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Mkofski
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LX80 problems to be addressed
      #5880717 - 05/23/13 04:47 PM

I don't know much and can't say much but I've been been told that the problems reported here on CN will be addressed. How and when are still unanswered questions but they will be addressed.

Here in part is what I was told: "Mike, it is okay to let CN users know that the mount problems are being addressed, and I would encourage those users experiencing problems to pass them on to you."

I've been asked to send the "Letter to Meade" and to include any other users that have specific problems. So if you have an LX80 and have a specific issue, PM me and I'll add you to the letter/email that I send.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5880746 - 05/23/13 04:58 PM

Hmm. Might be good news for us unpaid "beta" testers. Hopefully a fix for the spring loaded worm gear will be tops on the list. Thanks Mike.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5880763 - 05/23/13 05:05 PM

Mike,
I sent you a PM,
Thanks,


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5880764 - 05/23/13 05:05 PM

If your source is reliable, that sounds like great news!

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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: WadeH237]
      #5880814 - 05/23/13 05:34 PM

Quote:

If your source is reliable, that sounds like great news!




Very reliable.


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5880821 - 05/23/13 05:37 PM

Quote:

Hmm. Might be good news for us unpaid "beta" testers. Hopefully a fix for the spring loaded worm gear will be tops on the list. Thanks Mike.




Jim,

The impression I got was that there are going to be a lot of changes. I wouldn't expect to get a free new mount or any payment for out Beta testing. How any changes get out to current uses is still a decision to be made down the road a bit.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5880835 - 05/23/13 05:44 PM

How about that!

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: herrointment]
      #5881096 - 05/23/13 08:52 PM

Will Meade ever regain trust in this mount, even after any fixes?

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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Goodchild]
      #5881149 - 05/23/13 09:23 PM

Quote:

Will Meade ever regain trust in this mount, even after any fixes?




Royce,

I don't see why not. It will take some time but its doable. The LX800 was a bigger disaster but that seems to have been resolved and the current users appear happy. Haven't heard ANY negatives about the LX850 from people actually using them now. I'm sure the LX850 is important to Meade but I was told today that the LX80 is their bread and butter.

Once the problems are resolved who wouldn't want a good mount for less than half the price of a competitive produce that has similar features. I'm sure that there are individuals out there that won't ever buy a Meade mount now no matter what - but they would have to be in the minority.

Keep in mind that Meade should be a much different company in the not too distant future!


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JimMo
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5881227 - 05/23/13 10:12 PM

A good business model is to take care of the customers you already have. I'm in the market for a new scope to mount on the LX80. If they come through with some fixes, especially the worm spring to stop the bouncing so it can handle more weight, that new telescope will probably be a Meade SCT.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5881274 - 05/23/13 10:43 PM

Hello Mike...

This is most excellant news.
And you are a very BIG part of it.
Well done.


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Mkofski
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: dmdouglass]
      #5881347 - 05/23/13 11:25 PM

Thanks David, but any changes that are coming to the LX80 are because of everyone and the fact that these threads are being monitored.

Mike


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5881355 - 05/23/13 11:29 PM

Quote:

Thanks David, but any changes that are coming to the LX80 are because of everyone and the fact that these threads are being monitored.

Mike




Or could it be that there are so many problems with it? As has been said it might now become the LX-85. And with a new price. That is if it is not completely eliminated. New owners just might want to go in a different direction.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: greju]
      #5881371 - 05/23/13 11:41 PM

This sounds like good information to me I will watch see!
As it may be several months before I purchase new
scope and mount!


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: greju]
      #5881384 - 05/23/13 11:48 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Thanks David, but any changes that are coming to the LX80 are because of everyone and the fact that these threads are being monitored.

Mike




Or could it be that there are so many problems with it? As has been said it might now become the LX-85. And with a new price. That is if it is not completely eliminated. New owners just might want to go in a different direction.




I think that any changes to the mount that we see are because it needs it and there are people watching what goes on here. An LX85? Wouldn't surprise me. Free to all current users? I guess that would surprise me.

All I know now is that design changes have already started. It will probably be several weeks before we see anything definite.

If I were in the market today for a combo mount like the LX80 and could wait a few months, the LX80/85 would still be on my watch list. With the nearest competitor being over 2X the price of this mount it could very well be worth the wait.

Meade has mine for repairs now. I'm ancious to see if anything seems different when it returns. Maybe I broke mine a few weeks too early!

Edited by Mkofski (05/23/13 11:56 PM)


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5881411 - 05/24/13 12:12 AM

Mike, just saw your post. My new mount is on its way back and I should have it Monday . I have no idea if it has any new improvements. Did they verify if improvements have been made or when they will be made? Anyhow, congrats to us all, I believe we may have made a difference and Meade is listening. They will continue to have my business if they make this right.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5881424 - 05/24/13 12:22 AM

Quote:

Mike, just saw your post. My new mount is on its way back and I should have it Monday . I have no idea if it has any new improvements. Did they verify if improvements have been made or when they will be made? Anyhow, congrats to us all, I believe we may have made a difference and Meade is listening. They will continue to have my business if they make this right.




I don't really know much for sure. I was told that "Design changes are going on now". Still, I'd be surprised if there were any significant changes yet but who knows? Short of taking it apart (I was tempted before I sent mine back) I don't know how we would tell for sure.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5882067 - 05/24/13 11:34 AM

Mike, The LX80 does not autoguide in Polar mode, at least mine doesn't. So, please add that item to your list of LX80 issues to be addressed.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: dksolar3294]
      #5882220 - 05/24/13 12:37 PM

Is it fair to say the issues requiring a fix include:
1. Spring loaded worm gear
2. Plastic gears to metal
3. Tripod Head redesign for improved robustness
4. Autoguiding capability

Anyone care to embellish on this list? Mike can we continue on this vein? Feel free to add delete or expand on the items. Thoughts?


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: dksolar3294]
      #5882602 - 05/24/13 03:57 PM

"Mike, The LX80 does not autoguide in Polar mode, at least mine doesn't."

This still intrigues me, as i can get the firmware to work with the old and new APM909 lumps, as well as serial controls, and it does respect the commands.
( I am using LX90 motor cards on a test bench tho. )
That said, if you are not polar one star ( or have PEC ON ), DEC guiding in Polar can be "woofy" with A3S4 firmware
as it behaves rather oddly now.

Andrew Johansen Melbourne Australia


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5882806 - 05/24/13 05:59 PM

Mike,

My hat's off to you for hanging in there and pushing for the right things to happen.

Bravo to the whole crew of folks who came together to document the LX80's performance and technical capabilities; getting a meaningful resolution will be because of this effort.

-Rich


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Starhawk]
      #5883247 - 05/24/13 10:57 PM

As one that has gone through 5 months of phone exchanges with Meade and troubles with the LX80, in spite of their new takeover, I believe in Meade's desire to make customers happy and those working for them, China, Mexico and San Diego, I do wish them well.
I am happy with the LX80 now, so hats off and time will tell.
My regards,
Jim


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: highertheflyer]
      #5892254 - 05/30/13 12:00 PM

Of all the LX80 owners, I'm guessing only a small fraction monitor CN and this thread in particular. Therefore, it's likely the majority of LX80 owners are completely unaware of Meade's forthcoming management changes and a possible fix for the LX80. In fairness to all LX80 owners, it would seem proper for Meade to issue an LX80 recall notice and contact all owners who submitted the LX80 product registration form. Those early customers who in good faith pre-ordered an LX80 in Yr2011 and took delivery in Summer 2012 are rapidly approaching the end of their 1 yr warranty period. Therefore, it would further seem proper for Meade to issue the recall notice this summer before their 1 yr period expires, or at least, waive the warranty period for those first deliveries until the fix is implemented.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: dksolar3294]
      #5892492 - 05/30/13 01:46 PM

I called Meade yesterday as I didn't remember if I registered my mount. CS said your sales receipt is all you need for warranty work and they don't do warranty registration.. So, how could Meade contact us? I also asked if he knew anything about Meade addressing the mounts problems and it was like he had heard it for the first time. He could have been new, I guess, and not privy to any of that info.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: dksolar3294]
      #5892739 - 05/30/13 03:37 PM

Quote:

Of all the LX80 owners, I'm guessing only a small fraction monitor CN and this thread in particular. Therefore, it's likely the majority of LX80 owners are completely unaware of Meade's forthcoming management changes and a possible fix for the LX80. In fairness to all LX80 owners, it would seem proper for Meade to issue an LX80 recall notice and contact all owners who submitted the LX80 product registration form. Those early customers who in good faith pre-ordered an LX80 in Yr2011 and took delivery in Summer 2012 are rapidly approaching the end of their 1 yr warranty period. Therefore, it would further seem proper for Meade to issue the recall notice this summer before their 1 yr period expires, or at least, waive the warranty period for those first deliveries until the fix is implemented.




From what I've been told, how the current users will be taken care of hasn't been decided. It will probably be another 4 weeks or so before anything official is announced. Though I don't have any firm commitment from anyone yet, the impression I get is that something will be done and there are redesigns of several aspects of the LX80 that are currently underway... I think we just need to hang in there a little longer.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5892749 - 05/30/13 03:41 PM

Jim,

Not surprised that Carlos didn't know or couldn't discuss anything relating to changes/improvements in the works for the LX80. We won't see anything official for a few weeks.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5893113 - 05/30/13 07:40 PM

Quote:

I called Meade yesterday as I didn't remember if I registered my mount. CS said your sales receipt is all you need for warranty work and they don't do warranty registration....




Hmmm... I have a copy of my LX80 Product Registration that I mailed to Meade. The Registration Card came included with the mount's Owner's Manual.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5896704 - 06/01/13 08:19 PM

OK, this will probably make me look really dumb, but I have a lx80 and still can't get the firmware update to work for me. I have resorted to just using my lx80 for observing and really enjoy it. My question would be, does anyone know how I can find someone I can go to to get assistance with my issues. I say my issues for a reason, because I probably jumped to far ahead of my ability to figure the computer hook up part of this hobby. I know, doesn't seem to totally fit with this thread, but thought maybe it couldn't hurt to say something. Glad Meade is stepping up to take care of there issues because I have only owned Meade products and really like what I have seen so far. Want to expand my knowledge of this hobby, but don't know where to go next.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: shadowpdiggity]
      #5896875 - 06/01/13 10:15 PM

Quote:

OK, this will probably make me look really dumb, but I have a lx80 and still can't get the firmware update to work for me. I have resorted to just using my lx80 for observing and really enjoy it. My question would be, does anyone know how I can find someone I can go to to get assistance with my issues. I say my issues for a reason, because I probably jumped to far ahead of my ability to figure the computer hook up part of this hobby. I know, doesn't seem to totally fit with this thread, but thought maybe it couldn't hurt to say something. Glad Meade is stepping up to take care of there issues because I have only owned Meade products and really like what I have seen so far. Want to expand my knowledge of this hobby, but don't know where to go next.




Did you have trouble while trying to update the HC firmware? I had a problem while trying the update... The message was "don't turn off" but after a few hours, the mount/HC went dark. I talked to Meade customer support and they sent me a new HC. I think my firmware is up to date but am dreading the next update. Call Meade!

By the way, doesn't sound stupid to me!


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: shadowpdiggity]
      #5897121 - 06/02/13 12:48 AM

Quote:

OK, this will probably make me look really dumb, but I have a lx80 and still can't get the firmware update to work for me. I have resorted to just using my lx80 for observing and really enjoy it. My question would be, does anyone know how I can find someone I can go to to get assistance with my issues. I say my issues for a reason, because I probably jumped to far ahead of my ability to figure the computer hook up part of this hobby. I know, doesn't seem to totally fit with this thread, but thought maybe it couldn't hurt to say something. Glad Meade is stepping up to take care of there issues because I have only owned Meade products and really like what I have seen so far. Want to expand my knowledge of this hobby, but don't know where to go next.




Download StarPatch v1.9

http://www.stargps.ca/downloads.htm

I've heard that that Meade's Autostar Download Utility v6 has issues with the Audiostar hand controller. It seem to dowload the firmware for the regular Autostar.

With StarPatch, you will be able to upload Meade's latest version (BuildAUA3S4) much faster. Or you can download their patched version which fixes some bugs as well as added features (PatchAUA3S4v01).


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: ldesign1]
      #5897206 - 06/02/13 01:56 AM

Gday Shadow

Quote:

Download StarPatch v1.9




Agree 100%
Far faster and safer.

Quote:

I've heard that that Meade's Autostar Download Utility v6 has issues with the Audiostar hand controller.




Meades ASU should do the firmware OK, its main failure is in doing tours etc on the 497EP and Audiostars.

That said, still use StarPatch for the firmware.

Andrew Johansen Melbourne Australia


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5906221 - 06/06/13 02:59 PM

I received an email yesterday and it looks like it will be another 3 weeks or so before we know what will be done to improve the LX80.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5906527 - 06/06/13 05:55 PM

Nice they responded and here's hoping they look after the pioneers of this mount. After 3 mounts, I believe I now have one that works. Don't want to be over optimistic...

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5912901 - 06/10/13 11:57 AM

I have one that works well also. But, the springy RA slop bothers me and I am hoping that issue will be addressed with the improvements. But, it seems like that may be a significant fix considering it might require a new worm drive assmebly. If they do make that improvement I hope the new worm assemblies can be installed by the user without needing to ship the mount head. If there is a new-style worm assembly maybe it will have brass drive gears too!

Rob P.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Axle]
      #5913551 - 06/10/13 04:38 PM

I received my repaired mount back today from Meade. It came in about 2 weeks earlier than I had expected. Looks good on preliminary test. Hopefully I'll get some clear skies soon but that looks a bit iffy.

Mike


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5913743 - 06/10/13 06:32 PM

Just received an email and it looks as modifications to the LX80 won't be announced until late July. There is still a general commitment to making the mount better and the commitment comes from a reliable source... no details yet.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5915149 - 06/11/13 02:20 PM

That is really close to the expiration of the 1yr warranty period for those who took delivery first!!!

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5915580 - 06/11/13 06:05 PM

This all assumes that Meade will actually make it through the acquisition process by Jinghua.

From the Meade 10-K filing on May 30th:

"The Company's board of directors decided in January 2013 that the Company should consider its strategic alternatives to preserve and maximize shareholder value, which ultimately culminated in the signing on May 17, 2013 of the Agreement and Plan of Merger which, subject to shareholder approval, would allow for the outstanding shares of the Company to be purchased for $3.45 per share or approximately $4.5 million.

Due to the Company's declining revenues, recurring losses, limited liquidity and weakened financial position, the Company may not be able to operate long enough execute that planned transaction. Net sales during the three months ending May 31, 2013 are expected to be approximately $3 million, substantially below the net sales of approximately $3.8 million during the three months ended February 28, 2013 and net sales of approximately $4.2 million during the three months ended May 31, 2012. Due to the lower net sales levels the Company is encountering, the Company expects to incur substantial losses during the period through the close of the transaction.

In addition, the Company has limited and decreasing working capital and is finding it increasingly difficult to operate normally. The Company's net debt, which consists of the net balance owed on the Company's credit facility less cash, was $92 thousand at February 28, 2013 compared to $371 thousand at April 30, 2013.

In addition, as is common with public company transactions, a number of law firms are investigating the recently announced merger transaction and may choose to file a lawsuit against the Company in an effort to obtain financial dispensation from the Company. Such actions, or other factors, could cause further delays in the close of the planned transaction and/or result in additional costs. If such events occur, the Company may not have sufficient working capital to operate through the close of the planned transaction. If the Company is not able to obtain additional capital, it may be unable to execute the planned transaction and the Company may then have to file bankruptcy and cease operations."


Hopefully Meade can come up with some cash from somewhere to continue operations through the acquisition process - otherwise, it would really suck if they end up going bankrupt


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: gmartin02]
      #5915723 - 06/11/13 07:40 PM

I'm an optimist... won't have to wait long to find out how it's going to play out.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5916013 - 06/11/13 10:41 PM

I've the early ETXt60 EC the ETX 90 and the ETX 125, and for years nothing of a problem.
Yet I've worked with Meade as the LX80 I purchased for Christmas 2012 to flounder with my LX80 opening some days later.
Months have passed, yet troubles sent to Meade San Diego have given me hope for their return and for others, and a hope for everyone's satisfactions.
So wishing Meade well and survivig in our lifetime, I wish them to demonstrate their best, now for us.
Please keep this posting open for Carlos at Meade, and all, a safe return.
Sincerely,
Jim


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5916532 - 06/12/13 08:58 AM

Quote:

I'm an optimist... won't have to wait long to find out how it's going to play out.




Even in a complete Meade meltdown, "Meade" wouldn't go away. Someone, whether the current prospective buyer or somebody else, would buy the assets--the name, the designs, etc. And it really wouldn't make much difference to us. The Meade of today, afterall, doesn't have much to do with the Meade of 10 years ago or 20 years ago.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: rmollise]
      #5916544 - 06/12/13 09:07 AM

One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Stew57]
      #5916639 - 06/12/13 10:10 AM

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One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.




Well, sure, I would be wary about buying a product that would be orphaned...but I really don't think there's too much danger of that.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: rmollise]
      #5917326 - 06/12/13 04:44 PM

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Quote:

One can only hope so Unk. Problem I would not want to be left holding a brand new orphaned product. Of course the big 3 often "orphan" you as soon as the product exceeds it's warranty period anyway so it may not be any different. If the new management of Meade's properties fixes this problem it will be a huge boon to the consumer.




Well, sure, I would be wary about buying a product that would be orphaned...but I really don't think there's too much danger of that.




I totally agree there is not much of a danger being orphaned. However the fear of being orphaned and talk of it does hurt sales and can magnify problems. I have been very pleased with my Meade purchases, including the LX850, the UWA ep and PST recently. I would hate to see this negative chatter poorly impact Meade, their staff and and future products.

To help them bridge this gap I for one have decided to purchase a couple more products once I arrive at my destination - a couple of UWA Ep and a Meade Series 6000 APO - as a show of support.

I am very confident in Meade products and the support I have received. If folks can overcome their fears and go ahead and make their purchase Meade will be able to move forward smoothly in this process.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Spacetravelerx]
      #5917464 - 06/12/13 06:05 PM

I have been planning the purchase of a dual purpose EQ/AZ mount for outreach use with two scopes side by side. Have looked at the Skyeatcher, Orion Atlas and iOptron entries, all of which are close to twice the cost of the LX80. I have pretty well decided to wait for the Meade merger to proceed and track what they do to make the LX80 work . . . in 8 months or so we should know, and if by then it is clear that the new owners are serious about fixing the glitches in this most appealing mount -- even if they raise the price a bit -- it would be my first choice. So we shall see.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Spacetravelerx]
      #5917488 - 06/12/13 06:27 PM

Really, does the RCX-400 ring a bell?
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5978499 - 07/18/13 06:41 PM

Last night, I received an email from Russ Tanton with Explore Scientific. Looks like there is still some hope for ES to be in the running for a Meade takeover. Looks to me that this is the best bet for us to get issues with the LX80 resolved.

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It is not certain that we are out of the picture as the current deal still must pass muster via the FTC regarding antitrust laws. I have a good deal of information but most is confidential. One public piece that can be shared is that the CEO of Synta sat on the board of directors for Ningbo Sunny until Jan 2013. It is obvious that Sunny and Synta are tied closely…the FTC twice blocked a Meade and Celestron (now owned by Synta) merger fearing an anti competitive SCT market…just hope they are as diligent now as then.

I will keep in touch. If we do not get Meade, we will be manufacturing our own line of scopes and mounts.




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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5979491 - 07/19/13 09:57 AM

Thanks for the update, Mike, though I'm not holding my breath. Meade and who ever buys the company will have to bend over backwards to ever get me to consider another Meade product. I think my LX80 will eventually make a good boat anchor if it isn't "addressed" by the "new" Meade.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: JimMo]
      #5979736 - 07/19/13 12:16 PM

I think everyone will have to wait to see if Meade sells or files bankruptcy.

Either way, it is not certain what will happen with the products already sold.

One thing that many keep forgetting is that once out of warranty, it is no longer their responsibility. So if you do not get your warranty extended in writing, well I think you will be out of luck.
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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5980211 - 07/19/13 05:18 PM

Good point on the extended warranty. Did anyone receive a written extension for the time the mount was in Meades hands? Mine was there for at least 4 months. Mike, should we address this with your ES contact?

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5980270 - 07/19/13 05:58 PM

LX80 warranty: If you paid with a credit card many have a product protection plan the will usually double the warranty from 1-2 years.
Meade buyout and LX80.
I was at the OPT SCAE event last weekend and spoke with Meade reps about the LX80 issues.
Both said that until the buy-out is completed (50-60% chance as of now). The soonest will be Sept 2013. That is when a decision about the LX80 will be made,
ES/Joya or other buyer will have to be open to spending $$ to possibly fix a dead mount or come up with some type of credit for the current un-happy owners, again it's up to the new owners.
OPT said they are still selling a decent amount of LX80's.

Spoke with Scotty Roberts of ES and he said that the Meade buy-out is slowly moving along and he seemed optimistic it will happen.
Also he said that ES has some new products coming out over the next 6 months, 8" astrograph, some Dob's, 3" field flattner and a GOTO/GEM 40-50lb capacity mount.
Their 3" EP and diagonal are really huge. But really nice quality.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: brokenwave]
      #5980293 - 07/19/13 06:11 PM

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ES/Joya or other buyer will have to be open to spending $$ to possibly fix a dead mount or come up with some type of credit for the current un-happy owners, again it's up to the new owners.




It was certainly not something that ES could be held to but from the few talks I've had with Russ, if they do buy Meade, they are very interested in getting the LX80 issues resolved.

If OPT is selling a "decent number" of LX80s, other dealers must be doing the same. There must be a lot more happy users out there than unhappy ones. I'm happy with it for what I've used it for so are but now that I'm trying some AP I'm a bit less pleased.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: DuiA1]
      #5980602 - 07/19/13 10:35 PM

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Good point on the extended warranty. Did anyone receive a written extension for the time the mount was in Meades hands? Mine was there for at least 4 months. Mike, should we address this with your ES contact?




Dui,

I don't think we can address any of the issues until the dust settles. Shouldn't be too long now. Hopefully ES will come out on top... if not, I'm not sure where that puts us. Russ Tanton has been very approachable and seems to be interested in correcting issues with the mount.

I've only lost a month of use due to repairs... 4 months would be a much bigger deal! If ES prevails, I think having the warranty period extended to 18 months should be one of the things we ask for. Except for good (or bad) will, we don't really have any leverage.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5980731 - 07/20/13 12:14 AM

JOC is no longer in the picture.

Sunny Optics Inc., part of Ningbo Sunny Electronic Co. in Zhejiang, China. is the new purchaser.

http://www.ocbj.com/news/2013/jul/16/meade-agrees-sale-55m/

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980767 - 07/20/13 12:56 AM

Amazing how quick things change, hopefully they close this deal that keeps Meade an ongoing profitable company. Bring out some exciting new products and lastly do something on the LX80 front.

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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980769 - 07/20/13 12:57 AM

A Sunny takeover still has to be approved by the FTC. As of the 17th Russ Tanton, from ES, told me that ES/JOC was not completely out. I don't think we'll know for sure what is happening until it happens.

Edited by Mkofski (07/20/13 01:18 AM)


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: blueman]
      #5980775 - 07/20/13 01:01 AM

Amazing how quick things change, hopefully they close this deal which keeps Meade an on going profitable company. Bring out some exciting new products
and lastly do something on the LX80 front.
Since the new suiter loaned Meade the $250,000 termination fee Meade had to pay to JOC this deal has an excellent chance of closing.


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: OzAndrewJ]
      #5980776 - 07/20/13 01:02 AM Attachment (7 downloads)

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"Mike, The LX80 does not autoguide in Polar mode, at least mine doesn't."

This still intrigues me, as i can get the firmware to work with the old and new APM909 lumps, as well as serial controls, and it does respect the commands.
( I am using LX90 motor cards on a test bench tho. )
That said, if you are not polar one star ( or have PEC ON ), DEC guiding in Polar can be "woofy" with A3S4 firmware
as it behaves rather oddly now.

Andrew Johansen Melbourne Australia




Andrew,

I just started playing around with some 30 second unguided exposures. I'll get back to testing soon.

Mike

Edited by Mkofski (07/20/13 01:03 AM)


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Re: LX80 problems to be addressed new [Re: Mkofski]
      #5980822 - 07/20/13 02:33 AM

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A Sunny takeover still has to be approved by the FTC. As of the 17th Russ Tanton, from ES, told me that ES/JOC was not completely out. I don't think we'll know for sure what is happening until it happens.



As Brokenwave said, the $250,000 termination fee has been loaned to Meade to break the deal with JOC, I think that is pretty much telling the tale.
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