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Tonk
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Tonk]
      #6222096 - 11/28/13 06:11 PM

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well one hopes that the "popular" media will learn




Well its a mistake they like repeating.

When I was at uni in the late 70's anyone really struggling on the course and wanting to transfer was told to take up science journalism - go figure


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Alan French
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Tonk]
      #6222207 - 11/28/13 07:35 PM

It wasn't just the popular media. Some web sites devoted to space and astronomy were full of hyperbole too.

The popular media often resorts to hyperbole. It attracts readers, which means money, so they are unlikely to learn from this "mistake."

Clear skies, Alan

Edited by Alan French (11/28/13 07:48 PM)


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kevin M13
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Alan French]
      #6222229 - 11/28/13 07:45 PM

Just like the WC naming winer storms.

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: kevin M13]
      #6222323 - 11/28/13 08:44 PM

I think you folks are being pretty hard on the media. I think they were pretty fair, there was a lot of "if this" or "maybe." I would rather the media hype it and get people out there looking up then the opposite.... an impressive object/event that gets totally ignored.

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Dave M
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #6222338 - 11/28/13 08:54 PM

Science channel airs a special/program on 12/07 at 10pm EST called Super Comet. Just sayin I Guess now they will have to focus more on its probable demise, unfortunately.

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Tonk]
      #6222340 - 11/28/13 08:55 PM

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I guess there is no hope of seeing a Halley's type comet again in my lifetime




Sounds like you missed Ikeya-Zhang and C/2006 P1 McNaught both recent and bright with tails





Both were naked eye and had long tails????


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ur7x
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Tonk]
      #6222383 - 11/28/13 09:26 PM

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I guess there is no hope of seeing a Halley's type comet again in my lifetime




Sounds like you missed Ikeya-Zhang and C/2006 P1 McNaught both recent and bright with tails




And Hale-Bopp too... They aren't that rare, seems that a nice comet comes along every 10 years or so. Though ISON proved to be a huge disappointment... But then so did Halley for anyone north of the equator in 1987


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Alan French
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #6222420 - 11/28/13 09:54 PM

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I think you folks are being pretty hard on the media. I think they were pretty fair, there was a lot of "if this" or "maybe." I would rather the media hype it and get people out there looking up then the opposite.... an impressive object/event that gets totally ignored.




The media deserves some harsh words. Here's an early article.

I've been doing outreach for decades, and I don't think we do the hobby any favors by getting people excited about events that turn out to be duds. Better to be pessimistic and have people pleasantly surprised than to disappoint. With today's Internet, Twitter, and other very immediate ways to communicate, it's easy to get the word out late in the game.

Clear skies, Alan


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Alan French]
      #6222437 - 11/28/13 10:01 PM

I agree this comet was WAY over hyped by the Media... But then for those of us old enough to remember Comet Kohoutek... This is old hat. Of course my dad did buy me my first telescope in anticipation of Kohoutek... and I bought my first real telescope about 5 years before Halley. I bet a lot of telescope purchases are driven by "disappointing" comets.

I guess the good news is that I no longer will be packing my mount, OTA and imaging gear to Haleakala this Christmas vacation... Just the 15x70 Binoculars.


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: ur7x]
      #6222448 - 11/28/13 10:08 PM

It's impossible not to disappoint the public. Even a truly great comet will disappoint them. The Western public has remarkably simplistic and romantic ideas about what to expect. The media outlets feed such ideas regarding all subjects, not just astronomy. It is no surprise that the people get disappointed. These are people who think the sky is up and exists only at night.

For all the talk of Kahoutek being a dud, it sure seems to have generated a great amount of science at the time.


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Glen A W]
      #6222462 - 11/28/13 10:18 PM

Not to mention all of the fun that end-of-day folks had with it too

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rookie
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Alan French]
      #6222471 - 11/28/13 10:26 PM

I do think we do the hobby favors by getting people excited about astronomy, even if the event turns out to be a surprise. So many people were captivated by this comet, including Nasa and the ESA. SOHO, LASCO, and Messenger were watching too. Our astronomy club is full of retirees and has fewer children. We need to get our kids and youth excited about astronomy, ask questions and learn about science. None of us know the future for ourselves or the outcomes of objects like comets. We are also viewers enabled by the quality of our skies. It's one of life lessons, and it does not have to diminish the journey.

On the other hand, I'm still grumpy about being clouded out for the transit of Venus.


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: rookie]
      #6222473 - 11/28/13 10:30 PM

No matter how this ends, it's been a fun ride the past few months. I personally hope there is something to see in the morning sky next week, but I'm happy just watching the orbiting observatories take their pictures. It goes to show we still don't know how everything works. Today's events are the best thing that could have happened. People will be analyzing this for years.

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Glen A W]
      #6222478 - 11/28/13 10:32 PM Attachment (38 downloads)

Even though Kahoutek was labeled a dud, at least it was somewhat visible to the naked eye. This old photo was taken from Charleston AFB., S.C. ( Right after Sunset ) The Tri-X film was developed and printed In a home darkroom.

Edited by Vince Tramazzo (11/28/13 10:35 PM)


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Vince Tramazzo]
      #6222503 - 11/28/13 10:55 PM

4 possible scenarios for ISON

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: krp]
      #6222533 - 11/28/13 11:15 PM

My gut tells me ISON not only survived but will be a good little comet to view. I dont think it will be this spectacular comet of the century that has been hyped. It will emerge from the glow of the sun as great sky object for those with telescopes and binoculars. Maybe even a naked eye comet but not a sky dazzler to the non-astronomy folks. Astrophotographers are going to have fun with this little engine that could.

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Starhunter249]
      #6222805 - 11/29/13 04:24 AM

I really wanted ISON to survive. Ive been following ISON since it was just a tiny dot in my C14. It was very fun to observe and watch every clear weekend that I could get out.
I usually get attached to these comets the more time I spend with them. I loved all the scientific coverage it received also. ISON made all of us comet observers feel very special. Many I worked with would ask me on a daily basis as to how ISON was doing. It also became my favorite wallpaper on my computer, to always find a unique photo of it.
It was exciting, and almost sad to see it dive into the sun. My daughter and wife were also sad to see its last flight as it got eaten up by the sun also.
It was definitely fun, and one we will now be talking about, as another spectacular comet we had fun observing and following!

...Ralph


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Alan French
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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Glen A W]
      #6223123 - 11/29/13 10:36 AM

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It's impossible not to disappoint the public. Even a truly great comet will disappoint them. The Western public has remarkably simplistic and romantic ideas about what to expect. The media outlets feed such ideas regarding all subjects, not just astronomy. It is no surprise that the people get disappointed. These are people who think the sky is up and exists only at night.

For all the talk of Kahoutek being a dud, it sure seems to have generated a great amount of science at the time.




I disagree. Many people enjoy a good comet. We had a huge crowd at our observing site for Hale-Bopp, and they were very excited.

Just this past summer, I bumped into a motel owner who, knowing my interest in astronomy, was fondly recalling a night she and some friends spent watching the Leonids the year they put on such a marvelous show.

There are a lot of folks who are in no sense amateur astronomers, but enjoy the night sky and celestial events. \

Clear skies, Alan

Edited by Alan French (11/29/13 10:41 AM)


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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: Alan French]
      #6223165 - 11/29/13 10:59 AM

I'm enjoying watching the scientists scratch their heads. Just when we think we have things figured out.......the heavens throw us a curveball. For us science nerds, this is pretty entertaining.

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Re: ISON will survive! new [Re: OldDeadOne]
      #6223194 - 11/29/13 11:18 AM

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I guess there is no hope of seeing a Halley's type comet again in my lifetime(I was mesmerized night after night just looking at it),and I was really hoping that ISON would be that comet,I'm totally crushed.




Sure there is! Didn't you see the back-to-back Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp in '96-97? Both stomped all over the last Halley's Comet appearance. The next big 'un could show up any time.


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