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#2594591 - 08/21/08 04:34 AM
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I am researching discovery telescopes as they seem to be the perfect budget fit for me.
I was originally looking at a meade 16" lightbridge, but im very turned off by having to buy all the accessories that should be standard and are so on the discovery and other higher end dobsonians.
The Orion XX12 looks nice, but i need at least a 16" reflector. I of course would love to get a custom scope from obsession or teeter or star-master, but these things require older man type bank accounts, which is something i don't quite have yet. Besides, by the time i get a really high end dobsonian of crazy aperture, i want to be a dobsonian pro, knowing all there is to know about how to perfectly care for the telescope. If im making a 4k-6k dollar investment, i wana make sure i know how to handle the machine.
I can either consider the 17.5 f/4.1 split tube version: http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1-600-628-1106-6544
or the 15" f/5 Truss tube verion for 200 dollars less. http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=1-600-628-1106-933
My compact sports sedan doesn't have that large of a trunk, but maybe i could fit the two pieces of the split 17.5" into it, while boxed up. Then again, 17.5 inches could be quite huge for one person to set up.
The truss tube version seems like a better alternative in terms of transportability. It seems that the truss tube breaks down into a much smaller package than the split tube. Of course, i would be saving 200 dollars, but giving up 2.5 inches of apeture. But on the good side, this truss model is F/5 which needs no coma corrector. The split tube is F/4.1 which might show a little coma on edge of field.
Does anyone here have these telescopes? What is your impression of them, are they as high quality as they claim? I love the fact that they actually include a shroud with their telescope, who woulda thunk it?
The only modification i can think of that this would need, or accessory rather, is the light shields that come standard on obsession dobs. Astrozap makes these, but i dont see any 15" or 17.5" models, seems these are all catered to fit the meade lightbridge sizes: http://www.telescopes.com/telescope-accessories/dew-prevention/lightshields.cfm
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Bart Wide
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#2594657 - 08/21/08 06:57 AM
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Hi,
I do not know much about these telescopes but I know that a 17.5 incher will be really heavy and especially huge. So you would really have to consider this as well.
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Alpheratz
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#2594664 - 08/21/08 07:14 AM
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Hi. You have seen the recent treads on discovery scopes here in the reflector forum, i guess? Check out this review on the 17.5" pdhq: http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=1705
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BluewaterObserva
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#2595045 - 08/21/08 10:53 AM
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I have a Discovery 17.5" F/4.1 DHQ as I will lable it. Order it by phone. I have confidence that if they take your order you will eventually get a scope.
Man has that been one fine scope, No issues in like 8 years. I only use the OTA on an EQ mount though.
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JakeJ
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#2595185 - 08/21/08 12:19 PM
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The 15" Truss is a very nice scope.
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hoof
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#2595417 - 08/21/08 02:16 PM
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I own the 15" F/4.2 'scope (mine ended up being F/4.14). After much research (and experience with a Discovery 12.5" mirror set in another 'scope), I chose them for my next big 'scope. One of the factors (for me) was the base's dimensions, as I had to fit the 'scope in the seat well of my convertable. No other manufacturer's 15" seemed to fit from the dimensions on their website.
Discovery's optics are supurb, rivalling other bigger names. Terry Ostahowski does the final polish and figuring for their 'scopes. I have yet to hear someone say they weren't satisfied with their Discovery.
That said, the company is notorious for it's lengthy delivery times (I got mine in 4 months, others have waited 15 months), and lack of response to queries (via email and other routes). Always, always take their delivery time quotes with a grain of salt. And when you try to contact Bill over there, don't expect him to respond (he's hit and miss on this). And I have heard that some people who cancelled their order had a hard time getting their money back in a timely manner. OTOH, I have never heard of anyone not getting their 'scope, and the end product is worth it, IMO.
Alternately, you could pay substantially more and get an Obsession within a month. But you pay more. Discovery fills a niche between the mass-produced 'scopes and the ultra-premium 'scopes. And for me, who considers the performance at the eyepiece and the motions of the 'scope above all else, they deliver on what I care about.
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Another option is to buy used as I did.Mine is in mint condition, both structure and optics,the truss design is the only way to go for a scope this size,if you want to transport it,here is mine...
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#2595452 - 08/21/08 02:36 PM Attachment (79 downloads)
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....and it loads up in the back of my vehicle,with all accessories, no problem...
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#2595532 - 08/21/08 03:17 PM
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Terry Ostahowski does the final polish and figuring for their 'scopes.
This is not necessarily true. When I called Terry and talked to him in regards to his mirrors, he told me if I bought a Discovery he could not assure me the primary would be made by him. It might be his, it might not.
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JakeJ
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#2595595 - 08/21/08 03:54 PM
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Terry Ostahowski does the final polish and figuring for their 'scopes.
This is not necessarily true.
When I called Terry and talked to him in regards to his mirrors, he told me if I bought a Discovery he could not assure me the primary would be made by him.
It might be his, it might not.
Several years ago, you used to be able to pay Discovery an extra fee for a hand selected "premium" mirror. These were the Terry O. mirrors - I have one in my 12.5" and it is an excellent performer.
I don't know if Discovery still does this practice.
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Scott Ayer
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#2595601 - 08/21/08 03:59 PM
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I used to own a 10" PDHQ dob . the mirror was exceptional in it. I loved the scope but it was to dang heavy. I have heard nothing but great things about Discovery's optics. Just be prepared to wait a while for delivery.
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hoof
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#2595993 - 08/21/08 07:57 PM
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Terry Ostahowski does the final polish and figuring for their 'scopes.
This is not necessarily true. When I called Terry and talked to him in regards to his mirrors, he told me if I bought a Discovery he could not assure me the primary would be made by him. It might be his, it might not.
As of last January, Bill was telling me (when I went to pick up the 'scope) that Discovery does the coarse grind, sometimes the fine grind, and Terry does the final figuring. Discovery also does their own coating now. If he's lying, I'm sure Terry would be a bit peeved. But there's a big difference between doing the whole mirror and just doing the fine polish at the end (and it takes a whole lot less time).
In addition, there's nothing stating that Discovery couldn't sell non-Terry mirrors. Thus, Terry can't guarantee that the optics in the Discovery 'scopes are his
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Brooklyn
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#2596212 - 08/22/08 05:40 AM
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Nope sorry, this breaks the deal for me. I cant handle a ridiculously long waiting period, one month is already long enough. 
You guys are right, split tube designs are horrid. I read the cloudy nights review, what a nightmare! I could never haul that thing around, truss is the ONLY way to go.
So I don't see that much reliability in discovery now, so ill hold off on my decision on them for now. Looks like ill need to be saving some more pennies for a 18" ultra compact or classic. I like the looks of the classic more than the UC, but darn that little thing sure looks comfortable to use.
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#2596290 - 08/22/08 08:02 AM
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Why don't you look into the used market for a Dob?
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Patrick
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#2596417 - 08/22/08 09:59 AM
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You guys are right, split tube designs are horrid. I read the cloudy nights review, what a nightmare! I could never haul that thing around, truss is the ONLY way to go.
You have to put the split tube design into context. It's not a horrid design, but it is becoming outdated in relationship to the newer cheaper truss scopes now available. When the split tubes were first introduced truss scopes were only available in the $4000-$5000 price range. A 16" LightBridge for less than $2000 wasn't even on the drawing boards. To get a 16" scope for under $2000 meant a solid tube design like the Meade Starfinder. Now those were true beasts. With the introduction of the split tubes, it began to be feasible to at least transport these large scopes in a van rather than in a truck.
It does make sense to me to go with a truss design for anything larger than 12.5", but in the smaller sizes a split tube design is still very workable. I can get my 10" split tube in my VW Golf with minimal effort. And the views are outstanding.
Patrick
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Brooklyn
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#2597031 - 08/22/08 04:42 PM
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You guys are right, split tube designs are horrid. I read the cloudy nights review, what a nightmare! I could never haul that thing around, truss is the ONLY way to go.
You have to put the split tube design into context. It's not a horrid design, but it is becoming outdated in relationship to the newer cheaper truss scopes now available. When the split tubes were first introduced truss scopes were only available in the $4000-$5000 price range. A 16" LightBridge for less than $2000 wasn't even on the drawing boards. To get a 16" scope for under $2000 meant a solid tube design like the Meade Starfinder. Now those were true beasts. With the introduction of the split tubes, it began to be feasible to at least transport these large scopes in a van rather than in a truck.
It does make sense to me to go with a truss design for anything larger than 12.5", but in the smaller sizes a split tube design is still very workable. I can get my 10" split tube in my VW Golf with minimal effort. And the views are outstanding.
Patrick
I couldn't agree more patrick. I was speaking in a sense of right now, right here terms. I understand that a split tube design is getting outdated by the trusses and it shows. The more compact you can make a telescope the better!
For myself though, I need a substantial boost in aperture to be buying a new scope. I wouldn't go from 8" to 12", no sir. To me only doubling the number would suffice. 16" minimum or maybe a 15" would work wonders for me. Then again, 18" has always been a dream of mine. Its not as huge as the 20", especially the UC.
I think as we progress through the years we should start seeing some VERY compact dobs...say a 18" F/5 that breaks down into a tiny space the size of the mirror box.
I am however one of those people who love to observe all night long. Its like a research project for me. The more i see the better i think, and the more i learn all the better. That being said, is it comfortable to be standing on a ladder the entire time you are observing?
It seems to me standing and balancing on that ladder might be even harder than standing on the ground! Which im not a fan of either.
I personally prefer SITTING, on an observers char like a denver. Owning a large dob, how can you sit and observe? Are there any special ladders with seats attached to them at the top?
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#2597069 - 08/22/08 05:00 PM
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A 50% increase in aperture (like 8 to 12") makes a big difference in observable detail. It's certainly a worthwhile jump. Of course a 100% increase is even better, as long as it meets your other requirements like cost, transportability etc. I know a number of very experienced observers who have had larger scopes in the past but are quite happy with 12-13" scopes now.
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#2597093 - 08/22/08 05:20 PM
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One of my observing buddies as a 25" Obsession and while I enjoy going over to his house to observe, you truly could not give it to me for free. It is way too big and complex for my comfort level - loads of wires etc., and the ladder is a killer. Now that doesn't mean it's not right for him, it's just that I am very content and delighted with my scope. I've finally finished tinkering with it and I think it's perfect (unless of course the accident a helpful relative caused last night has done more damage than I realize!) Maureen
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Brooklyn
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#2597199 - 08/22/08 06:26 PM
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I agree with you guys 100% portability is a very important factor to me, that is why i am considering getting an Ultra Compact perhaps 1-3 years from now.
Which do you think LOOKS and FEELS better in terms of overall build quality? The classic telescopes or the ultra compacts?
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#2597304 - 08/22/08 07:26 PM
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I think as we progress through the years we should start seeing some VERY compact dobs...say a 18" F/5 that breaks down into a tiny space the size of the mirror box.
Brooklyn-
If you really wanna see a Dob that's truly "light-in-the-loafers", check this one out! 
The height of a Dob's EP & a viewers personal comfort therewith hinge on MANY factors: Height, age, physical condition, observing style... we each need to make our own personal assesment. And a move THIS way on the subject creates a result THAT way on other parameters, like cost, size, bulk, expense, aperture... frequency of use... and overall enjoyment. Severe missteps are frequently listed publicly for all to see under the catagory "Dob for sale"! 
As a data point in the above, i'm 6'2, and can observe with my 15" 'Splitter flatfoot at zenith, no step. Additionally, i use an a VERY comfy adjustable chair that enables *seated* viewing up to about 75-80* altitude... the last 10-15* around zenith requires standing.
I'd guess the rig, fully assembled, weights ~90 lbs (could be more?), yet its components break down into ~30 lb chunks. Once assembled, it stays put. If a tree is in the way, look at something else for a while. Yeah, it has bolt-on wheelbarrow gizzies if ya want, but i don't use 'em.
A lighter, or ultra-lighter Dob may be obtainable, but many report issues with stability with them- seems a certain amount of inertia is desirable for use within the atmo, especially if you're wantin' to ramp up the power at times! So there'll be some point of diminishing returns on that subject. Its fersure my scope ain't there. 
mike b
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