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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc
      #5865786 - 05/16/13 08:24 PM

Hi All.

Well it's time to upgrade the ole CGE-Pro. I need more capacity. The Pro was a true performer especially with add-ons such as the TDM and aeroquest/hypertune service.

I'm looking at either the AP1600, SB MEII, 10Micron CM3000HPS (coming out soon). The Planewave 200HR mount is also interesting. A Chronos HD32 would be freaking awesome but at 50 grand, that's more than double my budget.

Around a 200+ pound capacity is what I am looking for.

I'm possibly looking at getting the encoders with the mount. Having a TDM on the Pro really spoiled me.

Any and all opinions are welcomed. Pro's, con's, like's, dislike's, love, hate. It does not matter. I am in an equal opportunity kind of mood for any and all opinions.

If I get 50 replies, I'll probably get 50 different opinions but one of those opinions might sway me.

The mount will be observatory kept with a PC connected full time.

Does anyone have experience with the 10 micron mounts?

Thanks!


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Joe C
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Reged: 11/29/08

Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5865839 - 05/16/13 08:49 PM

If it were my choice, there would be no contest. I would opt for the AP1600. The after purchase support along with machining is second to none. AP is a ZERO compromise manufacturer. You can get support not only web based but on the phone if you want or ever need it.

Another point is that AP holds their value better than any other. Not that you would need to sell it. Everything from Roland is a lifetime piece of art.


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sage


Reged: 08/31/11

Loc: Houston, Texas, USA
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Joe C]
      #5865901 - 05/16/13 09:22 PM

I guess part of the answer depends what you are going to put on it. I'm curious what will push you up beyond 90lbs and approaching 200.

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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: end]
      #5865944 - 05/16/13 09:45 PM

HI End. My current side by side setup is 84 lbs with all gear minus the side-by side bar and cable weight.

Future expansion to an HD14 and possible Planewave will require the larger mount.


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jamesprovi
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Reged: 09/20/08

Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5865998 - 05/16/13 10:18 PM

I have used the SB ME and AP1200 and both are excellent mounts (great guiding performance, robust software). I am still using the AP1200 mount (preferred the portability benefits) and agree that the support from AP is excellent. The mount has been running flawlessly since 2008 and has carried 100+ payloads easily. The Paramount ME has some advantages if you plan to operate the mount at a remote site. If you are looking for 200+ capacity, I would also recommend AP1600 or the new Paramount. I should point out that if your needs are closer to 150 ib payloads, there are excellent deals on ASTROMART for Paramount ME and AP1200 mounts.

James


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David PavlichAdministrator
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Reged: 05/18/05

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5866005 - 05/16/13 10:23 PM

Just to add grist for the mill:

Parallax.

Mathis Instruments.

And Mathis Instruments offers an equatorial fork...no meridian flip! Can't say that there's not enough choices!

David


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #5866059 - 05/16/13 10:46 PM

Thanks for the links David. I'm checking them out.

I am not set on a brand yet.


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crow
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Reged: 07/09/12

Loc: BC, Canada
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5866858 - 05/17/13 10:55 AM

For me its simple, if you live in North America you go AP, if you live in Europe then its 10 micron. Both top of the line manufacturers but support is naturally better in home markets. If the 10 micron is so new that its not on sale yet then I'd give it a miss. I know they had a few gremlins with the 1000hps initially which they have ironed out and its now a fantastic mount. If your goal is a C14 Edge why not the new AP 1100, save some money?
I'm mountless at the mo and don't know what the hell to get, trying to figure future use into a purchase is a thinker....


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orlyandico
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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: crow]
      #5867289 - 05/17/13 02:21 PM

AP1600 without encoders at the introductory price is sweet.

Dave, I'm a bit bemused by your situation because you are always saying your CGE Pro will blow away any AP or SB or...


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5867658 - 05/17/13 04:45 PM

Not at 150lb. Weight!

A cge pro cannot be compared to a me2. Ap1600, 10micron 3000, etc.


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wolfman_4_ever
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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5867661 - 05/17/13 04:47 PM

What I heard is that Deep Space Products will be providing sales, service and support in the US for 10Micron mounts in the very near future.

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crow
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Reged: 07/09/12

Loc: BC, Canada
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5868022 - 05/17/13 07:47 PM

If thats the case thats good news.

Didn't notice your mega weight requirement. AP1600, encoders etc, how can you go wrong?


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WesC
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Reged: 02/06/13

Loc: La Crescenta, CA
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: crow]
      #5868744 - 05/18/13 04:11 AM

That would be good news, the 10Micron mounts look impressive. This won't be an easy choice.

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turtledude1
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Reged: 10/08/08

Loc: SW Fla.& SW. NM
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: WesC]
      #5868896 - 05/18/13 07:43 AM

If your budjet is in the 25K area then why the AP 1600? I'd go all the way with the AP 3600 that covers you up to 300 pounds.

Russ


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korborh
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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: turtledude1]
      #5869069 - 05/18/13 10:04 AM

AP 1600 with encoders.

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Aquarist
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Reged: 08/27/12

Loc: Illinois
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: Joe C]
      #5869595 - 05/18/13 03:37 PM

Quote:

If it were my choice, there would be no contest. I would opt for the AP1600. The after purchase support along with machining is second to none. AP is a ZERO compromise manufacturer. You can get support not only web based but on the phone if you want or ever need it.

Another point is that AP holds their value better than any other. Not that you would need to sell it. Everything from Roland is a lifetime piece of art.




I agree which is why I ordered one. Within your budget even with encoders too. And definitely can easily handle your weight requirement at 220 lbs capacity. I have the AP recommended permanent ATS pier in my observatory; it can even be colored Astro-physics white!


Edited by Aquarist (05/18/13 03:47 PM)


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David PavlichAdministrator
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Reged: 05/18/05

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5869748 - 05/18/13 05:11 PM

You mentioned the Planewave mount. I talked to the designer/builder at the AIC in San Jose a couple years ago. That mount is a work of art as well. The machining is exquisite and the design is very well thought out. AND it is available with precision encoders.

David


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: orlyandico]
      #5870034 - 05/18/13 08:01 PM

Quote:


Dave, I'm a bit bemused by your situation because you are always saying your CGE Pro will blow away any AP or SB or...




What I know now.. reading the Beta Tester Site, talking with the engineer (you know who), I would never ever buy a Celestron mount again. This is nothing against the pro, or the CG5 I own, it's just the back and forth BS Celestron does. The Pro started out with an advertised +/-7 PE. Then it was changed to +/-3. Now it's up to +/-5. (I guess whatever batch comes out of china at the time, they will change the PE numbers to match?) They just make stuff up as they go.. It's pathetic. If you do get a new mount that's PE is over the advertised PE, the techno mumbo jumbo that is feed to the end user is total fabrication. I love the "typical unguided PE" line they use in the advertising now. Nice out clause right there.

I also noticed on the beta site, celestron is allowing the users to make there own repairs on still under warranty mounts. Voided Warranty? Something just doesn't pass the smell test... If they can't fix the dec issue, all those "beta" testers are out of luck for warranty repair.


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blueman
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Reged: 07/20/07

Loc: California
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5870220 - 05/18/13 08:58 PM

You cannot go wrong with AP, they are good people making good mounts and they will help you out personally anytime. They will sell you a part if you need it and you talk with a real person when you call, maybe even Roland.
The quality, price, performance and support is top notch.
Blueman


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Calypte
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Reged: 03/20/07

Loc: Anza, California
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: blueman]
      #5870541 - 05/19/13 12:04 AM

It's AP all the way for me. No contest, and for all the reasons given in the other pro-AP posts.

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