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DaveL
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New Global Light Pollution Atlas
      #6090747 - 09/19/13 10:16 PM

I've just calculated a new light pollution atlas from 2006 satellite data. You can find it here:

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dlorenz/web/astronomy/lp2006/

Enjoy!
Dave


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Phillip Creed
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6090969 - 09/20/13 01:15 AM

Dave,

Good to hear from you. The 2001 maps you generated made quite a splash.

Any chance you could put them in a Google-Maps format?

Clear Skies,
Phil


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #6091031 - 09/20/13 02:37 AM

Take a look at North Korea...

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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #6091463 - 09/20/13 10:25 AM

Hi Phil,

I'll try but the maps are kind of big. I think there may be more advanced ways of putting them in Google Maps that makes the image sizes more manageable. I'll have to look into this.

-Dave


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: darknesss]
      #6091483 - 09/20/13 10:37 AM

Yes, it's amazing the contrast with South Korea. Although not as pronounced, look at Myanmar (Burma), Laos and Cambodia.

At the opposite extreme, check out the oil and gas fields in northern Russia (south and east of the Gulf of Ob), the Persian Gulf, the Niger Delta and the mouth of the Congo. 2006 is too early for the big boom in the Bakken formation (western North Dakota), but I think this is about as bright as northern Russia at this point (although obviously not as extensive).

Also, look at the border between India and Pakistan.


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: darknesss]
      #6092908 - 09/21/13 07:22 AM

Quote:

Take a look at North Korea...




Kind of far to drive.


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Illinois
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Asbytec]
      #6092918 - 09/21/13 07:38 AM

Davet

VERY NICE and GREAT JOB!


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Illinois]
      #6094750 - 09/22/13 10:03 AM

Thanks!

Good news, the atlas is now available from my site in Google Maps! I've just learned all about tiling in Google maps, so the whole world is at one link. This is probably the easiest way to see the data.

Also, unfortunately there was an error within 5 degrees latitude of the equator. Light pollution was being "reflected" across the equator. The problem is now FIXED. Sorry.

-Dave


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Phillip Creed
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6095072 - 09/22/13 01:30 PM

In Ohio, it looks like the countryside got a little brighter in 2006 vs. 2001, while the cities stayed the same or even got a little darker, particularly Wooster, Dover/New Philadelphia and the central regions of Columbus and Akron.

I'm suspicious about the amount of light pollution depicted around Grantsville, WV, though. That area is *very* dark at night with a small light dome around Grantsville itself, yet this map shows a stream of "dark green" extending all along SR-16 south for about 15 miles.

Was this data taken on a football night in the fall? The local high school does have home games at a site about 6 miles south of Grantsville.

Clear Skies,
Phil


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #6095116 - 09/22/13 01:55 PM

Hi Phil,

The satellite data is a composite over all available cloud free, new moon nights. I actually asked the data providers if there was any additional information about when the observations were taken because I was concerned about snow and there really is no more available information (that doesn't involve reprocessing all the data all over again, I assume).

Do you have SQM measurements from the Grantsville area? The area outside Grantville is indeed very dark (dark blue) and it makes sense that it would be brighter along the highway to the south. The atlas could very well be off but the relative darkness does appear to make sense.

-Dave


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6095177 - 09/22/13 02:42 PM

Thanks!

Looks great in Google maps.

One last request... A downloadable Google Earth overlay?


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CelestronDaddy
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6095681 - 09/22/13 08:08 PM

Dave, Wow this is really nice! I guess this is what progress gets us as concerning light pollution. Boy I grew up in west Texas in the 60's and early 70's. Man it was dark and boy what a view. Have to get out to Ft. Davis area to get what we had back then! Thanks again for putting this out... Tony

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corpusse
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: CelestronDaddy]
      #6095728 - 09/22/13 08:42 PM

Is there a new colour chart? There seems to be dark red and light red and dark blue and light blue.

According to this I'm no longer in the white zone but in the red zone (within walking distance of white) which I find a little interesting considering between 2001-2006 there was a lot more development in this area. Also between 2006-now there has been still even more so it probably has switched back to white.


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: corpusse]
      #6096800 - 09/23/13 01:05 PM

Yes, the number of colors has been doubled so you can better see where the darkest areas are. I divided each color zone into two. For example, the green zone is divided into the dark green zone and the light green zone. Here's the link:

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/dlorenz/web/astronomy/lp2006/colors.html

-Dave


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6102732 - 09/26/13 05:29 PM


in another thread i was asking about this couple of months ago.


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mountain monk
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: maakhand]
      #6103086 - 09/26/13 09:29 PM

I hates it, I hates it, I hates it forever!!! It downgraded my blue site to green.

Nice job.

Dark skies.

Jack


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Phillip Creed
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: mountain monk]
      #6103411 - 09/27/13 01:29 AM

It appears that a lot of cities have actually improved (darkened) in Ohio. I don't have any SQM data to verify this, but I do know my skies have not deteriorated any bit in the past decade I've lived in Canton.

It does appear that fast-growing corridors in the southern states have deteriorated, especially the Piedmont regions of VA, NC and Georgia. Deerlick Astronomy Village looks like it's been downgraded into a "green" zone from a "blue zone".

Clear Skies,
Phil


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derangedhermit
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #6104538 - 09/27/13 04:33 PM

It may not be very useful to attempt detailed comparisons between the 2001 and 2006 maps. I think the great value of the map from 2006 data is as a more-current standalone LP guide - along with the enhancements Dave has made to integrate Google maps and add colors.

For inspection within a given map, I found the 2001 gray scale maps most useful, due to the greater granularity.

Dave, thanks for taking the time once again to do this work.


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6104598 - 09/27/13 05:10 PM

Everything in florida has been downgraded. Bummer.

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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: derangedhermit]
      #6104703 - 09/27/13 06:18 PM

Quote:

It may not be very useful to attempt detailed comparisons between the 2001 and 2006 maps.




Yes, I'd be very wary of comparing maps made from different data. First of all, there's an inevitable problem of calibrating new satellite measurements against old. More subtly, there are bound to be both systematic and random variations due to the times when the satellite measurements were made.

The systematic variations come from things like snow -- it's known that the original 1997 maps made northern areas seem much worse than they really are due to snow cover.

The random variation could come from things like the time of night when the measurements were taken. Artificial skyglow invariably decreases -- often by a factor of two or more -- from early evening to predawn as more lights are turned off and fewer cars drive the roads. So an area that just happens to have been imaged at 4 a.m. will look darker than an identical area that was imaged at 10 p.m.

I would expect only really strong trends to be reliably recorded. For instance, the really substantial population growth in the South and Southwest -- or in resort towns like Jackson, WY.

I imagine that the Midwest rust belt, like the Northeast, has remained broadly the same over the last 15 years, because both area's populations have remained much the same. Except in a few rapidly growing outer suburbs.


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6108232 - 09/29/13 09:23 PM

I definitely agree. I think you can only believe the trends in the light pollution maps if the trends are really big. Otherwise, the signal isn't big enough compared to the noise--so you can't be sure that the differences you are seeing are real light pollution or issues with satellite calibration, processing, plus the things Tony mentioned.

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Phillip Creed
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6108366 - 09/29/13 10:39 PM

I still find a bit odd that all of Ohio's major cities seemed to have "improved" (darkened) by about a half-zone. Could the lesser resolution of earlier data (1997, 2001) explain this?

Canton, OH, is in the bright red in 2006, but white in 2001. Columbus has a core of white, but mostly bright red, in 2006. In 2001, it was white all the way out to I-270. Toledo and Dayton had white zones in 2001 that are roughly equal in size the bright red zones in their downtown regions in the 2006 atlas.

Clear Skies,
Phil


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DaveL
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: Phillip Creed]
      #6109060 - 09/30/13 11:05 AM

I don't know why the bright areas have gotten darker according to the new data. The most obvious difference is that the 2006 data seems to pick up very weak light sources that are not present in the other data-sets. But this difference doesn't really have anything to do with the bright areas. I think all the satellites of this type have the same overpass time, so the issue doesn't involve that. Instead it must involve either satellite calibration or the processing of the raw satellite data. Since bright areas got darker and dark areas got brighter, I don't think calibration is the issue, instead I think it must be the data processing techniques.

I have just been comparing the 2006 data to some published CCD measurements over a wide range of sky conditions in Italy. The biggest errors between the light pollution atlas and the real data are in bright areas. It turns out that the bright areas are actually much brighter than suggested by the 2006 light pollution atlas, which suggests that maybe the 2001 data is closer to the truth in the bright cities. I'll try to post this soon, but first I want to check a few things.

-Dave

Edited by DaveL (09/30/13 11:09 AM)


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etatcloudy
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: DaveL]
      #6449202 - 04/05/14 03:30 PM

Thanks so much for the update!!, would like to get the data into google earth. Easy to add the north america map as an overlay now just need to plug in the correct info on the location tab. Anyone know what's the location of the map?

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etatcloudy
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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: etatcloudy]
      #6449917 - 04/05/14 11:26 PM

So add image overlay using the NorthAmerica2006.png then for location use,
North 74°59'18.29"N
South 7° 0'5.54"N
East 51° 1'32.63"W
West 180° 0'0.00"W

Eyeballed but seems to work ok..


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: etatcloudy]
      #6450127 - 04/06/14 01:35 AM

My area in the central Sierra Nevada seems to be much the same. Still dark blue.

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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: TCW]
      #6462119 - 04/12/14 01:12 PM

Amazing, thanks, I like the new blues, greens, yellows, etc

Edited by NorthWolf (04/12/14 01:14 PM)


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Re: New Global Light Pollution Atlas new [Re: etatcloudy]
      #6468200 - 04/15/14 05:58 PM

Quote:

So add image overlay using the NorthAmerica2006.png then for location use,
North 74°59'18.29"N
South 7° 0'5.54"N
East 51° 1'32.63"W
West 180° 0'0.00"W

Eyeballed but seems to work ok..




Just did this and it seems good. Close enough to find my local dark areas IMHO.


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