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hungerford
sage


Reged: 08/23/08

Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Calypte]
      #5870659 - 05/19/13 02:13 AM

Hi,
I use the Mesu 200 and I am other the moon with the quality and the accuracy of the mount. Maybe it is not available in the US but it is manufactured in the Netherlands.
Vince


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orlyandico
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Reged: 08/10/09

Loc: Singapore
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Calypte]
      #5871294 - 05/19/13 12:36 PM

Well as an AP user.... you know what I'll say.

IMHO the AP mounts are among the best bang for the buck mounts you can get. Really! compare them to say a Tak mount of comparable capacity.

The AP3600 is damn cheap! compared to the similar-capacity EM-3500.

And I can personally attest to AP's first-rate tech support. I'm not even in the US and I never call them. I was able to buy (new!) parts for my circa-1997 AP600 QMD mount. Very reasonable prices too (*cough* Celestron $130 motors *cough*).


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korborh
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Reged: 01/29/11

Loc: Arizona
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5871784 - 05/19/13 03:41 PM

AP support is just phenomenal. I experienced it for my mount and was just amazed at the extent they go for the customer.
You can get fast and direct support on phone from their mount experts. They will stay on the phone as long as it takes to get your issue resolved and questions answered. Their support is second to none.


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Per Frejvall
sage


Reged: 09/28/12

Loc: Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: korborh]
      #5875206 - 05/21/13 06:35 AM

And I'm a 10Micron guy

In fact, I got myself two of them and love them. One hour unguided without PC dependency.

/per


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coz
sage


Reged: 08/25/10

Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Per Frejvall]
      #5877461 - 05/22/13 07:24 AM

Check out this video for an AP tour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBMBqoh9WI4

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Per Frejvall
sage


Reged: 09/28/12

Loc: Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: coz]
      #5881503 - 05/24/13 01:24 AM

That looks nice!

My only concern is wether the results of the runs with the aid of a computer will be usable without one. Does the comet tracking require the PC or can it be done with the mount alone? Same for utilizing the precision of the model and the tracking accuracy. Anyone know?

/per


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raf1
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Reged: 11/18/05

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: korborh]
      #5881764 - 05/24/13 08:40 AM

Quote:

AP 1600 with encoders.




+1


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coz
sage


Reged: 08/25/10

Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Per Frejvall]
      #5881781 - 05/24/13 08:50 AM

Quote:

That looks nice!

My only concern is wether the results of the runs with the aid of a computer will be usable without one. Does the comet tracking require the PC or can it be done with the mount alone? Same for utilizing the precision of the model and the tracking accuracy. Anyone know?

/per




Hi, I think all of those will require APCC which is on the PC.


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WesC
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Reged: 02/06/13

Loc: La Crescenta, CA
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: korborh]
      #5882459 - 05/24/13 02:36 PM

Quote:

AP 1600 with encoders.




Well, since we're all spending his money...

I'll agree with this suggestion!


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Per Frejvall
sage


Reged: 09/28/12

Loc: Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: coz]
      #5882537 - 05/24/13 03:23 PM

Quote:



Hi, I think all of those will require APCC which is on the PC.




I was afraid of that. An ASA mount can't even find it's own motors, much less make any use of them, if not connected to the PC. Now AP is taking the same route? That is sad. AP mounts are really good, but the tracking models need to be in-mount and the mount should perform to its fullest without a pc.

That, of course, is my opinion. One can argue about the signifficance of this since you are probably imaging with a pc anyway, but I still feel that the mount should be autonomous in its base functions.

Why can't the firmware run the comet or ISS tracking? It is a simple thing to implement, as some mount makers have realized and done.

/per


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orlyandico
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Reged: 08/10/09

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Per Frejvall]
      #5883292 - 05/24/13 11:37 PM

I think 10micron is the only mount that can do the long exposure corrected unguided without a PC...

Because it IS A PC! (Well a Linux PC).

The AP mount controller is a basic affair that only does single star alignment. So I don't expect 10micron like behaviour from it anytime soon.


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blueman
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Reged: 07/20/07

Loc: California
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5883373 - 05/25/13 12:43 AM

If you are imaging, you will have to have a computer anyway. That means that AP or other mounts that require one for some reason or another.
So if you are imaging, you have the computer resources that are required for the mount.
I cannot imagine why you would require a high end mount unless you are imaging.
Blueman
Blueman


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orlyandico
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Reged: 08/10/09

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: blueman]
      #5883442 - 05/25/13 03:03 AM

blueman, this all goes back to the "AP vs SB" question.

Many in the AP camp say "but the SB won't even work without a computer!" while the AP works fine without a PC.

Now it's "the AP can't do 20-minute unguided without a PC and APCC! but the 10Micron can!" (of course the SB can as well with ProTrack, but it has always required a PC)


BTW: forgot about this until reminded.. it's worth mentioning that the 10Micron GM1000HPS is the cheapest mount you can get with absolute encoders. The encoders are not an option, they are built into the mount.

The downside (for me) of the GM1000HPS is that, for similar capacity to a Mach1, it weighs more (don't know if it costs more).

But it seems Dave has a huge setup, so weight would not be an issue for him, so I suspect 10Micron would be a viable alternative.


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5883456 - 05/25/13 03:34 AM

A pc will be running.

It would be nice if they ditch the hc, or keep it, and have full tablet control.

Anyone know the price of apcc pro? Standard looks to be $250.

Im leaning towards the ap1600 or 10micron 3000. If i did the 1600, i would let ap install and test it. 10micron/dsp needs to hurry up with their US release.


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Aircrftr
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Reged: 09/29/06

Loc: Claremore OK
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: raf1]
      #5884609 - 05/25/13 07:49 PM

Quote:

Quote:

AP 1600 with encoders.




+1




WERD. + 2


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Per Frejvall
sage


Reged: 09/28/12

Loc: Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Aircrftr]
      #5885113 - 05/26/13 04:38 AM

AP may very well get all this very right, no doubt about that, but if computer dependency gets into ASA territory then I am seriously worried.

Yes, the 10Micron box contains a small PC which runs a trimmed dwon version of Linux, but you really cannot compare a firmware-based solution to a full desktop operating system, especially in terms of stability. The PC has software from tons of companies while the firmware is truly downsized and tested as a whole and will never see anything it hasn't been tested with.


Just a final note on the PC or no PC required for "full fledged" operation... If you move the mout or control it from several different PCs, it becomes a hassle if the pointing and stuff is not in the mount itself.

Orlyandico, you are right. It is the only mount that does it self-contained and it is a mount that has absolute encoders and NEVER needs to home.

Wolfman, what's with the "GM3000"? Any info?

/per


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Nodinute
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Reged: 06/05/07

Loc: 49¬į21'N / 6¬į10′E
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: wolfman_4_ever]
      #5885121 - 05/26/13 04:52 AM Attachment (16 downloads)

Hi,
and what about a Direct Drive mount such as this one : Skyvision Nova 120 ?
No worm wheel & gear (no PE), high res encoders, payload of 260 lb, ideal for remote use...seen it during an astro show, really impressive mount.

Edited by Nodinute (05/26/13 11:13 AM)


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orlyandico
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Reged: 08/10/09

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Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: Nodinute]
      #5885195 - 05/26/13 07:27 AM

Why do you say that Skyvision has no need for encoders?

It has encoders.


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Nodinute
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Reged: 06/05/07

Loc: 49¬į21'N / 6¬į10′E
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc new [Re: orlyandico]
      #5885398 - 05/26/13 11:11 AM

Ooops...yes of course it has encoders, and very high res encoders...I must be drunk No need for worm wheel & gear
Thks.


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wolfman_4_ever
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Reged: 07/15/11

Loc: El Segundo, Ca, So. Cal
Re: Mount Upgrade Time! AP, SB, 10Micron, etc [Re: orlyandico]
      #5886983 - 05/27/13 12:08 PM

Quote:

AP1600 without encoders at the introductory price is sweet.





Are you saying the $11,700 is the intro price and is going to go up or that the price is cheaper somewhere else?


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