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corpusse
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Reged: 04/11/10

Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order
      #5783467 - 04/07/13 10:15 AM

A local scope shop is taking pre orders for June delivery with a cost of 3,913$

At this price it should put the cge pro out of business assuming it works.. I would post a link but I'm not sure it's allowed.

While I want an ap mount or paramount. This is much more in my price range as a final observatory mount to use for decades...


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Mike X.
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5783745 - 04/07/13 12:53 PM

Not bad as a price, it could be a nice alternative to the cge-pro.

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steelhead
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Reged: 01/27/11

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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5785534 - 04/08/13 09:48 AM

Just seen it on another Canadian dealer site for $3289. I see they state the capacity at 50kg too.

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corpusse
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Reged: 04/11/10

Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: steelhead]
      #5785549 - 04/08/13 09:58 AM

Quote:

Just seen it on another Canadian dealer site for $3289. I see they state the capacity at 50kg too.




Wow!


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steelhead
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Loc: Smithers, BC
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5785936 - 04/08/13 12:54 PM

Another Canadian site has it listed at $3799.

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rmollise
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5786226 - 04/08/13 03:32 PM

Quote:

A local scope shop is taking pre orders for June delivery with a cost of 3,913$

At this price it should put the cge pro out of business assuming it works.. I would post a link but I'm not sure it's allowed.

While I want an ap mount or paramount. This is much more in my price range as a final observatory mount to use for decades...




I ain't afeared: http://khanscope.com/accessDetails.cfm?productID=4761

This is no way constitutes my endorsement of this particular dealer, however...


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corpusse
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Reged: 04/11/10

Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: rmollise]
      #5786336 - 04/08/13 04:23 PM

I wonder why there is such a price difference. You would think there would be a minimum price. I'm really thinking ill pre order from te 3289 dealer. Even if shipping is 200$ it's way cheaper then the local places..

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wz2
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Reged: 07/30/10

Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5786809 - 04/08/13 08:43 PM

What's the PE like on the EQ mounts? They don't seem to provide a spec.

Thanks, Chris


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rmollise
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: wz2]
      #5786817 - 04/08/13 08:46 PM

Quote:

What's the PE like on the EQ mounts? They don't seem to provide a spec.

Thanks, Chris




How could any of us possibly answer that?


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wz2
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: rmollise]
      #5786861 - 04/08/13 09:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

What's the PE like on the EQ mounts? They don't seem to provide a spec.

Thanks, Chris




How could any of us possibly answer that?




Reviews
Word of mouth
Personal use
Other forums
User groups

I'm totally unfamiliar with the EQ line and haven't been able to find much on them. Just thought someone might know a little more than me and would be willing to share.

Chris


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ASTERON
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: wz2]
      #5787362 - 04/09/13 04:37 AM

Even if it costs $2500, would you pre-order a mount for which there are no guaranteed performance specifications ?
You might end with a PE of +-5 arcminutes
A Decent and respectable manufacturer should not offer pre-order sales of a product, when there are no minimally guaranteed performance specs.

Edited by ASTERON (04/09/13 04:40 AM)


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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: ASTERON]
      #5787395 - 04/09/13 05:22 AM

I understand where you are coming from, I do remember though that on one of the YouTube videos about the mounts, they where indirectly hinting that the mount would perform along the same lines as an astrophysics mount.

They have a very big worm wheel on the mount, which to my understanding reduces the effect of the PE from the worm gear.

All this is speculation, I am not prepared to stand by my statement, so make your pre-order purchase decisions at your own risk.


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sage


Reged: 08/31/11

Loc: Houston, Texas, USA
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5787515 - 04/09/13 07:38 AM

Quote:

A local scope shop is taking pre orders for June delivery with a cost of 3,913$

At this price it should put the cge pro out of business assuming it works.. I would post a link but I'm not sure it's allowed.

While I want an ap mount or paramount. This is much more in my price range as a final observatory mount to use for decades...




I agree that if this mount works out (and based on Meade's recent experience I think that it would be prudent to wait and see) it will be very disruptive to the middle to high end market and very likely deadly to the CGE PRO, Losmandy G11 and the like. It would be nice if market competition moved all mounts of this caliber to have encoders on both axis... But as I said above, I will wait until a good number of these are in users hands before making any judgement.

It also makes me wonder if there is a CGE PRO2 in the works.


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rmollise
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: wz2]
      #5787576 - 04/09/13 08:36 AM

Quote:



Reviews
Word of mouth
Personal use
Other forums
User groups

I'm totally unfamiliar with the EQ line and haven't been able to find much on them. Just thought someone might know a little more than me and would be willing to share.

Chris




The mount has not been released yet. Soooo...that kinda cuts back on those things as sources of information...


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sage


Reged: 08/31/11

Loc: Houston, Texas, USA
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: rmollise]
      #5787644 - 04/09/13 09:15 AM

Quote:

Quote:



Reviews
Word of mouth
Personal use
Other forums
User groups

I'm totally unfamiliar with the EQ line and haven't been able to find much on them. Just thought someone might know a little more than me and would be willing to share.

Chris




The mount has not been released yet. Soooo...that kinda cuts back on those things as sources of information...




I think the question was about the EQ line in general...


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Starhawk
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: wz2]
      #5787661 - 04/09/13 09:24 AM

Ummm, do you know what the phrase "Pre order" means in the context of this thread's title?

Hint: it involves no one owning one or having had a chance to use one, yet.

-Rich

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

What's the PE like on the EQ mounts? They don't seem to provide a spec.

Thanks, Chris




How could any of us possibly answer that?




Reviews
Word of mouth
Personal use
Other forums
User groups

I'm totally unfamiliar with the EQ line and haven't been able to find much on them. Just thought someone might know a little more than me and would be willing to share.

Chris




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corpusse
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Reged: 04/11/10

Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: ASTERON]
      #5787677 - 04/09/13 09:32 AM

Quote:

Even if it costs $2500, would you pre-order a mount for which there are no guaranteed performance specifications ?
You might end with a PE of +-5 arcminutes
A Decent and respectable manufacturer should not offer pre-order sales of a product, when there are no minimally guaranteed performance specs.




If it costs $2500 to not know and almost 4k to know, yes I'd be willing to take the chance, if it doesn't work at that price I could still pawn it off to a visual user with a big refractor or even C14.

It would be nice if the mount is tested before it's sold. I'm not 100% buying one and gambling but I am seriously considering it.


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KD58
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5787704 - 04/09/13 09:48 AM

This may be a totally idiotic question, but is it easy to order equipment from Canada and have it serviced locally or would that require shipping back to Canada. Is Orion likely to market the equivalent in the USA soon? I know there is no official word but if anyone has heard of any rumours?

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jonbosley
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Reged: 10/19/05

Loc: Texas
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: KD58]
      #5787826 - 04/09/13 11:04 AM

Here is some details on the EQ8 from a vendor.

Details

SkyWatcher EQ8 Telescope Mount EQ7 NEQ8

50 Kg load bearing
R.A Worm Gear D=219.5mm with 435 teeth
DEC Worm Gear D=219.5mm with 435 teeth
Counterweigh shaft 31.5mm
Latitude adjustable from 15 to 65 degrees
Polar Scope - **optional **YES
Polar alignment - Polar scope or software adjustment
SynScan Hand Control with over 42000 object
Dual or Singl Axis tracking modes
Tracking Options: Sidereal, Lunar, Solar and PEC+sidereal
PEC Included
Dual Encode Control Included
Motors 12V stepper
Tracking Accuracy = 0.1164 arc seconds
Power Requirement 12VDC

Dual Encoder Design

With the patented dual encoder design, you may move the telescope to any position manually or electronically without deactivating the tracking mode first. After moving to a new object the telescope will automatically begin to track the new object accurately. No re-setup is required in one observing session.

Motors

The EQ8 utilises 0.9 degree per step bipolar stepper motors to get high resolution. It uses stepper motors without without reduction gear to drive worm shaft directly so to remove the periodic error caused by reduction gear.

Computer Operation

Couple this solidly-built mount with the included SynScan computer controller to utilise many of the same functions and feature as SkyWatcher's most advanced SynScan Mounts. It can also be controlled by SynScan Tour.

PPEC

Permanent Periodic Error Correction (PEC) - corrects for periodic tracking errors inherent to all worm drives.


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corpusse
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Reged: 04/11/10

Loc: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: jonbosley]
      #5789804 - 04/10/13 09:00 AM

If anyone wants to take advantage of the $3289 price it will apparently be in effect until the end of april. I'm currently mulling it over.

I have a CGE this might or might not be a huge step up from that mount. However I do have 2 completely different locations and I don't move mounts back and forth. That one only has a CGEM. This assuming it works out of the box certainly is a step up.

I could continue to use the CGEM for say 3 years, then look into a higher end mount, or get this and not look back. Tough choice.


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rmollise
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: end]
      #5789826 - 04/10/13 09:13 AM

Quote:


I think the question was about the EQ line in general...




If it was, he didn't make that clear, and that doesn't have much bearing on the EQ-8, anyway, which, if anything is more similar to a cotton picking CGE Pro than an EQ-6...


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EFT
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Reged: 05/07/07

Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: Hilmi]
      #5789966 - 04/10/13 10:41 AM

Quote:

I understand where you are coming from, I do remember though that on one of the YouTube videos about the mounts, they where indirectly hinting that the mount would perform along the same lines as an astrophysics mount.

They have a very big worm wheel on the mount, which to my understanding reduces the effect of the PE from the worm gear.

All this is speculation, I am not prepared to stand by my statement, so make your pre-order purchase decisions at your own risk.




Hilmi,

Everyone hints that there performance will be like and AP mount (seems to be the standard these days), but there are plenty of examples of mass-produced mounts that don't meet that standard. I would not expect this to be the exception unless they have gone to the length of using similar design and manufacturing techniques as those used for the AP (which they haven't). Remember that this is the company that makes the Celestron, Orion and SkyWatcher mounts.


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EFT
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5789980 - 04/10/13 10:45 AM

Quote:

If it costs $2500 to not know and almost 4k to know, yes I'd be willing to take the chance, if it doesn't work at that price I could still pawn it off to a visual user with a big refractor or even C14.

It would be nice if the mount is tested before it's sold. I'm not 100% buying one and gambling but I am seriously considering it.




Don't forget that people thought the same thing about the LX80 and LX800. Look where that got them. Someone has to trust the manufacturer and get the ball rolling, but there seems to be a fair amount of risk in that these days. However, Synta's rollouts have been pretty good lately.


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ASTERON
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: EFT]
      #5789984 - 04/10/13 10:47 AM

While this mount may be a very nice mount, I reccommend a healthy dose of skepticism and caution until a few tenths of mounts are bought and tested.
I must say it's quite tempting Though.


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EFT
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: KD58]
      #5789992 - 04/10/13 10:49 AM

Quote:

This may be a totally idiotic question, but is it easy to order equipment from Canada and have it serviced locally or would that require shipping back to Canada. Is Orion likely to market the equivalent in the USA soon? I know there is no official word but if anyone has heard of any rumours?




Not an idiotic question at all. SkyWatcher mounts can't be serviced here in the US because no one sells them here. That could be a problem. If recent history is any measure, there will be an Orion version before too long and I would wait for that. One problem that requires you to send the mount back over the boarder for repair would make sure that you never made the mistake of buying from outside the US again. The shipping and boarder charges (even without customs which they will try to charge anyways) are outrageous.


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EFT
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: jonbosley]
      #5790000 - 04/10/13 10:51 AM

The specifications look good, but its the implementation that counts.

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Pat at home
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: EFT]
      #5790377 - 04/10/13 01:45 PM

Just to go against the grain:

If I was looking for a permanent mount with that capacity I'd pre-order that no worries. If it didn't work I'd just send it back. Based on my experiences with SkyWatcher mounts, EQ6-Pro being one, I would not expect any serious deal breaking problems with this one. Sure, this is not in the same league as the seriously expensive other options but for the price I'd give it a go. Might there be some early teething problems? Maybe, but I don't believe they'd be insurmountable, after all, every SW product I've owned delivered what they claimed. And it's not like they are re-inventing the wheel here, SW, in my opinion, have a pretty decent reputation with their EQ6 and EQ5 lines and their SynScan controller. They offer decent kit at an affordable price for us working slobs. As far as after sales support goes, that depends on the dealer. Some are good, some not so much.

My unsolicited 2 cent opinion.


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tjugo
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: Pat at home]
      #5790519 - 04/10/13 03:05 PM

Nice! Lets see how it performs and how much orion is planing to ask for it. If it performs like a CGE I am in. Just the idea of driving this sort of mount with EQMOD is very appealing.

Cheers,

Jose


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jonbosley
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: tjugo]
      #5790655 - 04/10/13 04:20 PM

Looks to me like that early discount is a beta tester discount. Good luck with that, let me know how it works out.

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panhard
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: jonbosley]
      #5790717 - 04/10/13 04:59 PM

Quote:

A local scope shop is taking pre orders for June delivery with a cost of 3,913$


Who is the local scope shop?

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Tandum
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: panhard]
      #5792225 - 04/11/13 12:06 PM

I got a deposit down over here and expect it next month.
Price here equals about $4450 Canadian.
I also found a price in Germany for 3500 Euros.
And I found some PEC charts from that German dealer, they already have at least one.


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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: corpusse]
      #5792273 - 04/11/13 12:31 PM

Quote:

If anyone wants to take advantage of the $3289 price it will apparently be in effect until the end of april. I'm currently mulling it over.

I have a CGE this might or might not be a huge step up from that mount. However I do have 2 completely different locations and I don't move mounts back and forth. That one only has a CGEM. This assuming it works out of the box certainly is a step up.

I could continue to use the CGEM for say 3 years, then look into a higher end mount, or get this and not look back. Tough choice.




Stop the wild goose chase and PLEASE post the link/vendor where you get it for $3289! As far as I know this deal does not exist. I can't find it anywhere in Canada!

All I can find is the $3913 price tag a Khan Scope.

Guylain


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guyroch
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: guyroch]
      #5792525 - 04/11/13 02:36 PM

I wonder if it will work with EQMOD?

Guylain


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gavinm
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: guyroch]
      #5792687 - 04/11/13 04:08 PM

Looks like we're getting ripped off

http://langwoodsphotography.com/eshop/Skywatcher-EQ8-Mount.html


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martl
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: Tandum]
      #5792880 - 04/11/13 05:06 PM

The dealer is in Austria, there are some explanations to the measurements also in english (scroll down a few posts) http://www.astronomieforum.at/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=6145

CS
Martin


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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: martl]
      #5793616 - 04/12/13 12:19 AM

Here's a recent preview of the EQ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd95pnNOMcQ
If I were in the market for a mount of this capacity, I would gladly beta test this one for the price $3289.00. Look at the features! 200mm gears, dual encoders, 50kg visual capacity, 35kg imaging capacity etc. He had mentioned new software in the video, I'm not sure it will work with EQmod, time will tell. At any rate, it will probably be a great visual platform for the larger scopes.
Guylain, the 3289.00 is offered here http://www.lirelanature.com/modules.php?name=ProductList&op=BrowseItem&am...

Faron


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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: FaronD]
      #5793661 - 04/12/13 01:03 AM

Looks very promising when is the official product rollout up there?

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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: CounterWeight]
      #5855405 - 05/12/13 12:35 PM

On the topic of release. I got an email forwarded to me by my retailer from skywatcher. The email was a notification that the delivery is now August 2013 rather than the projected June 2013. I was really hopping to get some imaging done with this mount this summer!

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corpusse
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Re: Eq8 is under 4k in Canada pre order new [Re: lafo0100]
      #5884534 - 05/25/13 06:59 PM

Somehow I think this mount is still a ways away. I attended astrocats today where they had advertised the eq8 unveiling but it was just the same prototype mount that had been in europe. You would think if it was really coming in august they'd be further along then this.

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