Return to the Cloudy Nights Telescope Reviews home pageAstronomics discounts for Cloudy Nights members
· Get a Cloudy Nights T-Shirt · Submit a Review / Article

Click here if you are having trouble logging into the forums

Privacy Policy | Please read our Terms of Service | Signup and Troubleshooting FAQ | Problems? PM a Red or a Green Gu… uh, User

General Astronomy >> Outreach

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | (show all)
csrlice12
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 05/22/12

Loc: Denver, CO
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Ptarmigan]
      #5712162 - 03/04/13 09:44 AM

Hmmm, who knew you could stuff a 235lb person into a 4.5" dob ota.......and have room left over...

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Kraus
Pooh-Bah


Reged: 03/10/12

Loc: Georgia.
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: csrlice12]
      #5712445 - 03/04/13 12:37 PM


That's funny Lice. I can see the cartoon now.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
RogueGazer
super member


Reged: 06/10/12

Loc: Central Point Oregon
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Ptarmigan]
      #5713192 - 03/04/13 07:35 PM

I was going to suggest handcuffs but that walker idea is almost as good.
My wife and I do foster care and the kids are never easy and dealing with their parents is even worse. The 4 sibling kids we are fostering now had addict parents who have be raising them to be thugs. One child we discovered needed glasses. He started wearing them and liked them until his mom said she hated him wearing them so he stopped. She also doesn't like how we dress her kids. They don't look gangster enough. Since being in our home over 1 year their behavior has greatly improved. They now have rules and there are always consequences for breaking them. Now they are starting to prefer our lifestyle over their parents lifestyle. The oldest now refuses to even visit her parents and the next oldest is also saying he doesn't want to see them despite our encouraging him to do so. I guess they are lucky their parents rarely show up to the scheduled visits so that decision is made for them.
I think deep down inside these bratty kids want to be better but they don't know any different. Kids usually idolize their parents until about 10 years old. That's when they start thinking their parents are actully stupid. Unfortunately the bratty kids at these events are the ones that need inspired the most. I applaud anyone who does any kind of outreach service. I would freak out if anyone put their slimy hands on my scope.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Achernar
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 02/25/06

Loc: Mobile, Alabama, USA
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Ptarmigan]
      #5713293 - 03/04/13 08:24 PM

I bet he was fighting mad, I would be in his shoes in more ways than one. That is one reason why I wouldn't bring an expensive telescope. The other thing I have noticed that most parents will watch their kids, it's when there's lots of kids and few adults to supervise them the potential for problems arises. But throwing something into someone's telescope is the worst outrage I've ever heard of someone doing at an outreach event.

Taras


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Skylook123
Postmaster
*****

Reged: 04/30/05

Loc: Tucson, AZ
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: RogueGazer]
      #5713504 - 03/04/13 10:21 PM

Quote:

I was going to suggest handcuffs but that walker idea is almost as good.
My wife and I do foster care and the kids are never easy and dealing with their parents is even worse. The 4 sibling kids we are fostering now had addict parents who have be raising them to be thugs. One child we discovered needed glasses. He started wearing them and liked them until his mom said she hated him wearing them so he stopped. She also doesn't like how we dress her kids. They don't look gangster enough. Since being in our home over 1 year their behavior has greatly improved. They now have rules and there are always consequences for breaking them. Now they are starting to prefer our lifestyle over their parents lifestyle. The oldest now refuses to even visit her parents and the next oldest is also saying he doesn't want to see them despite our encouraging him to do so. I guess they are lucky their parents rarely show up to the scheduled visits so that decision is made for them.
I think deep down inside these bratty kids want to be better but they don't know any different. Kids usually idolize their parents until about 10 years old. That's when they start thinking their parents are actully stupid. Unfortunately the bratty kids at these events are the ones that need inspired the most. I applaud anyone who does any kind of outreach service. I would freak out if anyone put their slimy hands on my scope.




And we must applaud what your efforts are bringing to four precious lives. Your story made my day.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
StarStuff1
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 04/01/07

Loc: South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Skylook123]
      #5718247 - 03/07/13 11:46 AM

Yes RogueGazer, thank you and your wife for you other public service.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Classic8
professor emeritus


Reged: 04/12/06

Loc: Naperville, IL, USA
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: StarStuff1]
      #5747358 - 03/21/13 11:12 AM

The walker is a great idea. It's easier to lose your balance in the dark, especially when leaning over to look through an eyepiece, and the natural thing is to grab onto something.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
bluesteel
sage


Reged: 03/24/13

Loc: ILM
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Classic8]
      #5778784 - 04/04/13 11:20 PM

Jeez. If I tried to pull some of the awful stuff posted when I was a kid, I wouldn't be sitting for a week! It seems to me that the kids who have no respect for other people's property usually are the ones with less than spectacular parental units. As RogueGazer posted, their environment can mean a world of difference, and you do not have to be monetarily wealthy to provide that.
Unfortunately for the human race, our brains are wired to remember negative experiences better than positive ones. Think of the poor fool who had to eat the poisonous mushroom to realize (too late of course) it was indeed no good for consumption. Others remember that negative, for great reason, and continued with their lives, knowing not to eat that type of mushroom.
...as for those people who destroy the observing gear, citizens arrest?


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Matthew Ota
Hmmm


Reged: 04/30/05

Loc: Los Angeles, California
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: bluesteel]
      #5857240 - 05/13/13 11:14 AM

What I do now is work with the kids. I place them in command of the telescope by putting them behind the keyboard. I have them slew the telescope using TheSky software. I tell them this is how I used to work at Mount Wilson Observatory when I was a telescope operator there. I am showing them how a professional telescope operator works. By putting them in control of my telescope, I am giving them an unforgettable experience that I hope will instill a lifelong interest in astronomy, science and mathematics in them.

In 1970 the seventh grade a science teacher placed me behind an eyepiece. I now am passing the baton to a new generation.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Michael Rapp
Post Laureate
*****

Reged: 04/27/04

Loc: Dickinson, TX
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Matthew Ota]
      #6012441 - 08/07/13 09:33 PM

Hi all,

I am the original poster of this thread and I feel the need to provide an update.

After my troublesome experience back in November, I did not volunteer out at the site for seven months. However, I began to miss it. I've been involved with this site off-and-on for over two decades. I was very active out there when I was in high school and the joy I felt in helping the general public get acquainted with astronomy is directly responsible for my career as an educator.

It hit me that I wasn't thinking clearly. The only aspect that has come to bother me is the unruly kids messing with my scope. Well, there is an easy way around this: don't bring my scope!

There are volunteer positions out there that do not require one to use a scope -- there are various door positions to the three permanent scopes out there, for example.

So it is with much happiness that I report that I've been out there twice in July and have been having a blast answering people's questions about the amazing stuff that goes on above our heads.

(I still bring my scope, but I don't bring it out until 11 pm when the public has gone home or back to their campsites.)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DigitalFox
member
*****

Reged: 08/18/12

Loc: Riverside, CA
Re: Wild and unruly kids new [Re: Michael Rapp]
      #6012707 - 08/07/13 11:40 PM

I've come to a similar conclusion that the only way I'm going to be comfortable continuing to do outreach with children around is to simply leave the scope at home. I think that a benefit, besides the lowered anxiety, is that I can spend more time attending to questions and diving deeper in to a topic with someone because my attention isn't divided between the person and my equipment.

Thinking back to when I did interpretive work for the Forest Service I can't imagine having had to entertain and inform an audience and at the same time keep a close watch on hundreds or thousands of dollars of hardware.

All that being said I'm still up for the idea of sharing views through my scopes with responsible adults.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | (show all)


Extra information
0 registered and 2 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  Cotts, tecmage 

Print Thread

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled


Thread views: 15262

Jump to

CN Forums Home


Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics