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coopman
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Jeff Smith]
      #5537115 - 11/24/12 11:46 AM

How much does that G11 mount weigh? Looks pretty heavy.

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Patrick
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: D_talley]
      #5538078 - 11/25/12 12:00 AM

Nice job Dwight! My wood pier is still serving me well!

Patrick


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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Patrick]
      #5538139 - 11/25/12 01:12 AM

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Nice job Dwight! My wood pier is still serving me well!

Patrick




Thanks. Yours is the design I tried to copy, seemed logical and easy to build. Thanks


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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: coopman]
      #5538140 - 11/25/12 01:13 AM

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How much does that G11 mount weigh? Looks pretty heavy.


I don't know at the moment. I am not taking it down right now since I have it zeroed in.

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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: D_talley]
      #5539610 - 11/25/12 11:20 PM

Very nice work Dwight. 4x 6x6 wow!

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John Miele
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: korborh]
      #5541067 - 11/26/12 09:17 PM

Jeepers Dwight! I was at Lowes yesterday to buy some odds and ends and decided to take a look at the 6x6 posts while I was there. Man they are huge! And Heavy! I admit it...I was intimidated and I'm now having 2nd thoughts about handling these big pieces...John

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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: John Miele]
      #5541266 - 11/26/12 11:07 PM

John,

Trying just using 1 x 6x6 or doing 4 x 4x4. I think you'll find it works just fine.

I'm using a single 6x6 and while I can make it 'shake', it dampens almost immediately.


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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Raginar]
      #5541484 - 11/27/12 03:29 AM

I am 6'4" and had no problems moving the 8 foot sections of 6x6 around. I do wish they sold 6 foot sections instead. A pier made with 4x4 would work. I get no shake with the pier I made. See if you can fine a friend or someone from the club to help.

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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: D_talley]
      #5541874 - 11/27/12 11:10 AM

Menards had 6' sections . I agree the 4 6x6 option has to be very sturdy.

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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Raginar]
      #5541985 - 11/27/12 12:08 PM

Dwight,

How did you secure the mount to the top plate? And have you had any problems with keeping it perfectly level considering expansion/contraction or slippage of the bolts between the plates?

Michael


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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: D_talley]
      #5542027 - 11/27/12 12:30 PM

Why not use an old railway tie? A 9' tie costs $15, and no fuss with drilling holes. Only downside I see is that they are heavy and require 2 people to maneuver around.

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HunterofPhotons
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: hottr6]
      #5542188 - 11/27/12 01:54 PM

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Why not use an old railway tie? ..... Only downside I see is that they are heavy and require 2 people to maneuver around.




They're soaked with creosote.
Creosote is probably carcinogenic, is a well-known irritant, and it's sticky.
There are many wood species available at lumber yards that have no deleterious effects.

dan k.


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Lorence
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: John Miele]
      #5542288 - 11/27/12 02:55 PM

Quote:

Jeepers Dwight! I was at Lowes yesterday to buy some odds and ends and decided to take a look at the 6x6 posts while I was there. Man they are huge! And Heavy! I admit it...I was intimidated and I'm now having 2nd thoughts about handling these big pieces...John




John my pier was made out of four twelve foot PT 6x6's bolted together. Yes the beams are heavy but I managed to move them around without much trouble. Roll, push, drag, whatever it takes to move them. Lift one end at a time and walk it to where you want it. The most important muscle required to do that sort of work is the one between your ears.

If you face a task with the attitude I can't do that, you probably won't. If you take the attitude there's got to be a way to do this, you will likely succeed.


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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: HunterofPhotons]
      #5542314 - 11/27/12 03:13 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Why not use an old railway tie? ..... Only downside I see is that they are heavy and require 2 people to maneuver around.




They're soaked with creosote.
Creosote is probably carcinogenic, is a well-known irritant, and it's sticky.
There are many wood species available at lumber yards that have no deleterious effects.

dan k.




I built this pier one afternoon and I was alone so I had to have pieces of wood that I could move on my own. Also I don't need the chemical issue around the scopes or mount.


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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: mlanglois]
      #5542324 - 11/27/12 03:21 PM

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Dwight,

How did you secure the mount to the top plate? And have you had any problems with keeping it perfectly level considering expansion/contraction or slippage of the bolts between the plates?

Michael




I used a FHD / Meade field tripod adapter connected on the top plate to hold the mount. You can get them from Losmandy. I used the one that I had on my G8 mount which I was not using. It has a 1/2 inch hole in the center to bolt down to the plate.

The bolts between the plates are 3/4 inch bolts that don't move at all. No movement of the plates or the pier yet but we have not had time to see what the weather does. I don't expect any movement and the design of the plates will let you adjust the level by adjusting the bolts a few turns.


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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: D_talley]
      #5542567 - 11/27/12 06:07 PM

Dwight,
That's what I do too. Just adjust a bolt here and there to make sure she's level.

I love your pier.


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John Miele
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Lorence]
      #5542913 - 11/27/12 09:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Jeepers Dwight! I was at Lowes yesterday to buy some odds and ends and decided to take a look at the 6x6 posts while I was there. Man they are huge! And Heavy! I admit it...I was intimidated and I'm now having 2nd thoughts about handling these big pieces...John




John my pier was made out of four twelve foot PT 6x6's bolted together. Yes the beams are heavy but I managed to move them around without much trouble. Roll, push, drag, whatever it takes to move them. Lift one end at a time and walk it to where you want it. The most important muscle required to do that sort of work is the one between your ears.

If you face a task with the attitude I can't do that, you probably won't. If you take the attitude there's got to be a way to do this, you will likely succeed.




Yep! That muscle between my ears certainly needs to get to work!! Well, you all have inspired me. I'm going to go eat my wheaties, zip up my mansuit and get to it! I'll buy the posts this Sunday and I have a friend to help me run the hole digger.

Dwight...did you mix the concrete by hand in a wheelbarrow? Any troubles with that part?

Also, I could only find 1/2" bolts at Lowes in the 12" lenght. Where did you get your 3/4" bolts?

John


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Dan G
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: John Miele]
      #5542940 - 11/27/12 10:07 PM

Try this threaded rod.

Dan in NY


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Raginar
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: Dan G]
      #5542955 - 11/27/12 10:18 PM

1/2 inch rod will work too.

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D_talley
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Re: Backyard wood Pier new [Re: John Miele]
      #5543330 - 11/28/12 06:52 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

Jeepers Dwight! I was at Lowes yesterday to buy some odds and ends and decided to take a look at the 6x6 posts while I was there. Man they are huge! And Heavy! I admit it...I was intimidated and I'm now having 2nd thoughts about handling these big pieces...John




John my pier was made out of four twelve foot PT 6x6's bolted together. Yes the beams are heavy but I managed to move them around without much trouble. Roll, push, drag, whatever it takes to move them. Lift one end at a time and walk it to where you want it. The most important muscle required to do that sort of work is the one between your ears.

If you face a task with the attitude I can't do that, you probably won't. If you take the attitude there's got to be a way to do this, you will likely succeed.




Yep! That muscle between my ears certainly needs to get to work!! Well, you all have inspired me. I'm going to go eat my wheaties, zip up my mansuit and get to it! I'll buy the posts this Sunday and I have a friend to help me run the hole digger.

Dwight...did you mix the concrete by hand in a wheelbarrow? Any troubles with that part?

Also, I could only find 1/2" bolts at Lowes in the 12" lenght. Where did you get your 3/4" bolts?

John




I used 1/2 inch bolts to tie the 6x6 together. Lowes is the only one that sells the 12 inch length. Use a long 5/8 drill bit to drill the holes through the posts for the 1/2 inch bolts. Makes it easier to put them in. Don't let the 6x6 move around when drilling or the holes will not align for the 12 inch bolts. Even with new drill bits, it took a while to drill out the holes for the bolts. Had to use an electric drill since my battery powered drill ran out of power all the time. Make sure to glue the posts before you screw them together.

It will be heavy!!!! I used a hand truck to move it to the hole.

I used 3/4 threaded rods to tie the plates together. Home Depot sells 12 inch long 3/4 threaded rods. I cut them to 8 inchs long for my plate.

As for the hole digger, make sure you get the 12 inch bit. It will take two of you to hold the machine as it digs. I dug as deep as it could go and then finished up with a post hole digger. The hole was three feet deep. My poor back!!

No need to mix the concrete. Just pour the dry concrete into the hole to the level you want and then add water. That is how you set posts when building fences. Make sure your hole has enough clearance around the pier to give you room for the concrete.

I used 12 inch plates. That required me to move the Gemini off to the side, look at the photos to see how I had it attached.

Measure the height of your mount to determine the height above ground to make your pier. Make sure you add the height of the two plates and mount attachment. I used three feet for my G11 pier. Adjust as needed.


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