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Don Allen
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Is the LXD-75...
      #4368488 - 02/06/11 08:13 PM

when compared to Orion mounts, in carrying capacity, equal to the Skyview Pro or the Sirius.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4368493 - 02/06/11 08:16 PM

I have had a 9.25 on my LXD 75. Its fine visually but its much better with the 120MM EON.

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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4368571 - 02/06/11 08:55 PM

I want to put my F15 on the Sirius if it works instead of buying the heavy, for my aging muscles, Atlas.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4368622 - 02/06/11 09:15 PM Attachment (54 downloads)

This is the EON on the LXD 75, an F15 scope, may be too long.

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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4368652 - 02/06/11 09:41 PM

I will say this, my lxd 75 was 84% capable of handling the F15, but it was a struggle.For me and the mount.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4368664 - 02/06/11 09:50 PM

How does the EON120 ride on that? Pretty stable?

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hfjacinto
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: AlienRatDog]
      #4368705 - 02/06/11 10:20 PM

Abe,

LXD75 handles the EON fine. The EON is light.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4369898 - 02/07/11 01:55 PM

I think that the LXD-75 is more comparable overall to the CG-5 ASGT. The Sirius has a similar loading capacity, but mechanically is more sturdy, and, on my opinion, better built.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: gustavo_sanchez]
      #4369965 - 02/07/11 02:20 PM

I believe the LXD-75 is supposed to be similar to both the CG-5 and the Orion SkyView Pro. All of these are clones of the Vixen GP.

Gale


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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: gdd]
      #4370292 - 02/07/11 04:31 PM

I am reading from these comments that the sirius would have more capacity then the LXD75 by a reasonable
percentage. Say 20-30%.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4370317 - 02/07/11 04:47 PM

I would agree with your statement.

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DaveE
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: hfjacinto]
      #4370327 - 02/07/11 04:50 PM

The Atlas is considered a "Step up" from the EQ-G by Orion (and $250 more), yet would you classify the Atlas and LXD75 as competitors and similar in capability? But the EQ-G has more weight capacity?

-Dave


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DaveE
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: DaveE]
      #4370333 - 02/07/11 04:53 PM

Actually, the EQ-G has a 30lb max load while the Atlas has a 40lb max load.

One day when I purchase only one mount, I always thought of myself as getting either an Atlas or CGEM to mount the EON 120 with an 80mm piggyback. I never thought to get the less expensive Sirius EQ-G... and yet Orion sells this exact combination as a kit:
http://www.telescope.com/control/telescopes/goto-and-computerized-telescopes/orion-sirius-eon-120ed-eq-g-computerized-goto-refractor-telescope

I'm wondering if this combination would handle the added weight of a piggybacked guidescope?

-Dave

Edited by DaveE (02/07/11 05:00 PM)


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: DaveE]
      #4370429 - 02/07/11 05:32 PM

Quote:

yet would you classify the Atlas and LXD75 as competitors and similar in capability?
-Dave







...NO


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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: bardo]
      #4370672 - 02/07/11 07:19 PM

Well thanks all. I wanted to avoid getting the Atlas or the G-8 as this is the only refractor I am going to own so the Sirius is it.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4370804 - 02/07/11 08:11 PM

In my opinion, LXD should be better than CG5 because:
1.LXD75 has ball bearings on both RA and DEC, CG5 only on RA
2.LXD75 has reduced slew rate mode which is good for long tubes

I was able to run my 10" F5 #40 reflector on top of it for visual only. After balancing it was running very smoothly.
The only problems I had were:
1. EP too high so I had to stand
2. Goto errors of about 3degree in the worst case
Otherwise tracking and motors were running just fine.

At $475 shipped from Meade outlet, it is a killer deal.


Alex


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DaveE
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: bardo]
      #4372614 - 02/08/11 04:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

yet would you classify the Atlas and LXD75 as competitors and similar in capability?
-Dave







...NO




I meant to ask if you believe the Sirius EQ-G and LXD75 are competitors and similar in capability?

-Dave


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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: DaveE]
      #4373000 - 02/08/11 07:25 PM

Considering the Sirius costs $350-400 more than the LXD, even on the used market, I would hope it has more capacity.

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avarakin
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4373075 - 02/08/11 08:05 PM

Quote:

Considering the Sirius costs $350-400 more than the LXD, even on the used market, I would hope it has more capacity.



Well, Sirius costs about twice the LXD75 costs (1150 vs 600). Do you get twice performance? I dont think so.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: avarakin]
      #4373827 - 02/09/11 06:02 AM

Quote:

2. Goto errors of about 3degree in the worst case
Otherwise tracking and motors were running just fine.

Alex




Three degrees doesn't constitute "better" in my book. My CG5 has placed objects on the small chip of my Stellacam since day one.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: rmollise]
      #4374025 - 02/09/11 08:45 AM

I think the goto errors on the LXD75 are due to the *BLEEP*-poor encoder wheels on the motors.

This is why Deep Space Products sells upgraded encoder wheels for the LXD75. :-)


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: orlyandico]
      #4374040 - 02/09/11 08:56 AM

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I think the goto errors on the LXD75 are due to the *BLEEP*-poor encoder wheels on the motors.

This is why Deep Space Products sells upgraded encoder wheels for the LXD75. :-)




I know they are thin, flimsy, easily damaged and separate from the motors.

I do think the LXD 75 is somewhat better than it used to be, but the last star party I was at a couple of dudes had stripped their 75 down to parade rest to try to deal with slipping transfer gears.


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Don Allen
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: rmollise]
      #4374318 - 02/09/11 11:52 AM

Uncle Rod,

The gears were the issue with my LXD75. No matter how I adjusted them they would continue to slip.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Don Allen]
      #4374398 - 02/09/11 12:34 PM

Hmmm, 6 years and 2 LXD75's later mine have always given excellent service. Accurate GoTo's require good calibration and drive training, most of the problems I've seen were due to skipping the calibration step. A good power source is a big help as well. The few cases of gears slipping that I've seen were easily fixed with a spot of Locktite on the set screws. At least that has been my experience.

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DaveE
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: jgraham]
      #4374481 - 02/09/11 01:12 PM

All I want is a portable mount that's goto/tracking PLUS easy enough for grab-n-go without power... take it out back, mount the scope, point and enjoy without power, aligning, or the controller, just like my Vixen porta. Only if I want goto/tracking will I bring the battery out and align it.

But this mount needs to be able to hold anything from a little 6lb 80mm refractor to a big 15lb 5" job with a piggybacked guide scope. The reason is I don't really want to spend twice on two mounts.

But what I'm finding out is you can't have it all... I need to buy a good manual alt-az for grab-n-go like my Vixen porta but one that can handle 15lbs... but then I also need to just bite the bullet and buy an Atlas too.

-Dave


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: DaveE]
      #4374516 - 02/09/11 01:32 PM

My 4.25" f15 home built Jaegers scope is too much for my hypertuned LXD 75 scope to handle. Not by a lot but I wouldn't want to use it for anything but light duty viewing (public star parties etc.) I ended up getting an Atlas mount for it and WOW the difference! True the Atlas is quite a handful to carry around, but for any serious viewing or AP it was the only way to go. My C8 scope does work very well on the LDX-75 mount though.

As for slipping gears, the gear chain is one of the greatest weaknesses of the LXD-75. Replace that cobbled up mess of a cheap cheap gear train with a Warp Drive belt. You won't be disappointed. And no I am not associated in any way with WarpDrive.

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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: rmollise]
      #4375339 - 02/09/11 08:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

2. Goto errors of about 3degree in the worst case
Otherwise tracking and motors were running just fine.

Alex




Three degrees doesn't constitute "better" in my book. My CG5 has placed objects on the small chip of my Stellacam since day one.




Rod, Three degrees was under HUGE load - 40 pounds of 10" F5 reflector with old fashioned thick metal tube.
Under normal load like 15 pounds of 5" F5 plus imaging gear, I am also getting my target in the center of APS-C chip.
My point was that even under such huge load, the mount was still performing reasonably well - it was stable, motors were moving the scope just fine, tracking was accurate enough for visual.
Given some effort, probably I could've solved this goto accuracy issue, just never felt that such configuration is really workable, mostly because EP is too high and rotating such tube might be not too easy even with Wilcox rings. I am still new to this hobby and at this point I dont see observing from a ladder as fun, I'd rather have my butt sitting while observing

Alex


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bardo
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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: avarakin]
      #4375384 - 02/09/11 08:33 PM

my LXD75 doesnt have gear slip. I have bought two used over the years and they always had it though. but its almost always from someone trying to hypertune that really shouldnt have bothered and put it together less than optimal. usually a quick little shim in the right places will fix any of that type of stuff. the motors like to pull themselves away from the worm gear when torqued down. really not a big deal.

i think for what the OP wants the mount would be just fine.


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: avarakin]
      #4375626 - 02/09/11 11:10 PM

Alex writes: "- 40 pounds of 10" F5 reflector"
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Woah! Way way over loaded. I know that Mead shipped this mount with a 10" Schmidt-Newtonian, but never have I seen this mount behave well under this load, 3* pointing accuracy is NOT acceptable, you will damage the mount and its driving components. Get ye at least an Atlas with this sort of load.

Chuck the Grumpy Gator


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: gdd]
      #4376443 - 02/10/11 11:49 AM

Quote:

I believe the LXD-75 is supposed to be similar to both the CG-5 and the Orion SkyView Pro. All of these are clones of the Vixen GP.

Gale




Correct


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Re: Is the LXD-75... new [Re: Scott Beith]
      #4376770 - 02/10/11 02:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I believe the LXD-75 is supposed to be similar to both the CG-5 and the Orion SkyView Pro. All of these are clones of the Vixen GP.

Gale




Correct




Yep...but from different manufacturers, with Synta producing the Celestron and Orion branded mounts.


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