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Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info?
      #4507011 - 04/09/11 01:03 PM

Has anyone tried out the new Gemini II? If so how does it compare with other GOTOs.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4507016 - 04/09/11 01:06 PM

Why not check out the Yahoo Losmandy Users and Gemini users groups and ask them there?

That's where the beta testers and Rene all hang out, after all..,

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: skybsd]
      #4507280 - 04/09/11 03:03 PM

There are still major problems with the firmware and I would consider Gemini II in the Beta + testing stages. Not a day goes by without another problem coming up. Take skybsd's suggestion, join the Yahoo Gemini II Group and you can read about 25 to 30 Posts each day on what is going on.

Gemini II is a great system but it is still having the bugs worked out. If you enjoy getting in on the ground floor by all means buy one and help with the development. If not, wait at least 6 months to a year before you buy.

Luck, Bill


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Billydee]
      #4507753 - 04/09/11 07:37 PM

Sounds like it is a year before it hits the market and is ready for prime time. I will look at other brands of reliable 60lb capacity mounts currently available. My CGEM just does not make the cut with my C11 and 115T on a side by side set up at 46lb.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4507914 - 04/09/11 09:12 PM

Buy a used G-11 with a proven Gemini I and you will have a solid setup. Then plan to change to a Gemini II in about 9 months. You will be able to sell the Gemini I and then you will have the most upto date system. The G-11 will always hold it's value.

Join the Yahoo Groups: #1. Losmandy, #2. Gemini I and #3. Gemini II. You will enjoy the talk.

Luck, Bill


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Billydee]
      #4508076 - 04/09/11 11:17 PM

What about the CGEM Pro? You could buy it with the C-14 Edge HD and give me the OTA
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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: jmiele]
      #4508315 - 04/10/11 02:50 AM

GGEpro is to tall. Plus it does not have the same quality as the G11 IMO.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4508403 - 04/10/11 05:16 AM

Hello,

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GGEpro is to tall. Plus it does not have the same quality as the G11 IMO.




Quality© is relative to one's requirements (wants?) and budget, really.

If the CGE-Pro is too tall - then that's fair enough. Off the candidate list it must go..,

You mentioned previously that you were interested in a 60lb payload capacity mount.

As a fmr G11 owner, I can tell you that if it is that you intend (want / need) to install 60lbs of instrument weight on a G11, its a good idea to try to find people who actually do this, and determine what that's like.

I've no intentions of putting a dampener here, but heading over to those Yahoo groups is the best thing you can do to assess your expectations of a G11, really.

Best wishes..,

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: skybsd]
      #4508548 - 04/10/11 08:26 AM

Agreed with 60#'s of payload and the choice is G11 or CGE Pro the CGE Pro is the only real option.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Phil Cowell]
      #4508991 - 04/10/11 12:20 PM

One of our imagers used to have a 14" Meade on a G11 and produced some nice stuff. I'm going to venture a guess, but I know his first name is Dwight and I think his last name is Tally. You might want to look him up.

David


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #4509125 - 04/10/11 01:27 PM

I plan to use a C11 and light SV115T20 or SV70ED On a side by side. Total weight under 45lb with Mallincam.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Billydee]
      #4509185 - 04/10/11 01:53 PM

if you plan on imaging and use automated software or the sky to control the mount, I am not sure there is a big reason to change from the Gemini 1. Once you have turned it on and aligned the mount, you don't even touch the hand controller.
I use CCDAutoPliot with The Sky 6 Pro and Maxim DL with PinPoint and Focusmax and it is all completely automatic after I turn it on, even taking flats and bias as well as parking the mount as stopping tracking.
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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: skybsd]
      #4509374 - 04/10/11 03:56 PM

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Why not check out the Yahoo Losmandy Users and Gemini users groups and ask them there?

That's where the beta testers and Rene all hang out, after all..,

Regards,

skybsd




Respectfully, I dissent. Cloudy Nights is the best astronomy community on the net. Certainly the yahoo groups have their place, but the user interface is awful, frankly. In my opinion, when a CN'er asks a question here and it told to go elsewhere, this is pretty much a non-answer. There are several active GII users active here. Rather than encouraging members to seek answers elsewhere, why not let the thread unfold through posts from GII users?


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #4509470 - 04/10/11 04:52 PM

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One of our imagers used to have a 14" Meade on a G11 and produced some nice stuff. I'm going to venture a guess, but I know his first name is Dwight and I think his last name is Tally. You might want to look him up.

David




I run the Meade 14" on mine as well. Some might get away with it on a G11 but it really is outside it's envelope. Hey there are some working wonders with a CG5 but the time and care involved is not for most of us.
Between the two at that weight, I would put my money on the Pro for most folks having sucess without going to a lot of effort. That's unmodified out of the box.
Phil


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Eric Gage]
      #4509478 - 04/10/11 04:55 PM

Hello,

Quote:

Quote:

Why not check out the Yahoo Losmandy Users and Gemini users groups and ask them there?

That's where the beta testers and Rene all hang out, after all..,

Regards,

skybsd




Respectfully, I dissent. Cloudy Nights is the best astronomy community on the net. Certainly the yahoo groups have their place, but the user interface is awful, frankly. In my opinion, when a CN'er asks a question here and it told to go elsewhere, this is pretty much a non-answer. There are several active GII users active here. Rather than encouraging members to seek answers elsewhere, why not let the thread unfold through posts from GII users?





In case you did not know, other than directly with Rene, the Yahoo Gemni and Gemini-II user groups are two of the main designated forums where Gemini-II users currently in beta and field testing are actively posting and providing feedback on code releases - NOT Cloudy Nights.

You may also wish to ask yourself why it is that the "several active GII users active here" are not actually posting their feedback or reviews on Cloudy Nights.

I'm done..,

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skybsd


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: blueman]
      #4509479 - 04/10/11 04:55 PM

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if you plan on imaging and use automated software or the sky to control the mount, I am not sure there is a big reason to change from the Gemini 1. Once you have turned it on and aligned the mount, you don't even touch the hand controller.





That's until a critical component dies and then the fix is a replacement due to things like the RTC being no longer available.
If the OP has their heart set on a G11 I'd recommend waiting until G2 is out of beta and stable with full functionality.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Phil Cowell]
      #4509556 - 04/10/11 05:38 PM

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If the OP has their heart set on a G11 I'd recommend waiting until G2 is out of beta and stable with full functionality.




I agree with this! My 1st gemini 1 was lvl 3 version 1.03,,,
I then upgraded it to lvl 4 version 1.05.

Wait till the bugs have worked themselves out and as well as additional features come on line.

kb


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: kbastro]
      #4509713 - 04/10/11 07:19 PM

I am more leary of buying a CGEpro for 5K+ and have it superceded by the new and improved CGEsuperPro with a totaly different operating system two years from now. I would bet the farm on the G11 as it has beem around a long time and besides it is made just south of where I live and I can aways find parts to repair it without paying the ever increasing shipping charges. The Gemini 2 OS is no different than the stuff I have been buying from Microsoft for years. It is aways a work in progress. As long as I can plug it into a USB and get an update....so what is the difference.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4509809 - 04/10/11 08:20 PM

That's sound logic. No doubt the Losmandy G11 is a fine product and support/repair strong. Joe

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: jmiele]
      #4509905 - 04/10/11 09:13 PM

The biggest problem that I've been hearing about the G2 on the Yahoo group is that even the alignment routine is not complete. From what I gathered recently, it's only capable of a one-star alignment, which is pretty darned basic for something that is being shipped to end users, not beta testers.

Although, from the sound of it, all the current buyers ARE the beta testers.

I'm not knocking it, it'd just be nice if they told the people ordering that up front.

I've been watching the Losmandy and G2 groups very closely because as badly as I want a Mach-1, I'm probably going to have to settle for a G-11.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: blueman]
      #4509929 - 04/10/11 09:25 PM

I'm with you on this one. Gemini 1 does everything required. If you need the computer programs to run the imaging side - it's all there as obviously you have proven that fact. How much would a better user interface matter once Gemini is turned on and alignment routine completed? Would it matter in the end results?

I use a simple ST-4 to auto guide my older G11. Both programs required a learning curve - but I prefer to read a manual to learn the features vs poking around in sub menus and trying things.

Everything works like a charm - so I'm fixing what with Gemini 2? Oh yea - depleting my bank account. lol


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Nebhunter]
      #4510072 - 04/10/11 10:45 PM

They had to produce the gemini 2 due to critical components that make up the electronics of the original Gemini now being obsolete.
Many parts are no longer available from suppliers as stated last year.
You could always buy used G1's to support failures I guess.
There is also the option of waiting until the G2 is functionaly complete and then buying a G11 with Gemini 2.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4510794 - 04/11/11 10:28 AM

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I plan to use a C11 and light SV115T20 or SV70ED On a side by side. Total weight under 45lb with Mallincam.




You could go with a USED CGE for that setup; I was doing that for over a year (with my Mallincam) until I upgraded to my MI-250...

You'd be at the limit, but for Mallincamming it would work; probably not so well for more classic AP...

Based on my limited time with a G11, I think it would handle this particular load and use case reasonably well...

HTH


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Bowmoreman]
      #4511059 - 04/11/11 12:16 PM

Thanks Dave. I did think of a used CGE, however, they are no longer supported by the mfg and parts could be a problem in the future. There are a lot of Losmandy mounts and support is good.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4512532 - 04/12/11 01:19 AM

I'm easily pushing 45 lbs on my G11 for astrophotography. An F7 scope, piggy back guide scope, field flattener and a heavy big Pentax 67 film camera hanging off all that.

No issues, and auto guides very well. I still believe this is the best mount for the money. Easy to work on, tune up, and with the new one piece worm block - really good PE numbers.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Nebhunter]
      #4512601 - 04/12/11 02:42 AM

Just plunked down some bucks on a preorder.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4513134 - 04/12/11 10:59 AM

Welcome to the Gemini "club"... it is definitely a "love or hate" type thing...

Me, once I got used to Gemini, I'm a "lover"

Best for me is that it operates well in the very cold, no display dimming issues like the LCD displays on NexStar, etc... AND you can operate it without having to LOOK at it!

(again, once you memorize the "layers")

I've no experience (obviously) yet with Gemini II; I'm not going to be an early adopter of it, unless - heaven forbid - I have another lightning strike/event and have no choice!


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Bowmoreman]
      #4513337 - 04/12/11 12:33 PM

Thanks Dave. I have decided to embrace the future. Hopefully the G2 will be far enough along by the time I get my mount I can run it off a laptop in my observatory. Since I will rarely move it, alignment issues should not be a problem.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4513489 - 04/12/11 01:55 PM

MistyRidge,
Welcome to the club, When is your "delivery" date? Mine should be sometime next month or maybe early June. I ordered IIRC early March.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4513501 - 04/12/11 02:04 PM

I am sure the G2 will be excellent when the software is fully updated and functional. There are always difficulties with new products, but they are usually worked out.
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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4513668 - 04/12/11 03:58 PM

Quote:

Just plunked down some bucks on a preorder.



Hey Mike,
So you decided. I think you will really enjoy the G11 as it is a well made mount and Gemini II while evolving is a very promising platform that is sure to go a long way.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Startraffic]
      #4513908 - 04/12/11 06:26 PM

StarT I will pobably get it in late June as they are only about two months behind now.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4513913 - 04/12/11 06:30 PM

Thank you all for the back and forth that helped me dicide. Now I must make room so I am thinking of haveing a astro garage sale.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4514053 - 04/12/11 07:42 PM

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StarT I will pobably get it in late June as they are only about two months behind now.



So, it only took me 4 weeks to get mine after I was told it may take much longer! You just never know.

Just to let folks know how good of a company Losmandy is, I had an issue with the Real Time Clock in the main Gemini II unit. Russell and Scott at Losmandy were very responsive. I shipped them the unit and they shipped it back within 24 hours of receiving it from me. Compared to service I have received from other mount manufacturers whom I will not mention, that was the speed of light for a response time! I in no way regret my decision to buy from Losmandy. Sorry, did not mean to thread jack, just to reinforce Mike's decision.


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: nemo129]
      #4514087 - 04/12/11 07:51 PM

Kirk, Losmandy is a lot closer. I could drive to them if I had to only a little over 300mi. I will be following the firmware dev. on the Y site.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: mistyridge]
      #4514104 - 04/12/11 07:58 PM

Well Mike you do have that decided advantage over me...its about 3000 miles for me. Might be worth the 300 mile trip though if they give you a tour of the shop! I hope your wait is not too long, although it will give you time to mull over mount accessories.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: nemo129]
      #4518559 - 04/14/11 07:47 PM

I just purchased a G11 with intent of adding the Gemini II upgrade as my budget allows. Anyone watching want to chime in on when they'll be available?

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: berlinstar]
      #4518632 - 04/14/11 08:19 PM

Welcome to Cloudy Nights! You can order the Gemini II retrofit kits for a G11 right now. They are listed on the Losmandy site for $1595 for a kit with standard servo motors or $1795 if you want the beefier Maxon motors. As previously stated the firmware is on the beta side but certainly usable.

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: nemo129]
      #4518828 - 04/14/11 09:32 PM

Thanks!

Awesome... I've been pushing a broken 12" LX200 for a couple of years now and finally took the plunge on purchasing a quality mount, deforking my ota.

I'm prone to breaking things, and my decision on going with Losmandy (beside a solid platform that's made here in the states), is the accessibility of parts, that doesn't require the tele/mount to be shipped back to the manufacturer.

I'm still "pushing" now, but at least I'm able to electronically center, then track what I'm looking at.

I can't wait to get my hands on that Gemini...


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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: berlinstar]
      #4533924 - 04/21/11 10:37 AM

Well a PC software provide a G-11 with GOTO capability? If so, do I need to buy the Gemini system? And what software would that be?

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Re: Losmandy G11 Gemini II any info? new [Re: Bart]
      #4533933 - 04/21/11 10:42 AM

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Well a PC software provide a G-11 with GOTO capability?




Not with the "standard" 492 drives. You'd need a Gemini or other aftermarket goto system installed.


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