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SATMAN
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Any Body Out There Have any Experience with The Questar Tristand? Just Ordered One, kind of got concened with using it with my Leitz tiltall tripod. considering its almost at its maximum support weight.
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RRavneberg
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I love mine.
I have an aluminum pier for use in the back yard, but the TriStand gets used for all other observing with the Questar.
I don't like the accessory tray supplied, which seems to bear no relationship to the accessories one uses and is of a considerably lower level of "finish," so I built my own to match my accessories.
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RRavneberg
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Here's the replacement accessory tray.
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Suk Lee
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Another Questar toy of beauty.
Nice.
Suk
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SATMAN
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Thanks for the info Ron, I think I made a good choice then I just didnt trust putting that telescope on a camera tripod. May be by the time it arrives the weather will clear up for observing, it seems like since the Questar arrived Dec 21, the weather has been horrible! the proverbial new telescope curse.
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CELESTRON SUPER C8 PLUS
VIXEN 90 CUSTOM REFRACTOR ALTAZ. MOUNT
QUESTAR 3.5 STANDARD POWER GUIDE II ON TRISTAND
CORONADO PST DOUBLE STACKED
BRANDON 94mm f/7 ON VIXEN POLARIS MOUNT
VINTAGE ORANGE TUBE C-90 ASTRO (CIRCA 1978)
VIXEN PORTA MOUNT, QUARTER HALF HITCH MOUNT
BRANDON EYEPIECE SET (circa 1986) 8,12,16,24,32, 2.4X DAKIN BARLOW
VARIOUS NAGLERS 3-6 ZOOM,7,9,11,13,16,24PANOPTIC
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Hyperbolic
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How does the scope base attach to that flying-saucer thing? How did you make that nice accessory tray? Do you have a machine shop or a good friend?
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RRavneberg
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Quote:
How does the scope base attach to that flying-saucer thing? How did you make that nice accessory tray? Do you have a machine shop or a good friend?
The tray sits on the same support ring that holds the tray that is supplied with the Tri-Stand. I simply slipped the original off, dropped the new one on and screwed it holes I tapped in the support ring.
Nothing so fancy. It's actually Baltic birch plywood cut on a router, painted with Rust-Oleum satin black spray paint, and overcoated with a spray clear overcoat.
Here's a shot of my first one. I replaced it when I got the set of flat-top Questar Brandons that included the matching 6mm. I then needed another eyepiece hole so I made another tray in an evening.
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RRavneberg
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Here's a shot of another Tri-Stand that shows the support ring I was talking about. You can also see the loose original accessory tray.
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BYoesle
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I use the Questar tilt head with a Berlebach Uni 14 wood tripod, and it is very stable and steady...
-------------------- Bob Yoesle
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NeilR
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I have the older style tri-stand with removable legs stowed in the pier. It has a 0-60 degree wedge, rather than the standard 30-90, old style with all metal knobs.
I really like the tr-stand concept, very in keeping with Braymer's clean functional approach, I think, although he liked his picnic tables 
I usually set up indoors and then carry everything outdoors. Carry it back in when I'm done and let it dry out before packing the Q away in it's case. I can't explain exactly why, but it just feels much better than a tripod. This includes set up, take down and observing. In particular, I don't feel like I'm in danger of getting tangled in my tripod legs, as when I use my G1410, although it's more a psychological thing than a real issue with the photo legs.
Some people use old 8" SCT legs and wedges. I have an old set from a brand of ill repute so it will go unmentioned here, and prior to getting the tri-stand I used it. I've never had those old 1960's style heavy duty picnic tables to work from with just the supplied legs. Modern patio furniture just doesn't cut it. Anyway, the problem I had with the SCT wedge is that, when I am facing South in the standard observing position, the wedge is well on the other side. The result is that the little Q is too far forward for comfort. I'm leaning forward when I want to be well balanced. I don't know if this is unique to my legs and wedge, but I suspect it could be an issue with most SCT wedges since they all have more or less the same geometry and were designed for a fork and instrument that hung much further forward at your usual mid-latitudes. Just a point of research before going that path. The tri-stand is also more stable yet smaller and lighter, or at least the perception is that it is lighter because of it's compact geometry. There have been discussions here about the true weight of the tri-stand, which is apparently much higher than the published weight, somewhere around 24LB or so. While it wasn't fun carrying it through the journey to Aruba, for most use and certainly backyard use, it doesn't feel heavy at all, even with a Q on top. It carries quite well and there is no need (or ability) to retract or skinny the leg stance down to get it through the house and doorway. It's part of the reason that I think the overall design is somewhat ingenious in very subtle ways that can only be appreciated with use.
I also have a Gitzo G1410 and Markins M20 ballhead which I have used on occasion. The tripod is mainly for normal photography. I much prefer the tri-stand. I use a cheap old folding card table chair (remember those?); the height is perfect for me and very comfortable.
I find the altitude and azimuth adjustments easy to set precisely without too much creep or droop. I have a peculiar problem with my head where the two altitude tension adjustment screws seem to be too close to the long arcing geared teeth on the wedge. If I screw them in all the way, the metal screws contact the teeth, which is not good. My adjustment screws have white non-metal spring loaded tips. I can get a little tension on the spring before they encroach on the rail teeth. Probably just enough but I would like a little more. It might remove the little bit of droop I get when I set the altitude. I make up for the tension with some finger pressure. Not a huge deal but in such an otherwise exquisitely engineered device, it's an annoyance. I'd be curious to know how others find the adjustment screw spacing in relation to the toothed rail, especially in heads from other eras. Just out of curiosity, I guess. Seems to me that the screws should be 1/16" or so lower in the head to better clear the teeth.
Just for general knowledge, the Tri-stand heads can be problematic when used with a DSLR or other larger camera, and maybe even a P&S (don't recall the clearance with my CP 995 off the top of my head). The problem is the camera running into the "tail" on the wedge. This problem, I suspect, is exacerbated with 0-60 degree wedges because I think the tails are longer (but not sure because I've never seen mine next to a standard 30-90). For example, with a Nikon D200 attached directly to the swivel coupling, I can not get above 12-14 degrees declination when pointing South. I suspect a 30-90 wedge might get me another 10 degrees or so, but not sure. Paradoxically, although Tr-Stands are considered to be more important for photographic use (due to their increased stability compared to all but the most beefy tripods), I have been doing my astro photography from the G1410 just to ensure I have clearance. Something to consider and a point of research if one were to run into a 0-60 wedge used, as I did. In my case I put it to good use down in Aruba for the 1998 Solar Eclipse, but since then would have preferred a 30-90 wedge. Another minor drawback to the 0-60 wedge is that since it cannot be placed for 90 degrees declination, it cannot be set horizontally for easiest and safest mounting of the Q (and as recommended by Questar, I believe). I just have to hold the Q carefully with one hand as I screw in the 1/4-20 with the other, being very careful to make sure it's really screwed in before I let go 
I've never dropped the Q (knock on wood) but it's one reason I like to set it up either indoors or before dusk.
One other issue worth mentioning is "stability" because my assessment is different than others, bassed on threads I have read. Some consider the Tri-stand to be "more stable", in the context of more difficult to knock over. I disagree, but only because my reference of comparison is the rather large and heavy G1410. With a smaller tripod, such as a Gitzo Series 2, that may not be the case. The G1410 has a very wide leg stance and I think it's more difficult to knock over a mount with a wide leg stance. if I were setting up in a public area, I would set my G1410 up so that it is at eye level for most adults (anyone 5'0" or taller). Taller = wide leg stance. While I think the tri-stand is surprisingly stable considering it's very narrow leg stance, there are physical limits. This is a double edged sword because the relatively short legs in the pier configuration is what makes it so easy to move about and through the house when fully assembled. I rarely have people around when I observe, so, for me, it is a good trade-off. I also want to point ou thtat htis is my perception, not something I have tested. I am just not fully comfortable with the tri-stand around other people. Having a tripod alternative solution, I just do what makes the most sense at the time.
P.S. I think this is my first post here. Nice forum and made for some entertaining reading this past weekend! I also have Q7 with fork mount, but that is another story for another thread...
Regards, Neil
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RRavneberg
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Welcome, Neil. Quite a post for your first shot! Very nice.
As for the Tri-Stand adjustment ... my altitude adjustment arrangement is like yours, and it also just barely fits. However, upon looking closely at the screws I wonder if the center tension adjustment might be adjustable independently of the larger surrounding screw. The hex appears like it might move the center portion only, although I haven't tried adjusting it. (This has got to make absolutely no sense at all to those who don't have Tri-Stands. Sorry.)
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RRavneberg
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This may help a bit.
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NeilR
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Thanks, Ron. It would be nice if the spring tension were adjustable. Glad you enjoyed my "review"!
Neil
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SATMAN
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Looking at all the pictures and reading all the excellent information is not helping my patience waiting for the tristand to arrive, I ordered it on feb. 7, now I cant wait to get it! Same thing happened with my Q3.5 grecieved it in only three weeks. alas it has been cloudy almost every night since getting it. The new telescope curse! thanks for all the information it is really appreciated
-------------------- CELESTRON/VIXEN C102 GP REFRACTOR
CELESTRON SUPER C8 PLUS
VIXEN 90 CUSTOM REFRACTOR ALTAZ. MOUNT
QUESTAR 3.5 STANDARD POWER GUIDE II ON TRISTAND
CORONADO PST DOUBLE STACKED
BRANDON 94mm f/7 ON VIXEN POLARIS MOUNT
VINTAGE ORANGE TUBE C-90 ASTRO (CIRCA 1978)
VIXEN PORTA MOUNT, QUARTER HALF HITCH MOUNT
BRANDON EYEPIECE SET (circa 1986) 8,12,16,24,32, 2.4X DAKIN BARLOW
VARIOUS NAGLERS 3-6 ZOOM,7,9,11,13,16,24PANOPTIC
ETHOS 6mm, 10mm
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GR1973
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What about Bogen super tripod # 19345 which is recommended by Questar???I do not Know which is better specially for travelling and stability??
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SATMAN
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Does anyone know what the current delivery time is for a tristand from Questar ? At this time 3 weeks and waiting.
-------------------- CELESTRON/VIXEN C102 GP REFRACTOR
CELESTRON SUPER C8 PLUS
VIXEN 90 CUSTOM REFRACTOR ALTAZ. MOUNT
QUESTAR 3.5 STANDARD POWER GUIDE II ON TRISTAND
CORONADO PST DOUBLE STACKED
BRANDON 94mm f/7 ON VIXEN POLARIS MOUNT
VINTAGE ORANGE TUBE C-90 ASTRO (CIRCA 1978)
VIXEN PORTA MOUNT, QUARTER HALF HITCH MOUNT
BRANDON EYEPIECE SET (circa 1986) 8,12,16,24,32, 2.4X DAKIN BARLOW
VARIOUS NAGLERS 3-6 ZOOM,7,9,11,13,16,24PANOPTIC
ETHOS 6mm, 10mm
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Neil,
Have you compared vibration damping with the Questar on the Tristand compared to the Questar on the heavier tripod? I'm talking about a simple rap on the tube or the tripod, or any noticable shimmy when focusing. I may finally break down and get a Tristand but I'm also considering a Berlbach UNI 14 as pictured above. I already have the Tristand head, but not the base.
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NeilR
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Larry, my Tri-Stand is much more stable than the G1410. I don't recall specific tap decay times. I should add that when I do set up on the G1410 I set up at eye level while standing. If I set up the G1410 for use in a chair, same height as the Tri-stand, it might be a more comparable test. I should do that some time.
I use a Markins M20 ballhead on the G1410 to do the polar tilt. I attach a Wimberly 5.5" Arca-Swiss plate to the Q's base. Those plates are only an inch wide. I've never tried to attach the Tri-Stand's wedge to the G1410. Not sure how I would even go about doing that. I think Questar sells a bottom plate adapter now, but I don't have that.
Neil
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BYoesle
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While I don't have any direct experience with the Tristand, in my decision making process I considered whether a relatively fixed height or adjustable height was more desirable, the dampening properties of wood vs. metal, and the effect of a greater leg spread on stability might have.
To adapt the Questar tilt-head to the Uni 14 tripod, I made a simple adapter ring:
-------------------- Bob Yoesle
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NeilR
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It would be interesting to test the Tri-Stand next to the Berlebach...
Neil
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SATMAN
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Just recieved my tristand what a great piece of equipment! I am really impressed with the workmans ship and stability of the mount. I only have 1 question why are there 2 latitude scales? just curious , I used the one that match the same angle as my c8 mount
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CELESTRON SUPER C8 PLUS
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QUESTAR 3.5 STANDARD POWER GUIDE II ON TRISTAND
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BRANDON 94mm f/7 ON VIXEN POLARIS MOUNT
VINTAGE ORANGE TUBE C-90 ASTRO (CIRCA 1978)
VIXEN PORTA MOUNT, QUARTER HALF HITCH MOUNT
BRANDON EYEPIECE SET (circa 1986) 8,12,16,24,32, 2.4X DAKIN BARLOW
VARIOUS NAGLERS 3-6 ZOOM,7,9,11,13,16,24PANOPTIC
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NeilR
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I have an older head with only one scale. I suspect that the 2nd scale shows true lattitude if you have the optional 26 degree wedge installed. If I'm right, that is a nice feature if you have the wedge, but probably a little confusing if you don't.
Out of curiosity, did it come with a manual? If it did, it should be discussed in the manual.
Neil
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Neil, the only manual shipped with it was the the same as the questar telescope manual. Just a diagram with minimal information. The upper scale reads 30 to 90 degrees, the lower scale reads 10 to 70 degrees.
-------------------- CELESTRON/VIXEN C102 GP REFRACTOR
CELESTRON SUPER C8 PLUS
VIXEN 90 CUSTOM REFRACTOR ALTAZ. MOUNT
QUESTAR 3.5 STANDARD POWER GUIDE II ON TRISTAND
CORONADO PST DOUBLE STACKED
BRANDON 94mm f/7 ON VIXEN POLARIS MOUNT
VINTAGE ORANGE TUBE C-90 ASTRO (CIRCA 1978)
VIXEN PORTA MOUNT, QUARTER HALF HITCH MOUNT
BRANDON EYEPIECE SET (circa 1986) 8,12,16,24,32, 2.4X DAKIN BARLOW
VARIOUS NAGLERS 3-6 ZOOM,7,9,11,13,16,24PANOPTIC
ETHOS 6mm, 10mm
ZEISS 10X40B/GA T*P* BINOCULARS
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NeilR
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I downloaded and enlarged Ron's image above of his folded up tri-stand, which has a good view of the head. Take a look above; I assume your head's scales are identical to his.
Questar lists part# 19339A "Low Latitude Wedge 26 ° wedge adapter plate to attach to tilt head for latitudes less than 30 °. Weight 2 lbs...$172.00
That wedge reduces the effective lattitude by 26 °. The two scales are offset by 26 °. Looking at Ron's image, I see that, for example, 36 ° on the upper scale corresponds to 10 ° on the lower scale, and so on. Note the offset of 26 °, equal to the wedge angle. My older head (on a tri-stand with stow-away legs, not folding legs) has only one scale, which requires some math (subtracting 26 ° from the indicated reading). The dual scale is a nice feature if you happen to have and use that wedge. In your case, just ignore the lower scale.
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RRavneberg
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Actually, the "two-scale" Tri-Stand isn't mine. I also have only one scale on mine.
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