks a lot like the TPI Astro one you can get for the CGEM or Atlas.

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mclewis1
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: mewmartigan]
      #4299056 - 01/07/11 06:55 PM

The spreader is visually identical to the CGE model. The legs are the same diameter but are brushed stainless steel rather than painted as on the CGE. The castings at the ends and the clamps are slightly different. The forks at the top also look different.

Similar but certainly not identical to the original CGE tripod. If the walls of the legs are the same thickness then the carrying capacity of this tripod should be the same as the CGE.

It all looks like a nice upgrade to the CGEM ... don't love the price though. Now we get to wait for the some hands on experiences to see what the real scoop is.


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Gord
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: mclewis1]
      #4299111 - 01/07/11 07:20 PM

Haven't seen this mentioned, but looking at Celestron's site under "new products", right after the new CGEM DX, is a listing for a CGEM DX 1400 and CGEM DX 1400 HD. Very interesting.

http://www.celestron.com/c3/product.php?CatID=78&ProdID=758
http://www.celestron.com/c3/product.php?CatID=78&ProdID=760

Based on comments that people have made about the Atlas/CGEM after seeing some modifications (to the saddle and more importantly a heavier tripod), there is belief that the mount could handle up in the G11/CGE-classic weight range. That would be enough to carry the C14, at least for visual & planetary imaging.

Hmmmmm. Going to have to watch that space.

Clear skies,


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Gord
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: Gord]
      #4299121 - 01/07/11 07:26 PM

Looks like $6299 for the classic C14:

http://www.highpointscientific.com/product/CEL-11001/Celestron-CGEM-DX-1400-14-F10-SCT-Telescope-11001.html

That's close to in-line with the old CGE 1400 package.

Clear skies,


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! new [Re: Gord]
      #4299201 - 01/07/11 07:58 PM

Wow, a C14 on a CGE.

Actually this makes me wonder why the big C doesn't sell their mounts -without- tripods but with a pier plate for those of us who plan to mount these permanently. I realize that would add more SKUs but if it cuts a few hundred of the cost then it would make the product even more attractive. I mean if I buy a CGE-Pro I end up with the big tripod in the basement that'll serve no purpose.


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Gord
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! [Re: Gord]
      #4299206 - 01/07/11 08:00 PM

I forgot to mention, it's hard to tell from the picture, but is the c/w bar actually bigger in diameter as well? I'm wondering if they increased it to the same as the CGE-Pro (and old CGE, G11, etc.), which is 1.25" I think. It looks heavier.

Clear skies,


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Steven
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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! [Re: Gord]
      #4299217 - 01/07/11 08:05 PM

Maybe Orion/Sky-Watcher will soon put a beefier tripod on their Atlas/EQ6 mounts for a stated 60-70 lbs capacity

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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! [Re: Gord]
      #4299223 - 01/07/11 08:07 PM

Actually, the spreader is the same one as the CGE-Pro. Cast steel as opposed to the plastic on on the classic CGE, which was one of the things I never liked about it. Seemed like a really cheap and silly place to cut a corner.

Counterweight shaft definitely doesn't look as thick as a CGE shaft. Looks the same as the CGEM and CG5. Quite spindley. I've never understood why C lists the CW shaft weight, but not the size.


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Re: New Celestron CGEM DX- 50lb capacity! [Re: Gord]
      #4299224 - 01/07/11 08:08 PM

And the EDGE 14 HD on the CGEM DX...

Stan

http://www.highpointscientific.com/product/CEL-11004/Celestron-Edge-HD-1400-On-CGEM-DX-Mount-14-F11-Aplantic-SCT-Telescope-11004.html


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