Cactii41
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Help.
I have been having 2 major issues with my brand new CPC 1100. You all here on CN are my last resort to turn to for help before I call the retailer who sold it to me and ship it back for a refund. One issue is minor (GPS not working) but the second issue is the major, more frustrating one , a dreaded "NO RESPONSE 16 (or sometimes "NO RESPONSE 17") error on my HC and I have no function after that.
MY CPC 1100 XLT scope was delivered Jan. 7, 2008 [edited]. First time I turned this scope on it displayed a saved location of Los Angeles CA and a date of December something 2006. Could this have been when it left Celestron's factory for it's final QC ? Over 1 year ago ?
It was delivered in the proper sealed, double box and in perfect, new condition with all the wrappings and inserts perfect. Believe it or not, after the initial 2 hour cooldown I gave it outside, it came up with a textbook perfect star test and I have not had to collimate it yet, evn though I have a set of Bob's Knobs standing by ready to be installed( I figure, if the optics are aligned, don't mess with it).
Anyhow, I have GPS turned "on" in UTILITIES MENU, even though the manual does not mention it, but my scope always comes up with GPS "OFF" by default in the UTILITIES menu. Is this normal or not ? I have never seen ANY indication that the GPS found my time and location. I am in a wide open yard and my hand held Garmin GPS works fine. THE CPC Manual (which is vague to say the least) says I should see a status "GPS LINKING" after I select SKY ALIGN. This has NEVER happened once since I got the scope, even after waiting the required 20 minutes that the side column states in the manual for a first fix to occur... I must always manually enter the time & date (on power up HC always indicates CPC READY and asks me to confirm by ENTER saved location (this is the location CITY and STATE, that I manually entered LAT and LONG coordinates from the first time I used the scope).
The second, and more disturbing issue, is when doing SKY ALIGN , scope HC will randomly display "NO RESPONSE 16" or "NO RESPONSE 17". Sometimes it will show this "NO RESPONSE 16" at random shortly after I power the scope on and even before I start slewing to any object and get a "CPC READY". Sometimes it let me complete a successful SKY ALIGN and then, suddenly, while slewing to a subject, it will give the dreaded error and just keep going past the target. I must then unplug HC, or jiggle the connector where the HC plugs in to the scope, or shut power off or press UNDO multiple times to get CPC READY status again. Sometimes it comes back, sometimes it does not. However, whenever it does come back to CPC READY state I must ALWAYS start SKY ALIGN once again from scratch. I have not had one good uninterrupted "1st light" session with this scope despite having it out 5 times since I got it. Whenever I get this error I must re-do SKY ALIGN. Very frustrating at this point and I am not a happy camper to say the least. I am using a brand new Celestron Power Tank 17, fully charged and also , with the stock CELESTRON cigarette lighter cable that came with the scope..This is getting very frustrating for a new $2800 telescope and I am ready to send back to the dealer] for a full refund unless I get this remedied sometime very soon. FIRMWARE versions NXS 4.12, MC 5.07.
P.S. I was at first going to purchase the CPC925 due to the incredible amount of "PROS" here on this board I see owning that scope as opposed to the 1100. However, I let the salesman at [the dealer] talk me into getting the 1100 for the extra $200 since, as he stated and I have come to learn, "APERTURE ALWAYS RULES". Well, I am now almost sorry I did not get the 925, even though I believe it is only 8 lbs. lighter, since the weight and heft of the 1100 has me cursing every time I go to set it up. I rarely see myself in the future lugging this beast into the field and instead plan on getting a good LPR filters (canyone recommend "the best" ?) and using it in my moderately light polluted backyard 20 miles west of downtown Phoenix. On a positive note, at least I did get a pretty good look at Saturn the other night with my 12T4 and 2X Powermate. That was after the ONLY successful SKYALIGN I did and after punching in SATURN it slewed right to the center of the EP.
At 467 power and filling up an estimated 25% of my FOV with only average seeing conditions that night, I was able to get a decent look and I clearly could make out the Cassini Division but little else in terms of detail (it was TOO bright and not enough contrast or detail), that incident almost made me fall off my chair and has ALMOST made me a believer in this scope.
I have been lurking here for the past month and made all my purchasing decisions as a first scope user based on the CN FORUMS. And I thank all of you for that. I spent a sizeable amount of money in this but my first inclination, as I do everything in life is to get a first class product. I think I did OK with my initial decision as to which optics to purchase ( I took advantage of [an] end of year sale so I stocked up on what I, and the salesman, felt, was a decent variety and selection of magnifications for this scope. Yea or Nay ?). Now, I have read a couple of threads that I believe Randy R. and David K. has answered re: GPS issues, such as something about charging an internal battery ? I also replaced the stock power cord with a shorter, heavier ga. cable I built myself with a tighter fitting connector to the scope ( I am a Television Engineer by trade so I am handy with a soldering gun and not a technical idiot by any means). Still the same issues. Now I recall reading again from Randy I think, issues about the Hand controller not liking the cold weather, but here in the outskirts of Phoenix where I am it has dipped into the 40's the past couple of weeks at night. I would imagine that by looking at some of your locations in your sigs, that the 40's would be considered warm this time of year by your standards 8-). I have also called Celestron twice in the past week, only to have my name and phone # taken and told I would get a "call back" in 5 to 7 DAYS ???? !!!!! I have also e-mailed their online tech support 5 days ago and received a ticket ID but received no response yet. Thanks in advance to all of you guys and gals for any info you can shed on my myriad questions.
Edited by RandyR (01/30/08 12:02 AM)
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S.Bauereisen
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Hi,
sounds like something realy is wrong with your CPC.
Hard to tell if its hardware (loose wiring or so. Some people had CPCs delivered with a defective GPS wiring) or if its a corrupt firmware.
I would give it a last try and go through a Handcontrol firmware upgrade. Maybe its just the firmwae and this could solve the issue.
If not, I fear a return to vendor is inevitable.
Maybe others still got more thoughts.
Greetings
Stefan
-------------------- CPC1100-XLT
+ Optec-TCFs temperature compensating Focuser
+ Optec-Pyxis Field De-Rotator
+ Feathertouch Microfocuser
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snogum
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Loc: Western Australia
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back to the dealer for sure
-------------------- Duncan (snogum)
CPC 800 XLT GPS
Orion FlexiShield Dewshield
Telrad
Stock Finder (and Proud of it)
Feather Touch Focuser SCT Micro
Starizona Piggyback Battery Pack
Celestron Focal Reducer/Corrector F/6.3
Orion Multiple Filter Wheel
Orion BlueStar Wireless Adapter
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arowana
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If you have not already, give this a read through:
http://www.nexstarsite.com/OddsEndsCPC.htm
Especially this one:
http://www.nexstarsite.com/OddsNEnds/NoResponse.htm
It list's many of your problem's and ways to correct it.
If non of this resolves your issues, give Ben or Mike at OPT a direct call. I am sure they will help you out.
CS's
Joey
-------------------- CPC 1100
Earthwin Binoviewer with Dielectric P/F Switch
Matched Pair of 24 Pan's
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RAKing
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. I also allowed the sales person to talk me into the 1100 vs. the 925 - but I have only regretted that decision the one time I carried my scope up the stairs from the basement. All other times - aperture DOES rule.
Two things I would try:
1. Upgrade your hand control firmware. It's free and easy from the Celestron web site. Make sure you get the proper version for the CPC/Nexstar models.
2. This happened to me once and caused the same error you are seeing - unplug and replug your hand control. For some reason, even though I heard the click, my hand control was not properly connected to the scope. I unplug my hand control when I carry my scope and I am now very careful when I plug it back in.
I hope these simple fixes help,
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Favorite Stuff: Astro-Physics, Baader, Celestron, Pentax, Takahashi, Televue, Zeiss, and .....
a beautiful wife - plus two furry cats who rule the world!
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rboe
   
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The error codes happen to me from time to time - have always been a poor power connection or low battery. So I think that one is a minor issue that can be dealt with and the second link above should set you straight on that.
GPS turned off is more serious problem and I don't recall ever seeing that one. Try turning the GPS off in the menu selection (reverse logic) just in the off chance that the option shown is showing what will happen if you select it (it says GPS on so pushing it will turn it on). Sounds counter intuitive and I have no idea if that how it works as I've never played with it. 
But hey, cheaper than shipping!
Keep us posted and Welcome to Cloudy Nights.
-------------------- Ron
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mclewis1
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OK, respectfully contradicting a couple of the posts above ... do not consider a firmware upgrade/reload at this time. There are plenty of other things to check first.
No response 16/17 errors as Ron has stated are almost always caused by power problems and aside from checking the cable and making sure the battery is fully charged the other major item is the power receptacle on the scope base. Use a small bladed knife and carefully separate the center pin a little (it has a sometimes hard to see split down it's length). A loose power connection could account for most of your symptoms.
The No response error messages basically mean that the HC can't talk to the scope (one of the MC boards) so the other thing to check is the little RJ connector on the HC. Try plugging the HC into the AUX port instead of the HC port (yes it will work that way) ... this may help if the HC port in the base has a bad pin or something.
If you now don't have any No response errors I'd also perform a "reset to factory values" from the HC. If after a reset the scope is still doing strange things like no GPS linking (but doesn't show any No response errors) then I might consider getting the cable and doing a firmware reload just to try something before I shipped the scope back (full instructions for the reload are on Mike's NexStar site mentioned above).
So, check power source, cabling and connectors, HC cabling and connectors, do a firmware reset, and maybe firmware reload. If after going through all that your scope is still not happy it will have to go back to OPT or Celestron.
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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rboe
   
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I'm not a big Celestron expert but live just off the 101 and 7th ave if you want to bring it by sometime. I have the hand controller for my NS11 we could try on your scope. There are some folks in the Saguaro Astronomy Club that I believe have the CPC scope. A third resource is the NexStar group on Yahoo (although it has been years since I've been on it so I'm just assuming it is still active).
I like the factory reset Mark suggested too.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
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Pedestal
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The "No Response" error codes are almost always power related. I didn't notice if you said what kind of power you were using, but whatever it is, try something different. Also, using something like an Exacto knife, very slightly spread the pin where the power cord plugs into. Not sure about the GPS, but on my 9.25, time to get a fix can vary greatly; from a few seconds to more than a minute. Hubert
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b1gred
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I too, would recommend a hard look at power for the issue.
These scopes are all sensitive to low voltage, or intermittent connections.
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
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DugDog
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How frustrating! If you have a good power source, and you have a warranty...its a lemon send it back!
DD
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EON 120, EON 72, and 80MM F11.4 Guide Scope.
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mikiek
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The fact that you say it has worked would indicate a bad connection somewhere. Try both connectors on your Powertank. My dew controller sometimes complains about low power when I know the PT is well charged. If I jiggle the cig liter connection the idiot lite goes out on the controller.
Check the output from the PT if you can. Should be at least 12V. My PT acted kinda wierd at first, but I think it may not have been completely charged even though the lites indicated it was.
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JimHawkins
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Well, now I’m worried. I received my CPC1100 GPS (XTL) last Tuesday, Jan. 15th, 2008. Last night, Saturday was the first clear one since then. Moon full, but got a few good looks at Mars and of course, Luna. BUT! Had a very hard time trying to go through the alignment process because the NexStar Hand unit text on the second line was all scrambled and running together. Now it worked just fine in the warm house each day as I was reading the manual and going through the steps of learning this system. It worked fine when I took it outdoors yesterday afternoon (Saturday) and did an alignment of the spotter scope to the tube using distant landmarks. Temperature was around 50 deg at 3:30PM. Went back out around 8:00PM, after dark to take my first look see at the beautiful night sky. Temp now, around 45deg. Powered up, and freaked out when I saw this problem. I hoped that with power to the system, it might “warm up” and stabilize. Nope, no change. I wanted to take a look at some deep sky after viewing Mars, but couldn't read the text well enough to do a Sky Alignment. Motors and Tracking seems OK. All the buttons worked, just can't read the darned text Don’t know whether it’s a Hand Unit problem or something in the onboard computer in the base. We brought the scope back indoors and in the time it took to remount, plug in the power cord, and turn it on, it evidently warmed up enough and worked fine. Now then, I feel that if the problem were in the computer unit, it would have taken longer to warm up. The Hand Unit seems the likely culprit. Anyone have the same experience or knows more about this sort of thing? Needless to say, a scope that won’t work in cold temps isn’t much of a scope.
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mike174
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Jim,
The cold will make the LCD display very sluggish and hard to read. Some solutions are to use a chemical hand warmer to keep the hand controller warm. Another solution I read seems to works is to slow the display scrolling rate. It makes reading longer but the text will be easier to read. Otherwise, I think you're ok.
Mike
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mclewis1
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Quote:
Well, now I’m worried.
We brought the scope back indoors and in the time it took to remount, plug in the power cord, and turn it on, it evidently warmed up enough and worked fine. Now then, I feel that if the problem were in the computer unit, it would have taken longer to warm up.
Jim, your problem is the cold. The HC is the brains of the setup ... and yes it warms up and cools down very quickly. All that is in the base is a board with all the front panel connectors and a motor controller for the Az motor... oh and a whole bunch of wires and connectors. There is another motor controller in the arm for the Alt motor plus a GPS receiver.
As has been stated in the other thread your best choices are a hand warmer or one of the heated strips. One thing that does help is the plastic HC cover that will hold more of the heat in with one of the two options mentioned. One source is http://www.scopestuff.com/ss_smcc.htm
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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rboe
   
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If there is any question about the hand controller connection you can use the AUX port on the base to see if that helps.
I'm trying to recall if mine ever whimped out in the cold. Lately it's me more than the handset. It's out right now and it's getting cold - for Phoenix.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
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Bob Griffiths
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My HC has worked just fine while the temp is below freezing..BUT at other times it has been hard to read and very sluggish when the temp was in the 40's...
No Rhyme nor reason...so I just carry a chemical hand warmer or 2 in my EP case...
Bob G
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Nexstar 8i + GPS & Rays Brackets
Denk S1 power switch
Orion 100 mm Refractor
Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
Exploradome Observatory S.I.E. (Smiling Irish Eyes)
Gerbring Heated Motorcycle clothing in the winter
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77*28'12" W
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Cactii41
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Well, it's me again. The guy who started this whole thing.
First of all, thanks for all your help. I did some troubleshooting tonight. Indoors. I have ruled out a power problem of any type. The Power Tank is putting out 12.75 volts with no load, and under load, even when slewing at top speed fully loaded with the weights andthe 2" equipment on, the voltage only drops to about 12.5v. So there appears to be good regulation there. At no time do I lose the power light, but I tried spreading the center pin a little in the power socket of the scope as Pedestal suggested. As an electronic Engineer, I have a method to troubleshooting. Sometimes you must simply eliminate what is NOT causing the problem and finally come to a conclusion of what IS causing the problem. I decided to take the round cover off at the base of the head. Lo and behold, there was a connector half out of the socket as I gently lifted the cover up to peek inside.
I secured that connector. It was the one right underneath the HC socket. "Okay so that must be it" I'm all confident now. I put it all back together turn it on ( this is inside in a 72 degree house) I start going through a fake SKY ALIGN and suddenly WHAM ! !! "NO RESPONSE 17". No control on the handset. Okay. I unscrew the handset now. I see the tiny ribbion connector that feeds the LCD disply is half out of it's socket. I work it back in. I plug the HC back in. It works fin for 5 minutes again, then BANG "NO RESPONSE 16". I power everything down. I use the AUX 1 port. Same thing. 2 minutes later BAM "No RESPONSE 17" Now here it starts getting interesting. I plug the hand controller in to AUX PORT 2 and all of a sudden, I get a GPS fix !!! First time ever and from inside the house ! PROPER TIME and PLACE comes up. I go through the simulated star align, slewing all over the place, up, down sideways I enter target one, then I do target 2 then target 3 done. It Fails the SKY ALIOGN of course, but then goes into NO REPLY 17 again.
So I do a complete factory reset from the UTILITIES MENU.
Again, it now has stopped working completely from the Hand Control Port and PORT 1, but AUX PORT 2 does work for a while, even gets the GPS fix, but always ends up getting the dreaded NO RESPONSE 16 or 17 at some point.
So, my conclusions are it does not appear to be a temperature issue or a power issue. I hade my Digital volt meter hanging on power cable, piercing it with needle probes the whole time so I could get a constant votage read. The power maintained at 12.5 volts under load the whole time.
So, the way I see it, I have either a bad chip somewhere, or corrupted firmware. Now I understand to flash the firmware requires another Special cable ? I am running the most current HD and NXS firmawre according to the Celestron site.
Do I bother ?
WOULD YOU bother ?
Or would you simply box it all up, call [the dealer] in the morning and demand a replacement ?
And if it was you going through this complete aggravation for the past 2 weeks, would you even bother getting another 1100 ? or would you go for a 925 ? [edited by moderator - ToS violations] Can someone recommend a make where I can get maybe a decent APO with a GOTO mount for less than 3 large ? Something highly portable that can set up and broken down in 5 minutes or less and I not get [injured] picking it up ?
What about Stellarvue ? What about Vixen, how are they ?
[edited by moderator]
Thanks again for putting up with my psychobabble.
Hah, what do you guys suggest ?
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
Edited by RandyR (01/30/08 12:00 AM)
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gordianknot
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Here's my 2 cents worth: 1. I think you probably got a lemon, this sounds atypical to me. Lots of people here really like the CPC11 and the N11 (its predecessor). It's a very good visual scope and I think you'd be quite happy with a working one. 2. You list photography in your user profile, so a logical question is "do you want to do astrophotography down the road?" It's a royal pain with the CPC11. You have to wedge mount it and try to guide it. There are cheaper and better options. 3. Televue refractors are very good and to the best of my knowledge all are made in the US (the NP101 has a big sticker on it). They also cost a premium. Stellarvues are also very well liked. The best APO refractor deal is probably the Orion (Synta) ED series of telescopes which are good scopes that are quite cheap, relatively speaking. You can get a 120mm ED refractor a reasonably good GEM mount for about $3000 from Orion (link). Refractors don't have the light gathering capacity or resolution of large SCTs, but they give crisp, high constrast views and tend to be low maintainence. There's a never-ending religious debate over what's the best kind of scope, you can look elsewhere on CN for that. 4. My experience and the consensus on CN seems to be that Celestron support sometimes takes a while to respond, but they tend to be good at solving your problems. They might also be a little overwhelmed right now with post-XMAS issues (speculation on my part). Orion support tends to be very responsive. The gold standard is Televue where you can call during business hours and speak to David or Al Nagler.
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Cactii41
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Loc: Somewhere West of Phoenix
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gordianknot,
Thanks for the suggestions.
Yes I do plan on getting into astrophotography, but that would be down the road a bit. Quite a bit down the road. My original plan was to do what a lot of people on this board who own SCT's do, and that is , eventually get a smaller, high quality refractor for the wide field views and the photography. Yes I am aware of the necessity of having a wedge on the CPC to do astrophotography, and I was not keen on that idea. I want to get used to just "viewing" first.
As Arawana (Joey) mentioned, I am calling Ben or Mike at OPT this morning and I will try to get another scope, or a hand controller at the very least. I know you're right that the C11 is quite a good visual scope, the little I have seen through it so far while it has been working. That was the reason I bought it. I wanted a light bucket capable of high magnification.
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
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JimHawkins
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Cactii, Thanks for starting this thread! Since reading your original and all the responses, I've done a lot more research on the WEB. With the exception of the "Cold NexStar Hand Unit" problem, I'm very pleased with my 1100. Seems the cold problem is very common world wide. You'd think Celestron would come up with a solution..... I hope you get your problem worked out; direct dealer exchange would be my demand if I were in your shoes. My local shop did a complete shake down of mine before I took it home.
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rboe
   
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Celestron will warranty it but you have to pay shipping to them. They will make it right. Starting to sound like you did indeed get a poorly put together one. Have not heard of so many issues with one unit.
For astrophotography, especially using a webcam which a great inexpensive way to dip your toes into the field, the C11 has produced some very very nice work. We had one member from the Philippines that actually spotted the little red spot on Jupiter before NASA did.
The instrument that you have is quite capable and the good people in the imaging forum could help you out more in that regard. But the electronics need to be sorted out first. I'd advise sending it to Celestron though. They have a reputation of going through a scope with a very fine toothed comb while OPT will probably just test and send out another unit if they agree to a buy back.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
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rlalum
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just use a rubber band to attach a chemical hand warmr to the HC. Oh and be sure to send Randy $1.50 for unpatented infrindgement fee
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mclewis1
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Well I have a little different suggestion ...
Since you've already opened the scope up and you've found a few connectors that are only partially connected and you're an engineer (and hopefully somewhat capable with your hands) I'd suggest going back in taking a good look for other loose connectors in the base and the arm.
It is obvious that the scope has been subjected to some heavy handling (existing loose connectors). It is also likely that there are more.
If you don't find any then no harm, no foul and you can go back to your plan of returning it to OPT or Celestron (don't tell them you've been inside the scope).
If you do happen to fix the problems then you're ahead of the game, you don't have to ship the scope anywhere and you'll know more about your scope than the majority of owners.
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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Stop killing yourself! Make them exchange the scope. Even if you get it working, who's to say there are not other issues from rough handling that may crop up later. Start fresh. I just received my CPC 800 XLT. I returned my new 8 SE for it. I avoided the 9.25 and 11 because I wanted the most compact easy scope to deal with possible (that would also allow some DSLR imaging). The 800 fits that bill and really sets up fast. The 9.25 and 11 are certainly a lot heavier and I plan on a BIG scope later. I'm 6'3 and fit enough to wrestle a bear, but I don't like the weight of the larger CPC scopes. Buy the scope that will get used the most. Money was not a factor in my choice. Picking up the scopes was. Last night was the first view through the 800...perfect optics and GPS alignment went without a hitch. Mine was also set to OFF which did create a moment of drama. But after that it was all butter. The CPC 800 is nearly as portable as the SE 8. I set them both up in a few minutes. The 8 SE can be moved more easily assembled. I can move the CPC 800 assembled, but the 9.25 and 11 are just a bit too much. Each of these scopes has strengths. The 8 is clearly the easiest to handle. The 9.25 starts to get tough, but has a bit sharper optics. The 11 is hard to move, but has the big guns. None has to be your last scope, so make a choice for TODAY'S plans and go from there.
Cheers,
Robert
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b1gred
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Cactii,
Look for a pinched cable. I had that happen in my 9.25, and the HC would only work in one of the AUX ports. (I don't remember which right now) When I found the pinch, straightened it out, insulated it with good tape (Scotch 88 (I think)), and put it all back together, the problem abated and has never come up again... I realize the CPC is a little different, but common enough that you may have the same issue.
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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mclewis1
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Robert,
You make some very good points, especially about a scope that you will use rather than becoming a large and expensive garage ornament.
I generally also agree with your "send it back" mentality and initially I didn't even consider suggesting opening the scope up. Once Cactii41 had crossed that threshold on his own I thought I'd bring the subject up.
Everyone is different in terms of what they will put up with (hey you just bought a multi thousand dollar item right? It should be perfect) but since we're dealing with an engineer (Cactii41) there is likely a built in desire to know what is going on. These scopes are actually quite simple internally, and outside of the firmware in the HC and MCs can be troubleshot quite easily. Plus while many folks will handle them as if they are sealed black boxes the reality is after the warranty is up there are mechanical things that should be done to keep the scope running in top condition (for example cleaning the az bearing surface once in a while). Making sure all the connectors are properly seated is also likely going to extend the enjoyment of the scope.
So getting inside one (carefully) and getting to know what's going on is not really a big deal but only if you are already comfortable handling the mechanicals of it. On the other hand poking around a properly functioning scope if you are not used to doing so is probably not a good idea.
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
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b1gred
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I'm with Mark.
But, I'm an "Enginerd" all the way. I have VERY few (technology) devices in my possession that I'm not intimate with the inner workings of. (English - not so much .)
If you know what you're doing - generally - take the screws out carefully, follow good 'technical practices', and don't try to actually fix something you don't understand the first thing about, you'll be fine.
My basic rule of thumb, Quote:
"If it ain't broke - don't fix it (but it's ok to look), if it is broke and you try to fix it, just don't mess it up so bad that the guy who knows HOW to fix it can't (or has to do more work than he would have.)"
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
Edited by RandyR (01/21/08 03:10 PM)
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I've had the panels off my NS11, they don't make it easy, but it's a simple scope.
I've had the hand controller apart and it's much easier to get at than a Palm Pilot Tungsten! It does help if you have had some training or are mechanically inclined - I would not recommend it for the faint of heart.
There is a site out there where fellow took his NS11 completely apart and flocked the inside tube among other things. That was cool. I've been considering that myself now that the scope is out of warranty.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
16" dob
15X70 Obies
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b1gred
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Ya, but Ron, then your scope would be all 'flocked up'...
Ok sorry, .
You are right, it takes some intestinal fortitude, but if you're careful (and observant) and have any technical aptitude at all (real, not just perceived), you should be able to check it out.
Cactii has already had the covers off, it's just a matter of digging a little deeper... (and keepin the J-B Weld handy :JK:)
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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Pedestal
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I think it's time to call the dealer and work out an exchange with Celestron. It's a shame it happens, but this time sounds like you got "tagged". Yeah, you might can fix it. But I think you have done all that can reasonable be expected. I see no real reason to change to a refractor -unless you have decided the 11" is too big. The 11" is a very nice scope. Were is not for me being an old fart, and physically limited, I'd have the 11" instead of the 9.25". Hubert
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letimotif
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Hubert's right. You've gone way above and beyond. I understand wanting to get it up and running, but it's simply not worth your effort since it's brand new.
Opt are good people. They'll make it right. Once you have your replacement, you'll get your own well-deserved chance to see why the rest of us are enjoying this model so much.
Let us know what OPT says. I think you'll be both relieved and pleased.
-------------------- Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a Heaven for?
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Cactii41
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I have been in touch with [the dealer].
They say they are going to arrange something through Celestron.
I could have had the option of returning the scope to [the dealer]... on MY dime. That is their policy, so they say.
MM-hm. But, if they find the scope is faulty, they will give me a full refund if I want it, BUT they will charge me a 10% "restocking fee" for all the accessories, including the eyepieces. Plus the shipping on the accessories will be on my dime as well.
Basically, I am done putting any more labor into troubleshooting a problem on my new $2,800 boat anchor.
I have elimnated all the obvious (poor connections, crimped wires, power problems, etc.) This has the stench of something fried in the electronics. It could be something as stupid and inconsequential as a chip capacitor that was not soldered to the mainboard properly. Or a cold solder joint. That could explain the intermittent nature of the problem.
So [the dealer] suggested I jump through the hoops and go through Celestron's support first. I still have thoption of getting a full refund through them, since this whole ordeal is now on record with them.
I am supposed to be getting a call from Celestron "REAL soon", I was told.
If it doesn't happen by Friday AM, I'm packing EVERYTHING up and sending it back to [the dealer]... at the same time I write the book-length novel to MasterCard requesting a FULL credit and chargeback to my account including the shipping.
Then I will simply look for some other expensive hobby to occupy what little spare time I have.
2 things I can say absolutely for sure.
#1 is that is I am definitely not impressed with Celestron's customer support. [edited by moderator]
#2 I find it very amusing how zealous and passionate people in this hobby can be. I received no less than 3 PM's from people over in the "Refractor" camp trying to talk me into going over to the Dark Side. I am talking about zeaolots who vehemently voiced their displeasure at SCT's and reflectors in general.
Thanks for everyone's help and I will let you know how I make out.
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
Edited by RandyR (01/30/08 12:07 AM)
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letimotif
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Hey,
I'll shut up after this, but I couldn't let this go without adding something more. Astronomy as a hobby can be an extraordinary experience for the mind and spirit. It can take you away from the humdrum and everyday trials we all face and let you see an actual infinity of wonders. It can offer a perspective of years, millenia, eons of time and incomprehensible distance wherein you become a part of something greater.
We here have seen before someone who wants to share that grandeur becoming frustrated and disappointed because of an offputting first venture into high end equipment. And it's terribly sad to know someone who, aspiring to that sense of wonder we share, misses out because of a bad tool.
Whatever the outcome of this misadventure, I hope you will continue to pursue your interest in the night sky. Be it with binocs, dob, new, mak or refractor, invest the effort. I sincerely believe that with a working telescope you will find the enjoyment we've all had and continue to seek, despite snow, freezing temperatures, bugs, clouds and--yes--faulty equipment.
Clear(er) skies to you.
-------------------- Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a Heaven for?
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mike174
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Bravo!
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b1gred
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Ok, let's stop short of 'bashing' any of the companies involved.
Cactii, IF you have the patience to wait for Celestron, they WILL make it right. They are not nearly as big a company as you might expect AND they have a lot of business, so they are not always super fast in responding, BUT they will make it right, and frankly, I'd almost rather have a scope which has been back to them than one right out of the box - why? Because when the Celestron techs in CA have been through a scope it's BETTER than 'factory new'...
Please be patient, don't give up on this outstanding scope, every once in a while something slips through - as you know from your description of what may be wrong...
Let us know how this ends up.
Please, everyone, let's not pile on the dogpile here w/r/t the vendors.
Your friendly local moderator...
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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rboe
   
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The warranty that comes with the scope says any shipment back to them is on your dime. You might be able to work something out with them but that part is in writing.
Celestron's customer service is very good once you get a dialog going with them. They are smaller than folks think. From the experience a good friend had with Celestron and backed up from others a scope sent to them will come back better than new. You will have to have to have some patience with them.
Good Luck.
-------------------- Ron
NS11GPS
Pronto
16" dob
15X70 Obies
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spaceydee
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Well - I'll just add that I hope you get this resolved because I totally disagree with point #2. Your 11" SCT will kick some serious backside compared to most refractors at least when it comes to the deep sky. There is a huge difference between what 4" vs 11" of aperture can do. I've got the small scopes, and I've used some larger ones (my largest currently is 8" and one is an SCT).
-------------------- Dee
space-scientist
student violinist
Nexstar8i,SV80S,80/9D,FC100,94 Brandon,TMB92SS,GM8
8" f/7 Discovery,12.5" Portaball, PST
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S.Bauereisen
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Hi Cactii41,
First of all I admire your will and efforts to sort those issues out. Many people for sure would have given up much more early.
Concerning the Handcontrol Firmware update/re-installation, this is done through the connector at the lower end of the Handcontrol. You only need the normal cable which is supplied with every CPC at delivery. Its the same cable and port which you use for controling your CPC with a computer and Planetarium program or with NexRemote.
There is a second set of Firmware which is only controling the Motors. This one is located on a chip in the MotorControl board which resides in the CPC (not in the Handcontrol). Only for upgrading/re-installing this Firmware you would need the specific cable which is also sold by Celestron.
However, first try to upgrade the HandControl Firmware and see if its helps.
If afterwards you still think it might be related to the MotorControl Firmware, you may also look at http://www.nexstarsite.com as they provide the pinout to make this yourself. Its easy (I did it) and cost only a few cents.
Last but not least, I doubt that those issues are specific to the CPC1100. Its pure electronics / electric or software. So it might just as well have happened with a C9.25
However, I personally would not have had your passion and returned the scope to the seller for replacement.
Greetings
Stefan
-------------------- CPC1100-XLT
+ Optec-TCFs temperature compensating Focuser
+ Optec-Pyxis Field De-Rotator
+ Feathertouch Microfocuser
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200/1000 Newton + EQ6 SkyScan
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Pasquale
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Hey Cactii...
I feel your pain, really I do. My 9.25 was shipped with a loose secondary, so I had to ship it back to them on my dime. It came back better than new; those techs will lube, tighten, and clean anything they can get a screwdriver and a rag to... My RA motor died, and I had to send it back, again on my dime, and again, it came back better than new, with a fingerprint I put on the corrector plate conspicuously absent. The motor quit the second day back, and this time, my vendor, Astronomics, called Celestron, and a Celestron technician called me, then emailed me a prepaid shipping label, FR double E... It's worked flawlessly since. Celestron and your vendor will sort it out, you just have to let them work for you. Don't give up, although I understand, after shelling out that kind of dough, you want things to work right out of the box, as you should. Believe it or not, Celestron and their Tech Support are aces when it comes to honoring and servicing their warranty work... You did all you could, and frankly, more than I would have done. I would have just replaced it with either another 11"er, or gone with the 9.25. I know it's a tough cookie to swallow, but, keep the faith, it'll work out... Keep us posted!
-------------------- Pasquale
Go Seahawks!
NexStar 9.25 GPS / SkyAlign
Stellarvue SV102ED
WO ZS80FD Anniversary
WO ZS66ED Triplet
Vixen Sphinx SXW
Canon EOS XT/350D, Meade DSI, NexImager
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BlueRidge
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Bear with it. Down the road you'll be glad you have the 11. It's a great scope. The views are much better on DSOs than a smaller refractor. Last week we had a shootout with the NS11 and a 10" Meade R series. Other then extreme edge performance, the view (IMO) in the 11 was better.
Bill H Syria, VA
-------------------- Celestron Skymaster 15 x 70's, Miyauchi BR-141's
Celestron Nexstar 11 GPS, SkyAlign upgrade
Celestron 9.25 XLT OTA, CG-5 Mount
Stellarvue SV90TBV
Denk II Binoviewers/#S2 Power/Filterswitch
21mm and 14mm Denk EPs
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Cactii41
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Latest Update 1/29.
The scope is on it's way to Celestron, PREPAID, for repair/replacement. [The place it was purchased from] refused to pay return shipping, so that option was out in my book. And it took several phone calls up the ladder at Celestron before I got someone to see my point, just from a matter of principle. Finally, the Service Mgr. there agreed with my point that the owner of a brand new scope should not have to lay out another dime to ship it back. So I was sent a prepaid UPS label via e-mail. Shipping would have cost $128 for GROUND, something I just could not see myself doing on principle alone. The sad part is the Service Mgr. informed me that their turnaround time on service right now is about 30 days.
I will keep everyone posted when I get my CPC-1100 back.
Thanks for everyone's input.
Edited by moderator because it specified the store, CN's rules don't allow the store to respond, so it is unfair to single them out in this forum. The Terms of Service are specific in this area - Quote:
Cloudy Nights is not an open air forum for vendor complaints. If you seek resolution, it is recommended you talk to the vendor. If you seek an audience, it is recommended you go elsewhere.
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
Edited by RandyR (01/29/08 11:51 PM)
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mikiek
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I feel your pain C has a reputation for doing a good job on repairs.
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May there always be starlight on the path - R.Burnham
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Celestron CPC 1100
TV NP-101(riding the CPC)
SV-80S
Radian 3mm,5mm,8mm,12mm
Panoptic 22mm,27mm,35mm,41mm
Nagler 3-6 zoom,T4 17mm,T5 31mm
Ethos 8mm,13mm, 21mm
Everbrite Diagonal 2", Powermate 2X
FeatherTouch Crayford, Microfocuser
Telrad Finder, SV 9x50 RACI
Kendrick Dew System
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Astroboy86
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Thirty days actually seems like a pretty quick turnaround time to repair & tune-up a product as complex as the CPC. I have a buddy who's now been waiting over six months for JVC to either repair or replace his in-warranty receiver.
Maybe this is the perfect opportunity to take the dough you saved on shipping and put it toward a nice little grab & go backup scope? 
-Harry
-------------------- Our ever-growing equipment collection:
Celestron CPC 925 GPS XLT (The Precious)
EarthWin PFS-D binoviewer w/dielectric coatings
Meade ETX-125AT (Shadow Lass)
Meade DS-2130ATS-LNT (Mr. Magoo)
Meade 114NT/500 (Foggy Bottom)
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gary-sue69
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Hi' cactil41 just caching up on the forum here. I had to send my cpc1100 back on 01/03, I went strait to Big C tech. support, I told them what was up and they was great. I got a prepaid return label and paid $10.00 for the shipper to pick it up at my house, now just a big wait. I guess i am saying that Big C will take care of you .
-------------------- CPC 1100 GPS Schmidt-Cassegrain (StarBright XLT)
Astro-Tech AT10RC
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
CGE Computerized Mount
Orion Awesome Autoguider Refractor Package
Orion Star Target Constellation & Celestial Object Finder
StarShoot Solar System Color Imager III
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mikiek
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gary69 - Help me out. How long had you owned the scope before you sent it back?
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May there always be starlight on the path - R.Burnham
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Celestron CPC 1100
TV NP-101(riding the CPC)
SV-80S
Radian 3mm,5mm,8mm,12mm
Panoptic 22mm,27mm,35mm,41mm
Nagler 3-6 zoom,T4 17mm,T5 31mm
Ethos 8mm,13mm, 21mm
Everbrite Diagonal 2", Powermate 2X
FeatherTouch Crayford, Microfocuser
Telrad Finder, SV 9x50 RACI
Kendrick Dew System
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gary-sue69
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HI, mikiek around july of 2007
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Astro-Tech AT10RC
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
CGE Computerized Mount
Orion Awesome Autoguider Refractor Package
Orion Star Target Constellation & Celestial Object Finder
StarShoot Solar System Color Imager III
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Cactii41
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Gary,
May I ask what was wrong with your scope and did Celestron give you an ETA ? Did you get it back yet ?
Cactii41
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
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gary-sue69
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Hi, cactii41 don't let this discourage you from this hobby. MY cpc1100 was making a popping noise and jerking when i slew, at least i got to use it for around 5 month before it went back to Big C. Be patient you will be one more thing all the guys and gals on this forum are great and a BIG help. (sorry just trying to correct my spelling but i am sure you all understand, not the best with this).
-------------------- CPC 1100 GPS Schmidt-Cassegrain (StarBright XLT)
Astro-Tech AT10RC
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
CGE Computerized Mount
Orion Awesome Autoguider Refractor Package
Orion Star Target Constellation & Celestial Object Finder
StarShoot Solar System Color Imager III
Edited by gary69 (01/31/08 07:54 PM)
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gary-sue69
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cactii41 like RandyR said, by going back to Big C it will be better thin new.
-------------------- CPC 1100 GPS Schmidt-Cassegrain (StarBright XLT)
Astro-Tech AT10RC
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
CGE Computerized Mount
Orion Awesome Autoguider Refractor Package
Orion Star Target Constellation & Celestial Object Finder
StarShoot Solar System Color Imager III
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gary-sue69
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Sorry cactii41 to the other questions, ETA was 6 week, they (shipper) Delivered it on Jan 11, still waiting.
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b1gred
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I know this is a real Pain in the posterior, BUT (no pun intended) it really will be BETTER than factory new when you get it back. You'll be amazed.
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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stephenramsden
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Randy R or Cactii (original poster) I purchased a CPC925 full setup a couple of weeks ago and for what it's worth, it has worked flawlessly since then. I really like the SkyAlign feature and have never experienced the errors you are having. It takes me right at about 12 minutes from unloading it from my truck onsite to sucessful SkyAlign. Anyway, I did run into a problem last night. The Celestron power cord just quit on me. The light on the on/off switch will not come on under any circumstances. So, I whipped out my spare (of course) Meade LXD75 cable and if I hold it just right, it supplies power to my mount (from the Power Tank 17). So, obviously it is a messed up power jack connection maybe from stress or getting jerked a couple of times. I am writing because I noticed that you said that you removed the base unit cover and checked for loose connections. Do you remember what the power jack looked like inside and could you tell me whether it is worth my time to get in there and try to remedy what is probably a loose connection caused by tripping over the cable in the dark and jerking it too hard?
Also, my dealer, Tim at Camera Bug in Atlanta (awesome, honest guy) is local and he says no problem returning it. Except of course he only has the CPC 1100 unit in stock and it will take at least 3 weeks to get another CPC 925). He says he will give it to me for $300 more. Have you already replaced your faulty CPC1100? Or did you go and get the CPC 925. Any thoughts as to whether I would like the 1100 as much as the 925?
I also just want the "wow factor" visually. I don't plan on any snobby astrophotography any time soon. Those laptop/CCD guys make me feel alienated because I am apparantly ignorant. Not why I am into Astronomy.
Anyway, i would appreciate a response if you have time. I'm here in ATLANTA on Sunday morning with that frustrated look on my face after waking up at 5:00 AM to see the Venus/Jupiter/Crescent moon alignment. All my dog and I saw where tools and a loose power jack. Stephen ramsden@mindspring.com
-------------------- Stephen W. Ramsden
Atlanta, GA--USA
NASA SOLAR SYSTEM AMBASSADOR
www.solarastrophotography.com
www.SolarScopeReviews.com
www.stephenramsden.com
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Cactii41
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Stephen, sounds to me like you blew a fuse. I don't recall exactly what's under the hood, but if your dealer is local, then I would bring it in to him and let HIM take the cover off. Whether you want to trade up to an 1100 is a personal decision. Be aware that it is bulkier and about 8 lbs. heavier. I m the wrong guy to ask anyhow, since my 1100 is in the shop right now, hopefully getting a new transmission and brake job....
-------------------- Celestron CPC1100 GPS (XLT)
C80ED, Celestron G5-ASGT
WO 2" Quartz Diagonal
TV Plossl 55mm, PanOptic 35, TV Plossl 32, Baader Hyperion 21, Nagler 12T4, Nagler 13T6
PowerTank 17, Celestron CPC 11 Counterweight kit
AstroZap Flexi Dew Shield
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1965healey
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"I don't plan on any snobby astrophotography any time soon. Those laptop/CCD guys make me feel alienated because I am apparantly ignorant.. Not why I'm into Astronomy"
OUCH! I've met "refractor wienies", "enginerds", "geeks", "gearheads" and even a "numbfinger" here on CN. I've yet to come across an AP "snob". In my experience the "laptop/CCD guys" are some of the most helpful people on the forums. The learning curve for AP is STEEP and without their willingness to share their knowledge I know alot of us would struggle far more than we need to. There might be a snob lurking out there somewhere, I just haven't run across one yet. Bad attitudes have a short shelf life around here thank goodness. I'm sure that the more time you spend here on CN the more you'll realize what a great bunch it's members are.
-------------------- 1965Healey (Karen)
Woodlawn Lake Observatory
Celestron CPC 800/FT MIcro/APT Wedge
SV NHNG 80mm #0261/CG5-GT
Celestron Omni 150 XLT
Losmandy rails/rings
Starizona CWeight system
Sony a100 DSLR/Mod Canon 40D
Meade DS60's w/Autostar (2)
Meade LPI/Meade DSI-C/DSI ProII
750cc Honda Shadow Spirit (Thanks Dad!)
1965 Austin Healey 3000 MKIII
1975 ODay Daysailer II
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RAKing
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Stephen,
You mentioned that the light on the scope panel doesn't come on, but how about the LED on the power cable plug? There is a small in-line fuse in there and you might have just blown that instead. Trust me, it's been done before and it's cheaper than a new scope.
About the 1100 vs the 925: I have the 1100 and it is magnificent for visual "looking at the stars". You could also do some of that photo stuff someday. The 1100 is about 7 pounds heavier than the 925 - and I can feel the difference.
Take care,
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Favorite Stuff: Astro-Physics, Baader, Celestron, Pentax, Takahashi, Televue, Zeiss, and .....
a beautiful wife - plus two furry cats who rule the world!
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turbohawk
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Stephen, I looked at the $300 difference from the 9.25 to the 1100 as the equivalent of 2 decent EP's or 1.75" of more light...I opted for more light as there isn't any way I'm aware of to retrofit for more light. I would bet that your 9.25 is probably very very close to the performance of the 11, all else being equal.
-------------------- Celestron CPC 1100 XLT
Kendrick Digifire 7 controller, Astrozap Heated dewshield & EP strip, Celestron Star Pointer,OPT 2" dielectric diagonal. EP's: Various Baader Hyperions, Orion Expanse & Zhummel (Cheap but suprisingly good)
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b1gred
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Let's keep the personal comments out of the forums, please... we don't need to call anyone 'snobs' - 
The reason your Meade power cable doesn't work is it has a different sized center connector than the Celestron.
There are several sources (including Radio Shack) for those power cables, but be sure you get one with a 2.1mm center pin (not the 2.5 which is actually more common and is what's on your Meade cable).
Many people have found that the center pin of the Celestron power connector needs to be CAREFULLY spread a bit. Just insert a knife blade or very small screwdriver into the split in the center pin and spread it slightly until the connector fits snuggly.
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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mclewis1
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Quote:
The Celestron power cord just quit on me. The light on the on/off switch will not come on under any circumstances. So, I whipped out my spare (of course) Meade LXD75 cable and if I hold it just right, it supplies power to my mount (from the Power Tank 17). So, obviously it is a messed up power jack connection maybe from stress or getting jerked a couple of times.
Hang on a minute ... nothing from the Celestron and only partial from the Meade .... hmmm. As RandyR said the Meade uses a different plug than the Celestron (2.5 vs 2.1mm). I'll bet you have a bad Celestron cable or AC adapter and not a bad scope.
If it was a blown fuse the Meade cable wouldn't work occasionally. I'd get my hands on a known good Celestron cable or AC adapter before I touched the scope or considered getting the dealer more involved.
-------------------- Mark
C11, C6, APM/TMB115, and AT80ED - Tandem mount CGE and CG-5A, WO EZ-Touch and AT Voyager
25x100s and 8x56s, T-Mount Light, Mark 1 eyeballs - Modded 350D, DSI-P, SPC900, Mallincam
Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean that you should
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b1gred
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AND A SERIOUS CAUTION DO NOT use any power supply for that scope other than the one from Celestron for the scope or one that you know beyond any doubt is regulated and controlled so it won't put out more than 13.8VDC! There are some - even Celestron branded - that may have a higher voltage rating. Notably the ones for the PowerTank which are rated at 18VDC, not 13.8. They WILL blow your electronics.
-------------------- "Dark Skies & Great Viewing"
RandyR / W0RDR
GPS 9.25 XLT/Sky Align /FeatherTouch
TV85 w/FeatherTouch
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Rusty
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Quote:
Let's keep the personal comments out of the forums, please... we don't need to call anyone 'snobs' - 
I do a lot of AP, and I don't consider myself a "snob" (more like an AP "slob"; in fact one of the pleasures of setting up the rig on "automatic" and letting the images fly, is that I have time to help folks with their problems).
I found that to be the same with other imagers, that imaging gives us time to pretend to be useful.
-------------------- N11GPS Fastar
TOA-130S
MK66 Std
Vintage C5
Megrez II 80mm ED Triplet APO
SolarMax 40
NJP Temma II
Sirius EQ-G
ST8XE/CFW-8(LRGBHa)/AO-7/DF-2/STV Dlx/ST237a/350D (Unmodded)/Mallincam Color Hyper Plus/DSI III Color/DSI II Pro
Two not-spoiled Golden Retrievers - Maggie and Casey
Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. - Arthur C. Clarke
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gary-sue69
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CPC1100 arrived . I have been waiting for a email from BigC, to let me no it was fix. I was planning for my new observatory, when the shipper stop in front of the neighbors. The shipper took off about fifty feet and back-up into my driveway, i figured He was turning around but he didn't the box looks great. I will keep you inform in my other post ( Tech support no answer ).
-------------------- CPC 1100 GPS Schmidt-Cassegrain (StarBright XLT)
Astro-Tech AT10RC
Mallincam Color Hyper Plus
CGE Computerized Mount
Orion Awesome Autoguider Refractor Package
Orion Star Target Constellation & Celestial Object Finder
StarShoot Solar System Color Imager III
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hosemonkey
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all this reading of problems, perhaps I'll get a Mead.
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RAKing
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Quote:
all this reading of problems, perhaps I'll get a Mead.
Perhaps we dwell too much on the problems. I guess it's what motivates us to communicate.
I can assure you the grass is NOT any greener on that side of the fence. 
Take care,
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Favorite Stuff: Astro-Physics, Baader, Celestron, Pentax, Takahashi, Televue, Zeiss, and .....
a beautiful wife - plus two furry cats who rule the world!
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hosemonkey
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And how do you know that a comparable mead also has it's share of problems?
I am looking to buy a goto scope for under $2000, but if I pay that kind of cash for anything, I expect it to work out of the box. I understand any forums is usually where people come to vent problems, not success of their product, whether it be on cars or telescope, but it still makes me hesitant of paying for something that dont work as advertised.
Edited by hosemonkey (04/23/08 02:12 PM)
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Bob Griffiths
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Before I purchased my CPC1100 a month or so ago I had been in the market for a larger SCT to replace my 8i for over a year...
I really was looking at the Meade a 12" RCX (lot more then 2K) BUT they had so many problems ...like guys going thru 3 different scopes just to get one that worded and continued to work for an entire month. I was... and still am ...afraid to buy any high end Meade product...
That said Meade has got their act back together BUT I still went with my gut and purchased the CPC mainly because its problems were few and far between according to what I have read over the last year or so...
My 8i is now 7 years old and has never given me any problems...NONE..ZIP ! and the CPC worked great right out of the box the one and only time I had it under the Stars...
Just my opinion...
Bob G.
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Nexstar 8i + GPS & Rays Brackets
Denk S1 power switch
Orion 100 mm Refractor
Meade LXD 55 ...AR-5 127 mm Refractor
Exploradome Observatory S.I.E. (Smiling Irish Eyes)
Gerbring Heated Motorcycle clothing in the winter
39*21'03" N
77*28'12" W
The sky over my head....
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dtsmith
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And how do you know that a comparable mead also has it's share of problems?
Checked the Meade forum lately?
Seriously, if you ask the question which is better - C or M - the response will probably be split right down the middle. If you ask the question which has better QC, you'll get stories about both, but my impression is that one manufacturer has a better reputation than the other. I don't think it'll take much digging here or on the internet to figure out which is which.
-------------------- Dan
NP-101 / DM6 / Sky Commander
CPC 800 XLT / WO SCT Focuser
Stellarvue 9x50 RACI Finder
W.O. 66SD
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TheRock
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I also researched Celestron-vs-Meade for months, and in the end I went with the CPC1100. In a word - the scope is mint! From what I've heard, Meade is transfering their manufacturing to another country, and you know that alsways brings some initial pain points. However, I don't think you can go wrong with either scope.
-------------------- Richard
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"Get busy living, or get busy dying" - The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
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hosemonkey
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Just curous, what about the other name brand scopes you see, orion, etc. They right up with celestron as view quality, built quality and accurate as far as goto use. Prices for comparable scopes are very close.
Edited by hosemonkey (04/23/08 04:25 PM)
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dtsmith
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Don't know about Skyview, but I'm pretty sure that Orion's SCTs are just rebadged Celestrons. My impression is that Orion has a good reputation for quality, value and customer satisfaction. Their scopes might not be top of the line, but they are generally held in high regard.
-------------------- Dan
NP-101 / DM6 / Sky Commander
CPC 800 XLT / WO SCT Focuser
Stellarvue 9x50 RACI Finder
W.O. 66SD
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RAKing
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Actually, Celestron is now owned by Synta - who also makes the scopes for Orion. They are definitely comparable quality and I've been very happy with their products and service.
Please don't get my earlier post wrong. All manufacturers try to make quality products, but sometimes things happen and we go online and complain. That's the way things work today.
Celestron worked very hard to solve my problem and I'll give them a public "Thank You" for their efforts.
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Favorite Stuff: Astro-Physics, Baader, Celestron, Pentax, Takahashi, Televue, Zeiss, and .....
a beautiful wife - plus two furry cats who rule the world!
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BlueRidge
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Ron,
What was the problem with your scope?
Bill H Syria, VA
-------------------- Celestron Skymaster 15 x 70's, Miyauchi BR-141's
Celestron Nexstar 11 GPS, SkyAlign upgrade
Celestron 9.25 XLT OTA, CG-5 Mount
Stellarvue SV90TBV
Denk II Binoviewers/#S2 Power/Filterswitch
21mm and 14mm Denk EPs
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RAKing
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The Motor Control board died suddenly. I suspect a silicon brain hemorrhage. 
One minute I was enjoying the sky, the next - the scope wouldn't move. I tried everything, but no amount of EMT work could save it.
Celestron's Customer Service is a little slow and it can be frustrating trying to get through, but once they went into action, they more than kept their promises.
I finally got a chance to look through my "new" CPC1100 last night and the views were just as good as before.
Ron
-------------------- Time spent looking at the stars is added to your life.
Favorite Stuff: Astro-Physics, Baader, Celestron, Pentax, Takahashi, Televue, Zeiss, and .....
a beautiful wife - plus two furry cats who rule the world!
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